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oklahoma and here in new york. we are watching a number of key races tonight. we start with a huge result for the democratic party in the bellwether special election in new york's 19th commercial district. nbc news can report that democrat pat ryan has defeated republican mark molinaro for the congressional seat vacated of current lieutenant governor antonio delgado. both parties watch this risk closely for potential insights into november's midterm elections, especially the impact the supreme court decision to overturn roe v. wade will have on turnout. >> as you are casting about today, but was the issue that was top of mind for you? >> i think just in general, for me, being a woman, personally, abortion rights are important. >> the first thing that comes to mind is roe v. wade thing. that freaked me out, and i just thought that, every election,
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every time there is a chance to vote and to see something, you gotta go out and say it. >> we will discuss all that ahead, but in new york, there are four other congressional races that we are watching closely. in new york's post-congressional district longtime democratic representatives jerrold nadler and carolyn maloney forced into the same race due to redistricting. nadler won that primary, ending maloney's 30-year stunt in congress. in your 17th district, democratic congressman, sean patrick maloney and mondaire jones were almost forced to run against each other the same way that nadler and maloney were. but mondovi's running in new york's newly drawn pet district, facing a crowded field including dan goldman, former lead counsel during donald trump's first impeachment who spent his own money in that race. goldman is clearly leading the pack, but the race is still too close to call.
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tonight, congressman maloney, the current share of the dccc, part of a primary challenge for progressive state senator alice on joe biaggi. perhaps the biggest races unfolding in upstate new york, which spends the bay southern border with pennsylvania. congressman chris checkups effectively pushed up by his own party, after he expressed a point for an assault weapons ban following mass shootings in texas and nearby buffalo new york. republican carl palladino, a far-right candidate, ran to replace jacobs and is not seeking reelection. palomino previously ran for governor of new york and lost by 30 points back in 2010. perhaps best known, and i am not making this up, for a scandal in which he was caught sending a video depicting piece the adi to colleagues. he recently praised adolf hitler in a radio interview. tonight, he lost again. nbc news projects as of moments ago that palatine o will
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narrowly lose his primary tonight to about four points. meanwhile, in florida, former republican governor and democratic congressman, charlie crist, has defeatist the agricultural commissioner nikki freed to run against incumbent republican governor ron desantis, despite winning the governor's mansion by a 38,000 margin in 2018, desantis is governed as though he has a mandate, pushing through a number of controversial far-right laws. he is a tough target for democrats to unseat this november. one voter told nbc news correspondent shaq rooster, -- i supported chris, something of a perennial statewide candidate, because i remember his face. >> i was remembering charlie crist, he was okay, i know him, so i said, you know what, that is where i am going again. >> you went with chris because he was familiar with you? >> yes, and i thought he did
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okay when he was governor, and i am hoping he will be better now. >> meanwhile, in the senate race in florida, democratic congressman val demings, the former orlando chief of police served as the house impeachment manager during that mueller's first impeachment trial has clinched the nomination to run against incumbent republican senator marco rubio, who is seeking his third term in the u.s. senate. in florida's 11th congressional district, far-right candidate and anti-muslim extremists, laura leung are, who calls herself a proud islamophobe, had kept her soft to the twitter doors in new york to protest a trump ban lost a closer than expected primary against incumbent daniel webster. we have a lot to get to tonight, so let's get right to it with steve kornacki at the big board. steve? >> this is the story of the night, and i think this could be the story of the summer, politically, in terms of setting the stage for the
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midterm election. i am talking about the special election in new york 19 district, you mention pat ryan, the democrat defeated mark molinaro, the republican. ryan will go to fill the remainder of the antenna delgado seat. he will run in a different district this november. what mr. significant is several things. first of all, this is the last major special election tests before november election. it comes after a two month period when we had been questioning, folks have been questioning whether the political involvement in this country might be changing away from the republican favor and into the democrat direction. there have been a number of things that have been happening in the last few months, one, the generic ballot. when you ask folks in polling, which party would you like to see control congress, democrats or republicans, earlier this year, republicans have been waiting on that question.
