good day, everyone. this is "andrea mitchell reports" in washington. this hour a major deadline in the fbi's seizure of classified documents from donald trump. the federal government has to file its proposed redactions with the judge, deciding whether to release the affidavit justifying the mar-a-lago search. so we'll bring you any developments of course as soon as we get them from the court. but first, praise and criticism as president biden fulfills a key campaign promise to cut american student loan debt. 43 million americans have student debt and an average of $36,000 each. the president proposing up to $20,000 debt forgiveness for some, half as much for most.

>> i believe my plan is responsible is fair. it focuses the benefit on middle-class and working families. >> so will it help or hurt the president and democrats politically? today opinion sharply divided. >> i voted for the president specifically for this issue. $20,000 for pell recipients would be a major victory. >> i just feel it's a little slap in the face to those who worked hard to pay it off. >> also today restrictive abortion bans taking effect in oklahoma, tennessee and texas. combined with state bans already in effect since the supreme court overturned roe v. wade. 1/3 of american women now live in states where abortion procedures are either banned entirely or very severely curtailed. but in idaho a judge has temporarily blocked part of the state's new law for conflicting with federal health care guarantees. first, though, to student loans. joining us now, nbc news chief

white house correspondent and "weekend today" co-anchor kristen welker. msnbc correspondent tremaine lee in houston, texas. and nbc news capitol hill correspondent ali vitali. kristen, first to you. the president vigorously defending this decision, but also he's getting pushback from republicans and some centrist democrats. >> that's absolutely right, andrea. and i think the timing of this announcement is important context. the president making this announcement that he's going to halt student loan payments until january ahead of the deadline when it was set to expire next week and also ahead of the all-important midterm elections as well as giving $10,000 of debt relief for those making less than $125,000. it is getting some praise from some of his allies, for example, the ceo of the national housing conference saying that it's one of the most consequential administrative actions to date. on the other hand, you do have some criticism of this coming from republicans. you have mitch mcconnell saying

i think it's a bad idea, underscoring some of the criticism that we've seen from republicans and some economists who have argued that this could add to inflationary pressures. now, the white house says that ultimately in the long run it will not do that. but also, andrea, criticism from some democrats as well. tim ryan in ohio saying that waiving debt for those already on a trajectory to financial security sends the wrong message. senator catherine cortez masto also critical as well. president biden on defense. take a listen to what he had to say. >> i find it interesting how some of my republican friends who voted for those tax cuts and others think we shouldn't be helping these folks. >> is this unfair to those who paid off their student loans or chose not to take out loans? >> is it fair to people who in fact do not own multimillion-dollar businesses and want to see these guys get all the tax breaks? is that fair? what do you think?

>> reporter: now, today president biden a little bit later on will be having his first campaign stop officially in maryland with the dnc. and he will tout what he he sees as his accomplishments. the inflation reduction act. and i anticipate you will hear him talk about his big announcement yesterday on this student loan debt relief. but of course the big question looming over all of this, will this do more to energize those younger voters who this really impacts or could it energize voters who are critical of this and who feel as though it is unfair? andrea. >> and tremayne lee, kristen, is joining us from texas southern university, a historically black university. so what are students there telling you? how is this going to help them? >> andrea, you mentioned texas southern is a historically black college. he with mow black borrowers disproportionately carry more debt.

in fact, $25,000 more debt than their white counterparts. so while there is debate whether this went far enough, should it be $50,000 or even more, students we talked to said this could help us free ourselves from the shackles of the debt to maybe dream, to experience more beyond just that kind of servitude to paying back this money. here's some of what we heard from folks. >> i feel like that's a great thing because my mom, she has student loans right now and i know i'm about to have student loans. and i really want her to be forgiven because certain things you can't do with student loans. so for that to be forgiven i foal like that's a great thing. so go biden. >> go biden. the generational impact could be broad here. and that's one thing that we heard is it's not just what we're experiencing, it's what our parents and those who helped get us through college in the first place, it's the burden that they share as well. >> and trymaine, thank you so much. ali vitali is here. so ali, one of the uncomfortable political facts for the president is that nancy pelosi

