hey, everybody. good afternoon. i'm yasmin vossoughian in for chris jansing here at msnbc headquarters in new york city. right now we're just about 75 days away from the midterm elections, and one special house race may signal a major tide shift for november. in new york, democrat pat ryan defeated republican marc molinaro in a race experts are saying could be a national

bellwether, where voters made abortion rights the centerpiece of his campaign in a swing district. molinaro tried to tie democrats and the white house to high prices and the economy as well. ryan's win appears to show, once again, that abortion rights are a powerful motivator in helping democrats get people to the polls. as "meet the press" first put it out this morning, this red wave is looking much more like a ripple. and roughly 1,000 miles south of here in florida we now know who will take on republican governor ron desantis in november. it is a familiar name in that state, charlie crist. he's been the governor there before and he's running again. he told our colleagues on "morning joe" his plan to defeat desantis relies on not playing dirty. >> i'm going to beat him because i'm running on love and love always wins. and if he wants to run on hate and culture wars and dividing people and making people hate each other, that's his turf.

it's not mine. he's trying to tear my state apart. that's why i'm running against him. i don't care about the money he's got. >> a lot to unpack. let's get to shaq brewster with us from fort lauderdale covering the election results, we've got dasha burns covering the new york special and former biden campaign senior adviser, cristobal alex. welcome to you guys. let me start with you because i know you had a one-on-one with pat ryan after his win yesterday. what did he tell you? >> reporter: yasmin, this is significant. the first competitive congressional race since the supreme court overturned roe v. wade, and potentially the last real bellwether we're going to have ahead of the midterms and the signal we got out of this race is a hopeful one for democrats, that this abortion issue really does motivate and

galvanize voters. this was far from a guaranteed win for pat ryan. most polls had him trailing behind his republican opponent, marc molinaro, and this district, it's a swingy one and it's reflecting the national mood for the last several years. it went obama to trump to biden by a narrow margin. we knew this was going to be a close one. in my conversation with ryan this morning, i asked him if his campaign was ready for the flurry of calls from democratic strategists to sort of find out the secret sauce of this campaign. but the reality is this is not a one-off. we saw similar moves, similar shifts in kansas when that abortion -- anti-abortion amendment was on the ballot. nobody expected the overwhelming victory that democrats had in that campaign. and we're starting to see those sorts of trends in this primary season. i want you to take a listen to my conversation with pat ryan. i asked him about what message

his victory sends to the country. listen. >> i think the message is when fundamental rights and freedoms are under attack we have to stand up, we have to fight, we have to be strong and clear. when you do that, people rally. i mean, the issues at stake, reproductive rights, abortion access, are fundamental rights that transcend partisanship. we saw it in kansas, we saw it in new york, i think we're going to continue to see it. >> reporter: and the framing that ryan has been using is important to listen to. he's repeatedly connected the abortion issue with the issue of freedom. you heard that, also, in kansas. they really used the platform of government overreach, trying to reach across the aisle with that kind of rhetoric, too, that this is not a partisan issue. this is an issue of constitutional rights and freedoms, and that seems to be resonating with folks. i expect we're going to hear more similar rhetoric in the

months to come. we did get a statement from his opponent, marc molinaro, who told us that while this is not the outcome we hoped for, we knew this was an uphill battle when democrats scheduled the special election, on the same day as two democratic primaries with five candidates, pushing their turnout. he said they'll continue to look for solutions for upstate families. this is big, yasmin, and i think that democrats are going to be talking about this race up until november 8th. >> so i think one of the major questions coming out of this all, cristobal, and i'm going to go to you on this one, is how do you harness the special sauce when we're seeing what took place in kansas, what took place in this district in upstate new york. you're seeing the polling nationally across the country. if you are run ago midterm election, how do you harness this and go forward? >> that's a great question. i think the analysis we just heard was spot on. the message you heard from pat ryan is a very powerful,