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now, it is such a time when he averaged opposed together. the generic belt has moved into democrats favor. there was the supreme court decision to overturn roe v. wade. the question of whether that would motivate, get democratic voters, democrat land borders off the sidelines, motivated to vote as republicans already seem to be motivated to vote in this buttermilk shun. there is some polling evidence some indication in polling that that might be the case. then, earlier this summer, we have two other special elections, one in minnesota and i'm in nebraska. but we're in republican districts. both were in districts that went for donald trump, both were won by republicans but the democrats did better in each of the special elections and then joe biden had done in those districts in 2020. democrats looked that and said, hey, maybe that's a sign that there is some increased enthusiasm for democrats in the wake of the row -- overturning of roe. but then that set up, this election tonight, as a real test, kind of pure test and
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what is truly a bellwether district. what i am showing you here is how the 19th district has voted and recent presidential elections. it won for donald trump in 2016, when trump won the presidency. it flipped and went for biden narrowly in 2020, when joe biden won the presidency. if you go back to 2012, district voted for barack obama. it has been right there with the winner of every presidential election, and it is the kind of district in a really strong mid term environment for republicans, and a midterm environment that was strong for republicans, this is the exact district that they had no problem flipping in a special election. if a republican wave had already been built, in a two point biden district, that is one of the first things that goes in a political way. instead, what as happened in the bellwether district is that democrats have won it, and actually, pat ryan, outperformed. it looks like you perform even a little better in the district
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then joe biden did. that is a major indication. that is the clearest indication that we have gotten that there really is something happening here in terms of the political climate, potentially moving away from a clear republican advantage, -- certainly, in the democrat direction, if you couple that with this one to, reading through the results here, this 23rd district special election was also held tonight, the circumstances here were a little bit different. the winner here simple and ski will not be running in the fall. the district is being restructured, -- the margin is about seven points here now. this is a district that donald trump carried by 12 points. so even here in a race that a lot of money and potential and resources didn't go to, you see democrats performing better than joe biden did. this is simply not the pattern.
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i am sure nebraska, minnesota, the 20th and 23rd district, 19th of new york, fourth straight special elections, where democrats had clearly outperformed joe biden and his numbers in 2020. we have been talking all year, biden's popularity is not good, the mood is not good, especially the economy, typically at a party does well in midterm elections. i think we know have strongest single piece of evidence in the 19 district special election tonight that in spite of all of that, i think it is worth asking questions about if democrats can win the senate and even if they can hold on to the house. >> steve kornacki, always good to see you and your natural apartment. thank you so much for bringing all that. for more on all these present experiments coming out of new york and florida, i am joined by a distinguished panel made up by new yorker and to floridians. -- assistant professor of political science at fordham university. she co-host the black's
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question podcasts. crowds curbelo represents voters 26th congressional district as a republican in congress in 2015 to 2019. david jolly represents florida's 13th congressional district as a republican in congress in 2015 to 2017. he has since left the republican party. it is good to see you all. christina, let's start with you and this new york 19th race. what does it tell you? >> don't forget that c is open because kenny hochul chose antonio delgado as her lieutenant governor. as you said, this looks good for democrats now. many would argue that it's too soon to tell but usually the party impart loses seats there in the midterm election. but it is possible that the republicans have been overplaying their hands when it comes to roe v. wade, when it comes to their lack of motivation to think about any sort of comprehensive nonetheless to control across all 50 states. these are serious issues that
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modern voters, independent voters and even republicans feel as though the party is off the rails. they say nothing of these lava, the antisemitism, the racism, the anti arab sentiments. for some voters, this is finally going to be an election that might be a stretch too far for some republicans. either they're upstanding or they're willing to cross. >> david, we now know that charlie crist will be going up against ron desantis. it is not lost new or carlos, i am sure, that as of tomorrow, it will be 30 years since hurricane andrew landed in florida. many onlookers interstate saying that it will take nothing short of a political storm to unseat rhonda santas. your thoughts? >> look, i think a lot of people say that florida is a red state. i think that is wrong. republicans have controlled elections over the past 20 years, but it is still a politically divided state by just three or four points. so, charlie crist and there's
