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good evening, everyone. we begin the reid out tonight with the much anticipated redacted copy of the search warrant affidavit of donald trump's mar-a-lago home. and here it is, the 38-page affidavit. as you can see nearly half of it has been redacted. those redactions by the doj and approve by u.s. magistrate judge bruce rinehart are designed to protect the integrity of the ongoing investigation by not disclosing highly sensitive information about witnesses and
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other grand jury material. but what is now public tells a damning story about the former twice impeached president who, by the way, is the one who originally called for the affidavit to be released. trying to play chicken with the doj before they called his bluff. now, first in the government's 13-page memo explaining the rationale for the redactions they said parts must remain sealed to, quote, protect the safety and privacy for a significant number of witnesses in addition to law enforcement. in other words, the fbi's probable cause was not based on a single informant but a number of different witnesses likely having to be people inside the trump's orbit and i'm sure that fact is not sitting well with donald tonight. and the affidavit explains why many of them might have cooperated. it describes in specific detail the nature of some of the documents that were just laying around trump's golf resort. in 15 boxes of documents returned to the national archives in january the fbi found 184 unique documents
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bearing classification markings including 67 documents marked as confidential, 92 marked as secret, and 25 marked top secret. in many cases just mixed in with magazines and like newspaper clippings in the same box. but even more alarming is the following line that indicates -- that indicates some of the other markings. hcs controls to human control system which generally refers to a program from a cia officer about a confidential source overseas, mainly a spy. these reports don't normally leave the cia. si refers to intelligence like communication intercepts like agents like the nsa of foreign leaders and other agents overseas. and then there's intelligence so sensitive it can't even be shared would any foreign nationals, even our closest
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allies. and the affidavit adds several of the documents contain what appears to be trump's hand written notes, notes trump is believed to have written after he left the presidency. we already knew trump has a terrible track record when can comes to keeping intelligence to himself. he divulged classified material given to us by israel with the russians and in all places the oval office. and so beyond the fact he's shared information before, why would he need to have these sensitive documents in florida or really anywhere? remember these are some of our government's most highly protected materials and they were just laying around in boxes at mar-a-lago where who knows what and who knows who could have access for a year and a half. joining me now is john brennen, former director of the cia and national security analyst, katy fhan and regnato mariotti.
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i'm going to put these classifications up against. can you as a former cia director think of any innocent explanation for why any president would have in his possession outside of a skiff, outside of a safe place to read it in washington, d.c., information on who our spies are, information like what donald trump had? >> no. in a word, no. there is no plausible explanation for any type of retention of this -- these documents, this information that contains some of the most sensitive national security information that our government has. these are the markings that are
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on documents whether they be the raw intelligence reports that the cia generates or even the finished products that are shared with policy makers, but they are required to be held in certain compartmented facilities to ensure they're not going to be exposed and there will will be no unauthorized disclosure that could put our peoples lives as risk as well as our national security. so therefore a president when they're in the oval office they'll see some of those documents. there are times some presidents may take those documents back to the residence to work on them or review them, but they are always kept under lock and key under very close tight supervision. but there is no reason why any president would remove them after they finished office to their personal residence. they're supposed to go to the national archives where presidents can actually review them and access them if they're going to write their memos and memoirs. but, again, donald trump had no
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basis, no reason, no legal basis to retain those documents at mar-a-lago. >> just one more -- i'm going to drill in one more time. lots of presidents have written memoirs. they all write memoirs. have you ever heard of a president putting information, specific information, names, locations, of our human intelligence assets, our spies in a book? in a memoir? >> i know it's a crazy, silly question. >> and the hcs marking does not mean the documents contained any names of sources, but they do contain sensitive information that come from those sources, and there will be a source description that is included in those documents. so there is no reason for a president to keep those documents outside of the work environment of the white house or the west wing. and therefore, whenever any president leaves office, they should not take any of that with them, and their staff has an obligation a legal and professional and ethical
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obligation to make sure that information does not leave the white house and go back to a personal residence. >> thank you, director, for making that clear. regnat mariotti i want to read from title 18 code us 721, whoever having the custody of any such record willfully and unlawfully conceals, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies or destroys the same shall be fined under this title or imprison not more than three years or both. and here's an important part, and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office in the united states. donald trump apparently wrote notes, personal notes on these documents meaning he altered them without any authorization to do so. so he clearly took them, concealed them and held onto them for 18 months. do you see evidence of a crime here?
