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here. stick around to see meaningful space speak mode to learn everything you need to know about the artemis 1 launch. then, for decades, the antiabortion movement had most of us convinced we were living in a so-called pro-life country. let's just marketing. a fall, overall americans are learning the truth about abortion. spoiler, alert abortion rights are popular. how we got to where we are and what it means for this year's elections, ahead. velshi starts now. good morning, it is sunday august 29th. i am ali velshi. for about a full year after donald trump left the white house, 184 unique classified documents totaling more than 700 pages of valuable intelligence reflectivity u.s. government was sitting at his palm beach resort in mar-a-lago. that batch was recovered in january of this year. since, then the national archives in the justice department have received even

more classified material from trump this state. including, during a search of mar-a-lago three weeks ago. some of those documents include information about some of the country's most closely guarded secrets. of those original 184 classified documents, 25 were marked top secret. 92 were marked secret. 67 confidential. they also bore various other classifications, including or con. short for originator control. we knew that the agency that issued the report had to approve specifically who was allowed to see it. others were flag is information that cannot be shared with foreign enemies. most notably there were documents in mar-a-lago notched h c asked which stands for human intelligence control systems. that is highly sensitive information gathered by human sources. working for the u.s. government in foreign countries. hcs documents could also contain information, including

spies in albany foreign government officials and collaborators. which in the wrong hands could get those humans killed. there is no, world absolutely no circumstance, under which mar-a-lago is a place that's documents from her ban. it's website tests they resort and it's quote venues as perfect for large gala's, weddings, bat mitzvahs. for an incredible cocktail party on duty stars, poolside. according to abc news, the resort hosted fashion shows, political fundraisers, and trump's private business dealings just in the first half of this year. before the justice department chief of counterintelligence jay brad visited it in june. after that, visit brett says trump's lawyers a letter in which he explicitly told them, quote, mar-a-lago does not include a secure location authorized for the storage of classified information. and quote. yet the twice impeached insurrectionist ex president continued to hold onto classified records. the fbi search of mar-a-lago in

early august turned up at least some documents marked tc ts sihai. a top level of security and classification that former longtime doj official andrew weissmann recently described in an op-ed as, quote, the crown jewel of the national security community. now, the intelligence community will review the potential harm that trump's improper handling and storage of these materials may have created. yesterday we found out that admiral hayes, the director of national intelligence or dni has told tropical makers in the house oversight and house intelligence committee that her office will leave, quote, an assessment of the potential risk to national security that would result from the disclosure of relevant documents. the office of the dni will review what types of information and white human sources could be compromised, if those documents had fallen into the wrong hands. but how will the agency actually conduct that investigation? and it will result in

consequences or changes to the system? and will the results of that review ever become public knowledge? i am joined now a pulitzer prize-winning investigative journalist david roe, who is the -- editor of new york where the commented msnbc contributor. deep the fbi the cia in the truth about america's deep state. also joining us is one of the best source journalist comes to matters of national security, charlie savage. pulitzer prize-winning washington correspondent for the new york times. also msnbc contributor. welcome to both of you. thank you for being. here dave, let me start with you. everything we just talked about, admiral hayes, odni, investigating the potential dangers. none of this is about whether donald trump did anything without information. it is the idea that very important information was insecure, meaning, something could happen. that could range from donald trump doing something nefarious without like selling or trading it or something. and it could mean somebody just

coming across it. how will the director of national intelligence's office make any of these determinations? office make any of th>> i think there n extensive review of all. you talk about the human sources. did any of them subsequently received threats during this period? it is a very dangerous situation. these are people who risk their lives to help the united states. you are talking about, possibly, resources in russia or china. and other, regimes frankly, that could quickly kill one of the sources. it is a very fraught situation for the intelligence community. and it, matters legally, also. one of the key things if you were to prosecute trump for mishandling classified documents, it is, you want a legal standard. you violated the law. prosecutors have to show them. but former justice artificials have told me that to have an emotional and clear narrative for maturity. and you need to show that

keeping these documents in his basement caused actual harm. so if avril haines and his review finds the source is compromised, or signals intelligence as -- was discovered, that is a critical part of convincing the jury to prosecute. i'm, sorry to convict trump. otherwise he will, say i sat in my basement. his defense lawyers would say there is no real harm here. it is critical on multiple levels with the intelligence community finds. >> charlie, you tweeted in response to this, normally this would be a damage assessment, which they knew after a leak to the public or theft by i spy. but it is clear that the classified information was compromised. this is a risk assessment because it is unknown if any bad actor got to the docks or they just sat there and secure but on the lasted. i understand that the conversation between the two, may, as david just said, bear on what gets done with donald trump and what merrick garland does.

