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i love that. i was starting to join you. but you want me to cut it off now? my viewers are like, no. thank you good to see you, have a good one! >> a very good day to all of you from msnbc world headquarters here in new york. welcome everyone to alex witt reports. we begin to another new legal filing of the fbi search to mar-a-lago, this is in addition to the head spinning -- legal documents in the last few hours. the newest one is from donald trump himself. it's a supplemental failing to support trump's request for a special master to review items seized by the fbi. in its, trump's lawyers are also asking for more detailed receipts from items seized in the fbi search, arguing that the redacted affidavit provides almost no information that would allow trump to understand

why the search took place. or what was taken from his home. they also argued that the presidential records act is not a criminally enforceable statute. and new reaction from both sides of the aisle to the released affidavit. it opened a criminal investigation to determine how classified records were removed and came to be stored at mar-a-lago, whether mar-a-lago was authorized to store classified information, whether any additional classified records could've been stormed at mar-a-lago or another location, and whether they remained at any such location and to identify any person who may have removed or obtain classified information without authorization or in an unauthorized space. neither the affidavit or a search warrant is evidence that a crime has been committed, but the content represented when the doj believes was probable cause for a search, and raised

security concerns over the way these records were handled. >> not only was this a reckless act by a former president, it may in fact be a criminal act. if you read the affidavit, it comes very clear that every t was crossed and every i was dotted. when you have someone who for 18 months, refused to turn over documents that did not belong to himself, that's theft. it's grand theft. >> well, at least one former member of trump's circle is defending him on twitter, this is just about documents and characterize the search as outrageous. nancy pelosi shutting down the notion that it was political. >> if in fact the justice department has its case to make, how can they possibly say it is politically motivated? unless they are protecting their own political motivation

in these matters of national security? >> as you can imagine we've got a lot to sort through this hour with nbc's -- along with charlie savage, a pulitzer prize-winning washington correspondent for the new york times, and ben rhodes, former deputy national security adviser for president obama. now msnbc contributor. welcome all, ben, charlie, let's walk through this affidavit. ben, to you, in these 15 boxes trump returned, a full year after he left the white house, the fbi says that 184 classified documents, 25 of which were marked top secret, 92 secret, 67 confidential. there is mention of who meant, or hcs material derived from clandestine human sources, as well as restricted from -- agencies restricted from foreign nationals obtained from fisa or special intelligence. that ben, there is so much

redacted. we still don't know what was actually taken from trump. can you give us some examples about what kind of items these could be? >> sure, alex, when you get into top secret documents, you're getting to the highest levels of classification in the u.s. government. here's what the distinction is. a confidential marking, as some of these documents have might be something that you want to keep proprietary for the u.s. government. it could be a transcript of a phone call with a foreign leader, but it may not reveal sensitive sources -- when you get to a top secret document, it's not just the words on the printed page, it's how did we acquire the information that led to the words on the printed page. you're talking about the type of information that would be derived from human sources of intelligence, so these are human beings in the united states works with around the world, often in very dangerous circumstances to gather information, or technical methods of intelligence.

it signals intelligence that is used to gather information. or can be information about national defence measures of the united states, military movements, so we're talking about things that, if revealed to foreign adversaries, could put human beings at risk. it could put important intelligence gathering methods of the u.s. government at risk. you talk about the kinds of information that for a reason, the u.s. government does not want in a unsecured location, because they could be exploited by foreign adversaries. >> okay, so this affidavit also said that some of the documents, to ben's point, charlie, could contain national defence information. additional documents remained at the mar-a-lago premises. evidence of obstruction were found at mar-a-lago. here's trump's response. after being heavily redacted,

nothing mentioned a nuclear. how do you interpret that charlie? >> it's right that nothing was mentioned on nuclear. those lists of acronyms and abbreviations of the different sorts of highly classified material was found notably did not have restricted data, already, which is the classification category used for nuclear secrets, like how to build a bomb. the washington post reporter early on on this that they heard nuclear information was in this and everyone paid a lot of attention to that. other news outlets including window own have not been able to match that. the lack of this airman suggests this was breaking up the wrong tree. this is not to say that they were not a lot of other very sensitive documents that were haphazardly thrown around at mar-a-lago and these boxes that were not stored correctly. it may be that the nuclear thing was a red herring. >> okay, so ben, this affidavit,

