hello, everyone, i'm chris jansing. call it discontent, dissatisfaction, disillusionment. a new nbc poll shows that the american voting public is tired of infighting and worried about the future. but there stiek of a stark political divide, it is united in opinions on state of our country and the people who lead it. a clear majority of voters wants investigation news donald trump to continue. and that may be tied to this stunning shift. the cost of living is no longer the top issue on voter's minds. it is the threat to our democracy. this poll also reveals several key things for us to watch moving forward. a record high 58% say america's best years are behind it and 61% are so upset, they're willing to carry a protest sign for a day. and here is a sample of signs. for democrats, it is women's

rights. prosecuting trump, equal rights, abortion rights. for republicans, impeaching biden, protecting our freedom and protecting the second amendment. but will the engagement translate to turnout? the poll also shows that for a nonpresidential year, people are paying an awful lot of attention when asked how interested they are in the november elections, on a scale of one to ten, 76% rated an 8, 9 or 10. and if that is sustained, it could mean a lot of folks heading to the polls. now, as for the critically important who they will vote for, no strong majority, but there is a fascinating shift we're seeing. joining me now to talk about all of this, nbc's shaquille brewster in florida ahead of tomorrow's primary. cornell belcher is a pollster at brilliant corners research and an msnbc political analyst. and steve kornacki is at the big board for us. and nbc correspondent sahil kapur is with me here on set in

new york. steve, let's start with where i left off. who they will vote for. we're see something pretty interesting revelations from this poll on both congressional preference and voter enthusiasm. what stands out to you. >> i think a couple of different ways to slice it here. start on the question here of the president's approval rating. joe biden at a 42% is a approval rating right now. last time we took a poll, this was back in may, he was also at 42%. so beginning of the summer toward the end of the summer, we've seen no real change in joe biden's approval rating. this one is key in terms of november. because historically the president's job approval rating is linked to how the party does in midterm elections. the only two presidents who saw their party gain seats in the midterm is bill clinton in '98 and george w. bush in 2002. each had an approval rating, clinton was near 70% on election day in 1998. bush was well into the 60s.

so biden's numbers are that zone where presidents and parties come in for a beating in midterm elections. when you ask this question, which party do you want to control congress, you see a competitive race here. we are 47, 45 for the republicans and pretty close to what we showed in may. a 46/46 tie. and here is where it gets interesting. if you look back at last two midterm elections where the republicans have big years, democratic presidents and big midterm years for republicans. in 2010 at this point, on the generic ballot, republicans were six points ahead. they had taken off. they were well on their way towards the 2010 landslide that ensued. that is not what we're seeing in polling right now. in 2014, which was another midterm year, barack obama was president, republicans did very well that year. at this point, it was actually the democrats who were ahead on average by about a point in the generic ballot.

so what republicans are hoping is that this is a repeat of 2014 and 2014 things broke late in their direction. late and decisively. what democrats are hoping is that things look somewhat like what they're looking at right now. but this enthusiasm gap, it used to be an enthusiasm gap, but right now these are the highest interest in the midterm elections, the ten-point scale, you ask spokes on a scale of one to ten, how interested are you in the election, folks said 9 or a 10. 66% of democrats said the same thing. look at where it was in may. it was an eight-point gap there in the republicans' favor and back in march it was a 17-point gap in republicans favor. so one of things that happened since may was the decision over turning roe v. wade. it has probably played a role here but democrats drawing very close on that enthusiasm gap.

in 2018 it ended one democrats are a three point advantage on this. right now republicans with a two-point advantage here right now. still some time to go. >> so fascinating. steve, thank you for that. cornell, we all know the conventional wisdom, with this much dissatisfaction, three quarters of the country, they say the country is headed in the wrong direction. the party this charge, in this case, the democrats would pay the price. but when you look at these numbers and you see how close they are, in some areas it does seem like there is a little bit of momentum toward the democrats. are voters looking at a more nuanced way, is this about abortion what do you see in these numbers, cornell? >> well, the numbers are lining up with numbers of other data we're seeing around the country and in congressional races. the ideal that, look, go back six or seven months ago, a lot of the signs when you look at enthusiasm and you look at the issue landscape, a lot of this was looking like for someone who

