with ari melber. you can find me online or @arimelber.com. as we sign off. "the reid out" with joy reid is up next. tonight on "the reid out" -- >> with what's -- what appears to be left in this district, that is an incredibly steep hill to climb to make up basically 3300 votes with what we know to be left in this district right now. pat ryan, the democrat, is in a -- there it is. nbc news has just called it. pat ryan, the democrat, has been elected to congress in a special election from new york's 19th congressional district. he defeats republican mark molinaro. >> our very own steve kornacki calling the victory in a bell weather special election where

reproductive rights were very much on the ballot. a strong indication that as some of us were trying to tell y'all, the supreme court nuking abortion rights has shifted the mid-term election to democrats. val demming is taking on senator marco rubio in florida. also tonight, new reporting from the washington post on trump's delay tactics as the government tried to retrieve classified documents that were improperly in his grasp. president biden makes good on a campaign promise and as a result millions of people will get badly needed student loan debt relief. we begin "the reid out" tonight with a game changer for democrats. now if you hear a giant sucking sound, it could be the wholesale deflation of republicans hoping to gain control of congress this fall. after tuesday's election results in new york and florida show that their planned red wave in the november mid-terms could be looking more like a red wheeze.

the biggest sign of the night, the special election in bell weather district in new york state where democrat pat ryan defeated mark molinaro. why is one in upstate new york so important? because the democrat ryan campaigned on protecting abortion rights and molinaro talked about inflation and crime. take it from big board wizard steve kornacki last night. >> i think this is the clearest, this is the strongest piece of evidence yet, and there have been other pieces of evidence in the last few weeks, to suggest that the national political climate has shifted away from a republican advantage towards a more neutral climate, neutral climate that gives democrats a chance certainly of holding onto the senate, potentially to holding onto the house of representatives. when you get a result like this,

this is not the result you would get -- you would expect to see in a strongly republican political climate. >> today congressman elect pat ryan spoke with nbc's dasha burns about the message from voters. >> i think the message is when fundamental rights and freedoms are under attack we have to stand up, we have to fight and be strong and clear. when you do that, people rally. i mean, the issues at stake, reproductive rights, abortion access are fundamental rights that transcend partisanship. we saw that in kansas, last night in new york, i think we're going to continue to see it. >> ryan's district, new york's 19th, is one of several special recent elections where democrats have overperformed. before the supreme court's dodd's decision. one in minnesota, new york last night, democrats cut into the

former president's margin of victory by at least 5 points. meanwhile, in florida, democrats chose their fighters for two of the most consequential elections this fall. charlie crist won the democratic primary to challenge mini trump and top gun play governor ron desantis. last week senate minority leader mitch mcconnell conceded that republicans may fail to gain control of the chamber due to candidate quality issues. last night one of his current flocks, marco rubio, saw his worst nightmare come true as congresswoman val demings sailed to victory over three opponents to take on little marco in november. joining me now is jamie harrison. jamie, if i could get my words out today. i'm flubbing them all over the place. talk to me about the message last night. the ryan win seemed to be particularly salient.

he beat molinaro who is a much better known politician. what does that say to you? >> last night showed across the country voters are excited to defeat these extreme republicans who are running for congress. these are folks who don't believe in choice, who don't believe in reproductive freedom, who don't believe in voting rights, who, hell, are against helping veterans and prescription drugs. the last five since the dobbs decision including what happened in kansas are showing people are fed up, tired of it and they're pushing back and not going to be silent anymore. >> did you feel like republicans sort of misread the landscape? they're still talking about crime and inflation, gas prices have been down for, what, 60 something days. mitch mcconnell assailed president biden for for giving student loans which young voters really like. are they misreading the landscape? >> they are misreading the landscape. democrats are doing something, joy, that we don't always do

well, which is we are defying the republicans for their extremism but we are also out there selling about the issues how we have delivered. just look at joe biden on the student loan, not only did he deliver on his campaign promise, he over delivered in terms of what he's doing for the pell grant program and those folks who receive pell grants. this is just one of so many things. he's got inflation reduction act, the chips act, the pact act, violence against women act. we can go on and on and on how democrats, joe biden and kamala harris, have delivered in these two years with a 50-50 senate, that's on a good day, almost a less than 5 seat majority. >> i saw that. you come from a state that got written off for many, many, many a decade. florida, you and i know each other. i've been very dubious about my former home state florida. should we be rethinking the possibilities of the statewide

