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♪ ♪ we've got some breaking news as we come on the air. the governor of arkansas speaking for the first time about that viral video showing police officers appearing to repeatedly beat a suspect during an arrest. those cops, now temporarily off the job. we're alive in the town where it happened and what the governor and local officials are saying this hour. also, the countdown to election day in key races, with democrats are pitted against each other. while the republican governor the dems most like to unseat is about to meet his match.
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plus, from dribbling to diplomat? our nbc news reporting on the basketball power house now getting involved in brittney griner's case. and why one white house official is telling us he's more likely to hurt than help. i'm hallie jackson in washington. we'll start this hour with those new developments out of arkansas. just in the last few minutes, you watched it untold live here. a video appeared to show three offers making an arrest, violently. the video, we're about to show, is disturbing. you can see the officers basically pummeling the suspect's face and body, smashing his head while he's being restrained. it's not clear what happened before this recording. officials said the man was being arrested on trespassing and other crimes. the three officers have been suspended while this is being investigated. that's the only time we will show you the video. let's bring in priscilla thompson in arkansas, and charles coleman, civil rights
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attorney and msnbc legal analyst. we just heard from the governor there, describing this as reprehensible conduct in his words, saying there needs to be an investigation, that this does not comply with what law enforcement learns when they go to the academy to become a police officer. >> yeah, hallie. that message is being echoed by other officials here, as well. we heard the mayor of mulberry releasing a statement calling what he saw sickening. the sheriff's department here in crawford county saying it's very concerning behavior, as you mentioned, all three of these officers have now been suspended, pending this investigation that is going to be led by state police with the governor saying that once that investigation is complete, it will be turned over to a prosecuting attorney who will determine if there were any use of force violations here. i want to give you a sense of how law enforcement officials are talking about this. take a listen to what the
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sheriff said a little while ago. >> nobody condones this type of activity or this kind of violence. it's not what we stand for. i said that, and that's what i stand on. so yes, as a whole department, it is not a good thing and morale does go down. >> reporter: and so officials here reacting very quickly to condemn this behavior. but also saying there will be an investigation where we expect to learn more. i did have an opportunity to ask the man seen pinned down in that video, 27-year-old randall worcester, about what he would like to see happen to those officers. he was unable to answer that question, still stunned, unable to talk about how he was feeling after all this, and we saw visibly the scratches on his face.
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he also has a swollen ear. so a lot going on for him right now, and also a lot going on as officials work to investigate this. but interestingly enough, when i spoke to his attorney, something that she mentioned is that one of the officers seen in that video, she had requested a use of force investigation into that officer about a month ago. yet that officer was still able to be out and obviously this happened. i think that is something that we may hear and learn more about as this investigation goes on, and we learn more about these officers' records. we know that at least one officer, the mulberry police officer, has been identified as someone who has been on the force since 2017. hallie? >> priscilla thompson live for us there in arkansas. thank you. charles, let me turn to you and these questions being raised of police use of force. we learned from the governor this is also a federal investigation, he says doj, civil rights. what does that tell you about the level of seriousness here
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outside of the state of arkansas? >> hallie, i think it underscores the notion that kristen clark and the civil rights division at the justice department is taking their responsibility very seriously to examine, probe, and explore the issue of hiss use of force, as well as toxic police culture in america. i think that it's something that we should be applauding and thankful for, because were it not for this justice department's civil rights division, it remains unseen as to whether this type of case would get the attention that we already see that it's getting. but i was to underscore another point, hallie. this was fortunate that it was caught on video. again, i cannot stress -- >> i know. >> right, for viewers to understand that this is something that occurs far too frequently. and if there is no ocular evidence, these cases often times go ignored, and we have to stop that. i know that it's almost sort of objective to say, well, we haven't seen the video in its entirety and we need to wait for