was ring side at 2010, it was looking like 2010. but when you look at the enthusiasm measure where it is now of those saying a ten on interest in voting now is now hirer than it was at this point in 2018. and understand, chris, in 2018 we had a higher turnout election than we've had in modern times for midterm. so it was a sort of dynamic shift in 2018. i think you're looking at potentially the second dynamic shift in a midterm where we're going to have a larger percent of americans voting in the midterm than what usually happens. and what happens in the midterms is if you look at 2010 and 20 14rks you look at older less diverse electorate, if you look at 2018, had you a younger more diverse electorate and democrats did really well. i'm not saying that democrats are going to break the historic mold here, but if you look at

that dynamic shaping up, it is not shaping up to be a republican digress like you saw in 2010. >> if you consider early voting, it is coming sooner. how much of a shift could take place in three months and what are you raching for in the next couple of months, cornell? >> well, you know, a month is forever in politics, right. so, the dynamics could shift very quickly. but i'm looking at the interest, especially of younger voters and voters of color, because that is where democrats have the hardest sort of turnout issues with younger voters. and millennials, gen z, when they turn out in large numbers, they're a larger voting block now, boomers, that we pay attention to boomers, but plinls -- millennials are a larger voting block. if they turn out, they change the dynamics.

and i can't overemphasize this, is this the issue landscape, for the last couple of months, we've talked about the economy and inflation and inflation, inflation, now threats against democracy is the top issue and that is a very different issue dynamic than benefits democrats and actually hurts republicans. so there is a lot of little things here that said this is not going to be a republican wave election. but, chris, three months is a long way to go. >> okay. well, i was stunned, sahil, to see that number, and that it wasn't the economy, that it was inflation and it was about democracy. but the newly climate health tax bill. 42% say it is a good idea and no opinion 26% if you're in the democratic party you could see maybe and see opportunity. >> democrats are seeing this saz an opportunity to try to stir up

enthusiasm within their base. their touting the drug pricing provisions to reach out to older voters who are or medicare who will see a benefit out of this. it will be very popular. they're touting the climate change provisions. the biggest investment to reach out to democratic and younger voters who have a tendency to sleep through the midterm elections an our polls show opportunities and challenges for democrats with regard to this bill, the 42-31 number is more popular than unpopular. the 26% having no opinion, that is extraordinary. 26% of the country giving a big shrug to president biden's achievement. that is a battle between democrats and republicans to reach out to those voters and to motivate them accordingly. as far as republicans go, they're zeroing in on the irs funding, trying to scare americans into thinking that a bigger irs is going to be coming through their tax returns and the biden administration and the treasury secretary yellen have done everything they can to -- >> teams of tax spies coming to

find you. >> auditors and there is that. and then our follow up question was notable. a plurality of americans don't believe this bill will have a big impact on their lives. there is a entrenched skepticism about government helping them. >> and so shaq, you're in florida and they have the prooirmt tomorrow which will decide which democrat will take on ron desantis. give us the lay of the land. >> this is a race that is contentious and the dynamics have shifted when you compare it to a couple of months ago. you have charlie crist, a democrat representative, here in florida, but former republican governor of this state. his pitch to voters has been, hey, i've done the job before, and coy win over moderate republicans, i could win over independents and in this race to take on ron desantis. and then you have nicki fried. she's the agricultural commissioner saying she's the only democrat in florida and

believes she could turn out the base and win over suburban women which have helped women in the past. so it has gotten extremely con -- contentious. and they say they're going into the election with a lot of confidence. listen here. >> i really feel good, confident but not complacent. that is why i'm out here sweating like a dog get every vote we could do get. >> we feel the momentum. and democrats are look for somebody new and something new and somebody who is ready to take on ron desantis. >> reporter: now both of the candidates here said that the abortion issue has shifted not only this race but how they look at things in the general election. nicki fried because of conservative overreach in the state of abortion and for charlie crist he believes it will help democrats out in the midterm elections. we'll wait to see what happens

tomorrow when we see those votes after this primary. >> get out from the heat. maybe go have some black beans and rice in that restaurant. because that is one of my favorite places to go in florida. i'm a little bit jealous. not of the heat but of the food you're about to have. thank you for that. so cornell, food aside and just looking at that sign, i'm hungry. this is i think the critical question, if democrats have some momentum going into the midterms, you still have to have the candidates to meet the moment. and there are skeptics who have said they don't know whether they have a democrat who could do that in florida. how do you think that florida race is going to shape up? >> well, i think it is going to shape up by turnout. if you look at the last governor's race in florida, it was actually a really close race. but you also had in that race, in florida's it is an interest place because all of the dynamic changes demographic changes across the country, it is ground

