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hours after a redacted copy of the affidavit was unsealed. it's not proof of the time, instead it represents the doj is believed that it has probable cause that a trump has been committed. trump's legal team filed a document late last night, to get a special master -- the editorial boards of major newspapers, the railway in. we've got the new york times editorial saying donald trump is not above the law. the washington post editorial board says the trump affidavit shows the mar-a-lago search was hardly capricious. the wall street journal editorial board as, the mar-a-lago affidavit, is that all there is? a bit earlier today sheila jackson lee told msnbc have the classified documents in question could be a national security risk. >> when you think of the names
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of the sources of individuals who were securing important information through human deeds, human activities, if that was exposed, not only with these individuals be in jeopardy, where they snow in posted in countries around the world, but their families may be in jeopardy. >> when we just a moment we're going to talk to a panel of reporters and experts. but first, nbc's monica alba has a closer look at what was revealed in the redacted copy of the affidavit. the department of justice offering new insight into why the fbi seized highly classified documents from mar-a-lago on august 9th, revealing in a heavily redacted copy of the affidavit, then an earlier review of material the former president took from the white house, contained information that could cause exceptionally grave damage to the national security. 15 boxes were returned by mr. trump to the national archives in january. 14 of them containing
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classified information. 184 documents had classification markings including 67 marked confidential. 92 labeled secret, and 25 identified as top secret. some prompting concern they can compromise clandestine human sources according to the document. and outlining the reasons for executing august's unprecedented search, the government believe there was probable cause to find additional classified documents containing sensitive national defence information. the affidavits stating there was probable cause to believe that evidence of obstruction will be found. no charges have been filed. the affidavit with entire sections blacked out, detailing for the first time that a significant number of civilian witnesses are involved in the ongoing investigation. the former president firing back friday, taking aim at the redactions, and the florida judge who signed off on the affidavit. saying, he should never have allowed the break-in of my home. president biden, when asked
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about the national security risk, defer to the doj. but maintained there are instances where a commander in chief can properly take classified material from the white house, telling peter, i have in my home i have a camera of space that is completely secure. it's locked, i have a portion with the. i read it, i lock it back up. give it back to the military. >> that was monica alba reporting there. t joining me now is hugo lowell, melissa murray, and professor of law at nyu, and tracey walter, former cia officer and fbi special agent. welcome back all three of you to the broadcast. it has been a very busy 24 hours since this redacted affidavit has been released. i want to get your reaction, starting with you, hugo, what did the affidavit reveal that we didn't previously know? >> i think feminine standpoint
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-- the fact that the fbi knew where and which rooms they were targeting, and outlined in one part of the affidavit was incident. a place like pine hall which is the foyer leading into trump's residence and bedroom, that's a place that's not widely known. the fbi pinpointing that location to me suggest that the fbi has a number of human resources close to the president who are cooperating with the investigation. the affidavit of course mentioned civilian witnesses who have been cooperating. >> a very key take, pinehurst mesa, the. what about you, melissa, whether you're biggest takeaways? what's telling you about where the doj is in its investigation? >> it's interesting that we learned how this investigation began with a criminal referral from the national archives to the department of justice. we sat in the affidavit, a timeline of back and forth negotiations between the
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national archives and the fbi, and the former president for the of the documents that was unsuccessful, therefore prompting the search of the residents. to my mind, one of the most surprising details that emerged, and again goes to the point that hugo just raised, was the idea that the president had had this information. there is information perhaps that they would find likely evidence of obstruction, either manipulating the documents, or manipulating evidence or the circumstances that the fbi sat -- found, that speaks to someone being close to the former president that can relay that kind of information. there's lots of information about the evidence that would support a chart under the espionage act. the obstruction was redacted, that goes to the point that hugo made about there being a close source in the presidents million. >> what about you, tracey, did you read anything that raised new red flags?
