this is the katie phang show. live from miami florida. we have lots of news to cover. and lots of questions to answer. so let's get started. breaking overnight, donald trump's legal team files its court ordered supplement. and its quest for a special master. we will break down the details. and, the morning we learned about why the doj search the mar-a-lago home. the more republicans defend him. representative sheila jackson is here, to help make sense of it all. plus, from a military style campaign ad. with calls for battle. what governor ron desantis is

ramping up his violent rhetoric ahead of the midterms. how should democrats respond? i will put that question to nikki freed, who ran to take off desantis for governor. and, to spank are not to spank? we'll tell you about the school district bringing back physical punishment to deal with unruly kids. all that and more is coming up. ♪ ♪ ♪ and good saturday morning to you! i am kenny fang. where staying on top of breaking news this morning into the justice department probe into donald trump. and the handling of classified documents at the florida home. we begin with trump's legal team that filed a new court document late last night. in its pursuit of a quote special master. to oversee the review of evidence seized from mar-a-lago. trump's team did not elaborate on what exactly it hope the

party would filter out. but it did allege that the newly released redacted affidavit, has more questions than answers. and provides no information that allowed why trump to understand that the search happened. that is the latest in an extremely busy day of new developments in the case. let's start with nbc chief white house correspondent, peter alexander, about what we did manage to learn about the affidavit. >> three weeks after that unprecedented fbi search of former presidents search of the mar-a-lago home. new details on why the justice department pushed make the controversial move. the affidavit focuses on what they said they found in 16 boxes that mr. trump returned to the national archives in january, mix in with newspapers, magazines, and presidential correspondence. where 184 classified documents. 67 marked confidential. 92 miked secret. and 25 documents marked top secret. the government says the

unauthorized disclosure could result an excessively grave damage to national security. also, discovered dash comment sack contain information about clandestine sources. and mr. trump's handwritten notes. the affidavit reveals more about the timeline in may of last year, the national archives first requested the missing records from the former president. in january, mr. trump turned over those 15 boxes of classified information. a month later, the archives sent a criminal rehearsal to the justice department. mr. trump authorized it to have any privilege claims by mr. trump over the documents. allowing the fbi to examine them. in june, mr. trump turned over additional documents. two months later, the justice department submitted the affidavit to this federal judge. who approved granting the mar-a-lago search. the fbi argued there is probable cause that more classified documents with defense information where at mr. trump's residence. and there was possible cause to believe that destruction would

be found. but the affidavit with entire pages blacked out, leaves many unanswered questions about the extraordinary search of a former presidents home. that sparked fears blow back from republicans and mr. trump. he said the judge should've never allowed the break-in of my home. and slammed the redacted affidavit as a public relations subterfuge by the fbi and doj. after arguing that he had been turning over documents and the investigation is politically motivated. mr. trump had divided the entire affidavit be provided to the justice department to make substantial rig redactions to the investigation. including details about witnesses. we pressed president biden who said he had no advance knowledge of the search. >> is it ever appropriate [inaudible] classified and [inaudible] ? >> depending on the circumstances. for example, i have in my home, a space that is completely secure.

it's locked, i am a person with me. military with me. i lock it back up. and give it back to them. >> our thanks to peter alexander for that reporting. now, that's a lot of information for you to digest. so let's lifts her through a different question. are we one step closer to have a criminal prosecution of donald trump? here's what former trump campaign advisor carl had to say about the case on fox news. >> he took documents that under the presidential records act of 1978, should not have been taken from the white house. please give them all back. they obviously asked him a number of times, he gave 15 boxes back. why he continued to hold on to more boxes is beyond me. i think it would be in their best advice to the former president to leave this to his, lawyers and not to further comment on this. >> unless you missed it, that is carl rove. one of the key republican operators in this country for the last three decades. telling donald trump to stop

talking about this case. that tells you something. but there is another possible issue here. former fbi assistant director of counter intelligence. frank, says this information is so highly classified. it could be difficult, or even impossible, to bring into a court case. >> this information and these markings indicate that it is so sensitive, so sensitive, that it's going to become problematic to prosecute trump for this, i have numerous cases in my career, and they say i oversaw all espionage cases. the agency came to us and said, yes you caught the guy but this can't ever see the light of day. and we are not going to support a prosecution. >> that just gives you a small window into all of the different considerations that attorney general, merrick garland, must be considering right now. it's important to remember, this affidavit is not proof of the crime, it does show.

