tv Katy Tur Reports MSNBC August 25, 2022 11:00am-12:00pm PDT
11:00 am
good to be with you. i'm katy tur. judge reinhart has the justice department's redactions. it filed its report, here it is all one line of it "docket entry 88 restricted without seal until further notice. and the united states has filed a submission under seal for the court order of august 22nd. the justice department respectfully declines further
11:01 am
comment as the court considers the matter. no surprise there. the question now is what will judge reinhart say? we could hear from him at any moment. we also could not. presumably he's going through the redactions right now, deciding whether what remains of the affidavit is even worth releasing. just don't hold your breath. he warned us on monday that what the d.o.j. proposes might render the affidavit gibberish, his word, and he's inclined to side with whatever the d.o.j. thinks is appropriate. some former federal prosecutors order judge reinhart could relean information about the lengths d.o.j. and the national archives went to get donald trump and his legal team to voluntarily hand over all those documents, that is if that information is contained in the affidavit. after all, we did get a little more insight into that timeline this week. the national archives released a letter revealing donald trump handed over 700 documents with classified markings, some at the highest level back in january. the letter addressed to one of
11:02 am
trump's lawyers said because of the potential national security issues at play, it would not comply with donald trump's request to delay sending that tranche to the fbi so that the agency could investigate and do a damage assessment. we also learned today from the the "new york times" and "the washington post" about an e-mail also in may, once again from the national archives, to trump's team about more presidential records, quote, it is also our understanding that roughly two dozen boxes of original presidential records were kept in the residence of the white house over the course of president trump's last year in office and have not been transferred to nara despite a determination by pat cipollone in the final days that they need to be. so how much back and forth was there? how many times did the government try to get trump and his team to comply voluntarily and what legitimate reason did the former president have, if any, to continue to hold on to those documents? joining me now is nbc news
11:03 am
justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian, congressional investigative reporter with the "washington post," jackie allamane and former justice official chuck rosenberg. ken, they've made their filing, the judge is looking at it. walk us through what we can expect now. >> well, there's a couple of possibilities, katy. the most hopeful one for us is that we see a document today, a redacted version that shed some light on something that would happen if the judge took a look at the redactions, agreed that it was worth releasing, that there was enough there that was meaningful to the public, that he would actually order the release of a redacted version. the other possibility is, though, that the redactions are so thorough that the document is rendered in the judge's words meaningless gibberish and then the judge would decide it's not even worth releasing and he would rule in that manner and the third possibility is that
11:04 am
the judge disagrees with the justice department's proposed redactions and then he said in that event he would place the whole thing under seal to allow the justice department to appeal, in which case we won't see anything probably for some time. but i think you articulated in your open the most hopeful avenue for those of you who want more information about this case, which is it doesn't seem like it would impair the investigation for them to allow the exposure of the timeline here, to lay out all the efforts that the archives and d.o.j. made, much of which has already been reported but it would be nice to see it confirmed by the justice department to get the documents back before they took the extraordinary step of going to a judge and getting a consistent and sending a team of fbi agents to seize them. >> i want to get the reporting and what we know so far about the timeline. walk us through this e-mail that you're reporting on. >> yeah, katy. this is a very tortured, extended and long back and forth that the archives had with the former president's legal representatives that we now know
11:05 am
dates back to two weeks before the former president left the administration even, according to this e-mail from the national archives representative gary stern, the council for the archives where he said that there have been a determination, again, weeks before trump left the white house, that there were two dozen boxes in trump's private residence in the white house that needed to be returned to the archives that were full of presidential materials. in that e-mail, on may 21st of last year, he made the first known reported ask for these boxes back. he said that the archives had found that there were missing items, high profile items that were extensively reported on, that were not in the archives possession that set off a year-long back and forth between the archives and trump. the archives did not receive the
11:06 am
