good to be with you. i'm katy tur. today, democrats and republicans are reassessing their political fortunes after the november midterms after a special election upset in bellwether swing district in new york -- a bellwether swing district. excuse me. republicans went into the race with a built-in advantage. it is a midterm year with a democrat in the white house, but democrat pat ryan zeroed in on

abortion rights after the supreme court's decision to overturn roe v. wade. while republican mark molinaro focused on inflation and crime. in the end, pat ryan, the democrat, beat his republican opponent. here is how his fellow new yorker and congressman sean patrick maloney, who runs the dccc and just won his own primary viewed that race. >> that is an earthquake and should send sifrs down the sign of kevin mccarthy and tom elmert, because their dreams of a big republican wave just went up in flames. >> the person you want to break this down, steve kornacki, who called the race the single biggest results of the primary season. we're going to get steve's ear piece fixed in a moment. he'll join me in just a second to break down all of these results out of new york and florida. and more revelations about the classified documents at the center of the fbi's search at mar-a-lago, including new questions about the risk to our national security.

those boxes contain documents classified at the highest level. also, a major announcement from president biden today on student loan debt. what we are learning about his plan to forgive $10,000 in debts and to extend the pause for repayments. let us start, though, with those big primary takeaways and the implications for november, which is very, very near. nbc correspondent dasha burns is in kingston, new york, covering the special election race. shaq brewster is covering the primary results from ft. lauderdale, and our steve kornacki is at his big board. also with us, jeremy peters, msnbc contributor. so, dasha, you just got a pull-aside with pat ryan who won that race in the new york 19th. tell us what he said and why he thinks he was victorious. >> i asked him about the secret sauce that all democratic strategists are now going to be looking to find here in this

race. you know, the voters here in this district heard our friend, steve kornacki, talking about how significant this race really was. and it did fly under the radar for a while, but now, look, this is a swinging district, you mentioned it. it's reflected the national mood for many years now. it went from obama to trump to biden. it was republican held from its creation in 2012, until the blue wave in 2018. and this was far from a guaranteed victory from pat ryan. the republican party did have an advantage here because typically, in a year where one party controls washington, it is an uphill battle for the other side. but this really came down to issues. it wasn't about personality. molinaro running on inflation, calling this a referendum on the biden administration, but pat ryan really leaning in to abortion rights, as his main message. and people were really receptive to that, katie.

i want you to hear just a little bit of my conversation. we were the first to speak to pat ryan since that victory. here's what he told me. >> our community came out, they sent a loud and clear message that freedom and choice were on a ballot, that democracy was on the ballot, and when those fundamental rights and freedoms are at stake, people show up. we have to remind people what's at stake. that, in fact, sort of the forces trying to take these rights away are only digging in further. and i think that people see that. >> you know, katie, new york is also often overlooked in politics, because it is a blue state. but what's really significant here, especially because it's a blue state, especially because it is a state where abortion rights are protected, you can look at this in two ways, right? people could have been sort of complacent, thinking, look, we're in a state where we don't necessarily need to worry about this. instead, what i heard at the polls from voters yesterday is that while they were concerned

about the economy, why they were concerned about health care and all of these other issues, they were straight-up scared after the supreme court decision. and that fear and that anger really drove them. and they say, look, i don't care if i'm in a staid where those rights are protected right now. we don't know what's coming. we don't know who's going to have the power down the line here. so i'm going to come out and vote in every single election, no matter how big or small. and that's just not a sentiment that we've heard in a while, especially in districts like this, katie. >> the democrats have said, it's not just going to be a state-by-state issue. if republicans get into power, they'll pass a nationwide abortion ban. that's certainly motivated some folks. let's talk about the new york 1th and why you think it's such an important bellwether. i know dasha was just explaining some of the contours there. why should we take what happened in new york and potentially apply it to the other midterm races coming up in november? >> i think it's part of a bigger story and part of the question we've been asking really the last two months about whether

the national political climate has changed in a way that is more favorable to democrats. the other developments that we've seen, even before this last night were, for instance, in the last month or two, the generic congressional ballot. when you ask folks in polling, do you want democrats, do you want republicans to control congress, republicans last year, first half of this year, had been winning on that question. suddenly, the democrats in the last month or so have drawn even on that question. so the democrats have made gains when it comes to the generic ballot. we've also seen in a number of special elections before this one here in new york, we saw one in nebraska, we saw one in minnesota, we saw republicans win republican districts, but democrats do better, significantly better in those districts than joe biden had in 2020. speaking to this claim, democrats have been making, that the roe v. wade overturning had motivated their voters and was getting them more activated and