that the justice department believed in probable cause that a crime had been committed. but we are still add an investigation sage, as no charges have been filed yet. against trump, or any other criminal confederates as referenced in the redacted affidavit. lots to dig into. here with two great experts. cynthia, is a former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. clint watts is a national security analyst, and an author of messing with the enemy. so i want to thank you both for being here this morning. i want to ask you about trump's legal team in their strategy. and i'll put that in quotes. because it's still a head-scratcher for a lot of us that are lawyers. when you make of last night's filing that supplements, that was court ordered, that trump legal team had to do in their pursuit of the appointment of the special master? >> well, it's mostly a gobbledegook filing. it gets the law wrong. it misses a lot of facts. it does not have clear

reasoning about why they need the special master. it says the reinhart case is substantially over when it's not. it's an ongoing investigation. i just think that they are scrambling and they have nothing. the problem is, what they know is, this is an ongoing investigation. there is, there has been, serious probable cause in this case. over and over in abundance of probable cause. to do the search of mar-a-lago. when they were there, they found documents all over the place. in this premises, in hallways. lord knows what made it to be in and out of the addition in the basement. and the presence here is struggle, and they're scrambling. and you can tell when you look at the filing that they have filed yesterday, that they know that they are in trouble. -- i can also just say -- >>

sorry cynthia, having a little bit of a connection problem here. keep on going cynthia. i'm sorry. >> -- i can hear you. >> you can hear me? sorry about that. clint, what's can you make about what frank is saying about that highly sensitive information, that's potentially making this case more difficult. because clint, obviously the goal for the doj is to obtain an indictment, and conviction. but if you can't actually use the evidence to prosecute a defendant, what is the point? >> yeah, that's gonna be extremely difficult, i agree with frank. the reason that redactions are there, part of, it is to protect any sort of witnesses, any informants, or any source of information that they've been told that the documents were down there and they needed to do a search warrant from the other party, the sensitivity of

the documents that are there. for example, in the affidavit they would have to explain the documents to the judge of why they need you to go get it. we're not talking about the kim jong-un love letter, we're talking a very classified set of documents with the nation's top secrets. that they don't want out under any circumstances. if you were to take that into court, what would normally happen is some portion, or something related to those documents would have to be declassified. think of the damage that that could bring to the united states if you took that to trial. especially with some of these secrets. it would naturally give away what the sources were of those secrets. when we know what the sources were, or categorically. we don't know specifically. we're talking about human intelligence sources. we're talking about signals intelligence. we're talking about a foreign intelligence surveillance act. we're teleworking about things that are coming from overseas, particularly foreign sources. this is just the most, it's the most damaging information that came to the light of day. that would expose sources and

methods. would hurt our relationships with allies. i think above all, it would just be a big stain on the u.s. and their ability to have any secrets under any circumstance. so it will be a big question to me whether they will actually pursue this any further, based on the sensitivity of the documents. and we don't know how sides that of the are due to the redactions. >> yeah, cynthia, the unredacted portion of that affidavit was already particularly damning. it kind of makes you wonder, what's worse information could be contained underneath those blacked out portions. so what does it tell you that, if somebody like carl rove went on fox news and told trump to stop speaking about the case, do you think there is a concern from carl rove that trump is implicating himself criminally because he keeps on having people speak on behalf of his lawyers, or is issuing statements? >> well every time we turn around. there is another excuse. none is holding up. the thing about the affidavit is that it really does make out the violation of the documents

of the espionage act. what doesn't tell us about is the obstruction. and that may be where there is room for prosecution that doesn't have to show secrets in the courtroom. and that may be the way. and we just don't know anything about the obstruction. obviously, it doesn't say anything that helps us understand that. so, recognize that garland has a pretty big problem. yes he can prosecute, he can. but will he? does he have the will to do it. and that will be a function of what clint is talking about with the secrecy of the documents. but also, he has to make a decision. not only about this case, but about the insurrection about whether or not he wants to go forward and be the first person to prosecute a sitting president. so he's got a lot of his plate, and a lot of decisions to be made, sometime in the new year. >> but clint, there's a big difference. this is the biggest fight between whether or not, and i'm not trying to underplay, it or