just last summer was saying the president doesn't have the legal authority to do this by executive order. take a look at this. >> he can postpone. he can delay. but he does not have that power. that has to be an act of congress. >> so ali, he's basically saying that the president doesn't have the ability, the legal authority to forgive campaign debt without an act of congress. >> yeah, to forgive the student loan debt. and look, the moment that she said that, july 2021, that's when they were first rolling out this build back better agenda. it was hitting some of the speed bumps. things were being taken out of it in that first iteration of it. it made sense why pelosi would say that in that moment. the white house in rolling this out say they do believe they have the authority here. but it does present this paradox for democrats, not just because what pelosi is saying there flies in the face of what the white house is actually doing but because of what kristen were saying, that people on the

campaign trail, tim ryan, catherine cord ez masto, are in very hot senate races come november. the fact they're taking this very moderate tack after a progressive campaign promise is really interesting and it presents both an opportunity and a little bit of a difficult situation for democrats of what this midterm cycle is going to be about. is it going to be about progressive ideals being made good on by this white house or is it going to be about blunting republican attacks on the economy, which is clearly what people like ryan and cortez masto are trying to do here as republicans are trying to use this as an example of democrats spending in a moment of inflation. we'll see ultimately in november which of these actually is the prevailing theory of who can win on it. >> ali vitali, kristen welker, trymaine lee, thank you very much. and joining us now is senior adviser to the dnc, former white house official cedric richmond. a former congressman from louisiana as well. you certainly have a good feel for the politics of this and where the democrats are in the midterms. we just saw a democrat, pat ryan

winning in a special election in new york, and democrats are feeling a little bit of wind behind them after, you know, worrying about a really disastrous midterm. but now you've got a lot of controversy with senator bennet in colorado, senator tim ryan -- rather running in ohio. these are democrats who think that this is not going to cut well for them. and it sounds too elitist. >> well, i would just remind everyone that, one, the president made this promise on the campaign trail and he did win. the second thing i would remind them is that 90% of the benefits go to people who make under $75,000 a year. and that is working-class america. and we wanted to make sure that we help working families. let's think about this. it's not a zero sum game. when we talk about plumbers, we talk about electricians and carpenters and truck drivers, a lot of them have children who are in fact in school, who would benefit from this.

but the second thing is we as a country tell people all the time education is the best way to lift yourself out of poverty. and then the cost of education is so high that it bars so many people from getting there. then when they get it we say that home ownership is the best way to transfer wealth from generation to generation. but they can't in fact buy homes because they're saddled with student loan debt. and so what we're doing here is empowering people to continue to get that education, lift themselves out of poverty, free up money so they can buy into the american dream of home ownership and have something to pass along, and those homes will need plumbers and contractors and all of those things. so what the president always says is america is not a zero sum game. someone doesn't have to do bad for someone to do good. and that's what the president is delivering on. >> so are you prepared for legal challenges? the speaker of the house said last year that he doesn't have the authority to do this by executive order. >> well, that's exactly why it

took so long to get it done, to make sure that one, it was constitutional and two, it was done in a manner to help working families and to make sure that we were focusing on those people who needed the help the most. so yes, i'm confident that it will pass a constitutional challenge. >> and what about the criticism from taxpayers who say, you know, i paid for my loans? there are some people who don't want to extend that help to other people because they went through such hard times paying for college themselves. >> and that's what the president reminds us so much of in bringing this country together, that someone doesn't have to do bad for you to do good. that everybody can do better together. and so as tax breaks often help those who are doing well, this is going to help those who are fighting like heck to make it to the middle class and those people who have done what we asked them to do, go to school, get your education, invest in yourselves. and now they're saddled with so

much debt that it hampers their future. and we're going to step in as a country and do what we should do. >> what about the criticism from some economists, even larry summers, who supported your last bill, the i.r.a. bill, said this will make inflation worse. >> well, with respect, i disagree. if you look at the last president paused the student loan payments and nobody's been paying payments back now for over 2 1/2 years. they will start repaying those loans starting in january. this will start to take effect. and i think it will be a wash. lu look, let's be clear about what we're saying. no one raised inflation in 2017 when republicans gave $2 trillion away to billionaire corporations and the top 1% of this country. and everybody, every working family was left behind. now we are investing in working families and there's an outcry. but i will tell you, i will bet

