breaking developments out of florida where a judge might allow a special master to review the documents taken by the fbi for mar-a-lago plus, actions speak louder than words, but post roe outrages turned into voter registration surges and increased election turnout. how could it shape the midterms? then a stunning plea for help, republicans admit they have a massive fund raising part bum. i am ayman mohyeldin let's get started. breaking news tonight, a federal judge in florida appointed by donald trump has issued a preliminary ruling on

trump's request to apply a special master to review the documents seized by the fbi during their search of mar-a-lago earlier this month. the judge indicated that she decided to side with trump, but has not made a final decision just yet. there's a hearing thursday to discuss this matter. also new today director of national intelligence april haynes, has told the chairs of the house and intelligence and oversight committees that the intelligence committee is conducting a damage assessment of the documents taken from trump's home. this comes after the justice department released a redacted version of the affidavit. the affidavit used to convince a judge to authorize the search. of course, the main of fbi agents reviewed 15 boxes that trump provided to the national archives, and the search warrant affidavit details the amount of classified materials found in them. 184 documents contained classified markings, including

67 documents that were labeled as confidential, 92 that were labeled a secret, 25 documents were in fact marked as top secret. some of the classified materials were mixed with news clippings and other non classified papers. meanwhile, according to the pittsburgh post gazette, this is important, the fbi has launched an investigation into a russian-speaking ukrainian immigrant who allegedly posed as one of a member of the rothschild family to gain access to trump's inner circle at mar-a-lago. while there is no connection to the classified material, it is a demonstration of the lack of security and screening at the same place that these sensitive documents were housed. and how is trump reacting to all of this? as you can imagine, he's he's throwing a tantrum. rolling stone reports that he's demanding that his legal team to get the documents.

to be clear here, the document sees belong to the u.s. government. they do not belong to donald trump. let's welcome in our saturday night panel, joan walsh basil a. smikle, democratic strategist maya wiley, nbc legal analyst. it's good to have you with you. maya, i will start with you your reactions from this preliminary review on the special master. is it a surprise or somewhat expected? first, the judge has said that this is not a final decision, just an indication of leaning. but it is surprising to hear it because it is unusual in this kind of circumstance where you have the fbi with a very lengthy affidavit that has probable cause that crime has been committed. that was reviewed by an independent magistrate and found probable cause that that would then occasion a special master.

normally you might remember when donald trump's former attorney, michael cohen, had documents seized there was and issue if there was attorney-client privilege in those documents. that's what we're used to saying. if there's a question of privilege, executive privilege here, which is really where the government says, well, if there are conversations that are deliberating about a decision, it's a bad idea to make back public. that's really the weakest there is, and frankly, even the supreme hasn't turned that one back. well it's a bit confusing. but i will say this, it doesn't matter because at the end of the day, the question is the evidence and the law. and the evidence still stands. john how significant is this from the announcement that the damage assessment will be conducted? i have to say, i can't recall a time when the intelligence committee had to conduct a

damage assessment for something a former president of the united states did. >> it's very significant, it's necessary, it's excellent that she made the decision but it shows you what we've come to and how much fear there is, legitimate fear, about the damage that could've been done not just to methods of intelligence gathering, not just to what is known, but specifically to human people who work for us in other countries, in this country. there is a lot of legitimate concern. and i think people like to speculate, and i don't want us to get ahead of ourselves, i i don't know if he sold some of this, i don't know why he had it, but i know that the cia was very concerned, they don't know exactly what was going on. they lost a lot of assets. so i think the chairs were right to ask for this assessment.

and we need to learn -- will learn a lot if he's ever charged, and we have to know before that. and that is a separate process. >> what i have to say basil, it seems that trump doesn't know that he cannot get those documents back, those top secret documents back. it's pretty bizarre that according to rolling stone, he's telling his lawyers will bring me back my documents. >> well, he doesn't know, or doesn't. care to jones point, one of the things that is so concerning is the line that said clandestine human sources which really should scare all of us. that he has routinely, let me not say that, he has at least in this process this consistently, to your question, tried to deflect responsibility, tried to indicate that, you know, he didn't to know what he was doing, he had declassified

these documents earlier. but it's clear that what he does present the danger, it rises to the level of that being investigated. the site itself could be a site that rises to the level of creating a danger and a hazard. he, and i just think about this, i think about 2016 when he was calling for hillary clinton to be locked up, lock her up, and i was on this network talking about and defending hillary clinton, only to see this president do something 100 times worse, in my view. none of this is surprising. none of this should surprise voters that are out there, that he is cloying and trying to come out of this in a certain way. and it doesn't look like, at least from my point of view, that he is going to be victorious. special master or not. i can't see that this ends well