compelling message. there's a lot of outrage in this country and for good reason. a right-leaning supreme court just stripped away a fundamental constitutional right. never before has that happened. what you saw in kansas where hundreds of people, thousands and thousands of people turning out in record numbers in a special election that we hadn't seen before, that kind of turnout. it's actually presidential level turnout. the new york race we saw, i think we can read a lot of positive into that. as a democrat i'm very excited about it. i think that signals where we're going forward in this country in terms of the midterms. we're just approaching the fourth quarter. i like to think about it, politics is a lot like a football game or any kind of sport where you have momentum going into the final stretch and that's critical. you can be down by a touchdown or two. but if you've got momentum going into the fourth quarter, which is post labor day you're going into the fourth quarter and you've got these wins under your belt. if you look at what the white house and democrats in congress have done, one win after

another, whether it's the inflation reduction act, today president biden announcing student loan forgiveness that is targeted and will lift low income folks, middle class folks out of poverty and help folks who have student debt. i think it's a very major win and i think if you look at the messaging and what's coming out of the supreme court decision in dobbs, it's going to fuel all of this interest. and a huge spike in outreach by democratic campaigns and others to really tap into that new interest from voters that may have been sitting on the sideline before. >> i like the point that you wrote and i want to read it for folks to understand where you're at with this, saying it was a battle between two competent contenders, showcasing their party's preferred messages, saying democrats on abortion, guns, democracy, republicans on referendum, inflation, crime, and you said there's no candidate quality problem to pin this defeat on. what did you mean by that? >> what i meant was that republicans put up their strongest candidate against what

democrats thought was their strongest candidate, and republicans fell short in this district. marc molinaro does not look or sound like an extremist. he is not an election denier. he has tried in the past to down play and moderate on the issue of abortion. it didn't work. it seems like voters are mad enough to show up and take out their anger with anything with an r by its name bus the republicans assembled the supreme court that overturned roe v. wade. i think pat ryan's attempt to reclaim freedom is something that democrats are doing a lot more of. we'll see how that plays out in the midterms. beyond that, marc molinaro also tried to run on messages that republicans believe are their strongest messages for the fall. he tried to make this a referendum on president biden, it didn't work, tried to make a referendum on inflation, tried to highlight crime as well in various parts of the race and that didn't work. so i think democrats can look at the fact that this district, which has made or broken

majorities in the past, it is a good sign. >> what's the reality on the ground in washington as you're talking to sources there in how they're feeling about specifically this race, this kind of bellwether race, what they're going to do going forward. are they as worried about losing control of the house as they were before? is this something that they can -- is everybody in the back room basically at campaign headquarters saying, all right, guys, this is what we've got to do to move forward? >> democrats are more optimistic today than yesterday about holding the house of representatives. it's still an uphill climb. it's not going to take an uphill wave. even a series of ripples will do, given the margins. but the democratic congressional campaign committee pointed out that there were 222 house districts that were more pro-biden than this one. that is the majority. if they can replicate this performance in the fall, they would be in a pretty good position to hold control. the big caveat, and this is in

marc molinaro's statement. i was mentioning it yesterday because republican strategist were telling me not to read too much into the results because it's scheduled as the other day of other primaries. this is a blue state and the republican turnout will be comparably better this fall. if so, the republicans still have a decent shot by claiming control of the house. >> we know you'll be watching closely. we want to head south to floor where shaq is. let's talk about former governor charlie crist. we just heard from him in the sound i played coming to you guys, essentially saying he's going to talk about more love, love wins, he says. he's not going to make this a hateful campaign, as he says the current governor is making it. he's not necessarily worried about the $130 million, i believe, war chest the current governor has as well. can this work? >> reporter: well, that will certainly be tested. let's be clear, charlie crist, even during the primary battle with nikki fried, he went after