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all of the facts. but at the same time, i can tell you, as a former prosecutor, as a civil rights attorney, we cannot get away from common sense. if you look at that video, there is literally no justification possible for the amount of force that is being used at the time that we begin to sew this -- see this video, particularly if you look at the blows that are going to this individual's face and head. even if these officers maintain that they were trying to detain him or neutralize what they perceive to be a threat, it is counterintuitive and goes against common sense that you would continue to strike him in the ways that you are at the head, simply because we all know if you're enduring blows to the head, your natural reflex is going to be to raise your hands. so if you're trying to get someone to lower your hands so you can detain them and put on cuffs, hitting them in the head is not going to do that. so the repeated punching and kicking and where they did it, clearly suggests in a very
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strong, i won't say conclusive, but an extremely strong way, particularly if you think about it with common sense, that this is excessive force and another example of toxicity within american policing. >> charles, you under the play book here. if legal action were to be brought here, what would the defense be in the officer's instance? >> whatever the story is prior to what we see on the video. they're going to say that this individual continued to struggle with them, despite the fact that he was given orders to not -- to comply, that he wasn't complying, that they were trying to detain him. of course, i don't necessarily know that is going to be a viable defense. in addition to the fact that we already heard some reports that this individual allegedly attacked one of the officers prior to what we see on the video taking place. nevertheless, the question is going to become in a court of law, whether the force we see being used in this video in totality, given all of the circumstances, was necessary to
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affect the arrest of this individual. and i strongly predict, hallie, that is going to be a resounding no, it is not. >> charles coleman, thank you so much for your perspective and analysis. and our thanks to priscilla thompson, as well. we'll stay on top of this story. we also want to get on top of the march to the midterms. in the final sprint now today to a bunch of primaries pitting some of the most well known democrats against each other. and nbc polling showing why 2022's midterms may not look anything like previous ones. i want to bring in shaq brewster who is live in florida. our reporter in new york, and mark murray is with us, as well. shaq, lay the ground work as to what we are watching in florida on tuesday, because there are some marquee names that folks are looking at here. >> reporter: exactly, hallie. many primaries you'll be seeing take place here in florida. but the one that's getting the
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most attention, you're seeing a lot of money being spent on is that race for democrats to determine who is going to take on florida governor ron desantis. he's a governor who is popular in this state, approval ratings above 50%. he's built a $130 million war chest to take on whoever the democrats nominate. you have both of the candidates framing their final pitches to votes around ron desantis, saying that they are each the biggest candidate or the best, the strongest candidate to go ahead and take on ron desantis. listen to a little bit of that closing message that they told me during our conversations earlier today and yesterday. >> we feel the momentum is without a doubt on our side. that democrats all over florida are looking for somebody new, something new, and somebody who is ready to take on ron desantis. i have been in those trenches. >> we've got to beat ron desantis. i can beat him.
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i've been the governor, the attorney general. that's the difference. electability and experience. >> reporter: both of those candidates telling me something that fundamentally shifted this race is the overturning of roe, and also the 15-week abortion ban here in florida. they're saying that is something that will help bring over moderate and independent voters into the democratic party fold. it's not just that race, hallie, but you have the race, the primary to take on senator marco rubio. there it's less of a competitive race. we pretty much it will likely be congresswoman demings in november. the polling we have been seeing shows a close race. so it will be close for the general election, but it looks like val demings has a lock. >> in new york, redirecting has created uncertainty. you look at carolyn maloney,
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jerry nadler. start us off with how you see this playing out, at least over the next 24 hours as we get ready for voters to go to the polls. >> reporter: it's been chaotic. new york's new congressional map has created clashes with democrats being fought over idealology and the referendum on the party's leadership. the primary right here in manhattan that pits two powerful house committee chairs against each other in a new blended district. that is jerry nadler versus carolyn maloney, the chair of the overnight committee. they were both elected in 1992 and have risen to prominent positions. in this new map, only one can advance to the general election. one of them will have to leave congress. then just south of here in lower manhattan, congressman jones is fighting to hold on and win a second term in a new district, facing a crowded field of candidates. one of which is dan goldman. he's a wealthy attorney who is