for him. i have to be honest with you, with republicans, it's always about projecting, all they do is project. so i'm not surprised that donald trump back in 2016 was calling out hillary clinton for her emails and is now caught embroiled in taking these classified documents. it's always projection with them. maya, let us talk about this affidavit for a moment. what's surprised you the most after reading it? >> all i can say is, i just wanted to lift up the black marks and see what was underneath them. there is not that much surprising in this sense. there was some more detail, but there is nothing very surprising. only in the sense that, to get a warrant, to search the home of a former president's unprecedented. so for a judge to say, i'm filing probable cause for fbi to go and say we need a warrant because we have probable cause

that crimes are being committed, and at the very top of the affidavit, of course, starting with allegations of espionage act allegations. allegations that national defence is at risk as a result of documents taken and possibly tempered with, transmitted, how they were being held, insecurely, all of those things were no surprise. there are details though that our titillating. obviously, kash patel having publicly said he sprinkled magic fairy dust and proclaimed these documents declassified. which is not really how it works. but the fbi actually talking about that in the affidavit, and then later making clear in that affidavit -- sorry. they don't buy it, they don't believe him. certainly, there could not have been evidence if that was the case. and i just want to go back to one thing basil said, this

president and these documents, it really does go to some extremely serious and dangerous documents, dangerous to us if they are made public. this is a person of donald trump who has been undermining national security, even when he was in office, the difference, now just remember with putin and helsinki and who to our conversation in which she comes out and says that he does not believe his own national intelligence about russia interfering in the 2016 election. that actually was undermining national security. but here's the thing now -- he's not the president. he does not have the protection of the office, and certainly, when he had the power to make these documents declassified, one, it would still be owned by the u.s. government, but to, it would have been political suicide to endanger national security publicly, and three, there is no evidence that he

did it. >> i have to say, he doesn't get to the benefit of the doubt given his past behavior. i think that is just, from a pr standpoint, he doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt when it comes to what he is doing with these documents. >> sorry, so many of his former staffers laugh at the notion that he declassified these things. we never knew about that, we never heard about that. i don't love to quote john bolton, but he's only one of a dozen to say this is ridiculous, no one has heard that before. somebody -- one of us would have to have known. nobody knew. >> and provide any documents or executive orders, or anything that substantiates that claim. panel, stick around, we have a lot more to discuss, we will talk politics after the break. later in the hour. up next, the overturning roe v. wade has galvanized democratic voters. could it be enough to help them keep control of congress in the midterms? but first, my friend richard louis is here with the headline. >> some of the stories we are watching for you, democrat charlie crist introduces carla

hernandez maths as his running mate in the gubernatorial race. fernandes mets has served as the president of the miami-dade teachers union that face rhonda scientists. ukraine's president warns that dangerous situation of shelling continues around the nuclear plant in southeastern ukraine. the government has even started to hand out iodine pills for radiation. russia and ukraine have repeatedly accused each other firing weapons around the puck on it. and the families of the uvalde school shooting victims protested at the texaco -- texas capital on saturday. run raise the minimum age for purchasing semi automatic rifles. this after a federal judge struck down a state law that barred people under 21 from carrying handguns. more ayman with ayman mohyeldin after this break.

several states have seen a surge in women registration to vote at the supreme court overturned roe v. wade. with women on average making up 55% of new registrations post

dobbs, then under 50% -- for ten states that were analyzed by the new york times. kansas, michigan, pennsylvania, in particular, those states saw massive spikes. and the increase offers rare concrete evidence that the supreme court decision has in fact galvanized voters, but particularly, female voters, the data gives little indication of whether the shift will be large enough or persistent enough to affect the outcome of the midterms. we are also beginning to see higher voter turnout levels, as well. take florida, for example, this week, more democrats showed up to vote then in 2018. given that 2018 was a historically favorable year for democrats, and 2022 recently looked like a democratic wiped out, dissimilar level of democratic engagement is stunning. one man who hopes the benefit from this potential electoral sea change is matt castelli. this week, he won the democratic primary for new york 's 21st congressional new york district. he joins us live now. matt, it's good to have you with us.

