things up, right now. right now greetings you're watching symone we are digging into newly-released details about what led to the fbi search of mar-a-lago. even with all those redactions, the affidavit reveals plenty about the potential dangers to national security, and human intelligence sources. in classified documents, former dozen trump claims he was his. plus president biden's new call to americans who love this country, and the strongest takedown of maga republicans yet. oh ask jim i'm likely dylan about all of that and more on his campaign strategy. and president diet biden's promise kept on student debt relief. we'll have -- and the hypocrisy of some republicans criticism of the

plan. i'm simone thompson, and i have something to say. some of our nation's biggest secret secrets that could mean life or death depending on whose hands there in you're not in a sensitive facility. they were at a resort in palm beach florida. look at these pages. 38 of them. the redacted copy of the affidavit justifying the unprecedented search of his home earlier this month. the judge released it yesterday. the justice department laid out potential violations of the espionage act after examining the 15 boxes of documents retrieved by the national archives. those 15 boxes contain 184

unique classified documents including 67 documents marked confidential, 92 mark secret, these all included information on at least one confidential human source overseas. not only could our flow of intelligence potentially be at risk peoples lives could be put in danger. we learned today that the director of national intelligence, avril haines, will assess the potential risk to national security that could come from the disclosure of these documents now let's be clear, you know, an affidavit is not proof of a crime but the justice department says in the affidavit quote, there is also probable cause to believe that evidence of obstruction will be found at the premise. mar-a-lago. the details elaborating on the obstruction remain redacted for now but we cannot dismiss his handling of classified documents as just another one

of his scandals. there's so much to unpack. i have the experts, let's bring in our legal panel. sadie -- is a justice department, and barbara mcclain is here -- she's an msnbc legal analyst, a law professor at the university of law school -- barbara, let me start with you. there were some markings of the documents when -- they may be unfamiliar from the people at home. this one in particular. this acs as an sam. what does that mean, and what could the consequences be if documents with those markings and up in the wrong hands? >> simon, that indicates that there is human confidential sources. that is the designation used for sources of information around the world. we may have assets that are handled by the cia, and russia and other kinds of countries. there are people that are gathering secrets from their own government and sharing it

with the u.s. intelligence community. if their secrets are to be compromised, we might lose that flow of information which is very important. but even worse, those peoples lives may be in jeopardy. when when agent was cut, one of the things we realized about his work as a spy, he had disclosed information that led to the killings of people who had been sources that he had revealed. it's incredibly dangerous. it's incredibly reckless to leave this information line around where could fall into the wrong hands. >> absolutely, when i was at the white house, this information was only for the view of a very specific folks, and only in a scif. let's be clear. when i was -- before the release of the affidavit, we saw another document. this detailed the justice department's reasons for the redactions. that says the materials marked for redactions must remain sealed to protect the safety

and privacy of a significant number of civilian witnesses. sadie, what could that tell us. >> let that told me was that it wasn't just one person the prosecutors and investigators had spoken to before they decided to search mar-a-lago, but multiple people. that is another area of evidence that justifies their search. it wasn't just one or two witnesses that have been contributing to this investigation. it stood out to me. of course the names of those people have to be redacted because as the government said, and the judge agreed there is concerned about those people being intimidated, the justice department says it's concerned -- essentially could provide a roadmap for where investigators are going with a probe --

>> it also reminded me of the january six committees hearings when they said witness tampering's may have happened with particular, from people from trump's orbit. >> we saw during the january six committee hearings -- >> she says that person had received a phone call from donald trump -- people in that orbit are still in touch with each other, whether that amounts to witness intimidation is another matter, but certainly the justice department has the right to be concerned about that. >> barbara let's talk obstruction. it's a word that appeared in the affidavit. did anything you read in that affidavit give potential clues about specifics to the potential obstruction mentioned give us some possible scenarios?