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an adviser to democrats during the first impeachment of former president trump. interestingly, trump has tried to meddle in this race by issuing a backhanded endorsement of dan goldman. goldman tried to use this to his advantage, calling it an obvious effort to sway the election and prevent him from going back to dock. and in westchester county, congressman maloney, who is the chair of the democrats house campaign arm is facing a challenge from state senator biaggi, who has the backing of congresswoman ocasio cortez. now, i talked to mr. maloney just in the last hour. he's feeling good about that race and he's not taking
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anything for grant it. but after all the dust is settles, they want to focus on beating republicans this fall. >> thank you so much. mark murray, i know you're interested in new york too, because you see this and this race between patriaian, the democrat, who has largely made abortion rights, versus mark molinaro who has made inflation as the key points. >> particularly in this swing district, new york 19 encompassing the hudson river valley, just a little bit north of new york city, and what is interesting here is that this is a district that barack obama ended up winning twice, that donald trump won in 2016. and then joe biden was able to win in 2020. almost kind of like the perfect type of swing district for us to follow. now, sometimes in midterm
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environments, you have the political winds, moving where even kind of red districts can break through or blue districts can break red. and we're gauging to see tomorrow whether in this almost kind of perfect type of environment, which message carries more, abortion or the cost of living. and it's going to be fascinating to see which one comes out on top. >> let's talk about some of the new nbc news polling. more democrats are interested in how the midterms play out, the enthusiasm gap. democrats have closed it to a large degree, and in a way that is different from what we have seen before for the party out of power. republicans are perhaps not sitting on quite as much of a lead as they might like when it comes to that enthusiasm gap. explain that. >> one of the reasons the party out of power usually makes gains against the party in control, is the party in control of government, the votes aren't as
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enthusiastic. that somehow being in the opposition is a greater motivating force to vote than being the party of power, the party that's passing laws, having to defend changing the status quo. but what's happened in our poll is that republicans ended up enjoying a 17-point advantage on enthusiasm and high level of interest in our poll back in march. now that's down to two points. and it comes after the supreme court's overturning the roe v. wade decision, which our pollsters say has really fired up democrats. we now have a situation where democrats are running nearly even with republicans on enthusiasm, which doesn't look like a formula for past midterm cycles. >> our poll also shows that threats to democracy is what voters say is the top issue facing our country right now, overtaking concerns about the cost of living. mitch mcconnell was just asked
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about this, what he thinks about the results of that polling down in kentucky. i want to may what he had to say. >> we saw between the november 3rd and january 20th changing of one administration to another, there were those who were trying to prevent the orderly transfer of power for the first time in american history. that was not good. it was thwarted, and i guess that's had some impact on the poll that you referred to. but look, we have a very solid democracy. >> he goes on to say our democracy is solid, and he wouldn't be worried about that one, mark. >> yeah, the fact that threats to democracy, and it's worth pointing out, this is the first time we have asked that category in our -- what is your most important issue for the country to face, that popped to be number one in our poll, followed behind cost of living and the economy.
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republicans want this election season to be all about the cost of living and the economy. democrats have been going between threats of democracy, abortion, guns. but the fact that this issue popped over the cost of living, at least in this one poll, does show you just another example of how democrats are closing the enthusiasm gap. >> good to see you all. i'm sure we'll talk again tomorrow on election day. appreciate it. we're following breaking news out of atlanta, where police are responding to an active shooter situation in midtown. this is video here, right in the middle of downtown. three people have been shot, according to the information that we have at least preliminarily. the shooter is not in custody, so obviously you have a lot of officers out searching for the suspect. we'll keep an eye on this and bring you any updates as we get them. a federal judge expressing concern now about idaho's near
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total ban on abortion. how this case might affect abortion laws across the country. also at this hour, we're live in new york city where people are waiting to get their second shots of the monkeypox vaccine. plus, the dow down nearly 2%, falling some 600 points today. 200 points just since we got on the air. we'll tell you what's going on, coming up. coming up. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ a pool floatie is like whooping cough, it's not just for kids. whooping cough is highly contagious for people of any age.