zero for that in florida where you have such a diverse application, but you also have our older americans that love to go to florida and retire. so you also have an electorate that is growing older. so the battle ground between this older less diverse electorate and the younger is all front and center and ultimately it is what kind of electorate will you have in florida. will you have an electorate where democrats could compete for the hispanic and latino voters and turn out young and african american voters. >> steve, i want to go back to the protest signs and i'm looking at them and three of the top responses suggest abortion restrictions are a major factor for voters, right? >> yeah. you could take a look here, this is the list here overall. a you've shown this of what is the top issues voters say are facing the country. and you see abortion down in

sixth place here on list. break this down by party and ask democrats what they think the top issue facing the country is, they say threats to democracy is their number one issue. but their second choice issue there in terms of being most pressing for the country is abortion. now look at the republican side, ask the same question to republicans. they say 30% nearly one in three say it is the border, it is immigration top issue. only 2% of democrats think that. and only 3% of republicans say it is the issue of abortion. so when you look at that question, of the enthusiasm gap, tightening since our last poll in may and we've gotten a little bit of indication in some of the turnout we've seen in some blases, the idea that some democratic voters and democratic-leaning voters have been galvanized around abortion, i think this number really potentially speaks to that by a 5-1 margin, the people who are

saying abortion is the top issue facing the country are democrats an not republicans. >> so interesting, steve, thank you so much. s save -- thank you so much. >> and dr. fauci has led the country medically through the coronavirus pandemic and the president said in a statement many lives have been saved because of him. in addition to stepping down as director of the national institute of allergy and infectious diseases he will retire as chief medical adviser to president biden. as to his next chapter at age 81, he told "the new york times" he plans to travel and write and he hopes inspire the younger generation to enter government service into a special request, what trump's attorneys want after the search of mar-a-lago. plus senator lindsey graham gets out of having to testify before

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former president donald trump's attorneys are saying they plan to ask for a third party, a court official known as a special mast tore review what was taken by the fbi during the mar-a-lago search. the trump lawyers argue that the fourth amendment rowe protects from unreasonable searches and seizures. >> one of the benefits of the special master, if the master agreed, is we could stop doj in their tracks when it comes to inspecting these documents. >> well in a new written order this morning, the magistrate judge overseeing the case who last week said he was inclined to unseal some of that affidavit, today acknowledged it could be so heavily redacted

that releasing it would be meaningless. this follows an appeals court giving ruling to give lindsey graham a reprieve, putting a hold on what would have been tomorrow's testimony before a georgia grand jury. looking at efforts to overturn the 2020 election. let's talk about it with glenn kirshner, a former federal prosecutor and analyst and carol leonnig and an msnbc contributor. so, glenn, the ruling on graham is being called a temporary pause. but what is temporary mean? i mean, days, weeks, months? >> yeah, temporary and i would add curious. this is a tough one to unpack, chris. because in two minutes or less, procedurally what happened is bonnie willis, subpoenaed lindsey graham to the grand jury, lindsey graham doesn't want to testify about donald trump's potential georgia state election crimes so he filed a motion to quash or invalidate

the entire subpoena and he said he has a privilege and he shouldn't have to testify and the judge may denied that and said no, there are hundreds of questions that the prosecutors could ask that have nothing to do with your potential speech and debate clause protections. lindsey graham appealed it to the 11th circuit and they kicked it back to judge may and said, judge may, try to figure out on a question by question basis what lindsey graham might have speech and debate protection to and what questions he wouldn't have that protection to. and that is really curious because that is not how any of this works. ordinarily, the witness appears in the grand jury and answers all of the questions that do not conjure up any priv ling speech or debate or attorney/client or his self-incrimination and then he invoked it on a question by question basis if he has a good faith basis to vote it. that is a procedural mouthful to

unpack but now judge may has a really difficult job ahead of her because of this unorthodox way the appellate court is asking her to proceed and it is anybody's guess how she will do it and what her time frame will be. >> and carol, at the hear of this is grant's conversation with brad raffensperger, remind us how these could fit into the big picture? >> well there are two big ways that this is significant. one is lindsey graham political is very much still aligned with former president trump. and has viewed him as almost a shield for getting re-elected and also for helping other republicans and continuing republican control of other houses of congress or getting control of them. he's viewed donald trump as a important part of that effort and campaign. but lindsey graham has his own exposure here. he made calls to republican