interested. that set the stage for what we saw in the 19th district of new york last night, which was a true, as dasha was saying, a bellwether district. trump in 2016, exactly the kind of district, a very swingy district, very politically competitive, in a midterm environment where a republican wave was taking shape, you know, biden's approval ratings are low, voters are still very sour on the economy. you would expect in that kind of red wave environment, this would be low-hanging fruit for republicans. and instead, as you see here, ryan actually running a little bit, a point above where joe biden ran in this district. and democrats are going to hold on to this seat. and one of the reasons, when you look closely at how this all came about, you see the 19th, that there are two blue counties. it's ulster county and columbia county. and both of these counties, look at it this way, in 2020, combined, these two counties made up 36% of the total vote in the 19th district of new york.

last night, those same two counties accounted for 42% of the vote in this district. the two democratic counties made up a disproportionately large share of the votes that came out in new york 19 yesterday. again, that is really strong evidence of increased democratic enthusiasm, increased democratic participation, and conversely, when you look at the red areas in the district, the staunchly republican areas, molinaro, the republican, was running up numbers that looked just like donald trump's numbers. what he wasn't getting was the equivalent turnout. if he had been getting the equivalent turnout, he probably could and would have won this race yesterday. but he had very high turnout relative to the rest of the district in democratic areas and lower turnout in the republican areas. so, again, that speaks to what democrats are saying about potentially an enthusiasm edge for them coming off of this supreme court ruling.

so it is only one special election, but it's not the first time we've seen this dynamic. and in fact, just quickly, there was a second special election in new york yesterday, in the 23rd district. more republican area. this district is being blown up, not a lot of money, not a lot of investment here. but what's worth noting, the republican is going to win this race by about seven appoints. donald trump won this district by 12. so, again, movement -- movement -- improvement for democrats, from joe biden's number. this was not contested with a ton of money or a ton of effort by either party, but another special election where democrats overperformed the biden number. >> not to get into the weeds on this, steve, but we live in the new york area and we know how many people fled the city and the more urban areas to some of these more suburban counties. can you account for that increased turnout among democrats by just saying, it's a

flood of people who moved out of new york city, moved out the more densely populated areas, and maybe say it's not necessarily an indicator for the midterms? >> you could say that, but again, that's why i'm saying, i don't view this as a one-off. i view it in the context of this. right here, i'll draw a line, this is when the supreme court ruling overturning roe v. wade came down. this texas 34 special election was right before that. we've now had four special elections that have been held in nebraska, in minnesota, and then two yesterday in new york. four special elections held since that supreme court decision. here's the 2020 presidential result. here's the special election result. look, deep red nebraska district stays red, but it's a ten-point swing in the democrats' direction. deep red in terms of the presidential election, minnesota district. trump wins it by ten.

republicans hang on to it in the special election, but only by four. bellwether district in new york, biden by two after trump won it. democrats hang on to it. 23rd district, trump by 11, republicans by only 6 yesterday. so we're now seeing a trend in all four of these districts since that supreme court ruling. again, it tells me, i think there's something going on that's bigger than just particular new york-centric or new york 19-centric factors. >> i think steve is on to something. i think this explains some of the alarm you've been hearing from republicans like senator mitch mcconnell, who was wander that these extremist candidates from the trump wing of the party are going to cost republicans and potentially jeopardize their chances of retaking control of the senate. so it's deeper than just abortion. but when you couple the dobbs decision on top of the

reputation that the republican party has right now of being captive to donald trump, that's not a great environment. it's certainly not the type of political environment you would expect when the incumbent president in a midterm year is so unpopular. and the economic conditions are certainly not in that president or his party's favor. >> all right. shaq, you're in florida. we've paid a lot of attention to new york right now. but charlie crist won big last night. tell me what voters told you. >> reporter: well, yesterday, you know, democratic voters made clear that their biggest priority as they went into the ballot, despite focusing on issues, was who would be the strongest candidate to take on ron desantis. i think our colleague mark caputo put it really well this morning in his write-up on msnbc.com, he said, among democrats in the state, the question they were asking was, which one, which democrat would be the underdog to face ron