first tranche of boxes until january, that's when they agreed in december to give back 15 boxes. from there the archives told trump to continue to search for boxes. there was an assumption amongst archives officials that boxes were still missing. then we know that by april, i believe it was april 12th, that the archives notified trump that they were going to be referring this to the fbi. they had nearly four weeks to resolve this, to figure it out. by may 10th a final e-mail was sent saying that they were going to give the boxes over to the fbi. then the fbi traveled down to mar-a-lago. in june there was multiple exchanges between them that we had previously reported on. on june 19th trump was himself immersed in this process and then by august 8th there was a search warrant executed but i do think it's really important to know that this search warrant did not come out of thin air, that there was repeated attempts to try to retrieve these boxes
11:07 am
from the former president's residence and club. >> so, chuck, jackie just laid out quite an extensive timeline, quite an extensive back and forth between the federal government and donald trump's team and no shade to the incredible reporting that she's doing and others are doing on this subject, including ken delanian, but it would be nice to get this from a named source in the government. could we potentially see this in the affidavit in. >> i this i when you see the affidavit you'll see what ken aptly described as the procedural history and will contain jackie's excellent reporting. think of the affidavit of having two big buckets of information, the procedural information, the timeline which would explain to the judge and ultimately to the public what went on back and forth between the parties before the fbi executed a lawful warrant and the most sensitive part, the basis for probable cause and that's where we worry
11:08 am
about investigative techniques and witnesses who provided information that formed the probable cause in the affidavit. so will we see the affidavit? i imagine we'll see it at some point. might we soon see the procedural history confirming jackie's reporting? that's possible. perhaps the government didn't ask for that to be redacted. but typically, and i think this is the important point and it's my bias coming from a federal law enforcement background, i don't like the idea of making affidavits public before charges are filed. because you never know what someone is going to pick up on or if they miss a redaction or if someone divines on what's on the black ink on the paper. i think the better practice is to keep it under seal for now and for us to be patient. >> the judge has seen the affidavit, he's the one that signs off on it, he knows what's in it. the justice department has had a
11:09 am
week to propose redactions. because judge reinhart is pretty familiar with it, house of corrections do you think it will take him to come back and give us his decision? in the past we've seen him work relatively quickly. >> i guess the answer in that returns in part on how extensive the redactions are and whether parts have to be redacted and the judge didn't agree with the government's assessment. so i don't want to bet that you it will be today or tomorrow or next week. i think it depends on how much the government wants out. by the way, if judge reinhart, who is a federal magistrate judge and the government disagree, the government can take an appeal up the ladder, up the judicial ladder to a united states district court judge. to ken's earlier point, it could be a while. >> let's talk about the other pending motion that has to be decided. this request for a special master, the trump team has to i
11:10 am
guess resubmit its request. what's going on with that? >> yeah, because they made it to a different judge and that judge sort of gently said they need to convince her she has jurisdiction, that it shouldn't be going to the magistrate deal with the warrant issues and other conditions they need to meet to convince her this is even a legitimate exercise. they're asking for a special master, which would be an independent set of eyes to sift through documents regarding, for example, attorney/client privilege. it's been more than two weeks for the search and presumably the fbi has gone through the bulk of the documents. so it's unclear what purpose a special master at this moment would serve. >> i'm glad we decided to use filter team instead of the other
11:11 am
word that you described, the team we became so familiar with during the mueller investigations. chuck, as ken was saying, it has been two weeks. they've gone through the material. if they haven't gotten through all of it, they've gotten through a good portion of it. what would the point of appointing a special master be right now? >> filter team, katy, i got it. filter team. so here's the point. it gives the imprimatur of neutrality. there's nothing wrong with the department of justice serving as the filter team and investigative team. that happens all the time. when i was a prosecutor, i was on both at difference cases of course. here given the subject matter, the subject of investigation, the keen public interest in the outcome, i don't know that it's mandatory but it makes sense to have a neutral third party
11:12 am
special master serve as the filter. it happened in i believe both the michael cohen search and the rudy giuliani search, where a judge in the southern district of new york appointed a special master, a retired federal judge, to serve on the filter team. so it makes some sense and it may make a lot of sense here given the keen public interest in this particular case. >> chuck rosenberg, ken dilanian, and jackie, thanks for starting us off. >> the uvalde police chief has been fired. >> and kemp is in court testifying about team trump's effort to change the results. what his attorneys claim has to wait until at least the end of november.