it spells out requirements for any individual to get security clearance. it includes that they must properly protect classified information -- they must not unlawfully removed from unauthorized locations or storied in unauthorized locations. what does this tell you about how these documents were handled compared to how they should have been handled? >> it tells me that they violated every protocol. they violated the law. there's a reason why they've systems of classification. there's a reason why this kind of information, alex, at -- i couldn't take this information with me, even when i had an active security clearance. the idea of, when you're leaving government, you're gonna pack up the most sensitive information of the u.s. government, take it to a non-government facility that's not designed to protect that information -- we can assume that mar-a-lago

has been a principal foreign intelligence target, countries like russia, china, and others have tried to penetrate an easy target. you have people wondering around this hotel complex. it's clear that he was violating every protocol that the whole system depends upon. it's also the case, alex, when you leave the government, you don't carry your security clearance with you. other people that were working for donald trump, the people that were working at mar-a-lago, presumably were not even cleared to be in possession of this information. so they were very haphazardly dealing with some of the most sensitive information in the u.s. government. they held on to this for a year and a half. they held on to it after they were notified that they had to return it. it makes a lot of questions about what's in that information. and given the volume of documents, here, we're not just talking about a couple of files that were misplaced. this is an enormous volume. just make one comment on mick

mulvaney's point. it's not just documents. the documents themselves are a roadmap to how the united states governments collects information. anyone can look at these documents could be reviewing it document that reviews to multiple forms of intelligence collection around the world. the whole system depends on people not doing what trump was doing here, and that's why there are laws that he has violated, and keeping information at mar-a-lago. >> you have to wonder how countries that have worked currently with united states are reacting to this, wondering if any further work with the united states will be protected and safe. there's all that fallout. let me get to, charlie, with you, with the affidavit looks like under this heading we're showing here. there is probable cause to believe that documents containing class of fide -- remain at the premises, almost this entire sections blacked out except for these last few lines seeking authorization for the search. this part, is this where you

might expect details on the sources, the specific intel that the fbi was acting on? >> absolutely. the left trunks in the narrative that absolutely, the large chunks in the are blacked out are the places where the narrative that were fbi was telling the judge, here is blacked out how is how the fbi we know i was telling the judge here's how we know it was here. everything about the everything about the grand grand jury subpoena we jury subpoena, issued in, i think it was may was blacked. out to just go indirectly and sees these materials because they just kept getting blacked over, it is blacked. out there are things to multiple witnesses that the government has been working with. they are arguing about what those witnesses not to them, which has got to be what is under these black lines. it has to remain secret because if they came out, even if it wasn't naming names, very quickly trump supporters, trump and self, trump supporters on

social media would be harassed, intimidated, is there be tampered with. and so that is why the government is keeping all of that secret. but we can confer that they are talking to multiple people in trump's circle where the source of the information that if they went back into mar-a-lago with the search organ that they would find more government -owned documents, some classified, some. not either way, a crime. >> that is extraordinary given given wet who would've been privy to this information. at one point, we must been talking about that there must be one, and now we are talking that there must be light multiple sources. again, this is a pretty tight circle. so that is something to be figured out in trump. world let me ask you again, ben, the same day the national archives notified congress that the certified national archives

have been found in those 15 boxes, trump pack put out a statement founding that national archives quote, did not find anything that they were given a upon request presidential records in an ordinary in routine process. the eight pages following that statement are redacted, except for the headings, and then this tidbit. on, or about me six 2021 naira made a request for the missing pr records and continue to make requests until approximately late december 2021, when era was informed 12 boxes were found and ready for retrieval at the premise. what is your take away from that, then? >> i mean, the take away was just that they were not on the level of the documents that they had, in cooperation with the archives. again, this isn't a few misplaced files. this isn't just like a handful of file folders. these are backs's boxes and boxes of classified documents they were made aware of in violation of federal law on particles. and so they weren't dealing in

good faith, clearly. i think it raises the big question at the center of all this, alex, which is why did he want to have this information? for what purpose was he taking this information with him? again, it doesn't feel like you would go to these lengths to hold information illegally in your residence for nostalgia purposes, or sentimentality purposes. if he had any personal interest in maintaining this information, i think that that escalates the degree to which this is a real national security issue and a real legal issue for trump in his circle. because it seems like, given that they weren't dealing in good faith and are turning everything on their ass, they want to hold on to something. well why do they want to hold on? and they knew that the government was aware that they're holding on to it. so, to me, they can't really spend their way out of this. he is tweeting about no new killer, you know he is not