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say on the national security front? >> sure, two things really jumped out at me. the first thing was obviously the classifications. they did not redact that. the classification levels of the documents that were taken. i was very surprised to see just how high these classifications were. and just how detailed they were. you've got information from the human to control systems, which are our sources and assets overseas. you have signals intelligence, that is highly classified information. or con, which is originator controlled, which means that you decide how that information is distributed. and the second piece i saw in that it was just how purposeful trump was in not handing over the documents. that's concerning to me as well. >> i have to tell you, i have to think about you, given you and your experience of the past, that must have sent chills down your spine. >> hugo, what did this
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affidavit tell us about how and where these materials were being stored? >> i thought there is a notable passage in there about how the justice department told trump's lawyers in black and white that mar-a-lago who has a premises or a location not authorized to be keeping classified materials. he had a lot of calls from people around trump, there is a lot of punditry on fox news and elsewhere that, because they added the second luck, as well as requested by the doj, everything was fine, they were surprised at how heavy-handed the doj was in trying to recover these documents. if you look at the affidavit, there's no mention of a second law. but it says is please preserve the storage facilities where the boxes were being kept in the current condition. to me that suggests that even months before the search happened, this might have been the subject of a criminal investigation. >> tracey, let's go back to the affidavit using these different levels of classification you're
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talking about to categorize other documents. wet goes -- whether some of the examples of what's some of those mean we don't know specifically because of the redactions wet they were referring to but give me examples of these things orcon, norforn, hcs, and fives. >> the first thing i want to say is i want to be measured, but i am angry. i'm angry the documents were mishandled like this. i can walk you through a example for hcs. as -- we have assets over seas who are willing to turn their backs on their owes countries to keep us safe. our job is to keep their items in secret and safe. make no mystery about it, people either have died or will die as a result of these documents being placed a there because this is giving
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potentially the names of family members and businesses that have chosen for the united states. in terms of -- >> hang on a second, i want to ask you about. that does this mean efforts by the cia to further these means and gather human intelligence, have been thwarted, likely? you've got to think anyone overseas who's considering doing what you described as being remarkable risk -- they've gotta go, yeah, i don't want my name and everything about my family where they go to school, where i live, now stored in a not fully secured location? >> i think you hit the nail right on the head there, alex, we had a cooperation agreement called the five eyes. sharing signal intelligence with new zealand, australia, canada, the united kingdom and. yes that's an open sharing of signals intelligence. i don't think folks realize how terroristic acts, violent acts,
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have been thwarted as a result of international cooperation. i would not blame many of these intelligence services for not wanting to move forward with doing business with us. that can have very deadly consequences for americans. >> yeah, 100 percent. pretty sobering what you're talking about. melissa, based on the war that was previously released, we knew the espionage act was one of these potential crimes. they used to justify the search, but the affidavit, affidavit sites section you have this act which focuses on someone who's in unauthorized possession of sensitive information, national security information. what is your take on this? >> it's very clear in the affidavit that the fbi officer, the u.s. attorney who is running this affidavit was trying to make clear that it didn't matter that the information was classified. there's actually a footnote in the affidavit that makes clear that the espionage act predates
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their classification system. all that's required to pursue a charge under the espionage act is to have information that is relevant and sensitive to the national defense. surely, the information that was found or recovered here could fit that bill regardless of whether or not it's classified information. they went to great lengths to distinguish between information that's classified and information that's about the national defense. the two are not necessarily come sensitive, or have to be for the purposes of. this >> when we look at it, there's a lot of redactions there. has it successfully protected the parts that need protection? >> so i believe so. i know a lot of people are probably shocked by all of the black marker that's going through it. obviously i've seen this before. i think that it has done a very, very good job of protecting sources. sources and methods in this investigation. i also, you know, want to talk