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dr. anthony fauci making it officially official today, after serving more than 50 years and seven presidents, leaving the white house. announcing today he's stepping down as head of the national institute of allergy and infectious diseases and as chief medical adviser to joe biden come december. we've seen him in a fixture to the response to covid. we've been around for a long time. he says "while i'm moving on from my current positions, i'm not retiring." it comes as there is other
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pandemic related news, including pfizer asking the fda to authorize a new version of its covid booster designed to target the ba.5 omicron subvariant. i want to bring in dr. natalie azar. how significant is this news with pfizer, and should we be rushing out to get the updated pfizer booster? >> let me go to the second part of that question first, hallie. i've really tried to make a consistent point over the last number of weeks that. is there is not going to be a one size fits all recommendation for this. there are individuals, you know, patients of mine right now, who i have encouraged to get their second booster now and not wait, because i'm really concerned about them getting infected. remember, this updated vaccine is going to protect against infection, and presumably and hopefully against transmission. but protection against severe disease has been sustained with the original vaccine. so i think as time grows nearer,
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as we see more data, because right now we have, again, a press release that the updated vaccine generated a good antibody response in animals. we don't have human data yet. so now to the first part, this is great. we want to see that. and the fda has already said they're not going to require lengthy clinical trials with their updated vaccines. think about flu every year. we change to adapt new strains. i'm not concerned about its safety or efficacy. we just don't have that solid data yet. but if you potentially is a candidate for a booster, talk to your doc and see if you should wait or get it now. >> for many, many months now, at the start of the pandemic and really, you know, as i think things continued to be bad here in this country, dr. fauci was the face of the administration's pandemic response. i remember being in those briefings. he was out doing a lot of media around this. he's been around a while, his work on hiv and aids, et cetera. what does this mean for the broader medical attorney? we knew this was coming and he wouldn't be around forever.
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he was one moment kind of a cultural -- there were fauci bobbleheads, fauci pouchy drinks you could buy here in washington. he was vilified by some on the right for being overly political, they said. >> uh-huh. you know, it's a little bittersweet, honestly. i think for a lot of generations of physicians, including myself, we were so positively influenced by him. he was such an amazing role model, both as just, you know, a civil servant, as well as a career scientist. you mentioned hiv/aids. i was a resident in the '90s as nyu, and we had our, you know, aids floor at bellevue. you know, it was -- it was almost like living on the covid wards, although it was extended for years and years and years. he was always the person giving such sage advice and consistent data driven guidance to all of
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us. just as a point, because it's just interesting, he was the one who essentially founded one of the really, you know, disease altering treatments for a condition called vasculitis. so for me, i always looked to him as sort of this unbelievable mentor, if you will, to the health care masses, and, you know, to your point, what he's had to go through over the last, you know, couple of years, it's painful to watch because, you know, in his words, i hear such a sincerity, you know, and altruism. that's how i'm going to remember him. but he said, you know, his career is not over. he's opening up yet another chapter and will continue to provide guidance and a vision for all the people under him who are looking to him, you know, as
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they further their own careers. >> thank you so much. appreciate you being with us. new developments this afternoon out of idaho, where a federal judge seems somewhat likely, showing their hands, seeming likely to side with the doj and block a near total ban on abortions in idaho set to take effect later this week. it would criminalize all abortions in that state with exceptions for rape, incest and to save the life of the mother. the judge is on a tight schedule, saying he'll issue an order by wednesday. the ban is set to go into effect by thursday. i want to bring in danny cevallos. the judge seems inclined to side with the biden administration and grant this temporary pause on this law. >> the judge is say thing is not about dobbs. that part is settled law. but instead, the biden administration is arguing that federal law requires hospitals that accept medicare funds to