desantis on both personality and policy. and, look, he's going to have to go after him with everything he's got. desantis is someone who has an approval rating above 50%. he has that national profile that he turned into that war chest that you described. that's a historic amount of money we're talking about before the general election even started. so already this morning in the hours after the primary ended, we're getting a sense of where these battle lines are going to be drawn. listen to what we heard from desantis last night and crist today. >> we will fight the woke and the businesses, we will fight the woke in government agencies, we will fight the woke in our schools. we will never, ever surrender to the woke agenda. florida is the state where woke goes to die. >> he is for the hard right, red meat vote of republican primary voters in iowa and new hampshire and his blind ambition for the presidency of the united states

of america has taken his eye off the ball of this most beautiful state in the country. >> reporter: now, yesterday's primary also finalized the senate battle here in the state of florida. val demings winning that primary race easily. she is going up against senator marco rubio. that is a candidate that also has popular identification on a national level. she's been able to raise a significant amount of money for a senate race. again, many people are seeing democrats in this state as the underdogs coming into this general election. no matter what, this is going to be an expensive fight that will get a lot of national attention. >> let's pick up on where shaq left off and specifically talking about the governors race there. i want to read for you what npr printed out, chris is going to have to sway some of the 7 million unaffiliated florida voters, registered republicans now outnumber registered democrats in this state. statewide races have often been

close. desantis himself won by about a single percentage point back in 2018. there is this idea, as we see in the polls, the current governor is pretty popular in that state right about now, especially amongst republicans. does crist even have a shot here? >> he certainly has a shot. as you pointed out, these races are always extremely tight on the margins, usually just a couple of percentage points. i'll tell you, what worriesme as a democrat about florida, desantis has a war chest of $140 million and i can't think of anyone who has had that kind of money. the challenge for democrats is going to be getting outside investors into the state, whether it's major national organizations, major donors, because democrats have been burnt the last few election cycles there. they're a little more gun shy about going into florida and spending that kind of money. the very first time i traveled with then vice president joe biden on a campaign swing was in

2014. we left california, on to vegas and then into miami to campaign with charlie crist and his lieutenant governor nominee, and that was an uphill battle. he knows the state extremely well and i think his message is solid. he could use a little tightening, but there's definitely a huge juxtaposition between what you heard from desantis, almost throwing red meat to the base, and what crist is doing. definitely got a shot. going to take a lot of money. val demings, by the way, extremely exciting candidate there and a lot of folks very excited about where she is in her polling right now. we didn't expect her to be ahead at this point in the game and she is now. >> do you see her having a shot against marco rubio? >> absolutely. i really do. >> thank you, guys, appreciate it. also in new york, these aren't the only races voters are going to decide this fall. they're also going to choose a new governor. we are counting down 100 key races across the country that

are less than 100 days from the midterms. here is where things stand now. kathy hochul will run against lee zeldin. the latest polls give hochul a double digit lead. and then a reminder, our plan our vote tool is here to help you successfully cast your ballot in the midterm primaries, no matter where you live. get key information on the voting rules in your area. head to nbcnews.com/planyourvote. coming up, new details surrounding the investigation into the former president and the highly sensitive material he was storing at mar-a-lago. what does that mean for national security? and a long anticipated announcement on student loan debt forgiveness. that could be a game-changer for millions of americans. what we expect to hear from the president and how it could reshape the midterms. that's ahead. you're watching msnbc. and auto insurance saves. isn't that right phil? sorry, i'm a little busy.

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hour, everybody. first lady jill biden just tested positive for rebound covid after testing negative yesterday. she's not had a reemergence of symptoms and will remain in delaware where she has restarted isolation procedures there. we are also learning more today about this highly sensitive material donald trump was storing in his mar-a-lago basement. the national archives has confirmed that more than 700 pages of classified documents were taken in january. some include the highest levels of classification used to identify only the government's most sensitive secrets. that is, by the way, in addition to the documents seized in the search earlier on this month. but despite this potential threat to national security, u.s. officials telling nbc news the country's top intelligence officials have not ordered a formal damage assessment. joining me to talk more about this, nbc's justice and intelligence correspondent den dilanian and a former law clerk to then judge sonya sotomayor.