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about the fact that the fbi has done an excellent job of dodging all their eyes and crossing other t's. an fbi agent mention to the fbi's counterintelligence class at quantico, i attended that class, you do get top-notch training in how to handle these types of investigations. >> i'm curious before i ask you a question, to go, on the heels of that. tracey, what does it say to you when donald trump says i want this entire thing released, i want the entire affidavit put out there? >> i think all we have to do is to look at the classification levels that were released in that affidavit, and that is enough reason as to why donald trump and his associates should never have access to what's in that affidavit. >> okay, point made their. hugo, one of the reasons that the doj argued against releasing the affidavit, despite trump calling for, it it was out of concern for all of these witnesses that came
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forward. but it does appear there is more than one civilian working with the doj. is that your take? speaking to joyce vance, earlier, she said that typically the doj speaks to the level of -- speaks with the level of understatement. they try to underplay people. she thinks there's multiple people. to be with that? >> i think joyce is very good, i've always been inclined to agree with joyce. suddenly there's an extra line buried in that affidavit that says something along the lines of, look, this is just the fbi applying for a search warrant. we're not trying to make an indictment, we're not trying to get any other action, we just want the search warrant. they aren't giving all of the details or the information that we have about this criminal investigation at this moment. we're just giving enough to meet the threshold in order to secure that weren't. that's an interesting disclosure. how much more, right? that's the question that gets
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begged here, how much more information did they have that they're withholding because they want to protect those individuals or those sources down the line in the investigation? i know from my reporting, there's another -- a number of people who have been contacted by the fbi who have not yet spoken to investigators. okay, which means we'll have to have you back to talk about that when you find out. more melissa, tracey, you have an open invitation to come join. me thank you both so much. with so many invitations whirling about, how is donald trump dealing with it all? new reporting shed some light on why he hasn't been seen in public since the mar-a-lago search. what has he been up to besides writing anger fueled social media posts? and, it was a fight that led to utter madness at a high school football game last night. but something else made it a moment of sheer terror. a moment of sheer terror moment of sheer terror all-new subway series menu. let's hear about this #7 pick, from a former #7 pick. juicy rotisserie-style chicken. you should've been #1. this isn't about the sandwich, is it chuck?
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uvalde shooting are rallying outside of the capital for stronger gun laws. protesters outside the governor's mansion this morning with a message for greg abbott. passed measures to prevent gun violence. nbc's priscilla thompson is joining us. and priscilla, welcome. whatever thing to you about why that gather today? >> well, alex, a very emotional day here at the capitol. there is a lot of anger. this rally has been going on for more than an hour and it has been family after family after family walking up to the microphone and saying that governor greg abbott call a special session to raise the age that someone can buy an ar-15 or an insult rifle from 15 to 21. and it is truly heartbreaking to hear some of the stories of these families that they've shared. we heard from mrs. ruby, a mother of lexi rubio talking
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about the gene that she has about her daughter going to college and becoming a lawyer and coaching softball and all of these very specific facts about her. and she says she wakes up and she realizes that that will never happen because her daughter will forever be a child now. she is forever memorialized in that way. and you just your story after story from families of victims of the uvalde shooting, but also the santa fe shooting in 2018 here. and also members of the family of victims from the parkland shooting. i want to play a little bit of what one of the uvalde family members had to say. this is the guardian of uziyah garcia. his name is brett krause, and here's what he had to say to revenue get greg abbott. here's what he had to. say >> he doesn't care about us that he doesn't give a damn about our children, but i do. too many parents have to go through this. this is not a club that i wanted to be in. this is not a club that any of these families wanted to be in.