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this respond by in the game. florida democrats chose a candidate tonight that has not won statewide in 16 years, and that is a critical announces of his candidacy, but what we are also seeing is that -- as the pointed out, is a national trend that may be to favor democrats. for charlie crist, thou val demings and democrats in congressional races, that national trend might be enough in the state of florida to really put them over the edge. but without that national trend in florida, democrats are certainly fighting uphill. look, republicans, let's flip the script a little bit, republicans tonight and in previous elections in the last 6 to 8 weeks or more fully off message. they want to be talking about joe biden and the economy, and they are actually talking about donald trump and roe v. wade, or at least they are having to talk about that. that is a losing position from republicans, the more democrats like charlie crist can focus on those issues, the more likely that they are going to get rhonda scent is a competitive
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race. >> carlos, do you agree? >> i agree, alicia. i think that the momentum has shifted here in the last couple of months. democrats were up against the ropes for months, really since the beginning of the biden presidency. the focus was on inflation, the economy, cost of living and that has all changed now. so, democrats here in florida today did something very different than what they did four years ago. they were pragmatic in choosing a candidate in charlie crist that can potentially built a winning coalition. back in 2018, a lot of democrats favored -- they touchy had broader appeal. they thought that she could be run desantis, but primary voters chose andrew gillum's, someone who came from the progressive wing of the party. this year, democrats have done something entirely different. they have gone with the safer choice, someone who could potentially bring in and
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attract independents and disillusioned republicans, having been a republican himself -- it may be given -- obviously, some structural headwinds for democrats, being that it is a midterm, what they control the government, but still, if anyone can build a coalition that can derail rhonda scent this, it will be charlie crist. >> i want to bring into our panel, nbc news national political reporter -- we were together about 30 minutes ago. we are talking about this new york 19th race, even if it's close, it's still tells you something about with the national environment looks like. talk to me about that and also the core issues that were driving the race. >> it looks like it was headed this way, and now we know that democrat pat ryan will win the bell weather district in hudson van, and it is extraordinary to see him not only win by outpace
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president biden in 2020, and suggest that this won't be quite as bad for democrats if they can keep up the performance. we may be looking at a black swan event occurring in realtime. that is the supreme court overturning roe v. wade, cutting that potential -- and that they needed to have any shot to hold a house of representatives. we see pat ryan in the race repeatedly emphasized that issue to try to galvanize democratic voters, connected to military service, talk about in early at about helping for american freedom means fighting for reproductive freedom and bodily autonomy as well. that is one of several issues. it seems to be the biggest one that is motivating democrats that chappelle and skips about. there are other issues, as well. gas prices was very high ears go. it has started coming down just a few moments ago. democrats seem to be stuck in what's that equation. suddenly, they are on a hot streak. they passed inflation reduction act, which they can brag about the older voters, including medicare negotiated crisis. they can use it or not younger
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democratic base, progressive voters, on the largest investment ever in colleges. there is reason, i think for the first time in a long time, for democrats to have hope. the big question is can they replicate this performances fall. i was talking about the caveat here, you hear republicans talk about how this was a new york primary. they had a special election coincide with the primary where democrats in the state tended turnout in picket i'm or stand republicans. that is true. now, if that makes a big difference we now then -- this may not be reflective. but democrats still, based on what they did tonight, have good reason to hope. i've gotta ask you about laura. because she is refusing to concede. i want you to take a listen to what she said. >> i am not conceding. because i'm aware that reality is our republican party is broken to its core. >> what we have done tonight has really honestly shocked the nation. we have further exposed the corruption within our own
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feckless cowardly republican party. and that is exactly why, right, i decided to run against the rhino republican, daniel webster. do nothing daniel webster. >> when we talk about these extremist candidates, and those who have bought into conspiracy theories and the big lie, it is hard to understate the damage that it does to our democracy tonight have people who are not part of fair and free elections being willing to concede on the other side of them. >> i'm sorry, is that for me? >> yes dr.. >> i'm sorry, yes, this is a free and fair election, they're the cornerstone of the foundation, and so what's trump is really excavating by refusing to attend and acknowledge joe biden as the president of the united states is that he is now so this