>> much of the probable cause is behind those redaction bars. one thing that is a clue about what this is all about is the particular extension that's used on this search warrant. that is a statute that pertain specifically to concealing documents. there's a number of ways to obstruct justice. witness intimidation, lying when question. but concealing documents, that suggests to me that when the archives came calling and asked for documents, first in january when 15 boxes were turned over, and then in june when there was a subpoena, and the trump people said this is it. you've got all the rest. and then in august they found 27 were boxes. that suggests to me that they're conceivably with they still had may be the basis for the obstruction of justice charge. what's interesting about the charge is not only is it a stand-alone crime, but it also bolsters the other crimes.

it shows a consciousness of guilt when you're lying about something you have because it suggests that you know it's illegal to have it. and that the truth. >> i think it matters that these documents were declassified. regardless of the classification, he should not have had these documents. these were some of the most sensitive secrets as we discuss. trump and his allies are arguing that he had the authority to declassify anything he wanted. in my experience i know that's not true. i know you all know that's not true. but let's just say for arguments sake, if the president wanted to declassify a document, specifically one marked each cs, for example, what might that process look like, barbara? >> it would require going to the agencies and saying to the agencies i would like to declassify this because they

assess what's the harm will be -- it will be, and it as she suggested, it's legally irrelevant. it might be more helpful to refer to them as documents -- although there are crimes that require classification as an element, trump has miscalculated a bit. there's other charges that do not require this as a element. anyway -- barbara quit >> we're gonna have to leave it at that. thank you both very much. coming up, we're going to talk to one of the chief architects of political strategy at the white house. in her first television interview since becoming deputy chief of staff, she joins me to discuss president biden's recent appearances on the campaign trail trail --

she has harsh words for republican colleagues. >> good saturday simone, first of recurrence largest nuclear plant has come under fire just as the united nations was coming to visit the site. it warns of hydrogen leakage from the plant and ukrainian authorities handed out radiation tablets to anyone who lives within 30 miles. nasa's artemis rocket will launch monday morning. it will be the fear this vehicle without astronauts that have ever travel into space. nasa will also -- the families and friends of the 19 children and two teachers killed at robb elementary we are joined by march for our lives activists. more from simone, right after this break. this break this break

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more committed to saving america than the maga republicans wilkins are destroying america. >> president joe biden with a crystal clear message there. and he is hitting on a point you have heard me say writer before. when they go low, it is time to go toe to toe. the president kicked off mid term campania that there is a rally with maryland democratic gubernatorial nominee west moral. biden made his harsh criticisms against what he called maga republicans. and laying out the direct threat that the maga movement poses to democracy. and, he didn't stop there. because in an earlier fund-raiser he actually legged likened the maga movement to semi-fascism. let that sink in, that was joe biden. he saw that. now the change of tide that we have seen is not just about warning against the new extremism, if you will, of the republican party. it is also about doubling down on wet democrats have delivered, as well. after months of waiting and

wondering, president biden announced a very broad student loan debt forgiveness and reform program. the plan for gives up to $10,000 in debt for public borrowers making under $125, 000, and up to 20,000 for pell grant recipients. is the major step forward and beginning to close the racial wealth gap. it also extends the student loan glossing to beginning of next year. thank you, and caps required payments at 5% of the borrowers income. this is huge. and it comes at a time when democrats appear to be making some gains in, what? the countdown to the midterms. so, what is the white house doing to help seal the deal and deliver productive congress in november? one of the chief architects of the presidents political strategy, general melanie dylan, joins me about that earlier this afternoon. in her very first interview as white house chief of staff. take a listen. >> i want to start with these comments that president biden

made in made earlier this week about what he's calling maga republicans. he did not hold back. so this is a joe biden we can expect going forward? >> hey, simone, it is so great to be here. as you well know, the joe biden we saw this week as the joe biden that has been here since day one. whether you are talking about the kickoff to the campaign, where his inaugural address, or you are hearing him speak in the state of the union. every day he is out there being clear about his vision anticipate to take care of the things that are impacting the american people in their daily lives. and he really believes, and you heard him speak to this, that there is a clear contrast between his vision and democratic elected officials and republican elected officials in the maga agenda. i think he made that very clear. the congress is extremely clear and the difference is very wide. i think you will expect to hear more from him as the days move forward. >> so, along those lines, let's talk about the white house's response to some of the criticisms about that major