on the working families of this country every day of the week, and if i have to choose i will choose investing in those working families than choosing to give over $2 trillion, which is exponentially bigger than this legislation, to the top 1% of billionaire companies. >> just the other day i was talking to one of your colleagues, a democratic colleague, abigail spanberger, of course a tough re-election in virginia. and she says that she's not opposed to this, she says it does nothing to solve the core problem, which is the high cost of attending college and tuition increases that vastly outpace inflation. >> well, that's exactly what the president's been working on since day one. if you look at the money he's done in capital finance relief for hbcus or the other money that he's investing in colleges and universities to keep them afloat, but he's also taken a direct look at the cost of higher education. and there's no secret and the

president said even when he was campaigning that education costs are far too high. and he had a plan to help students get through their first two years of community college or college without having to pay for it. but look, we still have work to do there. but the president acknowledges there are rising costs in higher education that are unacceptable and we have to bring the costs down. and some of the things he did yesterday and talked about i think will bring the spotlight on that and start to bring it down. >> thank you very much, cedric richmond. thanks for being with us today. appreciate it. >> thank you. deadline hour. what we may or may not learn from the redacted version of the document the department of justice used to get the mar-a-lago search warrant. stand by for that. this is "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. sometimes i'm a homebody. can never have too many pillows. sometimes i'm all business. wooo!

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now to the latest on the investigation into former

president trump's alleged mishandling of top secret classified documents. we've now reached that noon deadline, we're past it in fact, and the department of justice appears to have submitted its proposed redactions to the affidavit used to obtain the search warrant at mar-a-lago. we say appears because what the doj has filed remains sealed. and a federal judge giving trump's lawyers until tomorrow to respond to key questions about his lawsuit challenging the search. trump also seeking the appointment of a special master to review documents seized during the search. this as the "washington post" reports that the national archives was concerned about how then president trump was even handling classified documents before he left office after they found that he had dozens of boxes of official records in the white house residence in the final days of his term. e-mail exchanges with top archives officials showed that white house counsel pat cipollone believed the documents should be returned. joining me now, nbc news justice correspondent ken dilanian, "washington post" political

investigations reporter josh dausee, and former u.s. attorney and law professor barbara mcquade. so ken, what do we know about the justice department's redactions to the affidavit? i'm guessing nothing since the filing was sealed. and when and how much would we ever expect to see of it? >> well, we know two things now, andrea. we don't have to say appears anymore because the chief spokesman for the justice department just sent out a statement acknowledging that this filing that we're seeing in the docket is in fact the sealed proposed redactions of the affidavit and he says the doj respectfully declines further comment as the court considers the matter. and then secondly we know that prosecutors apparently are procrastinators like the rest of us because they took every minute of the time they had up until the deadline to file this thing. and of course now we wait and see what the judge does. and there are a couple of possibilities here. the judge could agree with whatever set of redactions the justice department has proposed and put out this document even as soon as today. or he could decide that it's so heavily redacted that it doesn't

make sense to put it out, which is something he alluded to in his written opinion. and then the third possibility is if the judge disagrees with the proposed redactions and wants to pare some of them back, he said he would give the justice department a chance to appeal that, and that would all happen under seal so, we wouldn't see anything except maybe a notation that was happening and then it could be weeks or months as the appeals play out, andrea. >> so barbara, what could we potentially ever learn about this affidavit? >> well, if the judge decides that it should be disclosed and a number of redactions should be made because of this great public interest, we could see quite a bit of it. i'd be surprised if that happens. the justice department has two serious concerns here. one is jeopardizing information in this case. it seems very likely that there are individuals inside of mar-a-lago who were providing information. and although it may not name them by name, it probably says things like confidential human source who was working on wednesday july 15th at 8:00 p.m.