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>> i do. i think concealment, joy, is the most straightforward way of approaching this. the justice department really i think bent over backwards to be very fair and treat trump with kid gloves. they asked for these documents politely. it was me or you or one of my clients they would not be asking politely. so they asked very politely, they issued a subpoena and after all of that they received an assurance from trump's attorney that they had everything, and of course that turned out not to be true. that's why a search warrant was executed. that's why they ultimately recovered documents in that search warrant. i think it's frankly much easier to prove than a lot of the other potential criminal charges that have been discussed in the past. it's just much more straightforward. >> premature disclosure of the contents of this affidavit and
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related documents may have a significant and negative impact on the continuing investigation and may severely jeopardize its effectiveness by allowing criminal parties to flee and destroy evidence electronic or otherwise, change patterns and behavior and notify criminal confederates. if the doj is that concerned that donald trump could copy, could mail out, could conseal any of these documents, how on earth, renato, did they wait 18 months and let him have and hold onto these documents for a year and a half? >> well, i think there's an argument to be made here that they took things too easy on trump. >> yeah. >> i will just say i actually plan on -- look, i'm a defense attorney now. i plan on making it clear to the justice department on my cases that, hey, i want to send a letter that you should include with the search warrant that you try to obtain, let the judge know my point of view. i mean, they went out of their way to make things easy for
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donald trump, to bend over backwards and give him every opportunity to not have the ability to charge him. so i think that's actually what you just quoted there, by the way, is really telling, joy. they talk about an ongoing investigation, and that's really remarkable. one of the baselines here it's not in many ways the headline but underneath it all is there's an ongoing investigation into the former president of the united states. he's the subject of that investigation, and i don't think there's any possibility to deny that. it's unbelievable. >> and just to talk about it how easy they went on donald trump. may 6, 2021, nara made multiple requests. they received 15 boxes from trump and realized, hey, there's classified stuff in here. june 8, the council cept trump a letter realizing mar-a-lago is not a place to store classified
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information. katie, again, for donald trump's defense attorneys i don't see what argument they could possibly make. they cannot say this was an overly aggressive attempt to get these documents back. it seems like it was overly slow. they cannot say that donald trump was surprised. he's known for 18 months that -- i heen he knew he had them and he's known they've wanted them for at least a year. so what possible defense could donald trump offer if he's charged with concealing -- of having custody of when he didn't have a right to of altering these documents because it seems straightforward to me and i'm not a lawyer. >> it seems he likes to blame everyone else except for him that is a go-to defense for him and the understandable reliance upon others. joy, the problem that's going to happen is that the reporting suggests donald trump himself
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monitored and oversaw the organization of these boxes. and to the obstruction of justice or the obstruction of evidence or the obstruction of an investigation standpoint he actually coordinated moving things in and out of locations at mar-a-lago as well as in and out of certain boxes. to renato's point this is the affidavit in support of a search warrant. there's an ongoing investigation. there could be numerous others that are charged not just donald trump as well as additional crimes that could be charged. we only know that was located in the boxes that were, quote, voluntarily turned over by donald trump. we don't even know whatwise seized by the fbi during the execution of this warrant, and it raises the question as to when will it come to a point where the department of justice says there is more than enough probable cause for the crimes set forth in this affidavit for the search warrant.