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provide medically necessary treatment to save a life. those are all magical legal words that have their own meaning. but the bottom line of this argument is that the government is arguing that sometimes abortion is medically necessary treatment in order to stabilize someone and denying that or outlawing that would run contra to federal law. when state law comes smack into conflict with federal law, under the constitution supremacy clause, usually the federal law prevails. and the state law can be struck down. so this is a case where the government is asking for an injunction, and it seems likely the judge might grant it. >> danny, thank you. we'll watch that one. up next, it's looking like this would be wall street's worst stay since june. why? we'll explain, coming up. and how little we may see
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so we are just a little bit under 30 minutes away from the
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closing bell, and the dow has tanked, on track to have its worst day since june, wiping out what seemed to be a little bit of a summer swing back, if you will. you can see down 670 points, just about 2%. so what is up? why is this happening? >> hallie, wall street is responding to the latest retail earnings that have painted a somewhat concerning picture around the health of the u.s. consumer at a time when the housing data continues to get worse. that will be a key focal point this week. we have new home sales tomorrow morning at 7:00 a.m. then pending home sales data, which will come right after. remember, interest rates, we've seen a slowdown in the number of homes purchased across the u.s. over the past two to three months. that has scared home builders, and it could have a ripple effect on the construction industry. and the other focal point is this discussion around jackson hole, which is later this week, where fed speakers across the
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u.s. will convene and discuss the path to higher interest rates. there is some trepidation on what fed chair jerome powell could say on friday. will he spook the markets and say interest rates will rise faster than expected in late september? hallie? >> nobody can predict the future, but you mentioned a couple of things we're looking ahead to. at what point might we get some clarity on the next fed moves and where investor's heads are at? >> later this week, we get another read on inflation, the core pce number. that is the real number that the fed focuses in on. so if that inflation comes in higher than expected, it could raise some concerns that the fed will engage in 50 or 75 basis point hike at the september meeting. so that will be critical to this path higher for the market, if this volatility we see today is the start of something more.
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>> seema mody, thank you so much for that. in time, the biden administration today set to release something like 2 million new doses of the monkeypox vaccine. so far, there have been more than 14,000 confirmed cases in this country. you can see where in the so-called heat map on your screen. this as new york state is moving to switch up its vaccine strategy. the governor announcing the state is switching to intradermal injection to make the vaccines last longer. hey, good to see you this afternoon. >> reporter: hallie, good to see you. yeah, that's right. i'm in front of one of 13 vaccination sites here in new york city. we just had a man walk by and ask, are monkeypox vaccinations happening here? and they are. we've been speaking with individuals who got that first dose and 28 days later, they're eligible for their second. and now, they're frustrated and afraid and confused, because
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they don't know where to get them. also just this past weekend, new york state had its first case of monkeypox in a minor. so a lot to respond to. and just this morning, we heard from new york's governor about monkeypox. let's take a listen. >> we, as a state, are going to be transitioning to intradermal administration, using this dose sparing strategy, and we expect to complete that transition by a week from today, august 29th, when we will begin administering first and second doses intradermally. >> reporter: so that was a representative from the governor's office. and put simply in layman's terms, that new approach of administer thing vaccine, essentially makes it so that the vaccine is injected in a higher layer of skin and not a deeper layer of fat. what does that mean, what are the layman's terms? they need less doses of vaccine
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for more impact. this is a controversial approach, so we'll have to see how it plays out. but hallie, as you see that heat map on your screen, this is a big issue. yet another virus for the country to grapple with. so we'll have to see how this plays out. >> thank you. to the clock right now, ticking down for the justice department, facing a deadline thursday to provide redactions, to black out pieces of the affidavit used to justify the search on former trump's mar-a-lago home, redactions they don't want the public to see, right? now the judge suggests he may not unseal much of it, or any of it. he wants to see what he can release or whether or not the proposed redaction also make the whole thing meaningless, just a page of blacked out sharpie lines. this comes as president trump and his legal team will ask for a so-called special master to review what was taken by the fbi during the search of mar-a-lago. they say that's what they want, no motion has been filed as far as we understand yet.