officials and state officials in georgia to ask about the same thing that donald trump was seeking to -- to press at the end of 2020. and that was, hey, isn't the election result in georgia in question. isn't it possible that there is fraud here as donald trump said in one call to the secretary of state. you know, just find me x number of votes, which was the difference between him winning and losing. now, lindsey graham made some calls on donald trump's behalf and he has to answer for what he was doing, what was his motive and what led him to make these calls and ultimately once he answers some of those questions where he has his own exposure, i know doubt believe he'll be asked as well what about donald trump. what did you and donald trump discuss? what did donald trump ask you to do? what was his motive, what was his goal, what was his hope and what did he convey to you?

and that is really important for the georgia investigation, determining motive, intent and goal. what was said behind the scenes and lindsey graham can unlock some of that secret. >> without a doubt. and glenn, meantime, you have an evolving series of explanations for why donald trump would take classified documents to mar-a-lago. let me play a few. >> i still haven't seen any evidence that he was even asked to give these documents back. >> do any of us believe that donald trump is reading his nuclear secrets on the bedside at night. >> what purpose could he have for top secret information once he left office. why bring it home to florida? >> i don't know. i mean you have to ask him. but certainly we all know that every former president has access to their documents, it is how they write their memoirs. >> glenn, from a legal standpoint, does any of that ring true? >> no. and the time to make those

arguments is when there is a prosecution up and running and the defense has its opportunity to argue to a jury all of those, i think it is fair to characterize them as really weak arguments. the fact of the matter is, these records should not have been removed from the white house and whisked away to donald trump's florida home. even just taking them, whether they were classified or not, violates any number of federalutes. so make these time to make a argument will be to a jury and i suspect a jury will find them no more compelling than we find them when we listen to them. >> carol and glenn you'll be back later on in the hour. political and legal battles across the country over abortion rights. one state fighting the doj in a lawsuit as other one takes on its own biggest city over enforcement. we have all of that, next. enfor. we have all of that, next.

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onslaught continues across the country in every level, including in louisiana where new orleans police are being investigate abortions but not investigate the ban. let's bring in ken dilanian and i understand the hearing in the case has concluded. do we have a sense about what the judge might do? >> chris, based on remarks the judge made, appears to side with the justice department when he expressed concerns that a near total ban set to take effect on thursday would contradict federal law by preventing doctors to provide emergency care because of prergs complications. this idaho low is against any doctor even as a life saving treatment and the appointee of bill clinton appeared to agree. he suggested it would be a rare situation where a doctor is willing or anxious to push the

limits and go right up to the edge of what is allowed under the idaho statute. the issue is the supremacy clause. whether a federal law that requires emergency medicine trumps a state law which is a draconian ban on abortion, the justice department is asking this judge to block this law temporarily and then also rule that it is unconstitutional and the judge said that he will rule by the end of wednesday, chris. >> so coming soon. and sam, you're covering louisiana abortion law and you write this, quote, new orleans police officers have been directed to not issue summons or make arrests for violations of louisiana strict abortion ban. but officers are required to investigate alleged abortions and write up reports on them regardless of whether they taken -- take enforcement action. and so how would that policy work. >> thank you, chris, the city council in new orleans passed a

resolution in early july that said they didn't want nopd to do any enforcement or any investigation of abortions because, you know, the politics and in new orleans, it is a democratic-led city and these folks are pro-abortion rights, so those passed this directing nopd not to investigate at all. what happened was the same day the nopd came out with their policy which was written before hand that said we won't arrest anyone or issue summons but require officers to investigate every abortion that comes our way and the policy will refer many cases to the sex crimes unit. and so what is happened aafter we reported on the policy which was previously unknown, the city council, a couple of members became furious with nopd and had the police chief come before a committee hearing and they demanded that they change the policy and essentially delete

that section about having officers investigate abortions. >> so, i just want to make sure that i understand. the state's law targets people who perform abortions but exempts women who have abortions from prosecution. all incidents related to the abortion ban shall be investmented by the sex crimes or sexual abuse unit and officers responding to calls shall notify the sex crimes or child abuse unit. so do we know what the impact of this back and forth is going to be? >> right. so we're kind of in a legal new territory legally because the ban was only recently put in place. i don't think we've seen how this policy might play out. and it may end up getting deleted. but one things that abortion rights activists have worried about with this policy, while the law does exempt the women who gets an abortion from