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is it enough now to charge him and then, frankly, file a superseding indictment later on when we get more charges? you have to read two critical documents together. it's that memorandum of law redacted and the affidavit itself. thal memorandum spoke to destruction of evidence, intimidation of multiple witnesses, criminal confederates, the idea of grand jury investigation or the information confidential being disclosed. we are kind of farther along in a time line, joy, donald trump would want to be comfortable with. but we're not even at the finish line, and that's what everybody has to remember about where we are. >> katie, what does it say to you we're talking about multiple witnesses they want to protect. not just the fbi agents who have already been threatened by donald trump's super fans, in one case someone physically went to try to threaten fbi agents. what does it say to you it seems more than one person, significant numbers of people, not more than one person told on
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him? >> it means it runs the gamut of people either family or close enough to know that he had these documents because the search warrant and the affidavit identifies his personal residence, pine hall which is the foyer leading into his personal residence, and i want to be specific his bedroom, leading into the bedroom, these are places where only family or close people could be. it could run the gamut to maybe staff members at mar-a-lago to maybe people that are within his immediate staff or working with him. but the fact it's more than one and i know renato and director brennen would agree it further buttresses the credibility of this search. it further buttresses the credibility of the fact they found cause for this affidavit to be executed. >> up next trump still claims he had the power to declassify anything he wanted by waving a magic declassification wand. the search warrant affidavit
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today's affidavit included a may 25th letter evan corbren who in defending trump's decision to stash away highly sensitive material at his florida home, slash resort argued had basically carte blanche power for anything he writes. trump's lawyer made that claim after telling the fbi the documents with classified markings were packed unknowingly and sent to mar-a-lago. so here's the thing, trump's power to declassify ended with his presidency. additionally, any material he may have declassified can been reclassified by a subsequent
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president. and lastly and most importantly the president of the united states cannot just declassify anything at will he wants. he can't declassify the codes to the nuclear football or the names and locations of all our spies in russia. i mean if a president could do that kind of thing it would make presidents incredibly dangerous. meanwhile in the affidavit the government makes it clear to the judge they aren't even arguing the question of who classified what because the issue is much more fundamental than that. the government in a footnote cites 18 u.s. code 797 which deals with the gathering and handling of information that a specific statute doesn't just classify information, rather it criminalizes the unlawful retention of any information -- any information related to the national defense. joining me now is congressman eric swalwell of california. congressman, all of this begs the question that, you know, in your oversight responsibility on the intelligence committee at
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the house, where do you even begin to deal with the potential national security implications of 18 months of classified documents laying around in donald trump's bedroom in mar-a-lago? >> yeah, joy, did he copy them in any way? did anyone else have access to them and digitally opcopy them or upload them or send them or share them? the guy clearly loves foreign nationals. he's been hosting a golf tournament with foreign nationals, so there's so much exposure and vulnerability here around these secrets. and your viewers should know when we say national defense information, we are talking about information that protects our troops. that's why we don't want him to have it at an unsecured beach house. so, yes, we need to do a battlefield damage assessment to understand just, you know, where these documents were. but it shows in that affidavit over and over and over they asked him -- they showed deference to him that he wasn't even worthy of being shown to give them back, and he didn't.