ken, let me start with you, and just kind of understand if they really know, if there is a sense of how damaging this may be to national security. >> well, the fundamental question that goes to that issue, yasmin, is whether there has been an unauthorized disclosure. we know this stuff shouldn't have been stored in mar-a-lago in an unsecure location. but the further question that intelligence officials don't know the answer to, and neither does the fbi, is whether this got into the wrong hands somehow. so that's the first question they have to answer. but even if they don't know the answer to that, generally the intelligence community wants to go through some process protectively to determine, for example, whether any human sources are at risk, any technical intercepts are at risk. let's remember, this document shows that some of the most highly classified documents in the u.s. government were included in this hall.

ts/csi, special access programs that only a handful of the highest cleared people would be read in on. >> i guess my follow-up to that, ken, is why are they waiting or what are they waiting for in order to launch the formal damage assessment? i want to read what the dni says about the formal damage assessments, saying, damage assessments shall be conducted when there is an actual or suspected unauthorized disclosure or compromise of classified national intelligence that may cause damage to u.s. national security, going on to say, damage assessments may also be conducted when there is an actual or suspected loss, misuse or unauthorized access to or modification of classified national intelligence that could adversely affect national security. what are your sources telling you, ken, as to why this has not yet been launched? >> so it sure seems like those rules would call for an assessment in this case. but what our sources are saying are a number of things. one, there was a delay between the time the government first learned there were highly

classified documents at mar-a-lago in the january batch. there was a four-month delay before the fbi got a look at the documents. that happened in may. there hasn't been all that much time. but secondly, there seems to be some concern in the biden administration of taking any action that would appear to be political, of having any agency other than the independent justice department have its hands on this case. we're sensing that reluctance. there's a reluctance to put anything in writing that could later be subpoenaed by the president or anyone else who becomes a defendant. it's called gray mail, sometimes defendants in cases will subpoena this stuff and threaten to make it public. so there's a great reluctance to essentially write any secrets down as part of this process. but, look, what we are also being told, yasmin, is there definitely have been informal damage assessments. they're looking at these documents, trying to figure out whether there are any possible vulnerabilities here in the chance that there was an unauthorized disclosure. >> before i go to melissa, ken, can you just answer as to

whether or not a damage assessment, the results of a damage assessment would become public? would we see them? >> generally not. but the congressional committees have asked that it be done. and so the gang of eight may see it and the intelligence committees are likely to see it. and we could see some very heavily censored form of it. >> so, melissa, if in fact this damage assessment is launched, how could that play into the legal cases mounting against the former president? >> well, regardless of whether or not classified information was unsecured or disclosed, it doesn't necessarily matter for any of these statutes that were implicated in that search warrant. none of the statutes requires classified information, just simply information that could adversely affect the national security. and i think we've already established, based on the national archives letter, that indeed, this was information that had national security implications. so i don't know that that necessarily sheds light on that part of the case.

i think what the letter does shed light on is the president's state of mind. we've been speculating about what he could have been doing during this period of months where there was apparently negotiations between the fbi and the national archives and the former president about the return of these documents. and some had speculated that maybe this was merely negligence, and this letter and the fact that there's a back and forth that's been documented suggests that there's something that seems more like purposefulness in keeping these documents and not returning them to the national archives as requested. and so i'm actually quite surprised that the former president wanted this information to be public, because it seems quite damning. >> melissa, i just want to ask you one more question, and that's about this request from the former president's team for the appointment of a special master. what stood out to you about the judge's order in that? >> the judge's order was sort of the version of what even is this? the complaint that was filed in

the southern district of florida with this new judge was so shoddy and devoid of any of the markers of an ordinary pleading that even the judge was forced to ask for a do-over. and so she's basically asked them to do it again, to do it right, to provide a jurisdictional statement that shows why she should be the one to hear this as opposed to judge reinhardt, who is already handling an ancillary matter related to this case. >> this judge a trump-appointed judge, it's important to note. thank you. new warnings from ukrainian president zelenskyy on his country's independence day, as the united states announces another massive aid package six months into this war. what impact is it going to have? you're watching msnbc. we'll be right back.