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season's own party of people who refused to acknowledge and respect that election results. and, so we are going to see more of this. not just other republicans refusing to recognize democratic wings, but republican primary competitions where they're going to acknowledge legitimate elections. and, so when you undermine elections, which republicans the damage is not just done too but i teach young people. we want to know that young people understand, and it will count. well you can't have or have candidates like what you just heard saying that the entire party has corrected the entire process. that does not bode well for our future. and that should put us in november 2022. but what is quite concerning to most of us is november 2024, when we have a presidential election and are possible donald trump for iran to send. this republican refusing to
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recognize or respect election results. >> i only have about a minute left, but i want to underline element here which is the fact that florida primaries happened very late. we are now very close to the general election. how does that change the contours of these races? >> yes, look, great question alicia. republicans who controlled tallahassee set a late primary years ago to favor incumbents. because it would favor republicans. it is now a spread, and this is where the amount of money that the governor, has the amount of money that marco rubio really come into play because they can run this threat of tv ads. but belgium is going to be one of the strongest senate candidates in the country. chris has a little bit of approving to don the fundraising. but i think, if he starts to show numbers close to the centers, steal see the money come in. two very high-profile races in florida statewide. democrats need a little bit of a niche, but they are in this race as of tonight. they might be there in early
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november. >> thank you all so much for staying up with us. coming, up donald trump's legal woes continue to mount in his own lawyers don't seem to be helping. we are gonna get you back to alex wagner tonight, next. alex wagner tonight, next. if you want laundry to smell fresh for weeks, make sure you have downy unstopables in-wash scent boosters.
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like on monday, two weeks after the fbi executed a search warrant on the president's palm beach estate, donald trump filed a lawsuit asking for the fbi review of documents taken from mar-a-lago. for that review to be put on hold until a third-party, it's called a special master's appointed to review the seized material. and that lawsuit, trump argued that he has cooperated perfectly with federal investigators and the national archives throughout this whole mess that began in january of 2021. his lawsuits, states, quote all facts show that there was complete cooperation between president, trump his team and the appropriate agencies. it even includes a quote from donald trump himself. why raid my home with the platoon of federal agents when i have voluntarily cooperated with their every request? >> you sure about that? last night we learn from the new york times that the national archives recovered more than 150 classified documents from trump's florida
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home in january which were squirrel the way in 15 boxes of documents. we also learned that trump personally went through those documents before he turned them over. in a bid to somehow help the former president, right-wing media -- sullivan published a letter from the national archive to one of trump's lawyers. it stated me. tenth solomon hyped's letter is evident that somehow biden has fixed the and pei on trump. as it turned out, sullivan was shooting himself or rather, donald trump in the foot. for starters, this letter from the national archives confirmed the new york times reporting that over 100 documents retrieved by the government in january from mar-a-lago, that they were marked classified. the national archive has detailed it was specifically
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over 700 paces of classified information, just hang out at mar-a-lago. included in some of these were documents for some of the highest level of classification including special access program material. which, even if you have top security clearance, you still need additional clearance to see that kind of document. see that kind of document. the letter, again, the letter somehow meant to exonerate trump implicate biden, it also confirmed the trump and his crew had been dragging their feet for weeks. asserting bogus claims of executive privilege in an attempt to delay the document for being handed over to the justice department. but while the archives retrieve the boxes of documents in january, the fbi and the doj didn't get access to the contents of those boxes until the month of may. donald trump clearly has a different definition of cooperation than most of us do. but that is not all. in june, when the justice department officials went to mar-a-lago to ask donald trump, hey, are there any more classified documents lying around? trump's former crossfit lawyer said -- reportedly signed a statement saying trump had handed over all the documents. she signed a statement saying, yes, that is the.