i want to get your thoughts on the special election results in new york 19, which borders part of the district that you are running to represent. we talked about this earlier in the program. democrat pat ryan won by hammering home the message protecting choice. your reaction to his win and how you see his results affecting your race? >> thank you, ayman, great to be with you. the new york 19th race was a great signal for our race, both as a potential bellwether for the midterms, i think it is also a bellwether for our race against congresswoman elise stefanik in upstate new york 2021. well we saw on tuesday and in terms here in that special election, was that we saw voters in this special election in your 19, which is adjacent to near 21, and our democratic primary, which as you pointed out, we had high turnout from democrats within this primary then in 2018 and also in a republican primary in upstate

new york, we saw voters reject the extremism that we saw from congresswoman stefanik across the board. this is a good signal for all race, because we are turning our congressional race against stefanik into one of the most important in the country. it is the front line against the battle for the soul of character. >> are you heartened in a general sense by some of these statistics that we just ran through showing increased voter enthusiasm and registration, particularly in a post absorbed. >> absolutely, dobbs is tragic for millions of american women across the nation. we understand that it is important to be engaged in this democratic process, in our elections. we saw that in the race for new york 19, which as you pointed out by good friend pat ryan made a key issue. it is a key issue in our race as well. from the very beginning, when we heard about the prospect of roving overturned, we were galvanizing with women all across the district in protests and rallies this was across the political spectrum. we had independents and republicans come out, across

different age groups. we had young women, older women, we even had a ten-year-old young woman in fulton county -- in our district, who saw fit -- who is so outraged by the dobbs decision, a threat to her rights, and millions of americans women, that she wanted to organize the protests. of course, i did. the reason why this race is important is because congresswoman lisa stefanik is the message for the republicans. their message for the midterms is coming from her. she is the one leading the extremist war, despite being a woman herself. we all know that the best way to combat this extremist threat is to show up and fight back. we do that with every election going forward. >> let me ask you about at least the funding for a moment. as you mentioned, she is your

opponent but she also serves in republican and house leadership. talk to me about how she has been radicalized over the past few years. i don't say that lightly. at one time, she was seen as a moderate within the gop. she is now a full blown maga liar. >> absolutely, she is someone who in the aftermath of the 2020 election, continue to spread the big lie that led to the events of january six, and she saw an opportunity to advance her own career. she has embraced extremism and promoted magnetism at the detriment of our district and our country. when we see the embrace of extremism within the ranks of the republican party, congresswoman stefanik is the one leading that charge. she is doing it to at the answer on career. she poses a unique threat to our freedoms, to our security and to our democracy. that is what the race is all about. at a local level in the district, her opportunism is coming at the expense of our

constituent needs. she consistently votes against the needs of artistic. she's only interested in advancing her own career, so this race is an opportunity for us to galvanize voters across the political spectrum, democrats, independents and even republicans who are coming on board and market pain before country for us, because that is what we require. >> let me ask you more broadly speaking about the district that you are running to represent, and it is obviously a conversation happening across the country between the investigation into the former president, the search at his home there in mar-a-lago, and why that matters to your constituents in your district. if someone were to ask you why they should care about it, what is the argument that you make on a constituent level about why this is important? >> it is about the rule a law. it is about law and order. it is about safety and security, listen i am a former cia officer. i spent a lot of time around highly classified information,

special access programs, if i took even one piece of that home, you would expect that i would have federal law enforcement officers at my door, knocking down, seeking to get that back, let alone, hundreds of that. the threat here is that we cannot hold one person about the law or a law for this ongoing threat and potential compromise of national security information. we talked about this with your other panelists, with the kind of information that is obtained in these documents, human intelligence sources of information, that could compromise the lives of human beings put an arms way to protect our national security. so there are grief stakes here. what we are really disappointed by is that congresswoman stefanik would rather protect her own political future, then protect our law enforcement, and our national security. in the immediate aftermath of the fbi search, she immediately called for basically attacks against federal law enforcement, the department of justice. she put targets on the back of

our law enforcement. the hypocrisy we see now from elements of the extremist wing of the republican party that congresswoman stefanik represents, poses a direct threat to our law enforcement. these are top issues at the top of the month for constituents here. >> matt castelli, thank you so much for your time, i greatly appreciate you joining us. best of luck, and hope to have you back on the program. >> thanks, ayman. >> at the break, republican senate candidates are being badly outspent and key races across the country.