desantis. they know this is an uphill battle. and the winner of that battle last night is governor charlie crisis. someone who has already turned his attention to ron desantis. you heard him say that he believes that ron desantis is too divisive for the state of florida. that is a race that was pretty clear win that we saw from him and that margin was a little bit better than we expect. there was also another race, another primary that we were watching. another national race that is going to get a lot of national attention. and that was when we saw val demings, congresswoman demmings beat marco rubio or excuse me -- congresswoman demmings secure the nomination to now take on marco rubio while she secured that nomination fairly easily. she's in for a tough battle against marco rubio. i want you to listen to a little bit of what we heard from both crist and demmings as they proved their messages against

these republicans. >> he is on the battlefield of hate, i am on the battlefield of love. there's faith, hope, and love. and the greatest of these is love. it's in corinthians, in the bible. i'm going to beat him because i'm running on love and love always wins. >> i will put my record of public service, of really trying to bring people together, not just picking and choosing winners and losers like marco rubio does, i'll put my record of public service up against marco rubio, the career politician's record any day. i look forward to that fight. >> going back to that governor's race, the reason why so many democrats feel that they're coming into this race is because of the strength that you see in ron desantis. this is a candidate that is polling and you look at his approval ratings over 50%. these a war chest of more than $130 million. that's historic numbers that we're talking about for a governor's race. he already will be on the campaign trail today, hitting

tampa, orlando, jacksonville. he's making clear that he is ready for this fight, and you have democrats admitting it's going to be a tough fight ahead, but believing that with abortion, with those other issues that we're hearing here in florida, that they have an opportunity as they're facing this incumbent republican. >> shaq brewster in his own tough fight, tough battle with a big rig that was driving battle. shaq, thank you very much. dasha, thank you as well. and a programming note, charlie crist will join andrea mitchell in our next hour at noon eastern. coming up, president biden is set to make a big announcement on forgiving student loan debt this afternoon. but how much of an impact will it make? plus, six months later, after the russia invasion, ukrainians are marking their independence day. where the threats stand and the plans for new aid from the united states. first up, though, did former president trump jeopardize our national security by keeping those sensitive documents at mar-a-lago? those sensitive documents at r-a-lago pool floaties are like whooping cough.

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compromise of classified intelligence. just yesterday, the national archives made public a letter saying that trump had some of the government's most sensitive secrets stored in boxes at mar-a-lago. nbc's justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian joins me now with more on this. also joined by talley farhaddian winestein, an msnbc legal analyst. all right, ken, explain what's happening here with this assessment or lack thereof? >> why there isn't one. we're hearing a number of reasons. one, there was a four-month delay between the time when the government first learned there were highly classified documents at mar-a-lago in fbi and the time the fbi finally got to look at them in may. second, some sources say that the biden administration is reluctant to conduct a formal damage assessment, because some officials fear that trump backers will accuse them of politicizing the case. and third, a number of sources told us that the intelligence community is often reluctant to put anything in writing that a defendant, that say donald trump's lawyers could then

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request a special master -- send it back to the lawyer saying, here's a link to how you actually do these motions online. try again. >> yeah. katy, you know, that motion reminded me of something that i've seen often in my career, which are motions that are filed by prose incarcerated people were doing their best to patch together some kind of legal writing from the materials that might be available in a prison library or online. and you see sort of these catchphrases put together, but it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. and the judge's response was likewise, skepticism, a little bit of a slam, but also some guidance. like, please answer the following really basic questions about why you brought a civil case in front of me rather than making these arguments in the litigation before a different judge about the unsealing of the

affidavit in the search warrant. and so, there are these signs that he has not particularly well represented or making good strategic decisions. but we've also seen that previews of legal arguments that mr. trump might make if criminal charges do follow from this investigation. and all of them seem really quite week, as defenses for him having knowingly held on to these sensitive documents after the government had told him repeatedly that it was dangerous and illegal for him to do so. >> talley farhaddian weinstein and ken dilanian, thank you very much. we also have some breaking news out of capitol hill. the house subcommittee investigating the covid crisis has just released a new report on the trump administration' handling of the response. the report alleges that trump white house officials deliberately and repeatedly sought to bend the fda's scientific work on coronavirus treatments and the vaccines to the white house's political