candidates, val demings and charlie crist in florida. >> i've been talking to val about whether or not she's going to run for governor or the united states senate. val demings is the real deal, folks. we need to double down to do all we can to help her and charlie beat back against rubio. think about rubio, desantis and scott. that is like the triumbred of despair. we have to help florida out. all across the country, we need to do everything we can to help florida out because val demings and charlie crist. >> the triumbred of despair. jamie harrison, thank you so much. he ka imto talk tonight. let's bring in congresswoman val demings after her big -- i still call you congresswoman. congratulations on last night. what do you think that the

message that voters are sending in choosing you, in choosing charlie crist out of the pack of candidates in each of your races. what message are you hearing in these elections? >> joy, it's great to be back with you. listen, i could listen to our chairman jamie harrison when he's talking the talk he's talking tonight. look, we lon the primary, a four-way primary with 84 plus percent of the vote. i think the voters of florida sent a strong message that they want someone who is going to fight for them. we are fighting. as my friend and former colleague john lewis said, for the very soul of our nation. when people think it's okay to take away a woman's constitutional rights, who's next? so we -- florida voters want a fighter. they're sick and tired of the same old politicians with the same old tired talking points talking about what they're going to do but leaving the majority of florida voters out.

we're excited about last night. we're more excited about what's going to happen in november. >> so we know that the abortion issue has changed the entire game plan. it's changed the entire game plan for democrats. it's changed the game in our current politics. how is that issue, do you think, going to red ink florida. i know how difficult it is to rouse florida voters, even places like broward county where i used to live. it's a struggle. how do you motivate voters, voters of colors. is that the issue that's going to get them to actually turn out and vote? >> you know, joy, florida is my home state. i was born and raised here. opportunities to live other places. never wanted to. i wanted to stay and make florida the state i know it can be. congressman ryan said it best. he said choice and freedom were on the ballot. guess what, choice and freedom, in his words, won last night. as i travel the state from the panhandle down to the keys and

red and blue counties, i hear of course the voters talk about inflation, of course they talk about the price of gags and goods and services, but they always talk about constitutional rights and the what's next. i think justice thomas clearly telegraphed, yeah, it's women's rights now. people might think that's not their issue, but what's next? is it equality? is it voting rights? is it contraceptives? what's next. people are scared and worried about that and, yes, it is a tough issue. look, for charlie crist and me, we are here to fight for the right to choose. we're not going back. this is a fight that we're well up for. >> okay. i need to play a clip from the -- monday's show, monday night's show. your name came up as did a very, very important and very wonderful celebrity. this is fernand amandi. here's fernand and what he had

to say about you guys. >> val demings is like pam greer. you're not going to mess with that chick. she's going to come over and kick your you know what. rubio is scared. that's why you see the whiney little email. >> surprise to the viewers and also potentially to the wonderful val demings. foxy brown. herself in the house. i can't even -- jackie brown. i mean, come on. hey, pam greer. >> congratulations, congresswoman val demings. >> oh, my gosh, the amazing -- >> i'm beyond joy. just throw me in the -- >> thank you. >> listen, i love everything about you but you went to east high school. we can talk about that later. listen, tell me from your point of view because people in your position, ms. greer, are always important in elections because you all are motivators. people who are famous,

celebrities, you guys are voices that they won't listen to a person on tv or a politician but they will listen to you all. for you, what do you think are the most important issues people should listen to in the elections coming up, particularly in florida? >> yeah. most people want employment. they want to feel uplifted. they want to feel like they count, they matter. the democrats, we have been studying with the electronic movement, the i.c.e., the conversion, gasoline to ev. you can convert your hoopde into an ev for 3 to $5,000 because most cannot afford the trickle down but 100 million people can if you do that for them. now we've got an ipo that could be the starbucks of conversion garages which will create employment, create your own batteries. u.s.a. made proud and then we have the water making machines. we're losing our water. it's getting hot out there.