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nothing else to see here, folks. but even after the visit, even after trump's attorney swore there was no more classified documents and mar-a-lago, double pinky swear, the justice department was not convinced. so in august 8th, the fbi executed a search warrant where they found, you guessed it, more documents at mar-a-lago marked, top secret. the new york times reported late last night that infect federal agents in total retrieved over 300 classified documents, with hundreds of hundreds of pages of classified material from mar-a-lago. that record of -- and foot-dragging, and false statements is apparently donald trump's definition of complete cooperation. and we have breaking news tonight about that supposed cooperation. the washington post reports what happens when archives first through the darkness of january. quote, would employees began opening up and sifting through material, they noticed an immediate problem. the boxes of ride without any kind of logs or inventories to
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describe their content, according to a person familiar with the recovery. instead, they contained a hodgepodge of documents including some did not even come from trump's time in the white house. but some of the white house records it obvious markings indicating they were classified. and mbc has not yet confirmed this reporting. the washington post report continues to draw chronicle how the fbi conducted its full investigation. and just how, just precisely how involved donald trump was personally with overseeing the document. quote, -- it came to an uneasy disk conclusion. the fbi proceed with interviews with others in trump including valets and other white house staffers. staffers they said trump was a packer who had been personally overseeing his collection of white house record since even before leaving washington. and had been reluctant to return anything. the fbi became increasingly convinced that the former president continue to hold
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classified documents in florida. they could not beat determine who was involved with checking the boxes at mar-a-lago or why some white house documents were not sent to the archive. the people familiar with the episodes the trump oversaw the process himself. and did so with great secrecy, declined to show some items even to his top aides. some material recovered in the search is considered extraordinarily sensitive, because it could reveal carefully guarded secrets about u.s. intelligence gathering methods. one of them said the information is among the most sensitive secrets we hold. around that time, trump attorneys evan corcoran and christina -- together provided the justice department with a written insurance about trump having returned classified materials. a person familiar with the matter said. a person did not provide the specific wording of the letter, signed by bob. a person familiar with the matter is that the document is of interest to the fbi, which is investigating the veracity of this claim. joining us now is washington
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post national reporter, carolyn ng, who is filing the story tonight. carol, thank you so much for being here. it is breaking and it is explosive. i think the first thing that grabbed me in this article is just how deeply the former president appears to have been in selecting these documents. what more can you tell us about that? >> what is clear in both the interviews you have done with sources and also as revealed in a lot of your records and letters that are coming out, is that the president was very involved, the former president was very involved in, at the last minute hastily chaotically packing up his documents that he sought were quote unquote his. and arranging for them to be taken to mar-a-lago, his private club and part-time residents. and that also importantly, alex, despite the former presidents
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claim that all he's done is been cooperative, what we found is that week after week he was the person resisting providing records. he was the person along with his lawyers asking for a delay in allowing the fbi, for example, to look over the classified records that they found to their horror, to the shop, in a group of 15 boxes of records that they retreat from mar-a-lago. and so the president is really, the former president's verily very much at the center of this drama. and now, his own advisers, legal and otherwise, are growing increasingly concerned and have been since june. that this is a criminal investigation in which the former president is in legal jeopardy, ultimately of his own making. that is, perhaps, if he turned
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over the records willingly and forced rightly, right away in january december, or in the fall of 2021. all of these times that it was asked for, it might not have morphed into a criminal investigation looking at the willful retention of some of the highest and most sensitive secrets our government holes. >> yeah, i think we should focus on that a little bit. this is it like a former president sitting at his kitchen table leafing through memorabilia that he mistakenly brought home. you specifically say in the story that he was going through the documents with great secrecy, declined to show some items even to top aides. and why are we talking about, carol? some of the most sensitive, secrets we hold. can you talk more about that? and just the amount of not only the recognition of that among the people reporting, but within trump's circle it sounds like nobody really wanted to touch this case with a ten foot pole.