saw x, y and z and it wouldn't take a whole lot of work for them to figure out who that is and attempt to exert pressure on that person. there are going to be a lot of facts i think the justice department is going to want to hold tight. but there may be some they can reveal and i think they'll do as much as they can. but the secondary interest, andrea, is really one that they have to think about in every case, which is the institutional interest. if you give up information about a case at this stage of the proceeding, which is never done, it does set a precedent in other cases. and so i think they have to worry about that even if it's a fact that may be favorable to them. disclosing it here could have a profound impact on the way search warrant are done in the future. >> and josh, let's talk about the "washington post" because you had an e-mail that was sent, or you were reviewing it, sent by the national archives to trump's white house lawyers about documents still in his office while in office. so we learn a lot from that, don't we? >> we do. i mean, the e-mail is a pretty

substantive slapback against the claims from trump and his team that they were cooperative, they wanted to return documents, the fbi did not need to raid the mar-a-lago property because they were working together so closely with them. what we really see in this e-mail is before former president trump even left office the national archives had identified two dozen boxes of white house records that he was keeping in the residence and that pat cipollone, the white house counsel, apparently agreed with them that those records need to be returned. this e-mail in may 2021, about three months after the former president had left office, shows they'd already begun a cooperative process from the national archives' perspective to try to get these things back. and the e-mailtion almost a blaed r pleading, a begging tone where they say we know you have these documents, we know you have these boxes, we're willing to help however you can but can you give them back to us. and what we know after that, andrea, is ent treaty is repeatedly made by the next archives to former president trump's team about getting the documents, can we get him to

search for them. and he finally agrees to give some of them back, the initial 15 boxes, after gary stern, the top lawyer at the national archives, says we may have to notify congress soon if you do not do this. what we know in 2021 from these e-mails and our additional reporting is a concerted and sustained effort to try to get these documents back and a lot of trump's own advisers had concerns that he had kept them. >> so it certainly indicates that he was not cooperating and that they sort of please, may i, they went to extraordinary lengths to try to get these classified documents back before going to the tougher measure of a search warrant and a search, josh. >> right. right. it shows that they repeatedly tried other things. they tried phone calls to trump lawyers. they tried e-mails to trump lawyers. even began conversations with trump's lawyers while he was still in the white house about retrieving some of these documents. the position of the national

archives, they're not a political agency. it's really kind of a group of librarians, of archivists who do not take political positions but just want all of the documents that they believe are theirs. they have repeatedly tried with trump's team. and privately there was a lot of frustration at the national archives because they say they've never seen such a sustained effort to keep documents from getting to the archivists. and there's a real question as to why. we don't really know why. but the archives works with every administration after they leave to get documents back. but this was an unprecedented amount of friction between the archives and a former president. >> and on a separate track, barbara, tomorrow there's another deadline. this is another federal judge, not the judge magistrate. so mr. trump's lawyers went to this other judge instead of the judge who is presiding, bruce reinhart presiding over all of this, and their fiing was questioned by the judge.

she raised questions about the format, how it was filed, and even questioned why they were coming to her. why not go to the -- to judge reinhart. >> yeah, this filing is really something of a mess. and the judge in the most polite and professional terms issued an order asking them to set out why do you think i have jurisdiction, what is it you're even asking for, and why isn't this assigned to the magistrate judge? they'll have an opportunity to answer those questions. and if she's satisfied then she can proceed with the case. but my hunch, andrea, is that they spotted this judge, she's the only judge in a branch office of the court there and she's a trump appointee. i think they were judge shopping. they didn't like the outcome they got with the magistrate, so they're trying again with a judge they thought might be favorable to the president who appointed her. and lucky for all the rest of us, she is adhering to the rule of law and she is making them set forth the kinds of answers that any lawyer would have to set forth before she took a case. lawyers can only hear genuine cases and controversies and if a