student debt relief announcement from earlier this week. the white house announced what i call a decidedly aggressive and on point strategy to call out these republican critics who were recipients of ppp loan forgiveness. take us behind the thinking a lie in lining that strategy up, and what do you think republicans should know about what the white house is saying? >> well, look, i think the president and the white house are never going to be afraid to call it a pachter see. whether it is republican elected officials that are voting against these critical fills in congress that are going to have a real impact on lowering the prices and helping american families, but then go out there on the road and take credit for it. the president called that out this week, as well. but i think what you saw is the president being very clear, this white house been clear, about how important this executive action was. and the real impact it has on american families and students. one of my rules here at the white house is to have the great honor of being able to

travel across the country with the president. and we here, over and over again, through those travels, how meaningful debt relief like this is on families and how this system is set against a lot of people. so what is most important here, to us, to the president, is to be clear about who benefits from this. people receiving 10,000 dollar debt relief, not making any more than 125, 000, in fact i think you know this but 90% of the people who are going to be impacted by the stat relief will be making 75,000 or less. these are middle class families and students in this country. the exact people that the president is fighting for every day. and that he is delivering on. and when people are making claims about that, and giving voice to a false proposition here, we are going to be clear and very direct about calling that out. >> so, jen, what really is the balance at the white house that the white house is trying to strike ahead of the midterms? because we saw the president on one hand this week, warning against maga republicans as he called them, but then we also have seen this dialing up on

the focus of recent democratic accomplishments. so what exactly is the balance? what is the magic formula? >> well the great thing is, we don't have to make a choice of one thing or the other because our message is very simple. the president, democratic elected officials, have a clear vision for this country. a vision that he spoke to on the campaign trail, he spoke to at the beginning of this administration, and he has delivered four. you know as well as anyone that many people didn't give him credit, or believe that there was a path forward here where he can deliver for the american people and the ways that he has. so going out there and talking about the story and the impact on 10 million new jobs, the lowest unemployment, lowering prescription drug costs, taking on special interests, and beating them. like the farm industry, or historic gun legislation. he is going to talk about that, but also talk about more progress that we need. you heard him speak over and over again. he did it again this past week,

about not only taking faith and feeling great about passing something like gun control, for the first time in 30 years, but that there was more work to be done in the sole weapon ban. and that there is a clear difference between what he is doing every day and with the maga republican elected officials are focused on. and the difference there. and you can see this clearly when it comes to choice. the president is abundantly clear from day one that he is going to do all that he can to protect women. and the republican elected officials are out there not only just talking about supporting it with the supreme court did with jobs, but a national ban. and so i think as we go out there, we are talking about the things that american people care about, and it isn't clear contrast. one thing after the other, the extreme agenda of the maga republican elected officials in this country. >> i think everything that you said, it is just the facts. it is the facts that the president has accomplished a lot, that the democratic winds are truly a division that he

laid out on the campaign trail. i was there. but there has been all this pulling at all of this discussion that indicates that the president could be a liability for vulnerable democrats. and i am wondering, what is your response to the critics who say that joe biden, the president to get all this done, that he may not be the best messenger ahead of the midterms in november? >> i would say they should have been there on thursday night when we had not just an extraordinary crowd, but to overflows. and you can imagine how much from the president had working those rogue lines, especially with the marching band. but ultimately, we know that the president is going to continue to go out there and talk to the american people and tell the story about what these winds have. and not in the legislative way, but in the real impact that they are going to have on peoples lives giving them that breathing room. and we know to, every democratic elected official that is out there is talking about the same stuff because their constituents are talking about and caring about the same things. gas prices coming down every

day frightening 74 days in a row. really significant historic investment in climate. being able to really understand what it is like to be an american in this country and to fight for middle class and working families. the president knows that better than anyone. he has been fighting these same things the entire time he's been in office. not just as vice president senate, and before that but there is nobody who's better at getting out there and reaching people connecting with them and we're gonna continue to do that across the country. >> all right white house deputy chief of staff, thank you very much. next we are going to have a closer look at the biden administration's big move on student loans. what does it mean for the bigger problems of growing tuition costs? we are going to get into it. we will be right back. will be right back.