pretty soon they won't be able to make our crops. you have water making machines for every home in america. they do it at the bases in iraq and afghanistan. they freeze the coils, blow warm air. water for the troops. why don't we have water making machines in our homes so we don't tax the water that they grow up with. the solar movement. the ev. the conversion garages. we're now creating employment. pride, priority, u.s.a. made. that's what people want to feel like they're a part of the solution, not a part of the problems. >> well, i want to go to you, congresswoman. here's the thing. is that for younger people between student loan debt and the climate, which i think what pam greer talked about, loans are really important issues to young voters. what can be offered? florida is the sunshine state. you would think it would be out ahead in terms of green energy. >> those are really the

priorities and look, joy, as you well know, we just passed the inflation reduction act lowering the cost of prescription drugs, lowering the cost of health care but it is the most aggressive historic piece of legislation to deal with climate change. we know our young voters are scared about that just like ms. greer indicated. they care about entrepreneurship, but think about the millions of jobs that will be created just through our efforts to protect our environment. but, look, my opponent marco rubio voted against the inflation reduction bill. couldn't give a win to democrats or this administration. but let me say this, marco rubio sent out an email saying his campaign was a disaster. i don't agree with him on much, but i agree with him on that. >> he needed money. he's a bit desperate for money. he did beg for it. pam greer, i have to ask you this. how do we motivate -- young people i think are fired up because particularly the roe v. wade issue. the issue of abortion has gotten

people to focus. what else would you say to people who say i don't know if my vote counts? >> they have a future. it's not the end of the world. tomorrow is going to come. it always has come. there's one thing that we can count on is nothing lasts forever, but we all move on. our life moves on and those people think of the future. look at all that they've created. we have cell phones. we never thought we'd have cell phones. we have cars that drive themselves. we never thought of that. we have innovation. these kids, they've been playing zoom and, you know, playing games and stuff. they're very creative. they've learned from us and they have to feel that they have a future. that's the dystopia, when you don't have hope. you're going to have depression. you're going to have an entire community of tribal dysphoria, discourse. we need to sit with them and say, we can do this. come to the table. we have to. if we don't -- we drink water.

we don't drink oil. >> amen. >> we flush with water, we don't flush with oil. we have to stay center grounded where we come from and where we're going or we can't move forward. >> thank you for being here and surprising the wonderful val demings. >> congratulations, best of luck in your race. thank you both for being here. up next on "the reid out." new reporting on how the white house lawyer said he should return the documents and yet he didn't. read out continues after this.

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we're learning more tonight about the efforts from the national archives to retrieve classified documents from donald trump after he left the white house including the trump former white house counsel pat cipollone agreed the documents needed to return. the washington post is reporting on an email that the national archives sent to trump's lawyers in may of last year where the agency's counsel wrote the following, it is also our understanding that roughly two dozen boxes of original presidential records were kept in the residence of the white house. over the course of president trump's last year in office and have not been transferred to nara despite a determination by pat cipollone in the final days of the administration that they need to be. cipollone had been designated by

trump to the archives. it was not the only attempt by the agency's chief counsel to try to get those documents back. the post adds throughout the fall of 2021 national archives attorney gary stern continued to urge multiple trump advisers to help the archives get the records back according to people familiar with the conversations. trump only decided to give some of the documents back after stern told trump officials that the archives would soon have to notify congress and stern told trump advisers that he did not want to escalate and notify congress, these people said. we just want everything back was his message, according to one trump adviser. joining me is charles coleman jr. and clint watts, msnbc national security analyst and former consultant with the fbi counter interest or rimp unit. clint, i want to start with you. everything about this report shocked me anew. the fact that trump was keeping