matter is related to a pending case then the original judge should be the one who makes the decision. >> and ken, let me switch gears for a moment. as though things are not complicated enough right now. because the justice department is releasing the unredacted version of a 2019 memo that made the case to then attorney general barr that president trump should not be charged with obstruction of justice in the russia investigation, the mueller investigation. what do you make from looking through it? >> it's a nine-page memo, andrea, written by two senior trump-appointed justice department officials, and it was written, by the way, two days after they got the mueller report. so it suggests that they were ready and had already been working on arguments against the notion that donald trump was guilty of obstruction of justice. and many legal experts who've looked at it say it reads more like a brief from trump's defense attorneys than a dispassionate analysis of of the evidence. it argues, for example, that because trump felt aggrieved by the russia investigation and believed that it was illegitimate and interfering with his presidency he didn't

have criminal intent when he took steps that most people believe were obstructing, including dangling a pardon before paul manafort, instructing his white house counsel to change his testimony, firing the fbi director. and so many, many federal prosecutors who ultimately read the evidence laid out in the mueller report said that any normal person who wasn't president would have been prosecuted for obstruction of justice. but that was not the conclusion of these lawyers nor attorney general bill barr. andrea. >> ken dilanian on top of it all. thank you so very much. and barbara, of course. and josh dawsey, thanks to you. and at a time when threats against law enforcement are at an all-time high we are getting a rare look behind the scenes of that tense standoff between law enforcement and the man who tried to shoot his way into a cincinnati be fbi field office. authorities have not confirmed a motive yet, but the suspect did post a social media post about his desire to kill fbi agents after the mar-a-lago search. the new video shows the dramatic chase to a corn field and

critical decision-making in real time before the man was eventually shot. here's nbc's gabe gutierrez. >> shots fired! shots fired! >> reporter: a barrage of gunfire longside an ohio cornfield came during a tense standoff after police say a man tried to breach this fbi field office in cincinnati this month. >> we've got him in sight. >> reporter: a high-speed chase followed the attempted break-in. the suspect stopping next to the corn field. the gunfire starts. troopers take cover. this video provided to nbc affiliate wlwt by the warren county sheriff's office, just one of the agencies involved. >> now has a pistol. >> reporter: more officers arrive, including an aviation unit watching from above. >> the drive's side window is shot out. he is back up and on his knees, just so everyone is aware. back on his knees and he is holding a rifle. >> reporter: it is a rare look

at officers assessing the threat in real time. >> since he's got a rifle, let's just make sure we get heavy equipment there and i think we can come up with a better game plan versus trying to engage with him and a rifle and he's ready for a fight. >> the standoff lasts nearly six hours. >> it appears he might have grabbed another firearm. >> reporter: eventually law enforcement closes in. the suspect shot and killed. >> just remarkable. thanks to gabe gutierrez for that, first appearing on "nightly news" last night. and police chief fired. uvalde families and survivors coming together to hold accountable the man they entrusted to protect their children. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports." ll reports. new subs, for the all-new subway series menu. let's hear about this #7 pick, from a former #7 pick. juicy rotisserie-style chicken. you should've been #1. this isn't about the sandwich, is it chuck? it's not. the new subway series. what's your pick?

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as the commanding officer and faced much of the criticism for law enforcement's delayed response to the shooting that left 21 dead. nbc's priscilla thompson has more. >> reporter: in uvalde embattled school police chief pete arredondo has been fired. >> all in favor. motion passes unanimously. >> reporter: emotions among students and families quickly running high. >> i have messages for pete arredondo and all the law enforcement that were there that day. turn in your badge and step down! you don't deserve to wear one! >> our babies are dead. our teachers are dead. our parents are dead. >> reporter: the termination comes exactly three months after a gunman claimed the lives of 19 children and two teachers at robb elementary. brett cross, the uncle and guardian of uziyah garcia, says victims like uziyah deserve justice. >> he's never going to graduate from high school. he's never going to have his first date, his first car. none of that. he will forever be 10 years old.