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debt for borrowers making less than $125,000 a year. and that he will extend a pause on student loan repayments until january. so let's get to our team. nbc news senior white house correspondent, kelly o'donnell, and nbc's ellison barber, who is at nyu getting reaction from students. also, astrid tailor, a writer and documentarian. lay out what we're going to hear from president biden. >> the white house has not yet told us exactly when this will unfold. now that the president is back and physically at the white house, i would anticipate we'll get some clarity on that perhaps even in the next few minutes. typically, we have some advance warning and this was a bit different. so this is why we don't have all the specifics. but what we are understanding from the sources we've been working with, that the expectation is the president would cancel $10,000 in federal

student loans for those earning up to $125,000 a year and would extend the moratorium on paying back loans which people have been experiencing through the covid period, which does include the entire time president biden has been in office, extending that, which would have run out at the end of this month, through january. and so that will provide a lot of relief for americans who have been concerned about this. and at the same time, there has been criticism that perhaps the president could have done more and encouragement from some of the groups that have been really pushing on this issue and have been trying to advocate to the white house that there's room to do more, perhaps as much as $50,000. so we'll wait to hear the specifics, but that's what we have been learning and we should hear more about exactly when we'll learn this from the president in the next few minutes. >> with that caveat, we don't know exactly what this is going

to be yet. yesterday, we thought it was going to be $10,000, today we're learning $20,000 for pell grants, on top of that $10,000, how are you feeling for someone who's advocating for debt relief, for wiping out debt cancellation, how do you feel about what the president is doing? >> i have always been of the mind-set that every penny of student debt should be erased because college is a public good and it should be free. but there's no doubt this is a huge stepping-stone, a milestone on the path to that end. the call for debt cancellation was extremely unusual when we first raised it ten years ago. and now the president is doing it. and if these estimates or these rumors we're hearing are accurate, and i believe they are, and we're seeing $10,000 as a baseline and up to $20,000 for pel grant recipients, that means up to 20 million people could have their balances reduced to zero. that is hugely significant. it shows that all debt can be

canceled, if you can cancel 10k or 20k, it should all go. we need to fix the higher education system so future generations aren't buried in unpayable debt. but absolutely, this is significant and will be a big boost for millions of families and for the economy. >> i wonder why it is so hard to get this sort of thing done in congress. and i wonder if part of it is because so many members of congress are a lot older. and when they were going to school, college was a lot cheaper. and i'm not talking everybody, i'm talking a lot of them. and you know, you could get a part-time job and pay off your college debt or pay off your school as you were going. it's not really the case any longer. i mean, school costs 40, 60, 80,000 anymore depending on where you go. >> absolutely. this is not a radical demand to asking for debt-free higher

education. this is parity with what older generations enjoyed, with what the president himself enjoyed. that's the problem at its root, is the lack of statement investment in higher education. and so students and their families have had to debt finance to fill in that gap. so absolutely, we need to return to the model of free public college, recognizing education is a public good, and couple that with debt cancellation for everybody. because this will benefit society as a whole. this isn't just about individual debtors. we all benefit when nurses aren't saddled with unpayable debt and teachers aren't saddled with unpayable debt. this really something that is good for everybody, not just the millions of families that are going to get a direct relief. >> so ellison, as this news starts to come out, what are you hearing from college students? >> yeah, so when you are remembering just the sheer numbers we're talking about here, the federal reserve says

that there are roughly 45 million americans who have some form of student debt americans owe more than about 1.7 trillion in student loans. so we're talking about a lot of money here. and a lot of people being impacted. and when we are speaking with students, be they here in new york city or in other cities around the country, what we keep hearing from people who are directly impacted by this is they feel like this is a first step. for a lot of them, they say it is what they voted for the last election cycle, but they believe it is a first step, not nearly enough, based on what they know right now and they're hoping that this is the first in a series of other significant steps. listen to some of what we've been hearing? >> that's way too little. that's chump change. >> no, i don't think it's enough. i think particularly because like, this generation of students have -- it's going to school and taking out loans for school is a lot different for us, it's a lot more expensive then what our parents are paying

and what their parents were paying to go to college. >> i want to break down some numbers here, just so we remember exactly who we're talking about when we're talking about student loan debt. roughly 30% of undergraduates borrow federal loans. 66% of graduate students borrow federal loans. the average student loan debt is $37,693 per borrower. and when we're talking about student loans and student loan debt, particularly as it relates to undergraduate students, we also need to talk about and remember the racial disparities that are taking place here, as well. black undergraduates are disproportionately impacted by student loan debt. 76% of black undergraduates borrow federal loans for college and on average, black student borrowers owe 6% more than they borrowed while white borrowers owe 10% less. katy? >> so president biden has just confirmed what we've been reporting. $20,000 if you went to college on pell grants, $10,000 if you