11:13 am
>> and the answer to curing addiction, what a month's long study revealed about a psychedelic treatment. udy reveaa psychedelic treatment. gestive s. metamucil's plant-based fiber forms a gel to trap and remove the waste that weighs you down, helps lower cholesterol and promotes healthy blood sugar levels. while its collagen peptides help support your joint structures. so, start feeling lighter and more energetic by taking metamucil every day. try metamucil fiber gummies made with a prebiotic, plant-based fiber blend that helps promote digestive health. i'm jonathan lawson here to tell you about life insurance through the colonial penn program. if you're age 50 to 85, and looking to buy life insurance on a fixed budget, remember the three ps. what are the three ps? the three ps of life insurance on a fixed budget are price, price, and price. a price you can afford, a price that can't increase, and a price that fits your budget. i'm 54, what's my price?
11:14 am
you can get coverage for $9.95 a month. i'm 65 and take medications. what's my price? also $9.95 a month. i just turned 80, what's my price? $9.95 a month for you too. if you're age 50 to 85, call now about the #1 most popular whole life insurance plan available through the colonial penn program. it has an affordable rate starting at $9.95 a month. no medical exam, no health questions. your acceptance is guaranteed. and this plan has a guaranteed lifetime rate lock so your rate can never go up for any reason. so call now for free information and you'll also get this free beneficiary planner. and it's yours free just for calling. so call now for free information.
11:15 am
11:17 am
legal arguments from georgia governor kemp's team are trying to quash a subpoena about interference in the 2020 election. joining me is blaine alexander. also with me is former u.s. attorney and msnbc legal analyst joyce vance. they are saying they need to wait until at least after the election because he's so busy. >> reporter: that was the crux of there are argument. it's something the judge didn't want to hear about in court. he said i don't want to hear about the political implications, but in their legal filings and the little bit he was able to mention in the
11:18 am
courtroom, that's what the kemp team is leading into, saying because we have about two and a half months in what he calls the mostly watched gubernatorial race in the country, there's no way what's happening here would not seep into the politics and campaign leading into november. he says because we're essentially on the eve of the election, they're not saying he shouldn't testify at all, they're saying if you're not going to quash the subpoena, just allow him to come back and testify after november wraps up. the d.a.'s office are arguing what the governor potentially has to say is so important, so crucial that it cannot wait until after the investigation. now, as for the political implications of this, katy, you can't ignore the fact that, yes, this election is just really around the corner here in georgia and already we've seen democratic gubernatorial nominee stacey abrams seize about that, essentially looking at the fact that this contentious relationship between the governor and d.a. willis now
11:19 am
having exploded into public view, stacey abrams is using that to link the governor more closely to former president donald trump, in her words saying that kemp refuses to testify against trump, even tweeting out a campaign-style video to that effect. >> all right. joyce, when the judge says this is not the forum to hear about politics, what does he mean by that? >> so he's focusing on this delay argument that governor kemp has offered, that he's willing to testify but not until after the election. and really that's something that the judge will have no trouble dismissing out of hand. bonnie willis has been trying to get kemp's testimony for quite some time. she first tried to get it voluntarily. she then followed up with a subpoena when it became clear he wouldn't testify. we are more than 60 days out from the election. even if this was a d.o.j. investigation into someone who was a target of an investigation, that would still be enough time to act. but kemp is a fact witness.