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cancels $20,000 in loans for borrowers who received pell grants. $10,000 and loans for others. it also extends the pause underpayments on till december, and once those payments resume, but boris can no longer be charged more than 5% of their income. somebody say bye-bye high interest rates. activists made student debt relief initiative could await and president biden delivered on his province. both, in my opinion, should be commended. instead there has been a lot of criticism and push back with some saying that it will hurt the economy. but this isn't the first time the federal government is offered bailouts. it did it with wall street, the auto industry, airlines, farmers, and don't try to get me started on the ppp loans. now we are finally giving a piece of that pie to individual mare country to gun large amounts of debt just to get an education. my next guests are here to share their thoughts on all of this. tiny quick ellen is a board member for the association of young americans, and the former national director of youth in

college for the national action network. just about us here, she is the founder president of college girl, and the author of the book, how to pay for college when you are broke. i asked her how do you pay for college when you broke, she told me how all about. it suggests a, i want to start with you. what is your reaction. give me your initial thoughts, what do you think this relief is going to mean for students across the country and borrowers? >> well, for me the relief is just a little bit of relief. $20, 000, if you have received pell grant, 10,000 feet in receive a program. and i mean that is probably barely paying the interest on some of these student loans. additionally, this plan doesn't address, what about parents or parent plus loans? who are now risking their retirement for their child to have an education? also, the relief of colleges is just too expensive. in 1980 according to the national center of education statistics, tuition was $10,231. whereas now, sky it has skyrocketed 181,000 to $28,775 a year. but america has a true problem

and we need to figure out how to fully eliminate student loans. >> you're not happy with this plan? >> no i am not happy. >> lowered. let's talk about the impact for black borrowers. we are going to put this up on the screen for folks that they can see. but, with average black college graduate owing over $52, 000, while white gravity graduates owe an average of $28,000. from my perspective, when i said, i think this debt plan part disproportionately will help impact borrowers of color, particularly black borrowers. how do you see it? >> i agree. i think this is an opportunity as we talk about the racial wealth gap in this country. it is an opportunity for folks to be able to invest in businesses and buy homes. as i said before i think it's a step. not the entire staircase but i think the president did shows what is possible and, a shot at all the organizers and activists who are on the ground. i think that this is a win. we celebrate the small ones but we are not comfortable and

complacent when we know we can always achieve more. >> yes, i mean i really do believe that it was the activists in the advocates that elevated this issue. this is something the president cared about. it's a promise that he made, and i believe he was always gonna keep. it the urgency of the issue came from the advocates of that activists. we just heard jessica, it's not enough. so what more would you like to see? >> i think we should talk about the full cancellation of student debt. as i said before, i think folks are not. happy from white house or from congress? from congress, from future presidents. i think that this set the standard of how we see this issue being addressed. as i said before, we look at education, it should not be a privilege but education is a right. as i said before, i function have to break their backs. should not have to get on welfare. folks should not have to work multiple jobs to get on to get an education. we should make college free, and that's all of the conversation itself. but i think we addressed today and being able to cancel that and how families can invest in their futures to be able to achieve that american dream, that is where we are.

and we celebrate the win but there's still so much more. >> look, i think the way the ad activists stood outside the white house they need to sit outside the truck chirac isn't asking for a. bill jessica, a couple weeks ago i talked to zero as you had student loans and they said that they didn't understand the gravity of the loans they were taking out when they're 18 years old and taking them out. so do you think that part of what is needed going forward is education for future borrowers at the time before they even take these loans out? >> yes, i completely agree. and i feel like these at institutions have to educate their students. it should just be like, if you want to go, here side in this dotted line. it needs to be, one of my signing? what is the breakdown of this? the student aid has a student lane loan estimated two to lead an estimate the cost of what you may need to borrow and understanding deborah what you need to know if you want. the school has an obligation to these kids to make sure that these students thoroughly understand would students are. because it is not until they graduate that they get this