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this is not, you do not want that. so fight with us and help us demand change because you don't want to be fighting from the side with the hole in your heart that cannot go away. >> and that is the passion and the types of stories that we have been hearing here all morning. the message is very clear, these families from uvalde are coming off of the school police chief being fired earlier this week. i spoke to them than and they said that this was not over. they are going to continue to demand accountability and continue to demand change. and that is exactly what is happening here. and i've got to tell you, the coals calls go from calls to age the raise the age and a lot of cries erupted from the crowd saying vote him out. if he doesn't do that, they are saying he must be voted out in november. alex. >> well let's see if greg abbott here's what you are hearing, i'm hearing, and our and mess nbc viewers are
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hearing. thank you much, priscilla, for that. president biden's newest to deliver get this program is being met with praise and backlash after months of anticipation. the president announced plans to councillor up to $10,000 of federal student loan debt for those making less than $125,000 a year. those who received a pell grants can get up to $20,000 forgiven. for everyone else the student debt, repayments remain paused at least until the end of the year. let's go to msnbc's jesse kurt twos talking to students that can't see university in ohio about this move jesse, welcome. how are students they're reacting? thanks, alex. overall the message that we got from students we have spoken to you here today has been one of supports welcoming this news. we did also hear from one parent who says that her children have gone through college already and she feels like this means she will be helping support other children going through college as well. i will note though that the bulk of people that we talk to her freshman so there's where some of the newest college students. people were just getting their
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footing in this weird space between adulthood and childhood, if you can remember that for yourselves out there watching this at home right now. and so i think some of the students that we talked to didn't have the full scope in mind of what this means, whether it might be, because they don't withers families loan situation is or maybe it's that their parents are paying and not them themselves. but certainly this was a welcome piece of news for most of the students that we heard from out here. there was also one person saying to me, you know, i want to know who winds up paying for this. if you are taking this debt away from some people, who now has to foot the bill? in some respect and there was a junior we spoke with he says that he has federal loans. and he has pell grants, some theory could be eligible for up to $20,000 of student loans being wiped out. he's not even sure exactly how this plays out for him. but for that student, the announcement itself was good news. here is part of what he told us. >> that is like a big relief,
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you know. because in your junior year they are starting to stack up and it is just good to see that that number will come down and i will graduate with not as much debt. this is what biden was promising. he kind of under delivered on this. he promised full student loan forgiveness for people in state colleges. so it is just a start for me. like voting for biden when it was my first election. so seeing him actually deliver a little bit on some of those promises, i think he has been pretty weak in that so far. so in this past week i think he's been doing pretty good. >> and, alex, you might have heard that there is an election coming up. so that student was actually on his way to help register people to vote as we head into the fall and get ready for the midterms here in 2022. and so we have also been asking people, does this motivates them and anywhere they head to the polls. for some of the students they saw this is something that it would motivate them. it would be something that shows them proof of something promised being followed through on. so the question remains of how this impacts people in the midterms, because obviously there are people support of this but there are people
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including republican leaders who have been pushing back on the idea that this student loan forgiveness is a good thing. and kara, in ohio we have what's shaping up to potentially be a big tight senate race here. and we know that both the democrats and the republican candidates here have been pushing back on this idea of student loan forgiveness in the form that has been presented by the white house. so this is something that could be motivating blocks of voters as we head into the fall. just something that people should be paying attention. two >> absolutely. and that is a political perspective that i thank you so much for jesse courage. here's one more note insulin forgiveness. the white house yesterday said that the plan would cost 24 billion dollars annually, or 240 billion dollars over the next ten years. which is a far cry from other estimates such as of ford cost estimate between 605 billion to one trillion dollars of the next decade. the white house says that better assets will be coming in the ensuing weeks. back to that affidavit in the matches of three locations inside mar-a-lago. when we know about pine hill
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they clarified that no shots had been fired, but by that point the game was evacuated and canceled. the removal of highly classified diamonds from mar-a-lago is just one of several investigations into former president trump. one question remains. what has trump been doing since the fbi search his palm beach home? he's kept a relatively low profile in the past couple of weeks, even if a spike in poll numbers boost his chances in the a presidential bid. joining me now is meredith mcgraw. let's talk about your latest article. this is about how donald trump has been spending his day since the -- search tell me what you've heard from the trump camp. what has he been doing? >> the former president has been at his golf club in red minister, new jersey, where he has his summer residence. well he's been there he's had some fund-raisers, he's made
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calls, he's been on the phone, but he's been spending a lot of time with his aides, he's connected some political business. he has a rally coming up next week, with his super pac of america, he has been spending time with his attorneys as it goes through this. more publicly, he's been posting through true social, his social media account nonstop, taking aim at this investigation among other things. >> you neglected to mention, he did that pep club at the golf tournament -- there is that. two in the meantime, the affidavit contains communications from a justice department agent to a trump legal advisor. the agent wrote, based on their investigation in three spaces, trump's presidential suite, pine hall, and the 45 office, they were not authorized locations for the storage of
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classified information. what do you know about those areas in who might of had access to them? would it be easy for a visitor to enter any of them? >> yeah, this affidavit was able to shed light on some of the specific areas at mar-a-lago, that they are conducting their investigation, and they have concerns about crimes being committed in these areas. they've outlined pine hall, that's the foyer to trump's residence. the library of congress has a really interesting old photo of that room online. if people are interested in seeing. they also named his residence, the storage room, and of course other rooms at mar-a-lago. mar-a-lago is an expensive place. i've been there twice now, this year, for reporting trips. there are over 100 rooms there. there are hotel style rooms, there is a spy, trump's office is there. there is a tanning salon. there's dining rooms, there is multiple ballrooms. and the swimming pool.