vital records and things with national security clearance in the residence of the white house and he transported them from the residence of the white house to his house in florida and kept them for 18 months even as pat cipollone was getting urgent emails saying we need these things back. i am still stunned again. your thoughts? >> yeah, we always say you've got to keep positive control of items that are sensitive in nature, especially when you're in government. those are always, always stored under lock and seal with close supervision. anything that would move out of a skiff, that's a sensitive compartmentalized facility, top secret is tracked. you would carry it in locked bags. you would have a courier system, you would have a chain of custody. that these were floating into the residence is even more problematic. who knows who was in the residence. we have seen over the last few years, we don't know who was there or who was visiting and

who might walk off with things or see things who should not have seen them. we also know over the last six years a lot of people in the administration could not get security clearances or were not able to get security clearances. add to that, all of that information was taken down to mar-a-lago is particularly problematic. what i find problematic is the national archives knew what was missing and they seemed to have had a pretty detailed understanding of what was missing. this went on for a year and a half. we know you have documents, we'll give them back. they gave some. why in the end did a search warrant have to turn up the last remaining documents? clearly somebody knew what those documents were and did not want to give them up. i'm curious what was so important they needed to keep them in an unsecure location down in florida. >> see, right. charles coleman, this is what bugs me about the story. the washington post piece identifies specifically the kim

jong-un letter and a letter president obama had written to donald trump as things that he had in his residence. well, that's one thing, right, but the things that are marked highly secret, highly sensitive, it also says that donald trump had a habit, when he was president, of having a just bring him documents, which as clint just said, should have been in a skiff, controlled environment, bring them to the residence so he could review them. the fact that they were not secure when he was a president is a problem for me. then the fact that it took 18 months for there to be a search warrant. they let him linger with these national security documents that they knew were sensitive. some of them could have been related to our nuclear materials. how in the world was he allowed to keep those things for 18 months? why wasn't that search warrant served 18 months ago? >> well, joy, i think you've asked the million dollar question. i think if there's any criticism

to go to the government in this instance is that it perhaps waited too long to really get tough with donald trump and go in and get those documents. i think that being a former president gave him a certain benefit of the doubt, certain cache where you didn't want to go to court and get a search warrant as we've now seen, this is unchartered water, unprecedented history that we are witnessing. i can understand some delay, but the delay to the extent that they did, particularly when they knew the level of sensitivity about the documents that were missing, is almost inexcusable. what i will say is this. there are two positives that can be taken from today's report, they are, number one, they boxed donald trump in inasmuch as they take away two of his biggest defenses that he likes to rely on. number one, ignorance, i.e.,, i didn't know this was something i was doing. >> yes. >> or intent. meaning i thought this wasn't necessarily a bad thing. he cannot say this around this narrative because it has come out that not only he had been aware but pat cipollone and

other people in his camp had been told that he needed to return these things. i see that as a positive. the other sort of positive very quickly is it also disrupts his current narrative they've tried to paint in the court of public opinion, they showed up and ran sacked mar-a-lago to come in and take these documents. no, you've known about this for a long time and you had ample opportunity to arrange a peaceful transfer of these documents back to their rightful owners and you chose not to do it. i think this disrupts the narrative entirely. >> right. exactly. let me read a couple more things from those of you who didn't read this. people familiar with the episode said trump himself oversaw the process of packing the 15 boxes that were given back to the national archives in january and did so with great secrecy, declining to show some items to his top aides. one more thing, in trump's inner circle concern has been rising since june that the former president has created legal jeopardy for himself, according to multiple people in this

orbit. clint, the fact that trump was allowed to review the things that were going back, the fact that he had custody of them so long and still was allowed to be a part of the process of looking at what was sent back to me seems completely irregular, completely destructive to our national security. does that to you? >> it does. it seems president trump was filtering the documents. why would he pick out things that were unique to him? that doesn't make any sense. big picture, these were in unsecure environments and everyone has a cell phone in the modern era. >> that's right. >> just imagine all of this period with sensitive documents, we have no way of knowing at least at this point who has those documents, where they've gone. i'm not saying pictures were taken and things were transferred but, wow, this is something that would never happen when you have it in a controlled environment the way it's supposed to be taken care

of. when you look at it now, president trump is directly involved in it. he had lots of knowledge in each step of this. his lawyers were aware and seem to be aware of the jeopardy he was in. then it really brings up that last point which is what is the source of what was remaining? it sounds like there definitely was an informant and there were people concerned around those documents around there. >> that leads you to wonder, what was in those documents? pictures taken, copies made. we don't know. he had 18 months to make copies if he wanted to. that is terrifying. it should scare every american. thank you both very much. still ahead, a game changer from the biden administration with a big announcement on student loan debt relief. stay with us. she's in austin between a fresh bowl of matcha and a fresh batch of wireframes. and you can find her, and millions of other talented pros, right now on upwork.com woman tc: my a1c stayed here, it needed to be here. doctor tc: ruby's a1c is down with rybelsus®.