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he gave some back, held onto others, which again i think shows his guilt. because if he truly declassified them why would he have even given some back? it shows he was trying to deceive them. and, joy, do you think that a man who leveraged $300 plus million of taxpayer money to get dirt on joed biden with the ukrainians wouldn't try to use classify documents to help himself if he ever found himself in a pinch? >> that is a challenge. and the other thing i cannot get out of my mind today, congressman, and we've had you on a lot to talk about january 6th and the investigation into january 6th. it would be one thing for a president too much of a jerk and a baby to admit he lost an election to throw the proud boys and other insurrectionists violenty at the capitol to potentially kill members of congress like yourself and members of the united states senate. it's a whole other level for somebody who's also holding onto top secret classified information at his house and refusing to give it back -- do
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you think these facts about what we now know what trump was doing in any way change or make much worse what we're learning about january 6th? >> yes, it means that we should always assume the worst with this guy. he showed that with the, you know, deal he tried to cut with zelenskyy trading u.s. taxpayer dollars, military aid for dirt on biden. it shows how he incited the mob on january 6th at the capitol, and it shows why he would want to keep these documents. the guy never showed an interest any day of any week of taking an intelligence briefing, so now he's going to take these documents to mar-a-lago? no. this is a guy who saw their value as something that could benefit him. joy, as we think about 80 days from now going into the mid-term elections, this election is now being framed that republicans have shown themselves in the way they're defending donald trump
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to protect donald trump keeping top secret documents they will protect donald trump. and democrats are showing responsibly if we keep the majority we'll spend every day in congress fighting for every day people. and that's the frame now they've given us by showing their true colors. >> can see quite a time to be alive. congressman eric swalwell, thank you very much, sir. let me bring back in john brennen and renato mariotti. to me it says something materially different. it was bad enough we had the january 6th insurrection in which the president of the united states attempted to overthrow the government using a violent mob basically as his battering ram against congress. it's quite another thing when we find out that same person has been retaining national security information in his private custody at his house and refusing to give it back, and that even when he gave some of it back he still kept things and retained things to the point where he had to have his place searched by the fbi. does it give you that same even
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worse pit in the stomach feeling as an intelligence professional? >> well, it does, joy, and it just underscores that donald trump never should have been entrusted with the office of the presidency and certainly never should be in the future again. his arrogance and his feelings that he's above the law has been reckless, irresponsible, and has blatantly disregarded the responsibilities of that office. and so i think we saw on january 6th the culmination of his presidency which was to just do things that were going to benefit him personally, and that's why he rallied those individuals at the capitol, and so i still shake my head when i see these individuals including elected officials of the republican party making excuses and apologies or excuses for donald trump. he should be roundly denounced and condemned for his actions that really has put this country at great risk.
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and we still don't know what type of disclosures might have taken place at mar-a-lago in terms of the intelligence material that was there, and that's what the national security community is doing right now, trying to understand what has been the extent of the damage that has been done as a result of his recklessness. >> i mean, if you think about it this is somebody who knew he lost an election, refused to accept it, attempted to remain in office illegally but still managed to secret away national security information for what purpose? i think we have to know for what purpose. it's something we must find out. renato mariotti, i want to play you speaking of people making ridiculous defenses of donald trump here is a former clerk to justice gorsuch. this does not surprise me. claiming essentially that trump has the authority to declassify whatever the hell he wants. >> the president has the absolute constitutional authority to declassify anything he wants for any reason he
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wants, and he doesn't have to get permission from any bureaucrat at the national archives to do that. it's legally impossible for a former president to obstruct investigations into non-crimes. the justice department did not have the power to even look at these crimes because it doesn't matter what the evidence shows in this affidavit, no matter what that evidence shows as a matter of law it is legally impossible for president trump to have committed espionage or to have violated some presidential records act. >> runaughty, when president nixon said it he did it -- your thoughts. >> you summarized those moments ago, joy. first of all, trump is no longer the president of the united states and so anything that he
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did after he was president does not matter, all the super powers they want to ascribe to him ended january 20th when he was no longer president of the united states. but more importantly you had mentioned that letter a moment ago, joy, where they talk about the supposed super powers donald trump had. and if you notice his lawyers didn't say there was a standing order. they didn't say he had declassified those documents. and i'll just tell you as a defense attorney if i had those arguments in my back pocket i'd use them. of course i'd use those arguments. i'd make those points of government. the reason he didn't make those points that's not something they have evidence to suggest that's true. i think they realize -- i think everyone knowsthality that didn't really happen. so they're well-off saying, sure, he had the power to do this but he didn't actually do it. i don't think they have evidence that he did it. i think it's really beside the point, and as you mention really these statutes don't -- nothing
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actually turns on classification which i think is a smart move on the justice department oo to focus on the statutes that don't really require classification at all. >> yeah, not surprisingly. really quick rapid fire to you, director brennen, if you took documents and told they were classified and i kept some, what would you think? >> i would think the fbi would be knocking on your door in a search warrant the next day to retrieve those documents. one of the things the government wanted to do was take those documents away so they could be properly stored asked protected. if you were to do something like that, joy, i would expect you to be put in handcuffs and charged crimes. i do believe there are going to be multiple charges that are going to result from what we have now seen happening at mar-a-lago. >> you can better believe i would be under the jail and it wouldn't have taken 18 months.