bill that they have to repay, but they had no idea. or they receive these refunds of they are thinking, it's free money for income. and they come to find out, that is money that they had to pay back in the long run. so i think it is so important that institutions begin to step up with their customer service experience, to help the students understand what they are signing up for to ensure that their graduates achieve financial freedom. >> we talked a little bit about on the show already about the backup on the white house already this week. what do you think about the white house replanting some receipts to some of our republican friends. >> i think it was amazing. a lot of times we heard a lot of this conversation from folks who were against and even this conversation we hear folks talk about, well you know, i paid my way they're college or i work through jobs. the fact of the matter is, he should not have to deal that. like i said, break your back to achieve education. because it is right not a privilege. >> jessica,, you get the last word on this. one >> i completely agree.

i mean you've got six or seven figures forgiven on your ppp loan, and i'm trying to get my hundred $80,000 of student loan forgiven so that i can pursue my phd. so i don't see where the problem isn't that. we have a war right now it's two loans that we need to concentrate on to ensure that our students are able to matriculate, graduate and secure all of life luxuries. >> all right, will tylik, jessica, thank you very much. i appreciate you being here. all right, they're just 72 days until the midterms. and democrats have got a lot of things they need to get done. we have to pull out the stops on there, and the republicans are, like we're gonna try to stop them from keeping the house. it's don't forget is going to be a winning issue for democrats? what about abortion? we are going to talk about it all, next. we are going to talk about i all, next. all, next. this is the moment. for a treatment for moderate-to-severe eczema. cibinqo — fda approved. 100% steroid free. not an injection, cibinqo is a once-daily pill

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friends is growing out of the midterms, but they are going to need everybody on board in order to buck historical trends and expand the congressional majorities in november. so how crucial could president biden's ambitious student loan proposal be? and maybe showing that up? well, let's bring in our political panel to discuss. kimberly atkins store's is an msnbc political analyst and accomplished for the boston globe, we see colbert is the founder black women who use media and shermichael singleton is a political consultant, boston globe contributor, and a host of screen share on peacock. i love shermichael speak acho. kimberly, i want to start with you. how do you see this debt forgiveness changing the game

in november, or does it? particularly when we talk about our young voters. >> i think that it absolutely could. i think leading up to this, simone, there was some frustration among the voters who formed part of the coalition that helped president biden win in 2020 that there wasn't enough action on many of the issues that we hear about. i think that there is traditionally a fear among democrats and getting into issues that they see maybe as wedge issues, or things that aren't the quote traditional or kitchen table issues like inflation. but what happened in 2020 as we saw a coalition of voters. we are talking about things like student loan forgiveness, like other economic issues. leg voting rights, and other things. and we haven't seen much action on this so this is a fulfillment of a promise that he made. he said on the campaign trail that he would immediately relieve that $10,000 while working with congress to do

something more broadly. so it is essential that he did that in order to live up to that promise and let the voters know that he heard them and that's it is crucial and making the case that he and other democrats should be reelected. >> you know, we are also seeing a change in tone from the white house and the white house usually recently used the twitter account to highlight the ppp loan of republican members of congress who slammed student debt relief. as you can see on your screen, these congressional members had hundreds of thousands, even millions of dollars in ppp loans forgiven with no income caps or forgiveness ceilings. now, not sure michael, i'm talking about when they need when they go low you need to go toe to toe. what is your take when taking on this hypocrisy? >> well it is what it, is these are republican politics here. and i get. it but i will say, my bigger question for the president, this appears to be a temporary fixed. the bigger question is, what should the administration, republicans and democrats isn't just a democratic issue, due to lower the cost of going to college or university in general? there are administrative costs

that are a big deal. we know the college campuses are building amenities to attract students. the easy access of loans, that is another one of the reasons why colleges are like, well the loans are there so we're gonna keep i got the prices. what do we do down the line so that your kids, my future kids, can go to unaffordable institution regardless of whether not we can afford it? that is a bigger question. so while i think it's gonna provide some relief, i would've referenced say $50, 000, particularly for black people. that would've really helped, really close the wealth gap for younger african americans in our white counterparts. yeah, i'm a conservative here, but i do care about closing that gap for most people. in our community. so there we go. >> receipt, talk to me a little bit about the practical impact of this. what if you heard from the folks we've been talking to? >> well, you know, first of all i think that too much of the conversation is driven by the 7% of student loan debt borrowers hero over 1100 dollars 11,000. the reality is that that is not the majority. the majority of far less than