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this cause for alarm might have to do with this, across eight key states, democratic candidates on track to spend more than $74 million on ads between memorial day and labor day. the republican counterparts, they're only expected to spend 12 point $6 million. my panel is back with me to break it all down. joan, what does it say about the republicans prospects and the senate that the chairwoman even had to make that call? >> i think one thing is interesting is she talks about how there was a geyser of donations to democrats since the dobbs decision. so from small donors voting, as we've talked about, but also voting with their checkbook's. and filling the coffers of democrats. there's also the situation of leaving money inside the senate, they have really awful

candidates. doctor oz is embarrassing himself almost daily, we have doug mastriano in pennsylvania, parading around in the confederate army suit when he represents gettysburg, the scene of a great union, bloody victory in the civil war. these people are terrible. listen, i just want to raise one alarm because we all read, i'm sure, that great and alarming new york times piece this week about leonard leo, the catholic right-winger getting 1. 6 billion dollars in -- to spend as dark money from a big right wing billionaire. that money cannot go directly to candidates, but it can go to issues, we don't know have to know about it, we won't know about it. so i always have the feeling they will come up with a lot of money in the end. we shouldn't sit here and think the democratic fundraising

prowess or advantages permanent. they will come up with some dirty money in the end. baseball, the center leadership super pac aligned with minority leader mitch kirkconnell is planning a catch blitz of more than 100 and $60 million in advertising in the coming months. are democrats financially prepared for this fighter ahead, or have they spent early and running out? >> i think they are financially prepared in part because this urgency behind this infusion of cash, and that's always something as a former pro d leader, you want to see. you want to be create that sense of urgency and, to something that you said earlier in the show, can it be sustained? that is the critical point. can we -- can democrats sustain that level of urgency from now through november? i think john is right candidate quality has a lot to do with that. there are a lot of great candidate for the democrats.

you teased charlie crist earlier who chose a teacher at a time when teachers are under attack because their attacks on critical race theory, book banning, and libraries, and such. as long as democrats can maintain that level of enthusiasm and urgency, particularly around these really critical issues that have bubbled up to the surface, whether it's because of supreme court action, or because of republicans own attempt to mobilize their supporters, i think the democrats can stay strong. i will make this point, in an earlier poll, threats against democracy actually polled better than even economic issues. what that suggests to me is democrats have done a herculean job between the impeachment hearings and january 6th, to bring that issue to the forefront. so that if we can attach that

to at least the stefanik's of the world, who have been radicalized is the word you used earlier, again, it just adds to that level of engagement, enthusiasm, and urgency for democrats in the formal. maya, this week, mcconnell's group also announced that they would cover of the $8 million worth spending in arizona and the two in alaska due to the, quote, unexpected expense in ohio where j. d. vance, not exactly the top tier quality, for that open senate seat. look, millions in ad spending is now appearing for these candidates. you've run for office before, what can that do to a campaign in places like arizona and alaska, when you're being basically told honestly, listen, we're gonna give take money from you, and give it to the struggling guy? >> i will say this, what matters most is that voters have a sense of who they want to vote for. and whenever you are in a place when you can get to people in

the way you would like to so they can connect you directly, and it's hard to connect directly with all voters, you rely heavily on the advertisement. television and radio. any form to get not only your name out there, but a sense of what you stand for and who you are, so that voters will be enthusiastic about you. but look, it's so interesting to me about arizona, for example. blake masters has had to step way back off of his abortion positions. even taking off of his website his position on abortion. and those are indicators that suggest that he has a problem that is bigger than advertising. j. d. vance, the man who compared abortion to slavery, was attacked rightly by black leaders. but also suggested that if your left, your marriage because you are being beaten, that somehow you were let down by your kids and being a bad parent, i think they were doing a good job advertising themselves, and

it's one that galvanized the six plus percentage point increase in women who showed up to register to vote since the dobbs decision. >> panel, please stick around, we have a lot more to discuss. republicans, just when you think they can't get any lower, they do. new low, new lows to attack doctor fauci is where they are going next. i gotta say moving in together has been awesome. no regrets. for you and emily. these are... amazing. thank you wayfair. how's the puppy? puppy's perfect. yeah great decision! ♪ wayfair you've got just what i need ♪ ♪ ♪