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51 years ago in 1971, the 26th amendment was ratified. it lowered it from 21 to 18. it was the result of a decades long campaign dating back to world war ii when the slogan old enough to fight, old enough to vote was born. the phrase was later adopted by student activists during the vietnam war. saying you could fight for your country, you could die for your country but you couldn't vote for or against the politicians who send you to war. it didn't make sense. something president dwight d. eisenhower, the supreme commander in the second world war raised in his 1954 state of

the union address. >> for years people between 18 and 21 have, in time of peril, been summoned to fight for america. they should participate in the political process that produces this fateful summons. i urge that congress propose to the states a constitutional amendment permitting citizens to vote when they reach the age of 18. >> the movement to lower the voting age began to gain traction. those efforts paid off when in 1971 the 26th amendment was ratified in 100 days, faster than any other amendment. it was president nixon, eisenhower's vice president at the time of that 1954 address, who got to host the signing ceremony at the white house taking the unprecedented step of inviting three 18-year-olds to sign the new amendment as well. there you have it. historical footage when it shows republicans wanted more americans to vote.

president nixon's campaign directly targeted these new young voters to support his re-election when they won 52% of the youth vote in the 1972 presidential election. he would say young people played a role in nixon winning by a landslide. i tell you this to give you a statistic that is relevant to today. namely this. back in 1972 when those same young people were entering college, the average cost for enrollment was about $1500 for a public college and about $3,000 for private one. now of course there's a wide range of college costs, but today's tuition and fees are nowhere near that. try a whopping 21,000 to 48,000 per year on average. talk about inflation. which is why once again young voters are thrust into the center of a searing debate. with president biden announcing his student loan forgiveness

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to $20,000 for those who went to college using pell grants all for those for people who earn less than $125,000. they extended the repayment of student loans until january. 45 million people have student loans and more than half of them owe less than $20,000. a recent poll asked voters what they thought. 71% said they support wide scale loan cancellation. that includes 56% of republicans and 66% of independents. congressional republicans signed off for a $1.2 trillion payoff for businesses. joining me is congresswoman ayanna pressley and, congresswoman, just if you isolate just black families alone, cut two for my producers. black families with loan debt,

32%. white families, 22%. hispanic families with loan debt, 14%. it is actually a big deal, particularly for families of color. do you think that this winds up resounding to the political benefit of democrats in the fall? do you think that's why biden did it? >> democrats win when we deliver and when people can feel the transformative impact, the meaningful impact, the day-to-day impact of our policies and our advocacy on their behalf and this is transformative. this is an unprecedented step to alleviate the burden that people are feeling to the tune of a $2 trillion crisis. while i know we've been very focused in your most recent clip there, joy, about the benefit to young people, this is affecting people from every, every walk of life and the fact that 23 million people will have their debt reduced in half. 20 million people will have their debt canceled outright.

one in four black borrowers, their debt will be gone. so this is transformative. they will feel the impact of this and this is sound policy and that is an economic justice issue and a racial justice issue and a gender justice issue and 2/3 of this debt is bore by women and it is good politics. good policy and good politics. >> now we have to get to the counterpoint. i want you to hear what some of the people are saying on the other side. we know this was a big policy of bernie sanders and that's why a lot of young people liked him. it was something president biden adopted. neat at that turner tweeted more should be done. why stop at 10,000? why stop at 20,000? cancel all student debt. what do you say to people who say it's not enough? >> joy, i have to just acknowledge where we started. when the issue of student debt cancellation was introduced into the national discourse, people sought to marginalize the issue. many thought student debt