prosecution, it may be very intrusive and it is very private and sometimes you have to go through an abortion and they don't want women to be investigated and probed and ask questions by police which this policy by nopd raises the specter of. >> we're going to continue to follow this. i hope you'll come back on. thank you for the latest on the case as well. millions livering in drought stricken texas are now under a flash flood threat, heavy rain is covering highways there. leaving some drivers stranded. the strong warning from the weather service to stay home. plus a monkeypox health emergency. some people are getting their second dose of the vaccine but others are being told no. why the confusion and why the disparity. e disparity.

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drench the southwest. look at these pictures. in utah, the search is on for a missing woman after flash flooded hit zion national park and then this downtown dallas, first responders rescued stranded passengers fighting to stay afloat in those floodwaters. heavy rains left some cars almost completely submerged on interstate 30. and nbc's jay gray is live from dallas for us. what kind of conditions are people dealing with right now, jay? >> reporter: chris, you just talked about the stranded cars. take a look down this roadway and you could see several that were stranded in high watts there. as you come back up, you could see some being loaded on to a tow truck. these neighbors say were pushed up into that area. and i want to give you an idea of the personal side of all of this. i'm going to take you inside one of the homes here and i want you to get a firsthand look at what the water did. it apparently happened just after midnight and the water came rushing in.

and you could see what it has left behind here. it took everything in its path. dumping everything everywhere. look at the water line here. how fast the water came up and how high it came up inside of this home. the homeowner here, riggo perez, was taken by surprise. the water just started pouring in. he started doing everything he could, to save what he could. the family photos here and the water kept climbing he to move to an upper level of this home and wait until things kind of subsided. now waiting for the rain to stop before he could begin the clean-up in earnest here. but coy tell you, the rain is not going to stop for several hours and that is going to be a big problem for so many areas here, chris, that are dealing with situations like this. >> what a mess. jay gray, thank you so much for that. you stay safe out there. let's talk now about the fight against the monkeypox outbreak. because hhs is set to release

1.8 million doses of the monkeypox vaccine today stepping up delivery as cases climb. in los angeles county, cases have doubled in two weeks. in new york, they've got their first case of monkeypox in a person under 18. joining us now with more on all of this is dr. ebony hilton from critical care medicine from the university of virginia and she's an msnbc medical contributor. good to see you, doctor. let's talk about the kind of dent that 1.8 million doses could make in the effort to protect people against monkeypox. >> right. it is unfortunate that we are in a situation where we have a great demand and limited supply. we know over the last two weeks we've literally doubled our cases in the united states of america up to 14,000 at this point. and the question is, are those vaccines going to the most vulnerable persons? when you talk about l.a. county, we know that we unfortunately have outbreaks within jail systems and homeless shelters.

those populations are high risk. but we also see across our nation in new york city and in georgia for instance, we're seeing that there is a lock of equity. we're not seeing the most vulnerable communities getting the access to the vaccines first and when the most vulnerable are not targeted first for interventions, all of us will suffer. we have to take care of those that are most at risk. >> well, look, we have this release coming, as new yorkers are reaching that four-week time frame for the second dose with absolutely no word from the city on how soon they could get the vaccine to make the appointments. what do you tell the patients who frankly are nervous because they're waiting for their second dose and it is time? >> right. you know, it is going to be one of those moves where we have to make real life decisions in realtime. unfortunately we do have that shortage and we tried to make some adjustments by doing intra

muscular injections so do a lower dose and have still the same efficacy. that only gets us so far. we know it takes weeks before we could have bottling of vaccines made available for distribution within the united states. and so the majority of americans don't expect to be vaccinated before 2023. so what does that mean? that means we have to target first the most vulnerable communities, make sure those individuals get access to that vaccine now, and especially if they've had exposure to monkeypox at this point and that way we could mitigate the spread. that is the same concept with covid-19 back in 2020. >> there is also news on the covid front this morning, pfizer and buy on tech asking for a new covid booster shoot for the ba.5 subvariant for those eligible for another booster. should they get it now or wait for the new formula to be approved, what is your best advice? >> right. i think we need to follow the science and would you love to see the data on what are the

outcomes now with the current population that we have, with covid 19 exposures. the question is, not necessarily the technology that is going to be able to keep up. my question is will the population be welcoming of that. at this point only 33 -- 37% of americans have received a booster shot. we've been stagnant at two doses at 67% in america for months now. what will we do moving forward, will people buy in this idea that we're following science and understand it is those intervention keep people alive because we're saving people from covid today and that doesn't have to be the case. we could get vaccinated and boosted and wear the masks to help prevent infection in the first place. >> i know there are people that are waiting for this, they wanted to make sure they were protected against the ba.5. once that is available, would you recommend if they've been waiting for the booster to go get it. >> i most certainly would.