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ready, saying that russia may unleash brutal strikes. and president biden just announced this morning a new aid package for ukraine today, worth as much as $3 billion. the largest batch of assistance as of yet. nbc's josh lederman is in kyiv, also with retired lieutenant general ben hodges, the former commanding general of the u.s. army in europe. josh, let me just start with you. as i mentioned a little earlier, the ukrainian president warning of possible brutal strikes on this independence day, six months into that war. did any of that bear out? >> reporter: well, so far, yasmin, it hasn't been nearly as bad as what a lot were fearing here in ukraine. we did hear from president zelenskyy today telling the u.n. that there was a russian strike on the railway station in the dnipro region. in kyiv we've heard the air raid sirens go off more than half a

dozen times today and the day is not over. many of the strikes that had been particularly damaging have taken place after nightfall so people are not letting their guard down quite yet. in the meantime, there's been a vibe of pride and defiance here in the capital and other places in ukraine today. we saw boris johnson, the prime minister of the uk here, making an announcement about more than 50 million pounds of a. the president of the united states announced the $3 billion package which includes new surface-to-air missiles for ukraine. in the streets of kyiv today we saw lots of people out and about in traditional clothing, some of them having draped themselves in the blue and yellow of the ukrainian flag, trying to signify that they are still here, standing strong, six months after a war started that president putin anticipated was going to be over very shortly. >> a country surviving amidst utter destruction they've had to experience over the last six months. josh, i know you've got to go. thank you for your reporting on

that. lieutenant general, let's dig into some of this and some of the reporting we heard from josh there and talk specifically about where russia is right now. early on in this war you actually predicted that russia would fail to take kyiv. that, in fact, is true. it seems as if they have now kind of stationed themselves in the eastern part of ukraine. do you believe that is where they will remain or they will continue to make gains west in ukraine or try to, at least? >> yasmin, thank you. russia has culminated, which means they don't have the ability to continue a large-scale offensive praying. their logistics system is exhausted, they have terrible manpower issues, they have leadership issues, and we know that war is a test of will and it's a test of logistics. russia's logistics gets worse every week, ukraine's gets a little better every week. and obviously from the video you just showed, there's no doubt about who has the superior will

here led by president zelenskyy. >> you've commanded u.s. troops throughout europe, lieutenant general. talk to me about what $3 billion in aid in addition to the billions of dollars they have gotten so far throughout the last six months, what it will do for the fight against russia. >> i'm proud of what the administration continues to do to show support for ukraine, but because this is about more than just ukraine, this is about tyranny versus freedom. and so why it's so important that the united states continues to rally support from all of our allies as well. the kind of things that are included in this package are important in the near term, air and missile defense, ammunition for long-range precision fires. and also, and this is important, the administration is doing things that will help ukraine in the long term, because even though i expect ukraine will push russia back to the 23 february line by the end of this

year, there's still going to be a massive requirement for security against russia in the coming years. so this package does some of that as well. >> i'm wondering, though, what it would take for russia to bail, to stop, because it doesn't necessarily seem as if vladimir putin has that intention, no matter what ukraine does here, despite the fact that his initial goals that he set out to accomplish when he invaded ukraine were not achieved. >> well, you're right. i don't think president putin has any intention of himself deciding, okay, this was a mistake, we're losing, let's get out of there. but what we are seeing, the symptoms of a collapse, the exhaustion of the russian logistics system, which i just mentioned, the fact that nobody wants to join the russian army and get into the fight. so a country like russia having trouble getting the soldiers

that they need. secondly, when you think about the russian black sea fleet, i mean, once the pride of the russian navy, it's hiding on the other side of crimea. ukraine does not even have a navy. but yet russia's fleet there will not come out and engage, the aircraft will not fly over ukraine, they choose to fly from inside russia and belarus and launch missiles against civilian targets. and then even today the defense minister said, hey, we're slowing down operations because we need to worry about civilian casualties. what a line. nobody believes him, but even there, they are acknowledging that they are failing. and i think we're going to see a crack here in the next couple of months. >> a huge admission, by the way, of russians, when it comes to something like this. lieutenant general, thank you so much. appreciate it. us f-15 fighters bombed