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i want to bring in nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian. what else can you tell us? >> reporter: sure. this is written ruling memorializing what the judge said at the hearing the other day. but he seemed to lean into a little more of the notion that he doesn't really expect there's much useful he will be able to release here. he endorsed the justice department's argument that this provides a road map for the investigation, that full release would compromise witnesses and threaten the lives of fbi agents. he's still holding out some hope that some small portion could be unredacted. but he's also saying it's possible that it will be, as he put it during the hearing, meaningless gibberish. one thing that he did say is that he sort of doubled down, amid all this criticism of this raid, or this search, on the idea that there was probable cause, and he put it, that evidence of multiple federal
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crimes was present at mar-a-lago. he remains convinced of that based on the representations that the fbi made to him in this secret affidavit, hallie. >> ken dilanian live for us, thank you, ken. coming up, live to ukraine, as russia tries to pin a deadly car bombing ohhen that country. why that is sparking new fears of escalation, next. ears of escalation, next. do you struggle with occasional nerve aches in your hands or feet? try nervivenerve relief from the world's #1 selling nerve care company. nervive contains alpha lipoic acid to relieve occasional nerve aches, weakness and discomfort. try nervivenerve relief. only two things are forever: love and liberty mutual customizing your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. if anyone objects to this marriage... (emu squawks) kevin, no! not today. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪
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for the first time today, we're hearing from the key putin ally whose daughter was killed. in a statement, alexander dugin calls for revenge and for russia to push on in its invasion, writing we only need our victory, so win, please. nbc's josh letterman is on the ground with the latest in ukraine. josh, the concern here from experts is this could end up with a big escalation in the war in ukraine just ahead of the six hch month, i don't want to say anniversary, but the six-month mark of this war. >> reporter: yeah, independence day here in ukraine is also on wednesday, coinciding with the six-month mark of the war, hallie. and that is the big concern, is that this may be a russian pretext to really step up the attacks on this country. we're really in the land of spy games and cold war intrigue here. but we saw how quickly within 24 hours of this woman being killed, russia's intelligence service coming out and saying they've solved the mystery,
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they've solved the murder, blaming on this ukrainian woman, who they say was part of the security service. she came in with her child to russia a month ago from ukraine and then kill her, and free to estonia. the estonians say they're hearing about this for the first time from russia. ukraine says it makes no sense at all, and what we're seeing here play out is an internal power struggle amongst russia's intelligence agencies. but the fear in ukraine is that it's going to be used by russia to justify really pummeling this country, as we're already seeing ultranationalists in russia call for in retaliation, and it comes as this country is already on edge, and with the nuclear crisis here still raging in central ukraine, as there's been more shelling near the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant. and i spoke today with the mayor of the village next to
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zaporizhzhia, where the power plant is located. he told me they can't get information from people who are left in that city, because the russians have taken over the cell towers, the internet. there's -- it's hard to get access to anybody there. and they say that the nuclear experts there are being tortured and held under awful conditions, and he told me what life is like in and around the power plant right now. take a listen. >> translator: life is quite difficult, because people are afraid to go outside because they know they can come under fire both day and night. there's not enough medicine, because the pharmacies can't operate. large supermarkets where people buy food can't operate, and people are under constant physical and moral pressure from the occupying forces. >> reporter: hallie, the state department today announced that it summoned russia's ambassador to the u.s. to state department headquarters in foggy bottom to
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insist that russia stop attacks on that nuclear power plant, the largest in europe. russia denies it's been shelling that plant, blaming that on ukraine, hallie. >> josh letterman live for us in ukraine. thank you. good to see you. appreciate your reporting. still ahead, former nba star dennis rodman telling nbc news he's planning to go to russia to help free brittney griner. why he and the white house are not on the same page, next. it's the all-new subway series menu. twelve irresistible new subs.