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>> such a good point and i promise we will circle back to that, alex, about the ten foot pole that a lot of people were avoiding taking hold of. your first question, about the sensitivity of this material, as described in the inventory, some of this material is top secret. secure compartmented information. that means the people have to, as you described earlier so well, people have to have an absolute reason to know and access this information is part of their job. it has to be someone who's incredibly trustworthy and had this very high security clearance and usually secure compartmented information involves intelligence gathering matt they. it's the records that were seized on august 8th, just as the fbi and the department of justice feared, were some of those holiest of holy kinds of records. that if a shared
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indiscriminately or handled carelessly in a private restaurant, club -- if ever disclosed would cause immediate, grave danger to national security. because it would reveal how the u.s. gathers the intelligence that it has. that includes, for example, which allies provide us special intelligence people don't share with others. that includes, for example, covert programs that we have the gather intelligence and if those details were revealed to a foreign adversary, our chances of protection national security would be greatly diminished, grave threats. you asked that question about people who during this period who worked for donald trump or were in the trump orbit try to avoid being involved in this case. starting in the fall of 2021, donald trump was resisting turning over records he
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believed were quote unquote, mine meaning his. and the archives knew that he had a lot of records. the things were missing, and that they needed them. eventually, donald trump's team turned over 15 boxes of records. the shocker for people who had previously worked in president trump's white house counsel office was that those records included highly classified materials. when they were notified, in particular patrick philbin, deputy white house counsel, when he was notified in april that the national archives found that there was classified information in these documents, he was stunned. and he was being asked at that time to help team trump review the records. to go up to the national archives and review what had been turned over and figure out what are in these boxes, which you would think they would've looked before but patrick philbin and others backed away
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from this request by team trump and pretty soon the fbi was knocking on their doors asking the deputy white house counsel 's, we need to interview you. you are now a subject witness. you may be a witness for us about what is going on in this, withholding of what appeared to be incredibly sensitive documents. >> at this point, can you really blame any lawyer who doesn't want to work for donald trump? carol leonnig, washington post national reporter. thank you so much for joining us this evening and with that breaking news to boot. up next, a federal judge that donald trump appointed called into question the lawsuit he filed against the doj. former prosecutor, rebecca leahy joins us next. we'll be right back.
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this new reporting in the washington report tonight from former president trump's reluctance to hand over classified documents to the proper authorities. also tonight, in the latest legal setbacks, the former president, the federal judge overseeing trump's lawsuit, he was appointed by donald trump, is asking trump to clarify the exact purpose of the lawsuit that he filed yesterday, the one asking for a special master to review the documents seized by the fbi in august. joining us now is the former prosecutor and the manhattan district attorney's office, current successor at new york law school, new york university law school.
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rebecca roiphe, thanks for joining me. we have a lot to talk about here. so first, let me get your reaction to the washington post reporting about how centrally trump was involved in this election documents, it was shrouded in secrecy, the documents themselves were highly sensitive. what do you see is the potential legal implications and all of that? >> in order to prove any kind of crime, especially there has been a lot of discussion about the espionage act that we saw. we need to show two things. the act actually happened, and that the person possessed the state of mind that required in order to have criminal liability. this is relevant for both of those things. he was in possession of these documents that were highly classified and highly sensitive. we should use the term sensitive because the criminal statutes don't refer to classification level, they just refer to something that implicates national security. he had those documents, next question is, did he retain them? this reporting is so critical
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for that because it essentially says that he was personally involved in this. he can't blame someone else. it was him. and also, all of these repeated requests to cooperate. that makes it look like it wasn't any accident. he was really doing this on purpose. the fact that a trump ally released one critical piece of paper in a paper trail that shows donald trump was not willing and would not cooperate, it really fits under the dictionary definition of shooting oneself in once on four. do you think that there is any credence to implicating biden in this? >> here's the thing, when trump's legal avenues start to close, when there starts to be fewer and fewer legal claims he can make, he retreats to one thing that has worked for him repeatedly which is the witch
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hunt. this is the democrats, they're out to get me, this is the political motivating thing. it has worked for him politically, not legally, but politically. in that regard, i suppose there are little crumbs in here that you might, if you twist around, make it look like oh, biden, who keep saying that he is working for the department of justice was involved. if you look at it a little more closely, that disappears because he actually, he was only involved in a nominal way because he is president. these documents belong to the president. so how can you approve their transferal to the department of justice without confining it? he specifically said, i'm deferring to the department of justice in terms of the legal determination of whether or not it is privileged. all i'm doing is saying, this is a determination that is made, i give my okay. y okay all i'm doing is saying, this is a determination that is made, i get my okay. he is not meddling in some kind
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of improper way in the investigation or if it turns into an alternate prosecution, that's not what he's doing. they were trying to make it look that way. >> there is more to get to in future hours ahead rebeca, including the appointment of a special master, even though the trump appointed judge who's looking at that, former prosecutor in the manhattan -- district attorney office. thank you for your time. i appreciate, it and your wisdom. up next, two men were convicted today for their role in one of the highest profiled domestic terrorism cases we have seen in this country in decades. stay with us. try downy free & gentle downy will soften your clothes without dyes or perfumes. the towel washed with downy is softer, and gentler on your skin. try downy free & gentle.