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>> i'm just sick of seeing him. i know he's going to retire. someone needs to grab that little elf and chuck him across [inaudible] >> this isn't the point, but if ron desantis is calling fauci and out of, he might want to know that he's only two inches taller than the doctor. others on the right called for fauci to be investigated. >> has he done more damage to more people, and more ageist the more people in this country. >> he's like an authoritarian monster. >> he's destroyed the lives of a generational of children. a few, doctor fauci. >> even tony fauci knows that tony fauci's agenda is fraud. >> it's a character assassination could not say that creating narcissism is perfectly wonderful. what a hack. >> doctor fauci, retirement or not, is going to be spending a lot of time in front of a congressional committee. >> we've already told doctor fauci to preserve all of his documents and all of his emails. >> investigated for what

exactly? stopping trump from pushing hydroxychloroquine on to the public? let's put bring in back hour saturday night panel. joan, your reaction to desantis's disgusting comments. >> disgusting. he's such a thug and he's putting himself after donald trump. not just the insult, but the threat to chuck him across the potomac. it's disgusting. and i've never liked to talk about peoples looks, but if he's gonna call doctor fauci an elf, he's starting to look like fred flintstone in a cheap suit. he's standing there, he can't really get a handle on his new body. and it's awful. and megan irrelevant kelly needs to resort to the f-word because she's not getting enough attention since she left fox. that cast of characters is really odious. doctor fauci is a hero. and he has nothing to worry

about from them. >> basil, how is doctor fauci public enemy number one for the gop? the time that he's served under president trump, until, now they have made him his their public enemy number one. >> joan, you forgot desantis wearing the top gun suit, in the ad, that's got to be one of the worst things i've seen in a long time. but, to answer your question, the issue here is that, what doctor fauci was doing was the work of a public servant. and public service was nowhere to be found in the days of donald trump's presidency. this is personal for me. there are 17 people that i i know people who have died know have died but -- that in the mid 90s, i was do work to provide services to hiv

and a.i.d.s. patients in philadelphia. and how they were using -- we know fauci was instrumental in supporting more research and founding for hiv and a. i. d. s.. to, me what he represents is a public service. he did work to save lives. and i believe very strongly that more lives would've been lost had he not been in the place where he was. so to me, for republicans to go after him in the way that they are suggests to me that this isn't about public service, that's is about what feeding into a maniac, like donald trump. and that was important to them. to promote those talking points, to promote that fear and anger, and that confusion, and potentially the loss of lives. that was more important to them than actually getting it right. then actually paying attention to the science and getting it right. and if we talk about why there is an urgency and there isn't and through z adam among democrats, whether they are closing the gap right now, this is absolutely part of it.

>> how much of this do you think is the gop trying to deflect blame on the disastrous handling of covid from the previous very stable genius that we had in the oval office, to dr. fauci? an acclaimed scientist. >> well i think this is everything to do with politics, as basil said, nothing to do with policy or public service. and i would say that there are two things that are dangerous and scary about this. one to your point, this was a pandemic where we had a public servant who frankly, from where i was sitting, did his best to ensure that he was sharing the information he had with the public, even when it contradicted misinformation and disinformation from the president, of the sitting president at the time. that is always dangerous, if you attack someone who's in public service for doing what a

public servant is supposed to do, which is their job, it's not about loyalty, or any candidate person in power. secondly, and sitting, here i should've corrected you at the top, ayman, because i'm the former msnbc legal analyst, but as the presidency of the legal conference on civil rights, we are sitting and watching the increase of hate crimes and violence. and watching the stoking of political violence that is actually holding democracy bites throughout. and every single time we have republican leadership, or any leadership, actually textiles, celebrate, or suggest that vigilantism or violence, what we see is an uptick in violence. we saw that in buffalo, we saw that in uvalde, and we've seen these incidents grow. there are three gillespie texas counties who have we have ron desantis also resigned because the threats of violence. we have ron desantis also talking about his voting police talking about his voting police that are going to search out, quote, unquote, voting fraud.

that are going to search out, we quote, unquote, voting fraud. saw a man from massachusetts we saw man from massachusetts go to arizona, threatening the go to arizona, threatening the life of a secretary of state. life of a secretary of state. all of this is because of all of this is because of politically violent rhetoric, politically violent rhetoric, and driving division rather than trying to find ways to and driving division rather unite us as a country to solve the problems we share. the problems we shared don't have the politics. we only have a people. but this is dangerous. maya wiley, thank you for making that important point about the rhetoric that we are seeing. joan walsh, basil a. smikle, tanks to you, greatly appreciate having all three of you this evening. thank you. coming up, the woman who wrote the book on knowing your value in the workplace joins us next. ♪ [dog barks] [dog panting] [dogs barking] [dogs growling]