dealing with the underlying question. why did you have this information, in violation of the law, and for what purpose did you have this information? and we know that the government knows what is in this documents. we also know, by the, way that they are not declassified or would it be redacted. >> yeah, so to that in charlie, let me ask you about this because to that and the letter from trump's lawyers, and it was through the doj dated may 25th. it is unredacted, i should say. and they argue that the president has absolute authority to declassify documents, and that presidential actions involving presidential documents or not sanction site subject to presidential sanction. the fact that this letter was included in the affidavit, and that the judge still signed off on the search warrant, does i mean that this issue of declassification and the claims by donald trump in his group, is it settled? >> there are two things to say no spot to that letter. one is that it is interesting and important to notable that

in making this abstract statement that a president can classify anything. the lawyer in may did not make any assertion you think that after the raid trump's camp puts out this claim for the first time this month that he had a standing order to declassify anything that he had to take out of the oval office which is a problematic claim on all kinds of levels. but one of them is that there has never been any other evidence that has come to light that order actually exists, and if it did exist, you think that it would have showed up in this letter protesting the subpoena, essentially and making this abstract claim that a president could to classify something. so that is interesting. but the larger point you're getting at is, all of this focus on whether or not these documents were classified, had he declassify them somehow even though the markets were removed, is to some extent barking up the wrong tree. because, the three laws that

the justice department is pursuing now all do not depend on whether the documents were classified. it is irrelevant. prosecutors do not need to prove whether naughty docking meant was classified to convict someone under any of those three laws. they involve the theft or concealment of government records, generally, classified or not. the concealment of documents, as part of an attempt to obstruct a government effort like the effort to retrieve these documents. also, nothing to do the classified information one way or the other. and then the espionage act, which does deal with national security information but was written decades before the classification system existed it standards of what documents were sensitive does not define that was classified or not because that system doesn't exist yet. it just has to be defence related information with an aide of foreign adversity or harm in the night states. and so, all of this discussion classification by trump lead and some stands spurred by the

spectacle of finding these highly is classified documents and then trump making this claim that he had to classify them all somehow, is to some extent a distraction from what is the real legal peril of the former president and his circle are facing in response to this crisis. >> i've got to tell you, not a moment of distraction in this conversation with you guys. thank you so much, charlie savage, and ben rhodes. really excellent. thank you, so much. >> let's go from there now, to abc's gary rumba who is following president biden in wilmington delaware. gary, welcome to you. how is the president reacting to this released affidavit? >> yeah, we really haven't heard much from the president on this topic, in part because of his covid quarantines and because of his multiple vacations. but he was feeling chatty astronaut to reporters multiple times about the topic of the fbi search of mar-a-lago. the biden white house has made it a real priority for them to keep the work that the justice department separate from the political work of the white house. we saw that with the

investigation into hunter biden, we saw that with the january six investigation by the doj, and we are seeing that here, as well. here's what the president had to say in the national security implications of more than 130 classified documents found at mar-a-lago. >> we will let the justice department determine that. we will see what happens. >> so, not a lot there, alex. but nbc's peter alexander did have a chance to catch up with the president later in the day and talk to him about what he does with that's about documents and how he handles them. take a listen. >> depending on the circumstances, i have in my home a cabin off space that is completely secure and i'm taking home with me today, today's -- it is locks. i have a person with me, military with. me i read, it i lock it back up and give it to the military. >> and as we are starting to see with the presidents upcoming travel to pennsylvania

next week, he is going to hit the road and hit the trail and try to campaign for democrats, and also campaigned on what he believes are his administration's whims. including the chips act, the inflation reduction act, and the student loan cancellation that happened this week. but as we are seeing, even donald trump is not in washington, the air and oxygen is completely taken up by donald trump. alex. >> i know, we were talking about that in our team area this morning. anyway, gary graham back thank you so much. as you know, 24 hours ago the story broke. everyone on our guests, reporters, anchors, they went to the affidavit reading it, breaking it down in realtime, in just a few minutes, i will talk with a guest who was in that group that you are seeing. she is going to give us her take on the significant number of civilian witnesses mentioned in the affidavit, and why the use of the word significant is noteworthy. but first, i demand for gun control in texas. the message that uvalde parents are sunday at a rally in austin. that is next. t a rally in auinst that is next