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trump but mar-a-lago in 1985. he turned it into this club in 1995. there is constantly people coming and going for events, for weddings. with this after david, we know that the fbi has seek serious concerns about who may have been able to access things that were labeled top secret. things that were labeled classified. while some of these places are at trump's private residence, i mentioned only a small number of people have access to those areas, we've learned this week that women used aliases -- she was there for different political events at mar-a-lago. there are a lot of new questions about the level of security at mar-a-lago, and certainly have the former president has handled these documents in a place that is his home but also is open to his members and people who
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might be there -- >> and i just ask you, meredith, you mentioned you've been there twice. talk about the security. did you go through certain facets of security? what was it like? was it known to everyone there that you are in a reporting capacity? or was that not known? i'm curious. >> i was invited as a member of the press to receive a film premiere that one of trump's allies, david bossy, had at mar-a-lago. and again by dinesh -- , i was with their press headlines for both of those events. i had to give my personal information that was given to secret service to allow me access there. when i was interacting with people i made clear that i was a reporter and i was there doing my job and ask you questions about the event. and other topics. you know, i did have the
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ability to walk around the swimming pool area, threw the ball rooms, and then later through parts of the club. i know other journalists who've gone there for different reporting expeditions have been able to do the same. i do remember there being a lot of security guards around. people monitoring which passages people could go through. it was clear which areas the guests were able to come and go through. >> that's good to know, meredith mcgraw, thank you so much, great chat. and it's a very interesting article. thank. you are reaction from capitol hill -- where the chair of the senate intelligence committee is now concerned. that's next. that's next. and recover: pedialyte® sport. because it works... and so do i. ♪♪ hydration beyond the hype. ♪♪
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in europe's largest nuclear complex after a very close call that disconnected that plant from ukraine's power grid. but concerns remain. ukraine authorities telling msnbc that they've begun to hand out iodine tablets out of fear that the fighting could result in some sort of nuclear disaster. let's go to josh lederman whose following the story more. josh, this is really remarkable and how frightening the potential is for disaster. give us the latest on this. >> well, alex to have the functioning nuclear reactors at this zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, or back online, the ramping up capacity.
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the fact that during this incident they had to revert to backup power to power the cooling systems that keep these nuclear reactors from melting down was really significant and alarming development that president zelenskyy has been warning about for weeks now. today, both russia and ukraine are making new allegations that the other has been shelling the separation nuclear power plant despite that recent incident in which they were just able to avoid a nuclear meltdown. >> crisis averted for now, but this morning, growing fears that more shelling at the plant could trigger nuclear disaster. a regional official telling nbc news that authorities have started distributing iodine tablets to people living 30 miles from the plant. president zelenskyy says the situation remains precarious and dangerous, well world leader calls for an immediate visit by nuclear inspectors.