downplay. it the insurrection is clearly a horrific thing. but there is a big difference between that, and the fact that national security, the security of americans, is or could have been jeopardized by donald trump's actions. so we've talked already a little bit about the markings on these documents. but i want to focus on the ones that signified human clandestine sources. let's make it simple for you, clinton, do you believe that it is possible that donald trump put lives at risk with the way that he handled or mishandled disinformation? >> the answer is simple katie. anytime classified information is taken out and not could probably fall into the hands of an enemy. or being used for personal game. we have fall into a very new low in our country. and we are the ones that are seen as the standard bearers for white rides in terms of

democracy, transparency. intelligence. where the ones who are supposed to have the best system. we clearly failed as a country. i think that's a massive issue that we will have to deal with going forward i am sure. if you are foreign ally right now you are really questioning whether you want to give anything to the united states. because you don't know where you'll end up. will it end up being used in the right way at the right time? or will it go to somebody's wedding and catering facility right now in florida. it's pretty damaging. and the human installments. i just want to add to that, the human alone. just the personal safety and danger with human intelligence. the rest of peoples lives. and then the signals space. the amount of investment, technologically, with tax players. to build those sources and methods. to use them to gain intelligence. so presidents and leaders around the u.s. and elected officials could make more good decisions about policy. that is grave economic cost when those things spell out. because, our foreign

adversaries, countries like russia, vladimir putin. when they learned the information. they kill off the human sources. or they close of signal and intercept pathways. that just makes an even bigger burden of our country to devote and do the right thing. and, you know, really just show a return on taxpayer investment to all the intelligence agencies. which is supposed to be supporting the decisions of our lawmakers. >> cynthia, and clint watts. we talk about these issues a lot. but the reality is the incredibly serious. and it cannot be underscored. i appreciate both of you bringing your insight and your expertise to the table today. thanks for being here. and thanks for your patience with our issue. i appreciate that too. and coming up, top democrats are calling on the incel community to do an immediate damage assessment of the documents seized from mar-a-lago. what role does congress have in all of this to make sure it

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as we learn more about that federal probe into donald trump's half hazard, at the very least, document keeping at his home in mar-a-lago. we're starting to see congress become more involved. on friday, the senate intel chair, mark warner, reiterated the rich request for a damage assessment of possible national security risks connected to the case. political also reporting that the game of the elites, made of the top four democrats and top four republicans in congress. they asked for access to the records that were seized in mar-a-lago. that's according to two people

with direct knowledge of the request. the aid has made clear that the white house briefed on classified intelligence. as the investigation goes on, exactly what is the responsibility of congress here? i'm glad to welcome to the show, texas congresswoman sheila jackson lee. she sits on the homeland security and judiciary committees. thank you so much for being here this morning. we're seeing leaders in your party calling on the incel community for an immediate look at the risks that are posed here. how this happened, and to ensure that it does not happen again. so where are we standing on the call for this assessment? and what specific asset shuns can congress take to protect americans? >> great to be here this morning. thank you for having me. i absolutely feel it with my colleagues. and frankly, i think it should be an expanded investigation by both the homeland security committee, which will serve be up to our chairman. and the judiciary committee,

which will be up to chairman nadler. and i am on the committee of terrorism and homeland security. the question is, what impact has this had. or potentially had on national security? and i think the plan that has not been emphasize, this is the president of the united states, former presidents. if we look over our history, because many people are attacking the department of justice or the fbi. i want them to cite one example of a former president that we have had this kind of in scourge and into a domestic security question. national security. who in the historic record, from our founding father george washington has ever been caught taking, stealing, commandeering, national security documents. 25 of these documents were top secret. do you know, when we had a top secret briefing in the united states congress. we are in something called a skiff, with no phones.