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another campaign promise, immigration and daca, as it is known, deferred action for some childhood arrivals. this week, the biden administration finalized rules to transform the daca rule from 6000 so-called dreamers to a federal legislation, and move at protecting the program from legal charges that imperil its existence. now, the rules set to take effect on october 31st, and it will cut off by the obama era program. in the midst of policy conversations like this, we often talking cold terms, that can dehumanize the actual dreamers whose futures are at stake. daniela pierre bravo has written a book on her experiences as a tumor, and how her experiences an immigrant check tear work and herself. it is called the other, how to own your power at work as a woman of color. danya pierre bravo joins me now. it's good to see you. for our viewers who don't know, daniella and i worked on the

same show on the opposite end of the day. here we are on the evening side of things. it is good to see you, my friend, congratulations on this book. we're a journey it must have been to right. talk to me a little bit about it. your book is all about how people can effectively advocate for themselves and claim space within their career. how do you think people can start to do this in the workplace? >> yeah, ayman, thank you for having me. it's good to see you. i wrote this book first and foremost after nikki and i wrote -- in 2019, a fantastic opportunity to collaborate with her. i got a lot of feedback from women who have felt like the other, women who are children of immigrants, immigrants themselves, women of color, who know what that feeling of not belonging in its basis. when you talk about advocating

for yourself effectively and taking up space in the workplace, i wanted this book to be as much as practical tips on how to advocate for yourself effectively but also question and challenge the origins of our own sense of otherness because you and i know that often comes from a projection of fear and insecurity, and we have ourselves by and to that at some point. it has affected us all our lives and especially for women of color in the workplace. >> you are absolutely right on that. to that point, friday was women's equality day, and president biden met with officials in honor of it. how important is it to be honoring and recognizing women equity right now, given all the challenges women are facing in this country? what would you like to see done to help marginalized women, specifically, in the workplace? >> it is incredibly important to talk about this, but equality when it comes to equal pay for women is not done in uniform. black women and latinas this year have actually gone backwards on equal pay. latinas, for example, have always liked behind the farthest. this year, they are 49 cents to

a white man's dollar. that's almost a year. we went from october 21st through december 8th this year. it almost takes us a year to catch up with white men. as i was writing this book, ayman, i heard this frustration so many times from women of color, when they go into a company and the company talks a big talk about diversions's in and conclusion, by the time to get there, there are not getting the support, the mentorship, the platform in order to actually have a voice. i think if you really want to help women of color and give them a platform and a space, it's really about putting those billions of dollars that are used on diversity and inclusion to women who actually work in the workplace and support mentorship for those women. >> i want to ask you about daca in light of the news about it this week. in your book, you actually write the livelihood of daca recipients are on a constant rollercoaster of lawsuits that have the power at any moment to

take away our ability to be here, legally or equally. does this move by the age has to anything to alleviate that uncertainty that daca recipients are dreamers are constantly living under knowing that the road could be pulled from out underneath their feet? >> in short, no, this was the moderate fix. it is not a permit fix. it is not a path the legalization. we have been at this for a decade. i have heard the frustration of fellow daca recipients -- what happens, every time we hear about this, whether -- the supreme court, we often hear from daca recipients, i could myself here, go out and ray updates on how much we have contributed to the country and really ask for people to believe us about how much we belong in this country. it's this constant questioning of our worthiness. i think a lot of us are tired, exhausted and just waiting for the permit takes that can really only come from congress. >> let me ask you if i can

quickly, daniela, about their research and writing this book and speaking to people. why is the political inability to do something about dreamers? why has it taken so long to just do something that i think the majority of americans support? >> yeah, it has not just been a decade, it's been since 2001. i make a point to talk about the hundreds of people that were undocumented, who have been at this since 2001. a lot of them had not been able to benefit from daca. their age did not meet the cut off. i think it has turned into a political game. the really heartbreaking part is that there are real people behind it. there are people who have been here, contributed and really don't know what else to to find themselves as other than american. at the same time, again, it is a constant questioning of our

work and our sense of belonging. a lot of us are just tired and exhausted. >> that is why we wanted to have this conversation with you. you have done the work with this book. congratulations to you for putting a face on this very important policy discussion. danielle up here -- it is good to see you, my friend. good luck with everything. keep up the work. >> thank you so much, ayman. >> and thank you for making time with us. make sure to come back tomorrow night at 9 pm eastern right on my msnbc. but in the king that that will join us live to discuss his father's legacy on the anniversary of the famous i have a dream speech. until then, i am ayman unclipped hot mohyeldin in new york, have a good night.

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