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thank you both. still ahead, nope, trump's florida resort is not camp david which is secured by mile and miles of high security fencing and a bunch of highly trained hand picked sailors and marines. it is a golf resort, okay, a golf resort. more on that next. resort. more on that next. catching my train... making moves... ♪♪ making a connection... a train connection. that's how you du more with dupixent, which helps prevent asthma attacks. dupixent is not for sudden breathing problems. it's an add-on-treatment for specific types of moderate-to-severe asthma that can improve lung function for better breathing in as little as two weeks. and can reduce, or even eliminate, oral steroids. and here's something important. dupixent can cause allergic reactions that can be severe. get help right away if you have rash, chest pain, worsening shortness of breath, tingling or numbness in your limbs.
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former president's compound, another reminder that storing government documents at a public events venue is a dangerous idea. the pittsburgh post gazette reports today on a fake heiress who as the report notes was invited to mar-a-lago where she mingled with former president donald trump's supporters and showed up the next day for a golf outing with trump and senator lindsey graham. turns out the woman was not a member of the famous banking family and she's now the subject of an fbi investigation into her past activities and the events that led her to the former president's home. the woman who's actually a russian speaking immigrant from ukraine made several trips into the estate posing as a member of the rothchild family. thank you. welcome to the show, and there's a "the new york times" piece that talks about the fact that,
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you know, donald trump actually wanted mar-a-lago to be camp david instead of camp david. this is a report from 2017. you're not going to visit camp david. you're not going to be able to get within shouting distance of camp david. it's surrounded by maximum security fencing. more important the site is known as -- trump thought that was fun. he would rather entertain people at mar-a-lago. what do you know mar-a-lago has in security? >> i think that's a great question and almost answers itself. this is a resort and a public event space and a club in florida. it is not a military facility. it is not a government facility. until 2019 it didn't even have a no trespassing sign at the side gate. so when we talk about security
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and mar-a-lago it's not hi-tech at all. >> let's talk about how it works when it comes to the secret service even, because once trump decided -- every president has their winter white house. president biden runs off to delaware. president obama would go to hawaii. but when that happened, the lockdown was serious and they weren't staying in a resort where everyone could go. the entire island of oahu is essentially turned over to the secret service for the president's two week vacation. the coast guard enforces the temporary security zone in the waters near the president's rental home. that's what it was like when president obama went to his vacation home and he grew up in hawaii. my understanding mar-a-lago kept operating like a regular old club. >> it is.