11:20 am
his testimony is being saw the sought to aid the investigation. he hasn't received a target letter. the judge's concern is this an effort to get special treatment because kemp doesn't want to testify before the election. >> enough of these candidates are politicians and it makes it an interesting question on whether they can be compelled. that's what lindsey graham is trying to argue saying because he's a united states senate. he's saying basically, it's not appropriate, he shouldn't have to? >> graham's argument is a little bit different, trying to convince the judge that the speech or debate clause which limits the ability of entities
11:21 am
to force a member of congress to testify about their official conduct in a forum like the bolton county d.a.'s investigation, that should apply here. graham is making this argument that when he made phone calls to georgia officials to have conversation about ballot investigations, he was making an investigation covered by speech immunity. the district judge has indicated she's not particularly inclined to credit that argument. the real issue will be how the 11th circuit court of appeals views the issues. >> and what's your expectation on that? >> you know, it's a tough call. katy, i was an appellate chief in my office which was in the 11th circuit for a long time. they are typically not the quickest circuit in the country to rule. i don't mean to cast aspersion,
11:22 am
they to have the ability to move quickly and expedite appeals and ability promptly. the question is how can you get prompt access to evidence that you need. because if witnesses who aren't targets who are just fact witnesses can delay or avoid testifying for a lengthy period of time, then the investigation in essence ground to a halt and she can't find the truth and that's her job as a prosecutor, to get to the truth, to learn the truth, to bring people, if anyone is responsible for criminal acts, to hold them accountable. >> thank you both. and dire scenes out of central and southern mississippi where heavy flooding has cars, homes and entire neighborhoods under water. there have been more than 100 rescues, among them day care centers along with dozens of nursing home residents. yesterday was the state's third straight day of rain.
11:23 am
more than 5 million people remain under flood watch today as some areas in the state are getting up to 12 inches of rainfall in a single day. the national weather service does not expect the storm to pass until saturday. and from the great resignation to the great regret, the economic realities of quitting are starting to set in. plus millions of americans were just told their student loans are forgiven but can they count on it? on it?
11:25 am
11:26 am
very little is left for the homeless. don't let corporations exploit homelessness to pad their profits. vote no on 27. rresistible new subs... like #9 the champ. rotisserie style chicken double monterey cheddar. the champ is truly made for a champ. gee, thanks chuck. who said anything about you? it's subway's biggest refresh yet. new astepro allergy. who said anything about you? now available without a prescription.
11:27 am
astepro is the first and only 24-hour steroid free spray. while other allergy sprays take hours astepro starts working in 30 minutes. so you can... astepro and go. . president biden's decision to prevent those with student loans -- >> what are students there telling you about what this would do? >> for many of these students, we're at a historically black
11:28 am
university. the average black borrower owes more than $25,000 than their counterpart. $120,000 is still a lot of money. a white borrower who hoes $25 less and they owe less, that $10,000 would go a long way. it's still kind of targeting a higher income borrower but those students we spoke to said it's a generational issue here. loosening that even a bit could kind of unshackle them and allow them to dream and businesses and be able to move to your career without being encumbered by that debt. folks are pretty excited about it but people think maybe biden should have done more, instead of 10,000, maybe 50,000. >> and there's the argument some are making on the right and on the left that it going to add to
11:29 am
inflation. the white house says it's not going to be a problem for inflation because they're going to do this at the same time that they start up the loan repayments and put the pause on it at the same time that this loan forgiveness goes into effect. so it's going to cancel each other out. >> i don't necessarily worry so much about the inflationary impact of this -- >> we have lost -- there she is. sorry, lynnette, we lost you for a second. >> i'm not necessarily worried about the impact on inflation because of the fact that it is targeting borrowers who aren't necessarily going to go out and buy a car with this. you know, they're talking about people on the income spectrum who in this inflationary moment are probably going to pay down some debt on their credit card,