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uvalde shooting victims and march for our lives activists are railing for stricter gun laws. those families last 19 children there gathered around the governor's mansion to send him the message to prevent further loss of life. -- priscilla, welcome, what are you hearing from the folks at the rally today? >> alex, there are a couple of hundred people have come out from across the state to be here today and make their voices heard. specifically speaking, to governor abbott, you can see the crowd behind me. i also want you to be able to see what those folks are looking at. they're looking at photos of people who have lost their lives to violence. people who are on the stage,

holding the photos of their loved ones, that they last in uvalde, the 2018 shooting at santa fe texas. they're saying they want something to change specifically as it relates to legislation. they want a special legislation -- that is what these folks have come out to make very clear. we've seen several of the families of the victims from the uvalde shootings come all the way up here to have their voices heard. >> okay priscilla, i'll be honest to tell you, that speaker you is extremely loud, i'm going to hope that we can come back to when that person is not talking and hear you more clearly. but i did get the gist of that reporting, thank you so much. and we'll have a guest for us, as well. thank you priscilla. >> at the meantime let's go to start numbers. they have been at least 54 of them this month, taking the

lives of 48 people. at that to this year's total, now 471 people dead, the carnage from 440 mass shootings in this country. now to the southwest where they're growing fears of a once in a millennia maker trout which will further demonstrate the agricultural industry. lake mead supplies water to seven states, it's less than a quarter full. now farmers and ranchers are taking drastic measures. let's go to msnbc's scott -- weather experts saying, scott, about this pro hundred. how are farmers dealing with it? >> it is very severe, alex, and probably not ending anytime soon. let me orange hit you a little bit more. lake mead, of course, is the reservoir that's formed by hoover dam which is not far from here. fighter this vast basin supply

and water to western states. where i'm standing here, not long ago, it was underwater. if you look behind me, you can see what they call the bathtub ring. it represents where the lake would be if it was full. it hasn't been for where it hasn't been for many years. return to feet below that. the marina behind me, every time the lakers down a few feet, they have to physically move it. they've had to do it multiple times this year. there's still a vast amount of lake left. people are voting here today. it's fine as far as that goes. but as for the farmers, we talked with nancy haywood, she's in casa grande arizona, 400 miles away from me. the water allocation to farmer has gone down significantly. in a good you should be growing crops like cotton and barley, this year other can do is alfalfa. in order to make ends meet, she

said, they have to get creative. >> we thought about alternative crops, but everything uses water. when there's no water in the canals, we can't do it. so we decided to get creative and diversify a few years ago. i started doing farm tours on our farm which helps us a lot. >> but you can't really run a farm just on tours. more importantly, experts say, you can't feed a nation. >> americans don't really think to heart about where their food sources come from, but it's agricultural production that significant in terms of meeting the dietary requirements of americans. if the diversions went away there would be a real hit to our food systems across the country. that's something that everyone should pay attention to. we can show you a map of the

current u.s. drought monitor. the darker the area the more severe the drought, and it is affecting some of the key growing areas of the u.s.. it is important to note though, alex, this is just a snapshot. the strategy going on now on and off for 20 years. pierre i >> mean it feels like we have been talking about it that long. i should note, i think you are at the only still remaining opener marina on that lake. they're like six or eight of them, that is the only one left, right? >> it is the only boat launch. there are only other marinas but is the only place where you can launch a but right now. it is here at hemingway harbor on lake mead. so they say that there is like a three-hour wait if you want to launch a vote. so a lot of people, this is help the marina because people are just storing their votes here rather than wait in line to launch. >> okay, well thank you for that. appreciate it, scott. donald trump declares until his innocence is a person can be, but one in that redacted affidavit might prove otherwise? a legal scholar weighs in next.

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affidavit documenting what the fbi raided trump's mar-a-lago resort is of course now public. roughly 21 pages of the 38-page documents were blacked out, but it revealed that the initial batch of documents sealed from mar-a-lago contained highly classified national security documents. in the 15 boxes turned over to the national archives in january, the fbi found 184 unique documents bearing classified markings, including 67 artist confidential. 92 marked secret, and 25 marked top secret. the court papers laid out the governments rationale for certainty former presidents property this month, where fbi reportedly found even more classified documents. joining me now, joys fan. she is a former u.s. attorney and msnbc legal analyst. i'm glad we went all that preps etching up where we are today.