locks behind a very solid nor. this is a dangerous proposition that has -- our custodian of the important records on behalf of the american people. they are doing their job. and they should not be accused of any kind of partisan politics. >> yeah. and you know representatives. you get trump apologist like nick mulvaney. yesterday he said that this is just about documents. but to the point that you just made though. there seems to be as scraping the emphasis on the level of classification of the documents that were found at mar-a-lago. some of the documents had a designation, quote, clandestine human services. can you help our viewers have better understand the actual risks that are posed to our national security, in this kind of situation? >> they are enormous. one of the things that i learned in fighting to get the release of trevor reed, brittney griner, and paul

whelan. it was the number of hostages held by foreign, negative energies -- americans. when you think of the names over sources of individuals securing important information through human deeds, human activities. if that was exposed. none of these individuals will be in jeopardy. they might still be posted in countries around the world. maybe our adversaries are enemies. but the families may be in jeopardy. and if you look at the description in the affidavit, you will see. that these documents were laying around in files. that were unmarked. intermingled with organ nary files, behind doors that were not allowed. inaccessible for any visitor and person with the wrong intent. so the opening of the affidavit. this is a criminal investigation to ensure that

the duties of the national archives which are to take care of these very secure documents. as well as to preserve the history and the story for the american people and they proceed to the electoral count, this is an important independent agency and the doj is responsible for representing agencies that you know at the level of crisis that we have, and i'm sorry to mr. mulvaney, you are absolutely wrong. you have misread the danger of what these documents would do for people still active in the field. when i say that of course, that would be our intelligence community. and the question, and the nexus for judiciary and homeland security is. are the american people in jeopardy. and the american people and threats of terrorist activities because information has gotten out? and then what baffles me. we're baffles me is that singularly, the former president is the only former

president that we have ever encountered for this kind of behavior. can you imagine that all presidents have some has favor encountered and they gave it all back as they should have. >> congresswoman, changing topics before i let you go you are very familiar with the grief in your home's state of texas and the committee of uvalde's continued to mourn its losses. just hours ago, the uvalde people gathered in the home to encouraging them to take action on guns. how do they do that? i play the sounds of how happy the kids were before the tragedy. let's take a listen. >> [inaudible] [inaudible] today is my first day. and to you on mother's day zero.

[inaudible] i want to wish all the moms out there happy mother's day even if you're not my mom. >> congresswoman, as a mom, just as a human. that is cutting to hear. what is your reaction to the lack of action that is happening with greg abbott right now? >> it is an outrage. and it is one of the most herding experiences that i have had in my lifetime. i was down in uvalde within days of may 24th. i am worshipped in their major church. catholic church where president biden road trips as well. i hugged the children, and parents. i listen to stories. particularly, mr. garza, who is having a baby who had a terrible ending. we will be going down to uvalde as a judiciary committee. subcommittee. and we will be holding a

hearing. in the next week. and that hearing will be to have experts have this question of what happened. but also, most importantly, to live and listen to the parents and their pain. and for them to tell us the immense need for action. none of it came out of the governor's visit, to uvalde. nothing has come out of the task force. and unlike von. where his twin adversary is in terms of competing for the presidency of the united states. he did not even think to raise the age of the person of a assault weapon. a weapon of war. he did not think to look to banning these dangerous weapons that are utilized by the national guard at the border. he knows that they are weapons that belong in the hands of our military. he did not even think to

provide immediate counseling on the ground. using the resources that have been given by the federal government. so no action, i stand with those parents. i would be with them but i stand with them and i look forward. but our judiciary committee goes to uvalde for an official hearing. i look forward to hearing the testimony. and having input on the official record for the united states congress to her on the behalf. >> congresswoman sheila jackson lee great to have you on the show. we appreciate you being here. and we will be right back! we will be right back! discover sound that can truly move you

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what does it say that in the bill? i'm asking to tell me what's in the bell. all right for. >> hey ron desantis. you are no tom cruise. yes we can make fun of it, but there's a serious takeaway here. desantis is teaching his campaign like a military mission. and is calling on americans to get ready for battle. buckle of! put on the full armor of god. take a stand against the left games. i'm on a mission to cave florida free! >> he even took it a step further when he called out a specific target. >> one of the people like fauci saying. that his lockdown didn't cause any permanent damage to any young kids. i know he said he's going to retire, someone needs to grab that little elf and chuck him across the room.