didn't receive a pell grant. it applies to everybody earning $125,000 or less. the pause for the repayments for student loans extended one final time through december 31st, 2022, end of the year. and if you have undergraduate loans, you can cap repayment at 5% of your monthly income. all right, we'll hear it directly from him in a few hours. ladies, thank you very much. today, students in columbus, ohio, are heading back to virtual classrooms, while their teachers are headed back to the bargaining table as they strike for a third day. demonstrations began monday after demands for reduced class sizes and building improvements stalled last month. in the in-depth, the city announced it would create stations at nine recreation spaces across the city to help students with online schooling. nbc news correspondent meggy vespa is outside an elementary school in columbus. what do the teachers want, maggie? >> well, katy, you hit on the

pain points there. they want smaller class sizes and building improvements at every school, mainly, across columbus, and air-conditioning being mandatory in every school. a lot don't have working ac. and here they say, they don't believe those demands are exorbitant. and this again is day three of this strike, coinciding with what would have been the first day of school inside. that school and inside schools across the city, but teachers are hold strong to their demands. this union here in columbus, the state's largest district, representing more than 4,000 teachers and staff striking for the first time in nearly 50 years. and if there was any doubt that teachers were going to cave and come back to the classroom before those demands were met, this first day of classes with no teachers in the classroom completely erased those doubts. here's what the union rep told us earlier this week. >> this conflict is not about salary. our focus is accountability and fixing these schools.

show people that you are actually going to follow what the constituents want you to do, which is listen to your teachers, get this contract negotiated and get our kids back into schools. >> so the district is in a last-minute scramble. they found hundreds of substitute teachers including general substitutes and non-union staff like administrators to teach kids remotely on this first day of classes but a lot of kids are skipping school with their parents to come out here to the prth and picket alongside their teachers in support. we should add overnight, a new glimmer of hope. the district and teacher's union coming back to the bargaining table today to resume negotiations. we'll see how long a resolution takes. >> funding for schools across the country. just not being good enough, period. teachers don't make enough. school districts don't necessarily have enough money. and it's squeezing everybody, teachers and parents and communities alike.

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today, ukrainians should be celebrating their country's independence day and said ukraine is on high alert as the war with russia enters its sixth month, with fighting raging in the east, celebrations were canceled and in a statement overnight, president zelenskyy said independence day, well, it has a new meaning now for his country. that ukraine was essentially reborn when russia invaded. and more aid from the united states could be coming soon. president biden is expected to announce a $3 million military aid package for the country. that is the largest amount yet. nbc's megan fitzgerald joins me from kyiv, ukraine, and nbc's courtney kube, who's at the

pentagon. is it tense there right now? is there a concern that it's going to get bad today, since they should be in celebration mode? >> absolutely, katy. this is certainly a country that's on edge and fearful that an attack is imminent. but, you know, we're also talking about an incredibly grateful nation. people are grateful to the men and women who sacrificed their lives, the ultimate sacrifice in fighting for our ukraine's independence. and they're grateful for those who are still on the front lines battling the russians. but like you mentioned, there's no doubt about it, this independence day certainly feels different to the ukrainian people, because this war continues to rage on. and very unsettling here in ukraine for a lot of people. here in kyiv, where mass gatherings have been banned. people are told to hunker down and stay inside, work from home is the directive. and to really take heed to those air sirens when they go off and to take shelter. and you look at what's happening in the east. where the directive there is for

folks to stay inside until thursday morning. overnight, we saw unrelenting shelling in kharkiv. that's ukraine's second-largest city. the target there was residential buildings. we know five people have been injured as this war just continues to rage on. so usually, it would just be like it is in the united states for the fourth of july. festivals would be taking place, parties would be happening, mass gatherings, but today, people are scared. people are concerned, because it does feel to a lot of ukrainians that we've been speaking to that an attack from russia is imminent. >> all right. courtney, talk about the aid that is going to come ukraine's way. the largest package yet. what's in it? >> the largest package yet, and not just on this independence day that megan was just talking about, but it's also the six-month anniversary of the russian invasion. so symbolic for several reasons. this is different than some of the more recent aid packages that we've been hearing about. most often, when the u.s. announces these, it comes under what's calls a presidential drawdown authority. that essentially means that the