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an inspector saying a visit is imminent. >> it's very soon days or weeks? . >> weeks. >> it's alleged that russian agents are torturing nuclear workers, nbc news can't independently confirm that claim. >> because russia controls the plant, they can remove the equipment that they have deployed their. >> amid fierce fighting in ukraine's east and south, the state department confirming that american citizen who was killed in ukraine. the united states offering condolences, quote, to the families of all those who have been lost as a result of russia's unprovoked war against ukraine. the u.s. and ukraine both warning that russia is preparing sham referendums in occupied areas about whether to join russia. the voice set to begin in days. the head of ukraine's national
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security and defence counsel telling and be said anyone who facilitates referendums could be club tried and could face the death penalty if they're not killed first. >> alex we are hearing more about the death of that u.s. citizen here in ukraine, not from the american government, but from a russian provincial governor who says the american was a volunteer who is fighting alongside ukrainian troops and had just arrived on the front lines when his group was involved in a clash with russian forces and died. nbc news cannot independently verify that claim. but this is not the first american citizen to die during this war, it was just last month that americans lose lose fusion, and ryan young, also died fighting alongside ukraine. alex? >> indeed, okay, thank you so much, appreciate that, josh. let's go now to america's new space ambitions. a live look at a somewhat dark and gloomy kennedy space center in florida. the weather is not particularly good. but it is the new nasa rocket
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that's expected to be on its way to the moon on monday. it has been 50 years since mission control in houston last guided a lunar landing. tom costello reports, nasa vets are watching this mission with bose nostalgia and excitement. bosestep inside steven to one of the most signed one of the most iconic iconic symbols symbols of america of america's space program. space program. nasa's nasa's original mission initial control, restored as a museum -- restored to down to the ash tray, our see a museum, cooler can, and down to the ashtray, slide rule. or a sequel can, and to that day, in slide rule. to that day in 1969. 1969. >> we are go >> we have power. go for. for landing. landing >> you are go >> when for landing. >> apollo when apollo 11 landed on the moon. 11 landed on the nine months later, moon. nine months the drama of level, the apollo 13 played drama of apollo out here. 13 played out, >> okay, here. houston we have a problem. >> here houston, we have houston, we have a problem. >> what's it like a problem. >> to come back and what's it like to come see this and stand here now. >> back and see this now. it brings back a few >> it brings back memories. >> a few memories. we asked apollo >> we axed apollo built eight lead swindler, now flight director 90 years old to come now 90 years old to come back. >> what back. does this data >> what does this data here tell you?
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what is here tell you? this about? >> the >> well that shows you but spacecraft the spacecraft is is doing about the systems are. doing, and with the during >> system is doing. and sit down with rick >> and labrode. >> sit down with rick this is hollowed labrode. >> it's ground where you walk in here and you hollowed ground, you still have memorabilia have on the wall that reminds memorabilia you of on the wall that the accomplishments reminds you of the that these guys accomplishments did in the apollo days. >> the they did in the apollo. lead flight director days >> the for lead flight mondays artemis mission director for mondays artemis to the moon. >> mission. >> when these guys had done it these before, we are writing on guys have done it before, it their shoulders because they were writing on their figured it out for shoulders because they figured it out us, and that is for us. that's huge. >> the huge. >> the physics hadn't changed. f is physics hasn't changed. still equal to m a. it is. anyway >> it is. >> good. , anyway, a lot of a lot of things are things are different. the different. the tools are tools are different. different. >> >> newton's newton's laws of motion laws of motions are the or the same but same, but technology technology has come a long has come a long way way since since 1969. there is 1969. more computing power in myself phone than you had during the apollo days. how did you do that? >> well, that was all we had. we did it with what we had. we didn't know what we didn't have. >> my generation looks back at
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what they accomplished in wonders how they did it. >> open a 1965, they ran every apollo mission out of, your every moon landing, and then they ran sky lab and scuttle missions including the loss of challenger. today, an updated mission control runs the space station and the artemis moon mission. we learn from their mission how to plan a mission, a very complex mission, how to go and train it. and that is the big part. train, if we train it train a train. it's >> a new generation planning to return to the moon and stay with a nod to the apollo team that made it all possible. tom castile, out nbc news, houston. >> this space geek. , i am so excited about this will be watching very closely on monday. meantime, up next it might be the most important investigation connected to the mar-a-lago search with national security at stake. nationa security at stake. security at stake. alright, limu, give me a socket wrench, pliers, and a phone open to libertymutual.com they customize your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need...