we have to understand that until we stop this telephone game of viruses going from person-to-person to person, every time it goes to another person, it wants to make sure that it could stay alive. so what does it do? it slightly changes itself. which is where we get the variants. the more people we get vaccinated to interrupt that telephone game, the more likely we will be get closer to not having another variant that makes ba.4 and 5 looks like child play. we know we get a surge every july and higher surge every november. so getting boosters before we head into fall which will what keeps us from burying 4,000 people a day like we have in the previous years before us. and with schools opening back up, getting the children vaccinated, getting them boosted if they have not been at this point and try to mitigate the spread again in 2022. >> dr. ebony hilton, thank you so much. good to see you. mounting fears of possible

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officers were wearing body cameras. governor asa hutchinson also has a press conference to talk about this incident in the next hour. here is more from news correspondent blaine alexander. >> reporter: it is the shocking video that has been viewed millions of times. arkansas state police are investigating a violence arrest caught on camera. the video appears to show them pinning a man down during an altercation and repeatedly punching and kneeing him to the head and body. and at one point one of the officers appears to slam the man's head into the ground multiple times. the incident took place sunday morning outside of a convenience store. at the end of the videos are one of the officers appears to point at the camera. throughout the day police had been on the lookout for the suspect, identified as 27-year-old randall warster of

south carolina after he allegedly spit on a store clerk and made what officers called terroristic threats. he was quickly transported to an area hospital and was later released and taken into custody. his condition is unclear. he is now facing a slew of charge, including battery, resisting arrest and refusal to smith. all three officers involved have been suspended. the crawford county sheriff says in part, i hold all my employees accountable for their actions and will take appropriate measures in this matter. a state from mullbury police says the department will take the appropriate actions at the conclusion of the investigation. >> that was nbc's blaine alexander. with me is nbc news news analyst blaine kirshner. we don't know what happened leading up to this but there were three officers, one man on the ground. what goes through your mind in a

legal sense as you're watching that video in. >> what goes through my mind, chris, is this appears to be horrific, excessive force. yes, it would be wonderful if we had wall-to-wall video coverage, courtesy of body cameras, surveillance cameras or concerned citizens pulling out their cell phone and reporting what was going on there but you know what? there are some things that speak for themselves and this video sure seems to speak for itself on the excessive force front. the next question that i have is, you know, not only what will the local authorities do, the arkansas state police reportedly will be investigating, but will the department of justice continue to sort of reach out on the civil rights front and engage in the kind of aggressive investigations of civil rights abuses that we saw them engage in when police officers murdered

george floyd and civilians murdered ahmad arbery? i think the department of justice will have to decide whether there is something here they need to weigh in on. >> at least there's a start. we just heard from the crawford county sheriff, jimmy demonte, who said just moments ago, this is being investigated as a criminal act and, as you pointed out, has been referred to the state police. no body cam video. i don't know what the law is in that state. i don't know whether or not they were supposed to have body cameras on, but again, you have somebody there who clearly showed what was going on. you saw that one of the officers was pointing to the camera. what are the first things that the state police will do in terms of an investigation? >> well, the first thing they have to do, chris, is make sure that whatever team they put in charge of this investigation is completely conflict free. because a police department when

they are investigating their own regarding potential excessive force incidents, you know, they generally can't -- i don't want to say they can't be trusted, but that is not the kind of investigation that instills public confidence. and, again, i don't think the federal government or the department of justice is necessarily the cure all all the time, but i have been heartened that merrick garland's d.o.j. has opened multiple pattern or practice of investigations of police departments in phoenix, in louisville, in minneapolis when there seem to be a systemic problem. maybe that is also try of arkansas. hopefully it will be a conflict-free investigation. >> that's going to do it for us this hour. make sure to join us for "chris jansing reports" right here on msnbc. don't go anywhere.

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