11:30 am
go grocery shopping. i don't see jason furman -- [ no audio ] i do think that the most inflationary part of our economy over the last decade has been health care and also the cost of getting the higher education. so if you really want to talk about combatting a long-term inflation, i think we should talk about the fact that, you know, students in this generation have had to pay so much more for their education than generations past. and it has held them back from being more productive members of our economy and our society, buying homes, starting businesses, looking for jobs that may not pay as well but have a greater social impact on their community. so i -- i hear the economic argument against this and it seems to me completely out of context and without any historical understanding of what
11:31 am
has happened to higher education in this country. even since the 80s, which the price has ballooned. >> you make a very good point. even when you go to state school, often with room and board you will leave with tens of thousands of dollars in debt. so it's not like it's people who are going to harvard who are all, you know, hoyty toyty themselves. is this a band-aid on the issue? is the issue trying to find a way to make school more affordable and there's also the criticism that by doing this and forgiving this debt you're only encouraging colleges to charge more and more. by the way, the reason that colleges are charging more and more is not because they're pouring it back into the education and the teachers. a lot of times they're pouring it into making the schools more fun or nicer looking to attract those higher paying students who are either rich here or
11:32 am
overseas. >> i don't think we have to do encourage much to raise tuition. i think they're just doing great on that on their own. >> oh, gosh. we're having a very hard time with you lynnette and your connection. trymaine, thank you very much as well. >> public school systems in columbus reached a tentative agreement with the district. details of the deal have not disdisclosed. the teachers did want smaller class sizes, better conditions, including a.c. they will vote to ratify the new contract this weekend. last year we saw the great resignation. this year we could call it the great regret. research shows millions of workers who quit their job during the pandemic are having
11:33 am
second thoughts. >> reporter: there are so many reasons that people quit their jobs over the last two years. it is a red hot labor market, bigger salaries, more benefits, more flexibility, more job fulfillment. at least that's what a lot of people expect to find. it turns out the reality of the great resignation isn't always as rosie. call it the great resignation regret. more than 40 million americans left their jobs last year in hopes of finding a career with better pay and hours and more satisfaction and while many have, a new report finds one in four people who quit their previous jobs now regret it. >> it was just kind of a slow burn of, ooh, this is taking a lot out of me, i miss my old life. >> reporter: for years 39-year-old skyler worked as a server as one of the hottest restaurants. >> waiting table can be difficult. with the compounded aspect of covid, that you're in a mask and
11:34 am
a face shield and it's sweaty, it was exhausting. >> reporter: he also wanted a more stable career because he and his wife hoped to start a family. so he quit and took a job teaching high school english, which paid 20% left but fulfillment would be higher. or was it? >> it was not what i expected. i'm making less money but i'm probably working 80 to 90 hours a week grading papers. there was a great sense of is this really what i want? >> over half of the people who quit their jobs say the switch hasn't met their expectations. >> sometimes grass is grass. >> reporter: people move to new careers that may pay more but are less satisfying. >> the work experience and work-life balance and company culture is not aligning with their personal goals and
11:35 am
priorities. >> just when skyler thought it was stuck, his former restaurant offered him a management job with higher paying benefits and less stress so he took it. experts say it's a trend called boomeranging where companies woo back former employees with better conditions and perks. do you think on the whole employers are getting better on listening to the needs of their employees? >> i sure hope so. we are only as good as our people and i think employers want to have a sense of taking care of their people. >> reporter: now, if you're watching this and thinking that sounds very much like the situation that i'm in right now, experts say do not panic. the demand for workers is still sky high in so many sectors, it's still very much an employees' market. it is good to start by sharing concerns with your employer. you want to always be networking and it's even good to reach out to your previous employer to see if they might offer something better because many times they