cancellation was regressive. there was a harmful narrative. it would only benefit white graduates and that is not true. this is about educators who have sleepless nights because they can't meet the monthly minimums and pay for child care who took on this debt because they want to educate our babies. this is about 76-year-olds on fixed incomes still paying student loans who fear they're going to die paying on these loans. they owe more than they took out. 85% of black students have no choice. i was one of those students. that is not abstract to me. i struggled to pay off my loans. i have and i want better for the next generation. joy, we know we have to deal with the root causes of higher education. we need to invest in tuition free community college, hbcus

and we need to expand pell grants. this is impactful. it is a bold step and it is transformative and it will be felt. >> i have very little time left but there is the other argument too. rick scott worth $259 million who did tweet this from a yacht and the washington post who said the loan forgiveness program said it is bad. it's regressive. takes money from the tax base made up of workers who did not go to college. what do you say to people who say that? >> wow, they are really disconnected from lived experiences and hardship of everyday people. there's a reason why we were able to get organized labor behind this from afl-cio to aft, nea. naacp and many other groups that have worked with us on this, because this -- this is a burdensome issue. this is no handout. our colleagues across the aisle don't know what a hand up looks

like. that's why they didn't want to give a child tax credit, that's why they didn't want to give stimulus checks or make sure they remain safely housed. democrats are connected to the pain that everyday people are experiencing and we are doing something about it, which is why we passed the inflation reduction act and which is why today this unprecedented step by president biden heeding our calls. joy, this has been two years of blood, sweat and tears and you will not break my soul. >> well, there you -- quoting beyonce, too. congresswoman ayanna pressley. thank you very much. appreciate that. let's bring in former congressman carlos carbella. what would be your answer? >> joy, good evening. i certainly understand the perspective. for me, the biggest issue with this decision is that it's going to encourage more young people

to get into this system where they are paying colleges and universities a lot more than the product that they're getting back. i mean, this is the fundamental problem here, right? colleges and universities are charging absurd amounts that aren't worth what they're charging. the government and taxpayers are part of this scheme. this is going to create the expectation for a lot of young people who should decide, how much should i take out? well, maybe this will be forgiven in the future. maybe a portion of it will be forgiven? so we're really sucking more people into a system that has failed young people and students for quite a few decades. that seems to me to be the biggest problem. >> i don't think i understand your argument. if what you are saying is college is very unaffordable based on what you're able to get back then how can you argue that it's not a good idea to relieve

to build the debt up. >> let me ask you, joy, where's the accountability here? if the colleges and universities are overcharging, why aren't they refunding these students this money? why do they get to keep the money? why do american taxpayers have to subsidize this broken system? that's the problem with this decision that we're just encouraging. we're further encouraging this system because now we're going to create an expectation that, hey, it doesn't matter how much you take out in loans and pay x or y college or university because, you know, in the future we're just going to forgive 10, 15, $20,000? don't you see the moral hazard there? we're feeding a system. the people who get paid at these colleges and universities, they make a good amount of money. they have great pension systems. why aren't they giving some of this money back. >> i taught at a couple colleges. i can tell you -- and my mother was a college professor. they ain't getting rich doing

that. did you feel the same way about the ppp system? under the former president, donald trump, billions, trillions of dollars was given away to big corporations, to the airline industry. there was also a huge give away to farmers to subsidize them because the president was losing the rural about. we are talking about giving away billions and billions, and billions of dollars to big corporations, to big farms, big agriculture. did you oppose that? >> yeah, that program was deeply flawed and, by the way, the fact that a lot of wealthy families, a lot of retirees really did not need it, my parents, for example, they are not wealthy, but they are okay. i mean, they have social security, they have, you know, my dad has a pension. he got checks from the government during covid. they did not need it. all these programs, joy, they create more inflation and by the, way for democrats who are in a little bit of a win streak here, and building some momentum, now they take this,