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at uvalde school. the board was set to meet in july but it was postponed twice. arredondo has come under intense public scrutiny over the response. texas education reporter brian lopez has covered the story and joins us now. brian, thanks for joining us. two postponements later, folks were calling for the firing of arredondo weeks after the shooting, after i was there on the ground reporting on this. and yet here we are and it still hasn't happened. how is the community reacting to this meeting that may take place this evening, that is taking place this evening, and the possible firing of the police chief? >> uvalde community is hopeful that they'll get some sense of closure tonight. they've been, like you've mentioned, pushing for arredondo to be fired, especially after the texas house committee report, one of the first to be on the scene with almost 400

officers. and they still took more than an hour to engage. so that's the hope for tonight for these residents who have been waiting for, like you mentioned, months now for a resolution and some closure. >> what is the likelihood a decision will be made? >> that's one of the, you know, things that we'll be looking for. we really don't know if this is going to be the end today or if there is going to be many meetings. one of the reasons this was postponed twice is because his lawyer was calling for it to be done the legal way. at the end of the day, this is a hearing, so he's going to present his side and he'll present his arguments, whatever those may be, and we'll see what the school board does. i will say if they do not do anything tonight, fire him tonight, there will be a lot

more outrage within the uvalde community. >> how is the community doing, brian, now that kids, especially, are back to school? >> it really depends on who you ask. i've been talking a lot to parents about the decisions they're making. some are going back to the district, mainly because they have no other choice. it's a working-class community, some parents are working, got to wake up at 7:00 a.m., get home at 6:00, deal with their families. others have the capability to, you know, go out of the district, go to private schools. the uvalde schools are offering an article knit as well. people aren't thinking about what is the best education, people are thinking about, where are they going to be the safest. you have people in buying bulletproof backpacks because of

this. things that people in this community never thought they would be doing. >> just a very difficult and sad state that we are in right now after such an incredibly tragic moment in that community. ryan lopez, thank you so much. we are also following breaking news out of the nation's capital. police confirming that five people have been shot in northwest washington, d.c. no word on their conditions. these are live pictures from the scene that you're looking at right now. it is right at north capital street, northwest, and o street, right off new york avenue. we're going to continue to monitor the situation and bring you the latest when we have it. pretty soon we expect a major announcement from the white house on student loan debt forgiveness. the amount is white house is considering canceling and what it could mean for the midterms. you're watching msnbc. we'll be right back.

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pell grants. the pause on student loan payments will also be extended until january. we want to bring in nbc's kelly o'donnell and the polling director at the harvard kennedy school's institute of politics and take us behind the scenes of the thinking of the timing of this announcement and what more we're going to learn from the president when we do hear from him. >> reporter: there had been a lot of pressure building on an answer for what president biden might do concerning student loans. there was a deadline coming up for the beginning of repaying loans, which have been on hold during the covid period where there's been a pause on repayment. part of what you mentioned was the package he'll announce. they're calling it a final extension to give people time to make plans to put that back in their budgets, to repay what they owe for january of the new