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former nba star dennis rodman nicknamed the worm in his playing days appears to be wrigelling his way into u.s.-russia relations, the basketball star telling nbc news planning to go to russia to push for the release of brittney griner. in his words, saying "i know putin too well." the white house really didn't want him to go. a visit outside the established diplomatic channels could complicate and hinder release efforts. joining me now is cnbc news jonathan allen. john, you were having this casual conversation with rodman
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while he was at dinner in d.c., and i think he was in town for a sneaker convention, i should say. what does he want to do? what's his goal? who is he going to meet with? who is he talking to? >> let me set this wild scene. >> please. >> sitting in a patio in a restaurant and cigar lounge and he roles up in a few suvs with an entourage. he's instantly recognizable from the metal in his face, and the piercings in his face and the 6'7" frame and the shock of pink hair, so you know, my group moved to another table to make room for his and he started talking to our group and waxed philosophical about kamala harris' vice president and wanted to go to get brittney griner out. it is not clear if he has any meetings planned with vladimir putin and he is someone that has believed in the past from his
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dealings with north korea bringing public attention can be helpful in negotiating a release of a hostage. biden administration officials don't believe that that's helpful. >> explain that, right? because they see some potential downside here if this trip does, in fact, happen. >> this is a very tense situation with brittney griner. there's already been a sort of public offer for a deal from the united states for a prisoner swap with russia and what the administration is saying is basically anything on the sidelines and anything that's a distraction and anybody that remembers dennis rodman from his playing days knows that he's a destruction and anything like that could actually hinder the deal. >> rodman and you alluded to this and i remember covering this within the last couple of years, he's dabbled with diplomacy and international relations in the past. >> that's right. kim jong-un, the leader of north korea is a fan of dennis rodman
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and is a big fan of the chicago bulls of the 1990s and one several championships. he's gone to north korea a couple of times and he went to singapore to discuss a possible nuclear deal and that fizzled and then there was the release of an american hostage that rodman has claimed some credit for helping put together because he'd sent a letter to kim on behalf of the hostage. >> could this be an instance, john, just based on your sort of broader overview and analysis where any attention to griner's case could be good attention even if the biden administration can look at it as potentially complicating the effort? >> the international negotiations over hostages are both complex and they sometimes can be resolved by a little bit of external diplomacy, and we've seen this in the past with former ambassador bill
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richardson and at the time former president bill clinton visiting around the world to try to do some of these negotiations, so it's always possible, but again, the administration does not believe that that's going to be the case. >> john allen, any other other dennis rodman news we need to know about? you just happened to be in a cigar bar. >> he's not a big fan of kamala harris. >> interesting! we'll leave that for another day. john allen, thank you very much. we'll keep an eye if rodman goes on this trip and what's happening. one more look at wall street. the dow dropping something like 630 points now today. it's down nearly 2% as are just a couple of minute away from the close of the trading day. the dow is now, it looks like in a couple of minutes in a last-minute rally will have its worst day in months since june, the summer rally that its had is fizzling out. investors worried about
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inflation and worried about the potential for interest rate hikes and all ahead of another key inflation indicator that we will get later on in the week and we'll keep an eye on all things economy and we'll wrap it up and find us on twitter @hallie on nbc and over on the streaming channel tonight and every week night for show number two, a very different show at 5:00 eastern. "deadline: white house" with nicole wallace starts after the break. " with nicole wallace starts after the break. see we told you. wayfair always delivers small prices for big dreams. ♪ wayfair you've got just what i need ♪
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hi there, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york. it's been exactly two weeks since the search of the ex-president's private residence as part of a criminal probe into donald trump's handling of classified and sensitive documents and it is today clearer than ever that the country has entered uncharted territory. that the ex-president in grave and growing legal jeopardy. the justice department is expected to present to judge bruce reinhart a redacted version of the affidavit that was used to justify the mar-a-lago search warrant. it's a document that lays out exactly why prosecutors believe there is probable cause that crimes have been committed. reinhart issued a written order this morning in which she acknowledges that the affidavit might be so heavily redacted in order to protect doj sources and methods in what prosecutors amount to a road map to a probe that releasing that affidavit

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