they make this decision that is going to create more inflation, more demand for goods. because it's basically a -- >> we are not economists and there are people on both sides, but i would like to ask a question because you are from florida and i lived in florida, so i have to ask you a floor question. i want to play the current governor, on a different turn here. here's the current governor of your state. take a look. >> i'm just sick of seeing, i know he says he's going to retire. someone needs to grab that little elf and shook him across the potomac. >> is that appropriate? >> i don't think so, joy. and i mean, that's the culture that donald trump has promoted inside the republican party. and to some degree, in this country. and that is regrettable, you know? that kind of rhetoric, i know why the governor is doing it. he wants to single till the trump base that he is with them and that, you know, he's one of them. that is not my style. it never has been. i don't think it's appropriate. >> carlos curbelo, i love that we can and on a note of agreement. thank you very much. i appreciate, you always

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gunman murdered 19 students and two teachers at robb elementary school in uvalde, texas, the texas school board is meeting right now to decide whether to fire the schools police chief, pete arredondo. arredondo, you may remember, was leading the charge that day as hundreds of heavily armed officers rushed to the scene. in a matter of minutes, but waited more than an hour before entering the fourth grade classroom where the shooter was. while children inside repeatedly, repeatedly called 9-1-1, begging for help. just moments ago, members of the community gave emotional public remarks before -- went behind closed doors to make the decision. >> our babies are dead, our teachers are dead, our parents are dead. the least y'all can do is show us the respect to do this in the public. >> you guys don't care squat about these families. you don't care squat about

these families. if it was one of your children, heads would be rolling right now. but because it's not, you don't care! >> i have messages for pete arredondo and all the law enforcement that were there that day. turn in your badge and step down. you don't deserve to wear one! >> joining me now from uvalde is nbc news correspondent, priscilla thompson. that is heartbreaking. priscilla, what are you hearing from parents? i know that they are meeting behind closed doors right now, but what our parents telling you? >> yeah, joy, they've been beating behind closed doors for over an hour here and we actually just heard one community member get on the microphone while the board members were not in there and say, they need to quit wasting our time. come out and tell us what the decision is going to be, so that we can all go home. and so, the frustration and the tension has been growing over this past hour. you played that sound from one of the public comment began around five. people were allowed to speak during that public comment.

each for about a minute and it was very emotional. there was a lot of anger. of course, continuing to call for the chief to be fired and also going a step further and saying that this should not be happening behind closed doors. it should be done publicly and before they went into that closed-door session, the board said that they had received this letter from pete arredondo's attorney, and they needed to review that with their attorneys. i want to talk about this. it is a 17 page statement that was released, and i want to quote part of it saying, chief arredondo will not participate in his own illegal and unconstitutional public lynching. his attorney is saying that this is a violation of his constitutional right to due process. they are clearly not happy about the way this is going at all. going so far as to say that pete arredondo did everything he could in this situation, anything that a reasonable officer would and saying that more lives may have been lost,

had they engaged the shooter more and possibly lead to a firefight in the hallway with bullets going through other classrooms. so, so much being said in this 17 page statement, the most notably, calling for the police chief to be reinstated with back pay and benefits. something that none of the families that we've spoken to or heard from tonight would like to see happen at all. they want his badge turned in immediately. school here is expected to start in less than two weeks and parents are saying, they are not going to send their students back here, especially if chief arredondo remains in this position of power. so, still a lot of anger and now even more uncertainty, just to sort to give you some context. the board actually was scheduled to meet about firing the chief last month, and that was postponed because arredondo's attorney was alleging that this was a violation of his constitutional rights.

and now we are hearing with this new letter that there is the potential that they could delay this decision once again, something that certainly would not bode well for all of the people who turned out today, to express their concerns. joy? >> wow, priscilla thompson, that is excellent reporting. thank you very much. what a letter, thank you very much. appreciate that. that is tonight's read out. wow, that's a lot. all in with chris hayes starts now. with chris hayes starts now. tonight on all in, -- >> we won because this was a referendum on freedom. >> we won because this was a referendum on freedom. -- may have trouble winning elections. >> republicans should be very, very, scared this morning about their prospects. >> tonight, national political shockwaves from an election in upstate new york. then, it just gets worse at mar-a-lago, where donald trump reportedly refused to return the most sensitive secrets american intelligence holds. plus, y