11:36 am
will. >> always be networking. up next, not going quietly, how uvalde's embattled police chief responded to his firing. and idaho's near total abortion ban did not go into effect today as planned. the ruling from a judge that blocked that law coming up next. t blocked that law coming up next. but, at upwork, we found him. he's in adelaide between his daily lunch delivery and an 8:15 call with san francisco. and you can find him, and millions of other talented pros, right now on upwork.com
11:39 am
11:40 am
astepro and go. bother the bugs... gotcha. ...not your family. zevo is made with essential oils which attack bugs' biological systems. it gets rid of the bugs plus is safe for use around people and pets. zevo. people-friendly. bug-deadly. you don't care squat about these families. if it was one of your children, heads would be rolling right now. but because it's not, you don't care! >> i have messages for pete arredondo and the law enforcement that were there that day. turn in your badge and step down! you don't deserve to wear one! >> and after a heated -- excuse me, after a heated community board meeting the uvalde school
11:41 am
board fired pete arredondo. he did not attend but did send his lawyer with a defiant 17-page statement which accused of board of conducting a, quote, illegal and unconstitutional public lynching. despite his outstanding conduct, he continued to insist he was not in charge of the response that day. joining me is investigative reporter tony poletsky. thank you for being with us. arredondo released a 17-page statement through his lawyer saying that the outrage against him amounted to a public lynching and that he wants his full benefits reinstated. talk to me about what he was saying and what was the reaction to him coming out and calling it a public lynching against him? >> certainly it just intensified the anger against him. i mean, he goes as far as to say in that statement that he believes he deserves to have his
11:42 am
name cleared and that statement, again, it's 17 pages long, it goes on and uses the word brave to sky his conduct that day. so what you see in his statement is really an attempt to reframe the reality according to him and his experience, where he talks about not knowing that there were children at that classroom and victims in that classroom. but, katy, also describing the steps that according to he and his attorneys that he did take during that more than an hour time that elapsed, that there were efforts to try to find the key to the door, there were efforts to try to get more equipment, protective equipment in there for law enforcement and also to evacuate other students in nearby classrooms. but again when you talk to experts and in the field of active shooter response, what they say is that all of that has
11:43 am
to go to the side, that the most important function of law enforcement is to do something to stop an active shooter in that moment. so again, really a disconnection here between the reality of what happened and the way he and his attorneys are framing it. or attempting to frame it. >> in the school board meeting, you heard a lot of high emotion there, including from that very young girl saying that if you were involved in this, you didn't do your job, you need to resign, turn in your badge. arredondo is just one of the officers and there were hundreds there that day. i know that the community wants others to be held accountable as well, not just him. is there any action right now being taken against anyone else? >> so, katy, clearly this is significant because what we saw last night was the first law enforcement official having some accountability brought to bear,
11:44 am
pete arredondo paying for it with his job. what many in the community are hoping is that this sets the stage against others in law enforcement. there were hundreds there that day including dozens from the border patrol, dozens from the texas department of public safety. both of those agencies, by the way, have said that they do have ongoing investigations into what happened that day. and so the outcome of those investigates of course remains to be seen and including whether or not any of those agents or officers could possibly face any sort of disciplinary action by the agencies that they are working for. >> what about the kid and the parents and their feelings towards going back to school? i know some of them aren't comfortable at all, but it's not exactly possible for a lot of these kids to do remote schooling. their household are just not set up for it. what's the school district doing
11:45 am