>> violent language has grown more mainstream among republicans. and we've seen how it could lead to real life consequences from the january 6th insurrection. so the recent attack on the fbi's facility in cincinnati. governor ron desantis. a leading member of the republican party, with a possible eye on the presidency. makes dangerous statements like these. we shouldn't take it lightly. joining me now onset is florida agriculture commissioner nikki freed. who ran the democratic primary to take on desantis for a primary. and charlie chris and it up taking over. thank you for being on the show. during the campaign, you made it very clear that ron desantis was trafficking a divisive rhetoric. wouldn't you tend to agree? >> it is very dangerous, and we have seen the heightened violence in our state and i was out of florida couple months ago. and had a proud boy who was in there who accosted me verbally. so you are seeing this aggressiveness on the state.

you've seen neo-nazis writing on the state. you see the rhetoric going after the federal judge who signed a warrant. and unfortunately, desantis is escalating the situation by having these commercials, these talking points. and it's getting dangerous out here. >> so you're the only person who say cecily run a statewide race as commissioner of agriculture. and unfortunately lost in the primary to charlie chris. so charlie chris was on the show. a while ago, and he was asked by me. how do you plan on fighting rhonda santas in this battle royal between the two. quickly, this is what he had to say about that. >> he is on the battlefield of hate. i am about a field of love. i'm gonna beat him because i am running on love. and love always wins! >> okay. so nikki. let's speak frankly here the. shouldn't charlie crist be ready to fight fire with fire? >> yeah you're right. because unfortunately we're in a different time right now. where you are having someone like ron desantis, who spent

the last three and a half years, even during his campaign for governor in 2018. he really tried to show this machismo personality. that he is just going to go into the media. going after the media during covid. and going after anybody who goes against him. i mean look, he and i battle it out all the time in cabinet meetings. because you're not gonna get the respect of people in our state. and be able to pull other individuals away from this awful rhetoric. and you are willing to stand up against it. and that's why we have the entire campaign. but also the agriculture. being in the trenches every single day. taking it on. because people want to know, yes. we need to reunite our state. yes we have to start the rhetoric, and the culture words. but we have to get your first. and in order for us to get there, we have to show strength. and that's what democrats want. democrats want right now, those fierce fighters that are gonna stand up for our ideals and push back on the dangerous rhetoric. >> so, speaking of. you ended up emphasizing as well during your campaign, this

idea that we do have to have some party unity. no matter what hands of happening. can we count on you to be able to put your support behind charlie crist as he runs in the election at the midterms in november? >> of course. and i said that on tuesday night after my concessions. ph we are at a time right now not just here in the state of florida, but across the entire country. where democracy is on the ballot. where some people right now are scared to go to work. teachers cannot teach. students cannot be who they are. we are whitewashing history in the state of florida. and so, i have said, not only have i endorse charlie crist. i was at the event thursday night. never any of my supporters, people who were passionately behind my campaign. this is not a time to sit back. we have to not only be able to go out and vote, we need to be registering others to vote. especially when our right to privacy, and the fundamental choice for a woman is on the ballot. because, ron wants to go further than the 15-week

abortion ban. even after the cabinet meeting on tuesday. he was asked about. it and he waffled to a soft on his answer. and that should be alarming to everybody in our state that he wants to go further. so we need to unite the party. and not only the party, but we've got almost a third of our electorate are independent. so we made to make sure we're having our conversation with the electorate, and also republicans. we need those republican women to feel that we are going to take care of them. their families, their, children and of course the right to choose. >> quickly, before i have to let you go to your supporters of which there were many. and your fans out there. they can expect to see more of you, not just after you serve for the commissioner. >> without a doubt. even on tuesday night. we started a movement. that the passion that we felt, no matter where we went across the strait. and in miami, to south florida, in subdual florida. we started a movement and we gave women this choice. we say things don't happen overnight, change doesn't happen overnight. so i'm not going anywhere, i love my. states i love the people that i

serve. and so, we'll be around for a long time. >> i am grateful for you taking the time for you today to make sure you have your insight. commissioner of agriculture for the state of florida. nick you. fareed thanks for being here. coming up! buyers remorse. republicans got what they wanted with the overturning of roe v. wade. so why are some now stifling the stands on the issue? plus, the political implications of the mar-a-lago affidavit. what could that mean for the midterms and 2024? stick around for more of the katie phang show. old to drink. i drink what helps me rehydrate and recover: pedialyte® sport. because it works... and so do i. ♪♪ hydration beyond the hype. ♪♪