the affidavit says those 184 classified documents, joyce, that were teach in january, they had markings for intelligence that could be a risk to national security. that includes intercepts of court ordered foreign surveillance and communications with confidential human sources overseas. let's lay it out simply here. spies. so, how unprecedented is all of this and why is it such a cause for alarm? >> i think one of the reasons that we are all struggling to find words to discuss this, alex, is that it is absolutely mind-boggling. the number of folders of information, the number of pages, the seriousness of the type of information that the former president treated cavalierly. according to the affidavit, had some of it was improperly stored. it didn't have folders that you would typically expect to find classified information in. it was mixed in with other information. it was strewn all around

mar-a-lago in various locations. these are some of our most important secrets. the top secret material is material that if released, could result in grave damage to the national security. so, overall, when you look at number, type of documents the way that they were stored, it is unprecedented and we hate to use that word because we have used so many times with the former president but i literally don't know what else to say about it. >> well i am still gonna ask another question get your comments on you are on whether the documents raised potential criminal culpability for donald trump, and after the affidavit, is there anyone else in trump circle who could also be at legal risk? >> well, second question first, there is definitely a question of whether not the people who were involved in the cover-up, of course the doj and the search warrant identifies a number of criminal charges looking at, and what is

obstructions. so if there are people who were helping trump obscure has possession of these materials from the point in time the national archives comes knocking on house door, they can be caught up in a conspiracy. but we still don't know much around the details of how the materials left the white house and made its way to mar-a-lago. who is involved in that, whether they were there were additional spills of this immigration other people. and, so the search warrant is a little bit coy in this regard. the affidavit makes the point that the doj needs to continue its work because it may not have identified everyone involved. i think that is the best answer that we have just now. it is another one of the known unknown. >> okay. so in the government's 13-page memo explaining why the government meet the redactions, they say that parts must remain sealed to protect the safety and privacy of a significant number of civilian witnesses in addition to law enforcement. that tells you there is more

than one informant potentially within trump's inner circle, right? >> it sounds like there are a lot of informants, alex. and it is fascinating that the doj put this sentence front and center in this motion that accompanied the unsealing of the affidavit. the doj can't go out in public and hold press conferences and tell us what the information in the affidavit means, but they can speak through their pleadings. and i think this speaks very loudly. there had been a lot of speculation about who the informant was, or maybe there are a couple of informants. but the doj is saying that there are significant number of them, not one, not a couple, not a few. this sounds like there are a large number of people in mar-a-lago cooperating with the doj and perhaps people who all along without any form of proper security clearance would have had access to this information, as well. >> you have said before that the doj generally is prone to understatement.

on the heels of that, was there any overreach by the doj in the reasonings for the redactions? >> no. this is pretty clean. if anything, doj has gone much further in releasing this material that i have ever seen them do. i had a defense lawyer text me yesterday and she said, every time i have asked to see the search warrant affidavit for one of my clients, doj has left me out of the room. she said, i'm glad i will go to my grave having read at least one affidavit even though it is something else is. and i think that is pretty accurate. these affidavits are never released. this is such an exceptional case that doj i think did a very respectful job of reviewing the law and balancing the interest. because the law is very clear that the public has an interest in knowing this information. it is tough to imagine a case where the public would have a greater interest, that the doj would need to respect. >> last question to the

document that claimed there's probable cause to find that evidence of obstruction could be found in mar-a-lago. without pertaining to this affidavit, just the type of obstruction could this be? >> there has been reporting, and of course we have a little bit of a mismatch between what's been reported in the press and where we actually have in the heavily redacted affidavit. but there has been reporting that's one of trump's lawyer certified to the government then all of the classified material, everything that had markings on it, had been returned. and now we learned that that is not true. it is very likely that some of the witness informants told doj, hey, there is still classified material at mar-a-lago. and that ruling gives rise to the sort of inference, the obstruction of justice is going on and that the doj needs to go in and do the search warrant and investigate further. >> okay, joyce vance, many thanks as always. here and for your keen insights. meantime, president biden's

student debt forgiveness program is being boast praised and panned. for instance, an article on the 19th website said that it helps black women a particular, but is that accurate? who does that forgiveness help close the racial wealth gap? h gap?