>> reporter: though absent from the meeting, arredondo having his say. in a lengthy 17-page statement sent to the school board his lawyer accusing the board of an unconstitutional public lynching, writing "the board has not followed proper procedure and refuses to provide a written complaint against arredondo," adding "none of his decisions or actions demonstrate a failure to meet the accepted standards of conduct for law enforcement officers in similarly situated school districts in texas." arredondo has faced widespread scrutiny for the delayed response to the shooting. >> tell them to [ bleep ] wait. >> reporter: officials say it took authorities 77 minutes to engage the shooter. >> the shots have come in through that wall. just so you know. these keys are not opening up this door. >> reporter: the texas legislature releasing a fact-finding report last month faulting the police response for egregiously poor decision making, adding officers failed to prioritize saving the lives of innocent victims over their own safety. in that report arredondo telling

the committee he didn't consider himself the incident commander. but uvalde families glad to see some results, even three months later. >> we did something. we got something accomplished finally. >> well, priscilla joining us now from uvalde. priscilla, so what's the reaction from the community now that arredondo has been fired? >> reporter: this is a bittersweet moment, andrea, especially for the families who lost loved ones in this tragedy. this is certainly not going to bring them back. but people here do feel like it is the first ounce of accountability that they've gotten in all of this, and it took three months. and now they're saying this is only the beginning. they are going to continue to fight for accountability with regard to the school district but also the city police, the sheriff's department, and even state and federal law enforcement. andrea? >> there's certainly a lot of blame to go around. priscilla thompson, thanks. and access denied. more restrictive abortion bans

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fighting abortion restrictions in idaho. and cecile richards, the co-chair of course of american bridge 21st century and former president of planned parenthood. good r dr. gustaffson, first to you, what is your reaction to the legal victory, it's a narrow one, but in the idaho case? >> yeah, thanks for having me. this is a very good decision. this is a very, very important decision. it protects patients. it acknowledges the importance of the doctor-patient relationship and that these very private important medical decisions need to be made between a doctor and a patient without government interference. but we still have work to do. there are still many vulnerable idahoans today with these bans in place and we'll continue to make sure to work that they get the care they need and deserve. >> and doctor, what is the impact of the restrictive abortion access laws already on your patients? how do you counsel them? do they have to leave the state?

>> yes. it's a dramatic impact. care that idahoans have been receiving for decades suddenly now the government has interfered in their ability to obtain that care from us, the providers who have been trained and dedicated ourselves to providing them that care. it is a dramatic day in idaho. we are doing our best to continue to take care of patients for all of their other reproductive health care needs and health care needs in general. and to see to it to the best of our ability that they can get the care that they need and they deserve out of state. >> and cecile richards, this is exactly what you and before that planned parenthood, when you were working with planned parenthood, have been predicting. so we now see restrictive laws on abortion access going into effect today in oklahoma, texas, tennessee. a trigger ban could go into effect tomorrow in north dakota. what does it mean for women across the country?

especially the distances to get from the deep south to some of the states where abortion is banned, get to some of the states where there's access. it's now spreading to the point where people have to travel thousands of miles. >> absolutely, andrea. and i want to thank the doctor for her good work. one of the things that's really frightening about this, in addition to long distances, is really not allowing doctors, health care professionals to even give women advice. texas today, another abortion ban goes into effect. of course this is the third. and today it criminalizes doctors with a minimum $100,000 fine for providing access to abortion and as much as a lifetime sentence in jail. doctors are also prevented from even giving women advice of where to go. and that's what is so

frightening. i was talking to folks at planned parenthood today. they're getting calls from women who don't know where to turn, who have no one they can get advice from because of course with a bounty system in place in texas anyone giving a woman advice about where she could go to terminate a pregnancy could be turned in and brought charges against. so it is a terrifying time for women. i think that's why you're seeing the political backlash that we saw in kansas, that we saw -- we're beginning to see across the country. >> i wanted to play for both of you south carolina's state he republican representative neil collins sharing a story of how the 2021 heartbeat abortion law that he supported, he voted for it, impacted a 19-year-old woman in his district who ended up in the e.r. at 15 weeks pregnant. let's watch. >> the attorneys told the doctors that because of the fetal heartbeat bill, because that 15-week-old had a heartbeat, the doctors could not extract. there's a 50% chance, greater