$100,000. they are less than 40 or $20,000. so this is going to have a massive impact. so they might be not as loud in their advocacy, but they are just as impacted in a positive way. when we talk about black, the black wealth gap. because of the emphasis on pell grants, which 70 something percent of black students are eligible for. they are going to see $20,000 relieved. and this alone remove 500,000 black families from a negative net worth to a positive net worth. so this has real tangible impacts. it is a promise kept and a lot of people when they start to see those balances wiped out are going to be very satisfied. >> well it is not just the white house that is shifting the strategy as of late. republicans are shifting their strategy to. we have republican arizona senate candidate black blake masters, okay, and he has not got a new abortion stance in one of his most recent ads. this is after, a day after scrubbing his website of his previous position. listen to this. >> look, i support a ban on

very late term and partial birth abortions, and most americans agree with that. >> some of the script language from his campaign website included calling for quote, a federal personhood law. ideally, a constitutional amendment that recognizes that unborn babies are human beings that may not be killed. kimberly, we have seen a similar backtracking from other republican candidates like terry lake, ben cox for example, and others. i think that it is normal for primary winners to adopt a broader message as they head to the general, but this is not that. because blake masters in the tweeting putting that ad like accused mark twirly of lying about his position on abortion when he clearly was not. >> no, i mean he is clearly trying to politic while at the same time in that video, do you know what he described, simone? he described the state of the law under roe v. wade. that is exactly what was allowed under roe v. wade. you see, republicans across the border realizing that they are

the dog who caught the car, and realizing that if you don't have a medical background -- . [inaudible] >> kimberly, you are breaking up. i struggle to hear you. but kimberly made the point that you saw all of these things being described. and there is the just just the position of what is true, what is real, and what somebody is saying. sure michael, this also comes on the heels of democrat ryan winning in that special election in new york. i'll be interviewing caroline tomorrow. and he emphasizes his position on abortion and talking about freedom. do you think that that is going to spell trouble for him? >> i think so, simone. i mean look at kansas. they have a democratic government governor, donald trump won by 20. points and we saw is that even republicans in the some of the reddest did divisions, by sometimes 30 to 40% also voted with democrats to not have stricter voting laws. and so, i think this idea of returning to the states republican saw, that would be

significant. what is showed me is that if you allow voters to actually vote on this, even republican voters might surprise a lot of people. and i think republicans are looking at that, they look at the data, and they are realizing holy smoke. maybe we have jumped the horse too fast on this. and i think, simone, if you look at republicans in november, we've talked about oh they're gonna win they're going to win. but that may be true but the question is, by what margin? and i don't think the margin is gonna be as expensive as we thought it would've been six or seven months. ago >> kimberly made this point at the top of their number present promises that the president made that people been looking to see kept. i don't think democrats should get complacent. we see, what are you hearing from folks? what do you think people need to be cautious about? well first of all they need to be cautious about the gaslighting of republicans. they're running away from their record. they can run but they cannot hide. we have their interviews. they're gonna be held to account for the records, whether they want to dodge debates like herschel walker and a lot of these prominent republicans, or whether they're just doing --

on twitter. it's going to be decision day in november. they're gonna have problems on their hands. >> all right, shermichael, kimberly, thank you so much. after the break we're digging a little deeper. butter turnout is key when it comes to the midterms. we're gonna get too wet democrats should do to make sure these folks turnout in november, and what is the message, messaging? we'll get to it next. we'll get to it next for all the freshness and softness of home. even when you're not at home. feel the difference with downy.