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school bus driver rescued a father and his two children from floodwaters. the driver, it was happening near dallas, the driver tied seatbelts together to extend a lifeline to that family. several bystanders also helping to pull their kids and their dad to safety. well done. some new questions this weekend on the impact of presidents student loan forgiveness on communities of color. the president announced $10,000 of federal student loans would be forgiven for boris making $125,000 a year or less. pell again for recipients in that area are eligible for $20,000. looking a bit more closely at who this impacts, 90% of black students at 72% of latino students take out loans. that is compared to 66% of white students. then fast forward to four years after graduation, the average black college graduate owes more than $52,000 compared with $30,000 for latino, and 28,000 for white graduates. joining me now is wisdom coal. national director at the end of

sea youth and college division. winston, welcome. i am so glad you're here and i want to show folks part of it off at that you cowrote with nwa si pih ko president derek johnson. here it is. canceling to send thousand dollars of debt is like pouring a bucket of ice water on a forest fire. it hardly achieves anything, only making a mere dent in the problem. so, wisdom, what would make a dent in the problem and what do you think can be done to better close the inequity gap? >> you know, since president biden announced that he would be canceling student debt to make that promise during the presidential elections station, we've been advocating for the cancellation of 50,000 or more of student debt. because we know that the cancellation of data that mark has the opportunity to close the wealth gap and increased wealth for the black community by 40%. the first cancellation was a great start, and the real victory is for those who are pell grant recipients of which many are black students, soon to went to hbcus, but recognizing that we solve a

long way to go and so i think that this is something that we are going to do to for the conversation. we really applaud the white house on the president making sure that he follows through on those promises. >> okay, i get the 50,000 dollar call but let me put up something that former obama economic advisor, and this is jason fermon. he posted a pretty lengthy tweeted we're gonna bring it up right now. he writes, this is on the 10,000 dollar plan. he wrote in part, pouring out roughly half a trillion dollars of gasoline in on fire there's already burning is reckless. and that was weighing it $10,000. how do you weigh calling for $50,000 in the impact that would have on the economy? >> you know, at the data and the research that we have that has shown us that actually cancellations the opportunity to increase wealth in this country. recognizing that the minimal impacts on inflation, we recognize that this gives opportunity for black people become homeowners, to have discretionary wealth generating income. really what we are asking for is that the folks that turned

out in the midst of a global pandemic to see what they are doing. the opportunity to participate in this economic system debris possible extent. >> so, let's talk about some of those republicans who i'm sure you've heard of criticize the presidents plan. they call it unfair. the official white house twitter account posted a series of responses to those lawmakers looking how much money each of them hadn't loans forgiven during the covid pandemic. so what is your message to republicans who say forgiving student debt is unfair? >> you know, the white house put up with the receipts inside that cancellation was possible for them at a high level and it continues to signal that cancellation is still a possibility in this world. i think the one folks are talking about the unfairness, it is really referring to the rising cost of college into a society. it has grown so much of the past decades. we're becoming a matchable for folks to have the opportunity to go to college. so we're really looking at the issues within what's going on right now, we really need to

think about hydrogenation, the cost of college, and who really has access. >> you know, wisdom, we're gonna have to have you back to talk about how you adjust address this guy can cost of education. glad to chat on this topic. thank you so much, wisdom, meantime 73 days between the mitt before the midterm elections. two key words being applied to talk about the battle of control of the capitol. that's next. l of the capitol that's next.

the political tide appears to be favoring democrats as we reach closer to the midterm elections. if you look at the headlines what was thought to be a red wave in november maybe more of a ripple as democrats have made what is being called a stunning turnaround joining me now is age in melbourne, democratic strategist and former senior aide to the biden harris campaign. and someone was just saying, kurt, has kurt shown up or do we just? same we just lost time. i gotta guess it is all you my

friend. no, kidding. we will probably get him back into the second. if kurt shows up, we know that he is an adviser for the democratic national committee. so, here we go with you. the democrats now have a pretty good chance of keeping the senate in the gop may only narrowly win control of the house. but we were talking a few months ago, adrian, november was predicted to be a bloodbath for democrats. so are you surprised by this turnaround? >> no i'm not. i mean frankly i am inspired by this turnaround. a lot of it has to do of course alex with the overturning of roe v. wade and democrats showing up in the states. all you have to do is look at kansas which was a bellwether election, to reserve the right for women to choose to make our own decisions for homebody. even in the most rural liberal area in that states, alex, they voted to support women having a choice about their own bodies. so i think that is what you are seeing play out here. of course we just had the new york 19 special election where

democrats won that seat. that was that bellwether that we are looking at. but a lot of this has to do the overreach that republicans are taking. they chose to make a very conservative supreme court. they got what they wanted. they have been saying for years and years that they wanted to overturn roe v. wade even though the majority of americans don't want that. they got what they wanted, we now are going into at least the next decade with the supreme court that is making decisions that are into tactical to where the majority of american people stand. and americans also know that the only way to impact this is to vote in trump at the ballot box. and that is what i think you are seeing playing out in favor of democrats frozen in the senate, and to extend the house. >> yeah, 100 percent. and curtis shown up and i want to talk to him a little bit about that special election in new york's 19th district. kurt, that was a rural area. it is something that trump won in 2016. biden flipped back in 2015.