year. so that extension will be part of what people can get accustomed to. and now this new piece basis on income threshold and the type of loan that you may have in your student debt, this piece of loan forgiveness. some advocates had wanted more. the president was under pressure from his own party on the liberal side of his party to does as much as $50,000. he did not go that far. but many are saying this is a positive step in the right direction and of course republicans are viewing this quite differently and saying this is giving a benefit that skews to more affluent americans with higher levels of education, often graduate degrees and higher income earners and is regressive to blue collar workers who will end up ultimately paying this as members of the tax-paying community. so there is a lot of emotion when it comes to this, some who believe this is a very positive thing, which helps to relieve

the debt burden on something that is so critical in our society and others who see this as unfair. the timing is playing into the mid-term election where they want to have as many democrats motivated, not only by issues like abortion, which has certainly been a game changer in the landscape of politics at a time when democrats had been concerned about how they would energize their own base and this is one of their issues that has been a campaign promise. president saying he's delivering on a part of that today. let's talk about how both sides are reacting here. we got this tweet out from the president around 11:30 or so teasing this announcement he's going to be making about this student loan debt forgiveness. and then you have already this tweet out from kevin mccarthy essentially calling it a, quote, debt transfer scam. as a polling expert, how are you expecting voters to react to this? >> i think -- thanks for having me. i think the way voters are

reacting is it's less about policy and, in fact, i think it's transcending policy and it's a matter of young people, all voters remember specifically president biden promising to relieve $10,000 of student debt. the promise was made, promise will soon be kept. and young people the last several months have been questioning whether government can actually work and do big things, whether president biden was actually on their side. they know the incredible impact they made in electing him, if not for young people in arizona, michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin, georgia, donald trump is president today. we're having this conversation because young people showed up and now they're receiving i think a show of respect from the white house but also something that connects to what they're looking for, which is just some sense of financial independence. millions of young people, i think 90% of this relief is going to young people who make less than $75,000 a year.

this is going to be something that will affect this generation and potentially generations to come. >> and it really matters to young voters. i remember being outside of the supreme court and after the decision was leaked with regard to roe v. wade and in the same sentence some women were talking to me about abortion rights were also talking about student loan forgiveness and how the president needs to live up to the promises he made in his campaign. i want to play for you something outside of new york city, a reaction to this announcement that's coming and then we'll talk on the other side. >> looking at a world where students might not have to live with that burden would open a lot of doors and possibilities for them in general. and so i definitely vote with that in mind and i definitely -- i know looking at what biden has promised to, you know, knock down some of our student debt is something that really encouraged me to vote for him because i know the impact that that can have on my life personally and

of course hundreds of thousands of other students out there. >> so there's an idea of living up to the promises that you made in the campaign, a, but, b, there's also the importance of harnessing the power of a young voter and it seems as though this may help that. >> without question. again, president biden is not the president today without younger people. democrats don't hold the house or senate without young people in 2018. gen-z has turned the page with youth participation. and by understanding the tangible difference their participation can make, makes it much more likely they'll continue to participate in politics and in civic, civil society and more generally i think this is a very, very good day both for democrats but also

for the country generally seeing young people so willing to participate. and what they're asking for is just what their parents and grandparents had, an opportunity to pursue their dreams, pursue higher education without being in debt for decades. that's what they're asking for and now with some help that's what they're able to get. >> especially when you see the lack of wage increases as well in this country with inflation where it's at. but that's a whole other conversation. thanks so much. appreciate it. that does it for this hour, everybody. i'm going to be back in the chair for "chris jansing reports" at 1:00 right here. and you can catch me on weekends saturdays and sundays 2 to 4 p.m. eastern. also here on msnbc, katy tur is next. msnbc, katy tur is next its revolutionary rollerball design delivers fast, powerful, long-lasting pain relief. aleve it, and see what's possible. ♪♪

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good to be with you. i'm katy tur. we had our fingers in the air the other day to see which way the wind was blowing and today we're feeling a decent gust, a gust of good news for democrats. the overturning of roe v. wade changed the political atmosphere for the mid terms. case in point, new york's 19th district where democrat pat ryan won by putting abortion front and center in his campaign to beat marc molinaro who was running on crime and cost of living. >> when the s c