u.s. is providing equipment and weapons from the -- from their own u.s. stockpiles. this is different. it's called the ukraine security assistance initiative. so this $3 billion will draw from that. it means that it's actually taking equipment, weapons, from private industry. now, you'll remember, katy, earlier this year, the pentagon put out a call to private industry and said, look, we need to speed new capabilities, do more research, and get the ukrainians some very specific equipment and new weapons that they need to fight against russia. specifically, things like droned, unmanned earlier systems, some anti-air systems, anti-tanker, anti-armor and communications. this falls under that. we expect that as part of this announcement, which we hope to get at some point today, there will be some of these new capabilities. another difference, though, katy, is that these will not necessarily be in the hands of the ukrainians in a matter of weeks or months. in some case, it may be a year

or more. industry is getting the industry for them, but hasn't necessarily tested and fielded them all yet, katy. >> all right. so how does ukraine feel about their chances right now? i know the predictions were all that this was going to be a pretty long war. they've been trying to make sure that the west doesn't stop paying attention. the news cycle hasn't been as intensely focused on it any longer, as so many issues have come to the forefront here, at least in the united states. we're covering quite a lot of stuff. do they feel like they have what they need to -- i guess, what does winning look like for them? what does winning look like for them in the eyes of the united states? >> if you're president zelenskyy and the ukrainian government, you're never going to have enough. you're always going to be asking for more. the reality is, even if they're able to hold off, or in some cases push the russians back, they still face the onslaught of this large russian military that is able to continue to resupply

itself in most cases. they are still in an active conflict. you're right, it's not necessarily getting as much attention here in the u.s. that's why i see the biden administration continues to announce that these more packages and these new initiatives, to try to keep this in the american public space. and to try to continue to support the ukrainian military and the ukrainian government. >> courtney kube, megan fitzgerald, thank you very much, ladies. still to come, former trump national security adviser robert o'brien just sat down with the january 6th committee. what we know about his interview and where the investigation might be headed. ion might be headed. pool floaties are like whooping cough. amusement parks are like whooping cough. even ice cream is like whooping cough, it's not just for kids. whooping cough is highly contagious for people of any age. and it can cause violent uncontrollable coughing fits. sometimes followed by vomiting and exhaustion. ask your doctor or pharmacist about whooping cough vaccination

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we have also learned that former trump national security adviser robert o'brien sat down for an interview with the committee on tuesday. capitol hill correspondent ali vitali joins me now. what do you know? >> we were the first to report that the former national security adviser actually sat down with the january 6th committee. he was someone who had been on their list for several weeks. they had scheduled a meeting with him. then it was postponed. ultimately, that happened yesterday. but it marks a larger theme for the committee over the course of the month of august where chairman thompson confirmed they have been meeting with other members of the cabinet. we have seen some of those pop up during the hearings, but they are meeting with more of them including people like the former secretary of state as well as former transportation secretary and o'brien on top of that. all of that meant to flush out what was happening among cabinet members after january 6th. were they talking about invoking the 25th amendment, what was the

general theme of the conversations around the reel that the former president might have played in what happened on january 6th. and what it does tell us is that when the committee comes back in september, they have already brought us up in this timeline to january 6th itself. now it's clear that they are going to be looking at what came next, even as trump was still in office. those pivotal weeks when he was out of office. >> any idea when the hear rgs going to start again? >> all of us are waiting to see, the last time i talked to the chairman, he said they hadn't set any dates yet and it's clear they are still in big conversations around some potentially big conversations that they could have. the congressman confirming they are in talks with the former vice president mike pence. that's been a live taebt for this committee over the course of the last few months as they have been trying to figure out if they want to try to talk to pence or even want to talk to

trump. committee members that i have talked to said they acknowledge those are two completely conversations because of the way we have seen trump's orbit react to requests and the way we have seen pence's orbit react. it's striking when you consider the fact that pence publicly in new hampshire, by the way, said that he would consider a formal request from the committee. that tracks with what we have seen from other senior members who have needed subpoenas to go before the committee, but who ultimately have been cooperative to the point where some of them even testified publicly in those public hearings. >> it would be very different to talk to pence versus talking to donald trump. thank you. a quick note to everyone out there in case you didn't know, "electable" is out right now. go out and buy it. that's it for me this hour. i will be back. don't you worry. 2:00 p.m. eastern here on msnbc. but stay with us. "andrea mitchell reports" is next. a mitchell reports" is next

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good day, everyone. this is "andrea mitchell reports" in washington. as overnight results from this year's final elections before the midterms show the republican red wave may turn into a trickle. giving democrats new hope for november. the biggest signal a special lest win for democrat pat ryan in a bellwether swing district in new york. he campaigned on aboio