but it was abortion rights. because he went blinking abortion rights to freedom as an american. does this tell you that abortion is going to be a huge factor in the midterms? >> yeah, it does, alex. again we have been talking about this i feel like for a few months now. republicans are so far outside the mainstream of where most americans are, even if you believe that abortion shouldn't happen. that abortion is an abomination, most americans believe that even in cases of at least rape and incest there should be some sort of an exception. you have a republican effort, republican candidates going out there saying the teenagers and children who are raped should be forced to go through with that pregnancy. you have republicans like the gubernatorial candidate in michigan saying that actually going through with that process would be some sort of healing and bonding experience for the victim and that child. that is so far outside of what is normal acceptability and is

repelling a lot of voters that may have been with biden in 20, but they have decided that we will go back to the republican party, they are sending the right back into our arms. >> yeah. well the hill was pointed out that some democrats that are running a competitive reelection races in november, they are still a bit reluctant to attach themselves to president biden. so, adrian, should candidates reconsider all of this as president biden and the white house are riding a wave of pretty good news? i mean, won't republicans try to link them to the president anyway? so why not embrace him and highlight the recent heists hot streak? >> yeah, i mean, look at alex. i think if you are going to highlight the fact that this president has passport major economic bills in 20 months, which is a record for nearly any president. the best president would be thrilled to have that kind of record success. if you are going to embrace those policies, you need to also embrace president biden. i mean, democrats are gonna do they need to do to win. i think president biden agrees with that. i think the white house agrees

with that. if that means position yourself a little bit with the national democratic party, fine. but the bottom line is that president biden has successes. that most presidents would dream of. we can list, we can make a list right now but we don't have the time. but the bottom line is, democrats have to do they have to do to win. if you are gonna run on president biden's policies, you need to embrace him as a president. and i guarantee you, alex, when we get past labor day, most of these top tier democrats in competitive races, especially on the senate side are going to want president biden to come through for them and he will do it. >> well, this week's present primary elections, kurt, really gave us something of an election at insight into where the country south and gop extremists overall. you have politico who has got a history of making incredibly incendiary and racist remarks. also laura bloomer, an ultra fringe conspiracy theorists who lost their primaries, but only by single digits. and they got well over 70% of the vote. is that a little too close, kurt? >> yeah, again i think we have

seen this pattern throughout this entire campaign cycle on the republican side. the extremists are taking up more and more of the lion's share of the overall republican vote, and it is pushing their party so far forward that it is really hurting them. you look at where we were just a few months ago. it was a foregone conclusion that republicans were going to win massive gains in the midterm elections. so is more about inclusion than taking back the senate would be. and here we are right now because of the extreme lurch that the senate is almost out of reach for them. they are giving up on a lot of races because they've so many bad candidates running that they don't want to put any resources there. but they are putting billions of dollars in ohio. a seat that trump won by double digits. they have to take money out of pennsylvania, away from georgia, to put it in ohio. the same thing with the house. again, kevin mccarthy and tom emmert are measuring the drapes of the speakers lobby for themselves at they're saying that they're going to win 60 plus seats back in the first quarter this year. and now, they may not even come close. they may not win anything. there are 222 seats that are

better for democrats than the special that we just want to new york. this could be a very different election than what they were forecasting earlier in the year, and republicans have only themselves to blame. >> which means i need you both back every weekend if possible here analysis leading up to the midterms. adrian, and kurt, thank you so much. up next legal experts pot and pockets are all trying to gauge the alpha mar-a-lago survey search affidavit. it doesn't crease the likelihood that donald trump will be indicted. interestingly, here is a map of the countries indicated in purple here where leaders have been jailed or prosecuted after leaving office since the year 2000. they include democracies like france and israel. axios points out that when in countries with monarchies or dictatorships, no such occurrences as you might imagine. s as you might imagine.

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