to try and make everybody comfortable? do they feel like they can keep their campuses safe? >> i mean, this is a very, very difficult part of this now as parents face the prospect of sending their kids back to school. according to some, having competent law enforcement in the midst will bring some level of security to them and make them more inclined to send their kids back to school, but to your point, you have to keep in mind that uvalde is largely a working class community where many parents simply lack the flexibility to have their kids do remote learning. to that end, though, the uvalde school district is trying to take a number of different steps to ensure the safety of students, including putting up more fence, in addition to that having more law enforcement, including some that will be infused by the texas department
11:46 am
of public safety on some of those campuses. but certainly as the community looks to sending their kids back to school in the next couple of weeks, this is a very, very difficult proposition and one that is, frankly, causing a lot of the trauma that these families have faced to come to the forefront. >> yeah, i can only imagine. thank you very much for joining us. and a federal judge in idaho has temporarily blocked part of the state's near total abortion ban. according to the judge, the law does not provide adequate protection for doctors who perform abortions during a medical emergency. it's a significant post-roe victory but does not change the fact that nearly all abortions in idaho are still legal. joining me is julia ainsley. explain this decision, julia. >> this is a preliminary injunction, katy. it's not necessarily going to hold. but right now a judge in idaho has sided with the biden
11:47 am
administration saying that, yes, under the emergency medical treatment and labor act, that should serve as a safeguard, that even on a post-roe america, that in order to save the life of a mother or of a woman, they need to be able to step in and provide abortion access. what this law would have done is it would have allowed prosecutors in idaho to go after doctors and charge them with felonies if they performed an abortion for what they thought was to save the life of a woman but later could not be able to prove that in court. it would have put doctors in a very tough position where they might have doubted whether or not think should step in and what would have been a scenario where they should apply emergency care. the biden administration argued that that was a violation of the act and that any hospital getting federal money from the government, as they would under medicaid and medicare, this they would be in violation of that act if they followed the idaho law. right now there's a preliminary injunction on that part of it, by by and large that law will be
11:48 am
able to go forward, which is a near all-out abortion ban in idaho except in cases of rape, incest and now life-threatening emergencies. >> julia, thank you very much. i'm sorry, we have the gremlins in the studio today. >> you play it cool every time. >> it was not a great story to lose it on, i will say. thanks so much for joining us today. and coming up, a trip for treatment. what research shows about the benefits of treating alcoholism with magic mushrooms. and only 24-hour steroid free spray. while other allergy sprays take hours astepro starts working in 30 minutes. so you can... astepro and go. (woman) oh. oh! hi there. you're jonathan, right? the 995 plan! yes, from colonial penn. your 995 plan fits my budget just right. excuse me? aren't you jonathan from tv, that 995 plan?
11:49 am
yes, from colonial penn. i love your lifetime rate lock. that's what sold me. she thinks you're jonathan, with the 995 plan. -are you? -yes, from colonial penn. we were concerned we couldn't get coverage, but it was easy with the 995 plan. -thank you. -you're welcome. i'm jonathan for colonial penn life insurance company. this guaranteed acceptance whole life insurance plan is our #1 most popular plan. it's loaded with guarantees. if you're age 50 to 85, $9.95 a month buys whole life insurance with guaranteed acceptance. you cannot be turned down for any health reason. there are no health questions and no medical exam. and here's another guarantee you can count on: guaranteed lifetime coverage. your insurance can never be cancelled. just pay your premiums. guaranteed lifetime rate lock. your rate can never increase. pardon me, i'm curious. how can i learn more about this popular 995 plan?
11:51 am
11:52 am
could micro dosing magic mushrooms cure addiction? the largest clinical study of its kind found a combination with talk therapy the treatment helped people with alcohol abuse disorder significantly reduce their drinking. nbc's harry smith has more. >> reporter: this is a handle of alcohol. a few ounces short of a half gallon of booze. >> something you would bring to party. i would drink one of those by myself. >> reporter: john costas started drinking in his early teens, getting drunk become the number one thing on his mind.