than 50% chance that she's going to lose her uterus. there's a 10% chance that she will develop sepsis and herself die. that weighs on me. i voted for that bill. these are affecting people. >> this woman was carrying a dead fetus. the fetus had been determined to have died. and she was not permitted to have a medical procedure to deal with that. dr. gustafson, first to you. the medical ramifications of that could be really serious. >> absolutely. pregnant people will lose their lives over these bans that were put in place by legislators who -- many of whom just don't understand any of the complexity of pregnancy. pregnancy isn't a happy safe event for many people. it is a very complex medical condition. and this illustrates exactly that. what happens when legislators,

when government interferes in the doctor-patient relationship and patients don't have access to the care that they need, harm will come. and we are bracing for that impact here in idaho today with the total abortion ban going into effect. >> we're beginning to see, though, cecile, a political impact, certainly in kansas and now in other congressional races. we're seeing abortion in the polling at least is now becoming a much more important issue to voters. >> it's a top-tier issue. and i think exactly the story you just showed out of south carolina, of course the story of the 10-year-old girl in ohio, these stories are beginning to come out. and the doctor is exacly right. this is why the american people, american voters, do not want politicians legislating medical decisions. that should be up to patients and their doctors. and it's interesting, andrea, of

course we saw in kansas an explosion of voter registration, record turnout. we're seeing the same things in pennsylvania, michigan and all the competitive races across the country. >> dr. caitlin gustafson, thank you so much for joining us today. cecile richards, it's always great to see you too. thanks to both. and escalation. a russian rocket attack on a train station in ukraine leaving two children and 20 others dead. as vladimir putin now orders more troops to the battlefield. this is "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. if you have copd,

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give the impression that russia is winning this war. a mean, a lot of this is for benefit of his population back at home where, when the reality is that russia has been stalled for almost more than a month, for almost two months now in ukraine. ever since pretty much the fall of sever odonetsk, back in early july, you have not seen russian troops making any kind of territorial gains, not even in the east and they're on the -- on the defensive in the south. putin would like for russias to believe that he ordered this stall because he ordered a pause in the military campaign, but a lot of american officials say he might just say that because he wanted to camouflage the fact that they haven't been able to

do much since then. he's got a man power problem. he has already power in ukraine and getting close to the point now where he may have to do something that he definitely doesn't want to do. which is go to a popular mobilization, which basically would be telling moscow-its an the rest of the country, that russia is really at war in ukraine. so far he's been using people from the group, using local ukrainians who were pro-russian. >> and used his military that he has, his standing military. but he's at the edge of his availability when it comes to manpower. it is interesting watching how he seems to think he could get out of this. >> and helene, we now learn also from the ukrainians that large nuclear plant in all of europe has been disconnected.

it's power has been disconnected. it is the power that keeps the water cool, that keeps the rods and the spent fuel rods cool, that keeps the reactor safe. there is a chain of events here that is ominous. president biden spokesperson with president zelenskyy today and the readout from the ukrainians that they talked about the way forward. but we know that the u.n. is trying desperately to get inspectors or in get some kind of independent observers and even erdogan and putin have talked about this. to find out what going on inside of that plant. >> it is a dicey situation. they cut power from the plant, it was cut for a period of time earlier today. it went -- it came back on after that. and at the moment officials say that, you know, there wasn't -- the plant was still able to function. but this is people on both sides

of the atlantic have been very worried because nobody wants another chernobyl or another type of nuclear disaster. there has been rocket attacks around the camp. both sides blame each other. the russians blame the ukrainians, the ukrainians blame the russians. there have been video earlier of russian military vehicles parked right near the plant's reactor. there is a lot going on right now. and people are worried because you don't want that -- you don't want to trigger some sort of nuclear disaster and it is sketchy when you look at fighting goes on around a nuclear plant. >> that is a very tough morning today from the assistant secretary for nuclear issues, bonnie jenkins from the tate department, that this would be catastrophic. helene cooper, thank you as always. and that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports" and follow us online. and yasmin is up next when chris jansing starts right after this. s jansing starts right after this. i've already told everyo

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