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decades trying to restrict abortion rights. now that they have managed to grab that brass ring, many republicans appear to be deep in regret. since roe was overturned, more abortions are planned and at least ten states. three new ones just this week. republican-led tennessee and idaho passing near total bans with no exceptions for rape or incest, or even the life of the mud in idaho. in texas, a trigger law that would punish doctors with possible life in prison, and 100,000 dollar fine. one third of u.s. women now living in a state with bands. that is a lot of potential voters. this turns from the new york times shows a recent surge in new female voter registration in some conservative and moderate states. it does not necessarily indicate which way they will vote.

it does appear to be scaring some republicans. in arizona, senate candidate blake master scrubbed his website this week of his more extreme abortion rules. in washington state, senate nominee to fund the smiley put out a new ad saying she is pro-life, but making clear she opposes a federal ban. plus, federal senator marco rubio with this judge on thursday. >> would you support a federal ban on abortion? >> i think that right now this issue is appropriate before the state. that is where it should have always been. we do not have the votes, now or any time in the near future for that. >> as the washington post puts it, could the gop be reeling from buyers remorse on this issue? joining me now for more is republican strategist, susan del percio, and michael, former president to joe biden. good morning to both of. you thanks for being. here susan, i will throw the first question to you. political reporting that maker

in -- republican candidates are being outraced by dems who are angry that roe is overturned. do you think that is evidence of a wider feeling of buyers remorse within the party? >> it is a sense of buyers remorse. i have not worked with republican candidates, i have for 30 years. for those who are pro-life, they are very comfortable in the space of saying yes, i am pro-life, except for rape, incest, or life of the mother. plus, it is already settled law. that is where most conservatives running in swing states, or swing districts, were able to pivot to. now that is removed from their argument. and yes, republicans, the political sector, not necessarily the right to life group, but the political groups of republicans who want to win back majorities in the house of senate, they are very concerned because it has taken most states to a level of complete extremism. we now see some saying,

absolutely, under no circumstances should abortion be allowed. that is what i believe led to the results we saw in kansas. not that kansas is a pro-choice state, but they are anti-extremists. >> michael, conventional was dumb though, midterm elections tend to favor the party out of power. the wall street journal editorial board is warning republicans this fall might be different. in an op-ed titled, gop support and problem, they say republicans are now on the back foot. they are talking about abortion as if roe were still the law. now the policy stakes are real. republicans will have to make clear what specific abortion limits they favor and why. michael, you are a comms guy. is that going to work with conservative voters? >> i do not think so. i think that there is a lot of warning lights that are blinking red for republicans, right now. in a year it should be a layout for them. you mentioned the voter registration rates among women. that is some of the first bit of evidence we are seeing in

reaction to row. i am sorry, into jobs. but, i think the republicans are discovering, like susan mentioned, that the reality is very different than the rhetoric they have been practicing for a long time. it reminds me a little bit of the care appeal. republicans tried for years to take away obamacare. voters really do not like when the rates are taken away. they have shown, in the past, their willingness to punish politicians who try. i think that is what you are seeing, and what you saw in kansas. i think that is what you could be seeing in the midterms, especially in the senate where a lot of these candidates are really tripping over themselves, and tying themselves into knots, trying to soft and the language and re-adjust their position, or, in some cases, scrubbed their websites. >> so, susan, switching gears a bit, i would be remiss not to ask both of you about the redacted copy of the fbi

affidavit that was used to justify the surge of trump's mar-a-lago estate. as we know, portions of it were unsealed friday. showing agents found other things including materials marked top secret. susan, will the new revelations about trump and has possibly putting national security risk change voters minds? >> it will not change the minds of die hard maga republicans. president biden is now referring to that. it is actually a good strategy. those are the most extreme of the republican party. some forget, donald trump lost his reelection bid. he lost about 15 to 20% of moderate, center-right republican. this is the kind of thing that will continue to keep those voters turned off by donald trump. in addition, a lot of those republican voters, even those who voted for him in 2016 and 2020 are ready to move on. so, at the fact that donald trump will not stop talking about 2020. now we have found that there are records and that he has kept them at mar-a-lago, that are putting our men and women

around the globe in danger. that is a big turn off. to a significant amount of republican voters. >> last question to you, a new nbc copy released was found and found that trump's party has only gotten stronger since the fbi search mar-a-lago. 41% of republicans say they identify more with trump. then with the party, that is up seven points since may. michael, isn't this news, perhaps, good for joe biden? should he run again in 2024? he has no nemesis at that point. >> >> that's right. i can just tell you, from experience, traveling around the country, from a little over a year on the campaign, back in 2020, with the first lady and the president, that voters were really -- and, i think, seriously mentioned -- republicans, moderates, independents alike are kind of fatigued from the kind of saturation of chaos that trump brings to discourse in the