11:53 am
>> you're constantly thinking about where your next drink is going to come from. >> reporter: aa didn't work, nor did any other rehab. his doctors told him alcohol was killing him. his last hope, he says, psilocybin, the compound found in psychedelic mushrooms. >> i was terrified of psychedelics. i never touched them. >> reporter: he joined a double blind study incorporating psychotherapy and psilocybin at nyu langone health. in all, there were 93 participants. the results, very promising. more than 80% who were given the psychedelic treatment drastically reduced their drinking. 48% were completely abstinent eight months after receiving their first dose. >> their improvement was evident immediately during the month after the first dose of psilocybin. >> reporter: this doctor headed the study. >> there wasn't really any sign that the effect was diminishing
11:54 am
over time. >> reporter: three 12 weeks of psychotherapy participants were given two doses of psilocybin and an option for third. during the sessions they were accompanied by two staff members who monitored them for possible physical or psychological side effects. >> my emotions were really amplified, so if i'm happy, i'm ecstatic. if i'm sad i'm terrified. >> we know that psilocybin can make it possible for the brain to change. >> right. >> more than it ordinarily would. >> reporter: that change is called neuroplasticity, the brain's ability to modify, change and adapt. the theory, psilocybin makes the brain more mall lieuble. he had profound reactions to the drug. >> i saw liquor bottle in the middle of the desert and all of a sudden it disintegrates into the sand, and i thought that was pretty obvious symbolism to my
11:55 am
alcoholism leaving me. >> reporter: the researchers have not kept track of how many participants remain abstinent. costas, one of the first patients, says he has not had a drink in nearly seven years. >> it was never a case where i could just have a drink and then not have another drink. >> reporter: nick cola participated in the study. the psilocybin's effect, mind altering and life change shooting in third dose was like the icing on the cake that completed my experience and allowed me to move forward with a new path and new hope. i'm going to cry. >> it's not that it's, you know, a miracle cure that works for every single participant, but a lot of the patients will report they learned something that was very personal and very critical for them to understand in order to make these major changes in their lives. >> reporter: the results are promising, but more research is
11:56 am
needed, says the doctor. >> if the results of this study are replicated and we eventually are able to show that this drug can be safe and effective, and it becomes clinically available, it could impact millions and millions of lives. >> that's really interesting. harry smith reporting. lindsey riser is in for hallie jackson next. each lastie you're not the only one with questions about botox®. botox® prevents headaches in adults with chronic migraine before they even start—with about 10 minutes of treatment once every 3 months. so, ask your doctor if botox® is right for you, and if a sample is available. effects of botox® may spread hours to weeks after injection causing serious symptoms. alert your doctor right away, as difficulty swallowing, speaking, breathing, eye problems, or muscle weakness can be signs of a life-threatening condition. side effects may include allergic reactions, neck and injection site pain, fatigue, and headache. don't receive botox®
11:57 am
if there's a skin infection. tell your doctor your medical history, muscle or nerve conditions, and medications, including botulinum toxins, as these may increase the risk of serious side effects. in a survey, 92% of current users said they wish they'd talked to their doctor and started botox® sooner. plus, right now, you may pay zero dollars for botox®. learn how abbvie could help you save on botox®.
11:58 am
with xfinity internet, you get advanced security that helps protect you at home and on the go. you feel so safe, it's as if... i don't know... evander holyfield has your back. i wouldn't click on that. hey, thanks! we got a muffin for ed! all right! you don't need those calories. can we at least split it? nope. advanced security that helps protect your devices in and out of the home. i mean, can i have a bite? only from xfinity. nah. unbeatable internet. made to do anything so you can do anything.
12:00 pm
breaking news as we come on the air. the release of that redacted affidavit could drop any minute. a judge is now combing through the doj's proposal after the government submitted their suggestions on ha to keep secret from the document. our correspondents and legal team are standing by. also this hour, two new developments in the investigation into potential election interference in georgia. what a judge is now signaling about whether governor brian kemp will have to talk to the grand jury. and the one-time member of former president trump's legal team scheduled to testify today. we're live at the courthouse. plus what the head of the rnc is privately telling supporters that party needs to win the senate. we're following new developments oversee seas. russian president vladimir putin looking to put more troops into ukraine. good to be with you. i'm lindsey riser in new
206 Views
1 Favorite
IN COLLECTIONS
MSNBC West Television Archive Television Archive News Search ServiceUploaded by TV Archive on