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mar-a-lago. nbc news has just confirmed the office of the director of national intelligence has informed both the house intelligence and oversight committees that it is going to work with the doj to facilitate a classification rearview of relevant materials recovered by the fbi from mar-a-lago. adding that they are assessing the potential risk to national security that could come from the disclosure of these documents. joining me right now, at like a talley, nbc news capitol hill correspondent and author of this new book we will be discussing. electable, why america hasn't put a woman in the white house yet. big rob's of congrats on that, ali. but first i want to hear more about what you are hearing today from your sources on the hill about this breaking news and what does this mean? >> yes, alex, i get to wear all by house on the air today which is very fitting given this is how we do things. but the report i come with me today is the are telling women and and at the oversight
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committees adam smith, at who have reached out asking for a dime adjustment on the documents in mar-a-lago. what is the day impact on the u.s. national security because of the classified documents being in a place that was not secure for however long they were there. now the doj responding to them in the letter that my colleague and i have obtained, in which they say that they are looking at and assessing what's the impact is on national security, and then also doing a classic vacation review of the relevant documents that were found at mar-a-lago. and we know, of course, from the until pieces of the affidavit that were not redacted, although you can see how heavily their redacted they were. there are hundreds of documents that fits that classified verification, that classified assignation. and so that shift in maloney saying that they want to hear more. but this is a sign that the intelligence apparatus is trying to assess the damage here. >> yeah, in fact schiff until one said that they want the icy
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intelligence community to move pretty quickly in getting all these assessments. so pretty understandable on that front. so let's get to this book, thank you also for getting me a copy because it's awesome. so the book is this. you reflect on the democratic field in 2020. i mean, we recall that there were quite a few impressive witnesses in the primary. but none of them get over the finish. line so are you seeing, ali, that american voters just can't concede of women presidential candidates have been capable of winning a general election? is it solely on the basis of being female? >> look, i think that what i am saying in this book is that after 2016, where we did see a woman win the popular vote, that is not the metric by which we elect presidents in this country, but it is the sign that the country was ready to affect elect to a female president even though female even though hillary cohen was not the president. but then in 2020, the way manifested with that massive field of candidates that you just put on the screen there, six of them were women. more women running in one field than ever before.
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and the question of electability is one that i joined with a lot in the book because i think that as a reporter it is what governs this entire process. voters want to vote for someone who they think can win. that is not an unfair metric by democrat or republican standards. but even by men or female candidates, the thing is, electability is something that is a judgment of someone's potential. you don't know how electable someone is until voters actually go to the polls. and what i found in 2020, and studies bear this out, but i pointed them in the book. is that voters are so assessing people candidates they are not necessarily willing to get them the benefit of the doubt that they can win. in 2020, trump being introduced to this mix was also something that made the female candidate seem risky or unsafe, and that is not a chance that voters were willing to take on the democratic side in 2020. >> let me ask if you found that women candidates were being typecast as kind of one issue candidates? >> that was something that was an interesting mix in the book. and i delve into it from the perspective of, if you are a non white, or a non-male candidate, you can more easily
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get caught in feedback loops by speaking to the issues of the community that you represent. julián castro, was someone who was very candid with me about this where he said that he feared that sometimes to be groundbreaking meant that he was going to lose. and for him, he talked about a moment with bill maher when he was campaigning as the only hispanic candidate in the field, campaigning on issues of immigration, and there was a feedback loop that he caught in that his campaign was aware that they are caught into. because you are expected to speak to the issues of the community that you represent. but then you can easily get pigeonholed as one issue candidate and that is the problem if you are running to be issued the president of the united states because you are ready to be president of everybody. so one of his can stain campaign staffers, my river, put it to me this way. there's an objectivity that is allowed to white male candidates on every issue that is not necessarily allowed to candidates that are not white or male. that is something we saw for the women candidates and for the non white candidates. >> listen, it's a problem if you're a candidate but it is
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not a problem for this. but because it is a great read. i wanna thank you ali battalion, so so proud of. you hear it again, electable, why america hasn't put a woman in the white house, yet. okay ali batali, thank you for coming on to talk about. it that is gonna do it for me on this edition of alex witt reports, i will see you again yasmin vossoughian continues our coverage. yasmin vossoughian continues our coverage our coverage lmost out. i got you. any questions, chris? all good, thanks maura! healthier is managing all your family's prescriptions in one app. it's the all-new subway series menu! 12 irresistible new subs... like #9 the champ. rotisserie style chicken double monterey cheddar. the champ is truly made for a champ. gee, thanks chuck. who said anything about you? it's subway's biggest refresh yet.
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