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michigan protests, more than 1000 cars waved in trump -- flags demanding not just an end to the states covid restrictions, but also to get rid of michigan governor gretchen -- they called her a tyrant for imposing those -- and compare to hitler. president trump himself supported their cause two days after that protest tweeting, liberate michigan. conservatives and conservative media took up the cause, repeatedly calling whitmer an authoritarian and a tyrant. >> michigan governor gretchen whitmer, not impressive. has imposed which might be the most authoritarian restriction on daily life in the history of this country. sort of like an out-of-control tyrant. >> i'm saying hello from the police state of michigan where
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i live under the martial law of gretchen whitmer. >> and then two weeks later, things escalated. hundreds of protesters, many of them heavy lee are rushing the michigan state capital. they chanted, let us in, and demanded to be let on the house floor. they were trying to put pressure on michigan state lawmakers who are voting to let governor whitmer's emergency declaration expire. this is a photo that the michigan state senator took of armed protesters yelling down at them during that vote from the balcony. again, these protests were against covid restrictions and against governor whitmer herself. president trump responded to this round of armed protest by calling the protesters quote, very good people. then, a few months after that, the fbi foiled an alleged plot by two conservative militia groups to kidnap and possibly kill michigan governor gretchen whitmer. starting in june, the groups began tactical training, firearms training in combat drills. to learn how to use improvised, explosive devices. they conductive surveillance on governor whitmer's residences
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-- and plan to kidnap governor whitmer at her vacation home. they thought they would avoid local law enforcement i blowing up the bridge near her home and potentially escaping by boat. they called governor whitmer a tyrant who wanted to hog-tied her and take pictures like it was a drug bust. again, the fbi detailed the whole plot in public in october of 2020. here was president trump talking about earlier this month. >> as another example, the sting they did involving gretchen whitmer, was fake. just like those who instigated january 6th. it was a fake yeah, it was a fake. a fake deal. gretchen whitmer was in less danger than the people sitting in this room right now. >> today, two of the men central to that very real profit to kidnap governor whitmer were convicted of the crime. they face up to life in prison for them. actions do in fact have consequences. but if this whole thing, the storming of the state capital, the extremist plans for
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violence, president trump claiming it was all fake, if -- if it all feels really issue, you're not crazy. storming of the michigan state capital and the plot against the governor there were in many ways the ideological precursors to january 6th. the first real manifestation of the idea that if a civil servant doesn't do what you want, you should go physically threatened or harm them. we saw that on january 6th with the chants of hang met -- mike pence. we saw that earlier this month, when an armed man tried to attack the cincinnati fbi field office after the fbi raided president trump's florida home. everyone from the judge who signed the search warrant in that case to the fbi agents involved, all of them are facing threats of violence from the right. even county level election officials across the country are facing consistent physical threats these days. for the crime of trying to fairly administer our elections. and then tonight, we just got the news that the irs is launching a full security review of all of its facilities nationwide because of just how
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many threats the irs is getting. it is all concerning and it is worth remembering that donald trump is continue to fan all the flames. but it's also worth american that america still a country of laws. . seriously? one up the power of liquid, one up the toughest stains. any further questions? uh uh! one up the power of liquid with tide pods ultra oxi.
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get to tonight. some breaking news here, in new york 17th congressional district nbc news now predicts that sean patrick maloney, chair of the dccc has defeated state senator, alexander biology. msnbc will have election coverage through this very exciting. right now, it is time for the last word with my friend lawrence or donald. >> >> i've had my eye on this house race that is the house race of my last guess last night, 25 year old maxwell alejandro frost. he has won his primary. it is a highly democratic district so this is one of those, those new york city primaries. the winner of the democratic primary is very, very likely the next member of congress throughout this week. we have a new youngest member of the house representatives in january. he was on this program last night, we are going to try to fi s

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