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because mar-a-lago is a place where people go to spend money, play tennis, go swimming. they do not feel want to feel they're visiting or living in an a high security enclave. they want to feel like they're going to a club, and the president knew that. and he's a masterful marketer. camp david, that idea having mar-a-lago serve as the meeting point with foreign leaders was truly masterful marketing. the whole world learned about mar-a-lago thanks to trump's meetings with xi jinping and foreign leaders. >> was there ever a time mar-a-lago actually increased its security protocols other than having secret service there to make it top secret or pretty much leave it where it was? >> there was a famous incident was a very confused possibly deceptive chinese tourist crashed mar-a-lago and was
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arrested. and up to that point the secret service had never done counter espionage training with any of the staff members and this was in 2019. so it's not until 2019 these staff members temporary workers often from abroad that got trained in counter espionage measures. we were told by intelligence experts that any foreign intelligence service that did not have a guest or staffer at mar-a-lago on their payroll or at least feeding them information was committing spy craft malpractice. >> and all they had to do was toddle over near the boss' bedroom and they could have read all our secrets, all our national security secrets. perfect. thank you very much. coming up, who won the week is still ahead. we're still going to do that. but first republicans are furiously back pedaling on their anti-abortion stances as it slowly dawns on them as they realize, you know what, this is
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dissatisfied with the direction of the country. dissatisfied in general. they think the country ffs going in the wrong direction. were you able to determine how much of that has to do with the loss of women's rights? >> joy, first of all so good to be with you and my sister latasha. hey, sis. so what a lot of this has to do is a few things. number one in 2020 black voters turned out in massive numbers and moved an agenda that we wanted to see in terms of change happening in this country. and actually what we're seeing is that there's not been the uh-uh genda we want to see moving forward from health care to the economy to voting rights. there were a lot of promises made that are still yet to be delivered on. i think the second thing, joy, really important for us to pay attention to here is that for a lot of people abortion is an
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economic issue. it's not an idealogic issue. while a lot of people have personal feelings whether they themselves would participate in an abortion, people understand the dollars and cents of what it means to be able to make decisions over your own life that makes sense for you and your family and your economic status. and at the end of the day, joy, ideology doesn't lead here and that is why republicans are having such a hard time on the campaign trail with this issue. it's because they're not talking about it in terms of dollars and cents and that is the way we understand it. >> you think about what they are talking about, latasha, tudor dixon, the republican nominee for republican governor she's out there saying rape victim and the child of rape could form a bond. you've got herschel walker attacking the climate bill saying we have too many tree. arizona masters scrubbing his website to take off the stuff about banning abortion and even
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banning contraception. dr. oz saying -- attacking john fetterman's health. you have jd vance appearing with a podcaster who once said feminists need rape. i mean, it seems at this point you've spent a lot of time on the road talking with voters. one party seems to be so out there i wonder if they're even getting a hearing or wonder voters are just scared dissatisfied or not and voting for the other side? >> i think there's three things. one, it reeks of desperation. they are desperate. they have gone too far and instead of actually pulling back they're going further which is hurting them. that's why when you start seeing the scrubbing of websites, start seeing the changing of positions of some certain republicans because at the end of the day they thought this play book which trump used, which was using lies, literally being able to mislead the public, that in itself was going to be enough. so they felt some power and
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let's go deeper and it's not working. particularly when you're looking at this issue of abortion rights, they're losing ground tremendously around that. i think that's one. the second issue people are sick and tired you just can't have a sound bite. people want what i call the janet jackson principle, what have you done for me lately. people of all sides want to understand what is the party going to do for them. i don't think there's going to be enough in the republican party to continue to have these sayings that they know it's not true, they're going to stand with, and they can just agitate the base. and the third thing what they've been consistent around is that they don't stand for anything, that they are the party of anti-freedom. they are the party of anti-right. it's so interesting that the party that says we need smaller government, wants to seek to use government to actually infringe upon everybody's rights. so i think there's an inconsistency with their message, and i believe they're going to pay a price for that in the mid-term. >> i want to let you both comment on this. i want to start with you,