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decline in black voter turnout which could put democrats in a bind as black voters are often key to turn to purple states blue. turnouts in black majority words has declined over the years, and other key state is georgia, where voter suppression efforts could easily stephen votes. the state pestilent causing new restrictions, reducing drop boxes, shrinking the window for voting, the ceo -- terms woodbury is also here, he's the ceo of -- i want to dive in here. full disclosure, i had to be, i happen to be chatting with each of you. we need to have this conversation on the show. terrence, we know that black voters play a key role. can you just lay that out with the data for us. >> black voters are gonna be

more critical in this election than they were in 2020. joe biden put together a coalition that was very different than the clinton coalition, the obama coalition, and frankly they're putting together a different one in 2022 and the one that propelled pro biden to victory. joe biden won with only 79% of black men votes, he won with 83% of -- that's not gonna be enough for warnock, for stacey abrams. he was able to search white seniors. he was able to do better for white men. i don't think warnock is going to be doing better than whites -- >> i want your thoughts and voter suppression. do you worry about how georgia's new voting law will affect mid term turnout? you just heard these numbers. >> absolutely, senate bill 202,

the bill that you referenced earlier, the law that you referenced earlier changed over 50 of georgia's laws and so we have yet to see the impact of how these many changes are going to affect the voter experience. we are talking about cutting over 100 days from the absentee vote by mail timeline. as you mentioned before, a cap of one drop box per county, or when drop box per 100,000 voters. they've added five new crimes. two of them are felonies. they're criminalizing a lot of the voter behavior. a lot of the voter support activity that we see that helps encourage participation. but also that helps keep peoples spirits high as they deal with -- trying to overcome voter suppression. i'm talking about the water carriers and faith leaders, and girl scouts, and boy scouts who hand out snacks to voters who

are in five, six, seven our lines. this will be the first election since senate bill 202 became law. i'm deeply concerned about the impact that it's going to have. not only on participation and voter experience but also the counting of the votes. the transparency that we have in that process. and the certification of the election. >> terrence we mentioned wisconsin at the top of this. i'm wondering your take on how democrats can get more black voters out this midterm election. can we reach more black voters in place flick wisconsin where black vote has declined over the last couple years. it's gonna be critical if melbourne's wants to make their way to the senate -- >> mandela burns is a client of strategies -- were helping him muddled boys the black vote in wisconsin. but that's exactly what i mean

by a very different coalition. mandela burns is going to have to reach obama level numbers. 94, 95, 96%. that's gonna require democrats like mandela to demerit straight the progress before we make progress about what will do for the next two years. frankly, they don't believe us. we have to demonstrate progress over the last two years. today, 73% of black voters say that their lives have not improved since democrats took control of congress and since joe biden became president. i was in focus groups, and four out of a black man in that room told me that their lives were better when donald trump was president. folks like mandela and redfield were not, and stacey abrams, we have work to do. we're off to a good start by nominating that diverse slate of cans candidates.

>> before we go, i want to know that you're organization has knocked down 1 million doors to get voters of color out in georgia. do you think you've been successful in motivating black voters to participate in the midterms, and what do you think of the turnout? >> despite the attacks on the black electorate and the black vote, we are encouraged by what we're seeing and the conversations that we're having we're witnessing a more sophisticated black electorate, right? moving from the analysis about the guy you'd want to have a beer with, to who can we elect to send to washington d.c.? who can be sent to the governor's mansion to do our work? who has an agenda for working families and for black families? what we're also seeing is a response, i know this may not be universal factor, but the

attack on democracy, right? the republicans willingness to sacrifice democracy on the altar of racial superiority. on the altar of white supremacy. black people of all ages are aware of that. in a lot of ways it feels like the battle for the future of georgia -- we're seeing by people who are ready to sign up. >> all right nse, you all will be back next month. we have to talk about this. thank you for being here, and thank you for watching symone on this saturday afternoon. you can catch me right here on msnbc weekends at 4 pm eastern, and make sure to tune in tomorrow at 4 pm. i will have congressman-elect pat ryan joined me after is upset win in that special election in new york. for more of the show behind of the scenes videos you will not see anywhere else, find us on instagram, twitter, tiktok, politics nations with the great reverend sharpton starts next.

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