country. and i think that people are just sick of the reality show and the circus and i think this is the latest controversy where his lead the legal issue, his latest legal issue, is reminding them of that -- i think that voters are little bit fatigued by it. >> susan del percio, michael arreaza, my powerhouse panel this morning, -- and coming, up one school district bringing back spanking and the superintendent says parents are thinking him. really? we are going to talk to psychologist paul of madrid about the implications of this, coming up next. ming up next ♪ (customer) save yourself?! money with farmers. (burke) that's not wrong. when you bundle your home and auto policies with farmers, you save yourself up to twenty percent. (customer) that's something. (burke) get a whole lot of something with farmers.

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district in missouri reinstated spanking as a solution to unruly students. parents will now have the ability to opt in or opt out of the new policy, which says physical punishment can be used, quote, when all other alternative means of discipline have failed and that only in reasonable form, and upon the recommendation of the principal. superintendent mayoral johnson confirming to usa today that the punishment includes swatting the bug ox with a paddle, and two swings for younger students, and up to three for the older ones. for those of you wondering how this could even be legal, in 1977, the united states supreme court ruled school corporal can punishment was constitutional, and lifted up to the states to decide what to do.

today, it is allowed in 19 states, including missouri and, of course, florida. for more on all this, we are joined by clinical and forensic psychologist paula madrid. good morning, doctor, thanks for being here this morning. we should note that this is happening in with the superintendent self described as a very traditional rural community. and he claims that he even had parents calling him to thank him for this move. on the other hand, the united nations actually considers corporal punishment to be human rights violation. what was your reaction, initially, when you heard this news? and kind of give us your take as a psychologist who works with children. >> sure, my reaction is that -- i have a great deal of empathy for parents and professors and teachers. because discipline is really challenging. however, there is nobody of literature that supports corporal punishment. it just doesn't work. it creates an atmosphere of fear and anxiety. it's no way to discipline anyone. it really just does not help. it does not develop. it does not result in

developmental health, resiliency or a good relationship. therefore, it does not work. >> so, in your professional opinion, what is your recommendation for the most effective way of disciplining children in a classroom sitting setting who are misbehaving at school? >> discipline begins with a relationship. if you establish a positive, caring, trusting relationship with the student, you will actually be able to have many ways of dealing with behavior problems, with situations that are outside of the ability for you to handle. talking about what will happen in a way that makes sense, having a conversation about in what way can i help you when you are upset, it really does [inaudible] the fact, it does not begin at the moment that the teacher that the or school official feels out of sorts and are unable to cope with what is going on and has resorted physical punishment.

it just does not work. >> so let's deal with some of the hockey that exist on some of these issues. during the height of covid, some parents claiming that forcing covid children to wear a mask constituted child abuse. let's take a quick listen. stituted child abuse >> masking children's child abuse! you mask your child, you are a child abuser. >> doctor, can you help us understand why some people think it is okay to paddle kids in school for discipline but then others who consider protecting children against covid with masks as constituting child abuse? >> listen, i cannot help them, because it does not make sense to me, it doesn't make sense to anyone in the field of psychology or mental health. for any child, any form of physical punishment, just will not make a difference in the way that you are looking to make a difference. it will not result in any type of positive outcome. it increases aggression, anxiety, fear. it does not work. therefore, it does not make sense whatsoever. it is completely incongruent and inconsistent. >> i have just about a minute

left, but i want to ask you -- there is so much drama making its way into the classrooms this year, for example, the in florida, the don't say gay law -- the banning of certain books is okay. are you worried about how kids are going to be able to navigate these issues? because it seems to be a lot of extra pressure on them. e it seems>> i'm very concernede way that the educational system is going in some of these states. i actually think about this all of the time. i really do believe this -- provide a very safe environment where one can discuss issues that are valuable. and why not allow children to engage in conversations? why not begin an open conversation about issues that may or may not impact them personally? i think really, it's important for school to be the place where many conversations are explored, and we are no banding takes place of that sort in particular. >> dr. paula madrid, we

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