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latosha, because the other thing they're saying they're going to make it harder for you to vote. election police arresting 20 felons for voter fraud in the 2020 election. several of them arrested as part and interviews.own were notified and now, with her being arrested by desantis's election police. how frightened are people, particularly in states like florida, that essentially the right to vote is gonna subjected him to arrest? because that is his strategy. >> you know, i always talk about that. if you look historically in america, how voter suppression has always been three strategies. one, always been centered around restricting access to the ballot. second, it's been around waiting a culture of fear. third, it's been around weaponize against weight of processes. we saw desantis do that in florida where he has a stab list this voter fraud, voter fraud office for one point $1 million set aside. these people who actually were just heard, they received
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documents from the county. so that's their tactic to create fear, so others are not there to take advantage of this expanded right that people, like my friend jasmine mead and others, have actually voted for in 2018, and actually got passed with a legislation for the people in that state. so this is what this is creating, grating a culture of fear. so, people have been pushed out of the process will not engage in it. >> alicia i, want to comment on that too. we can't know what people need unless we have data. and i think what you are doing in terms of getting this data so important. so, talk about what's happening in florida. but also, talk about this data that you are, you know, pulling together in a way that is really profound. i've never seen anything of this size and scale. >> we really appreciate that, joy. yes, the future action fund, we ran the largest a recurring call of black adults in the country with over 6000 black adults being pulled over the course of a year, trying to
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understand peoples policy priorities, trying to understand peoples experiences. but a bigger than that, we want to understand the solutions that black folks want to see coming from our government. and what is so important about this, joy, you are absolutely right, it's that so many of our traditional calling methods, they really miss the nuance in black communities. we make sure that we are getting two people who aren't included in traditional polls from our communities, in order to kind of broaden out, right? what is it that black folks are experiencing. we signed a time and time again that what people are talking about is the most important issue is the economy. people want to see relief and recovery from the covid-19 pandemic. and we've been doing research this year, and we found out that in many states, where covid-19 numbers are coming from the federal government, they're not actually going to the things that they're going to -- things like education relief, housing relief, mortgage relief, right? they're not going to health care. they're going, you know, at
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least a third of those dollars are going to law enforcement. that's the challenge. everything else, joy, republicans, again, right now, there is a party of no proposals and no policies. and a black community and black voters know exactly what it is that you want to see. we want to see ongoing relief and recovery for the pandemic. >> well, i mean, listen, i took a poll. i think it's important that people get data, and you give a data. so have opted to take a survey like this, please do it. my sisters are gonna stay with it. latosha and at least they're gonna stick around this. what we're gonna do after the break? that is. next is. next
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we have made it to the end of the week, and what a week it has been! lord jesus, but that means, it is time to play, yes -- who one of the week. back with me, latosha brown and alicia garza. i'm gonna go with latosha first. latosha, who won the week? >> i love this. it's gonna be -- it's actually launched literally, working with megan the stallion, her organization launched the joyous door, one of the ten states all around the south. and literally, these dream festivals where girls are doing arts and culture, and cosmetic chemistry, and it's just beautiful. so, i think who won the week, southern black girls -- >> first of all, i like the name. i don't know why, when there's something about the name that i just like. i don't know what it is. alicia, --
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i don't know what it could be. alicia garza, who won the week? >> the white house twitter account won the week, when they read marjorie taylor greene for filth about her condescending position about alone release. when she got a got of loan relief, white house twitter account wins the week. >> and they've got a whole thread and doing all the people who got ppp, why do they need the money? they make 174,000 a year! >> i was here for that. we need more of this energy. >> please, more of that energy! i was picking the folks who got the student loans. if you had a student loan, if you had between $200,000 and student loan, you won the week. let's our government to. joy thank you alicia garza. thank you latosha brown. moment of joy, jamie foxx doing this. >> he tried to give me the -- [inaudible] give me the virus. >> excuse me, excuse me, fake
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news. >> alicia and latosha, as they're still there, i have to say, that a brother right there on the week. i think latosha, let him get on the bus. i want him on the boss, joining our journey. >> that's right. the prettiest bus all around. >> i want him on the bus. that is tonight's reidout. alicia, latosha, thank you all very much. by. all in with chris hayes starts right now. yes starts right now. >> tonight on all in -- >> probable cause exists double, even evidence, contraband, fruits of crime, other items illegally possessed will be found at mar-a-lago. tonight, the unsealed affidavit from the search of donald trump's home. new revelations from a letter explaining that redactions. and if there was a probable cause of a crime, and evidence of a crime recovered, what happens now? >> i think overarching takeaway is that at the former president is going
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