but to tell me about this distinction other than how they find it. what's the distinction between the risk and the damage? >> the damage, you know that classified information has been compromised, leaked or stolen. even though it was leaked to the public, looking at education you know that adversaries can join a state or two. that means that in the human sources are what we have talked about yet surveillance, technological sources, we've broken in this email or caught up on a cell phone of this aid to some foreign leader is gone. we are still getting information from those sources probably deliberate misinformation and we have to just take that down or get those people out or come up with some other way of doing whatever the thing is that is now revealed. a risk assessment is, well, we don't know if it has happened or not. one of the things that put over us here, and certainly pay attention to those things and make sure that nothing as a

change. i disagree with david a little bit that there is a needs to show damage here. so the law is that the justice department is using, which were listed in a search warrant which came out two weeks ago. they do not require there to be damage to the national security. two of them are just about mishandling, concealing, government records. whether or not they were classified is just basically possession of theft of stolen property or concealing records to obstruction official effort like the official efforts to return these documents to where they needed to be. and the last one, the espionage act, has provisions -- were tension of dangerous information that could be used to help a foreign adversary in the united states. does not need to have actually done so to be the standards of that law. >> not a david needs my defense on this one, but part of the problem is a history of donald trump. the idea that we know he is closing up to kim jong-un at

some point. we know that he is very cozy with the saudis. we know that he continues to heap praise on vladimir putin. so in the case of prior presidents, if such a thing has happened in his never ever happen, such a thing happened there would not have been a track record of a guy who may have been cozy with america's adversaries. this does complicate the mueller. >> it does. and that is the key thing here. when i was talking about is convincing a jury to convict. but charlie is right. under those two laws, he has broken those laws. it's just a question whether trump can mount a credible defense. and this gets back to the polarized views of donald trump. he could be working. there is still fear among some americans that he could look with some of these regimes. work with russia. his supporters absolutely deny. that republicans say that there

is this fear of trump and exaggeration of trump. but i guess his broadest point here is that no president, whatever his motivations, are selfish and their minds are not gonna give them back and within years actually collecting this intelligence to somehow share it with others. no president has ever done anything even remotely close to this. to keep these documents in their basement. it is astonishing that these are the rules of american intelligence. it is astonishingly reckless. incredibly poor judgment. and there are some republicans who are already, i, think this is where this hurts them politically. more of the trump drama, more of the trump craziness. and i think that moderate republicans and independents are tired of this. >> you know, charlie, you've given me a thread here that i want to pull on a little bit. once odni does this investigation, davis talking but convincing the jury but is there anything that the director of national intelligence can find about whether there was damage,

meaning, something was -- somebody with. certain maybe somebody is dead, maybe we've lost the source the foreign government. i think about all the intelligence that we had about russia and ukraine. most of which, the overwhelming amount of which, has been true and has helped ukraine sustain itself for six months. if any of that is learned, can any jury hear that information? while the public ever hear that information? because americans should know if their former president, who might run for office again, compromise national security. that should actually be known. it sounds to me like from the two who tell me, we cannot know any of this. >> i certainly think that the odni will brief members of congress about their findings, at least at the top line level. you could see something like, we think a source was compromised, without saying who that source was or where, making its way to capitol hill and then making its way to the public.

understanding of things. there is that. i do think that if there were ever, spinning out speculations, here but there have been a number of trials in the last 20 years involving breaches of restrictive information. primarily lakers. right? and a big part of those trials has always been what is going to happen to classified information that would need to be discussed to make the case to a jury. the defense might, say we need to expose all this to have a fix in the government will say no, we have what matters most. there is an entire, law cepa, which governs this. it resulted in a lot of back and forth before the trial begins, about whether certain matters can be substituted. you can, say this is good enough to tell the jury what it was about. this thing without saying what it was exactly. there is a whole system for doing that which allows, in some cases, legal cases

involving restricted information to go forward without exposing everything. but it is always a problem. sun has cases do not get prosecuted because military our intelligence agencies are unwilling to lift the veil of secrecy at all in the matter. and would rather just the case go on, then risk anything more. >> i get. it i get why that would be the case. why you can't keep on releasing information that should not be in the public. but, boy if this did happen, and we are speculating. we're not speculate the documents were on the wrong, place we're only speculating that something may happen with a stalking mr. candidature national security. but if the, happens, somehow the american people need to understand that while. guys, thanks very much for helping us through this, we appreciate you down the road. executive head of -- a new yorker.com. charlie savage is the washington correspondent for the new york times. both for msnbc contributors. coming up next on velshi, we are going live to crying with reports of over six months into russia's war.

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largest nuclear power plant was again caught in the crosshairs of renewed shelling on friday. threatening nuclear disaster. ukrainian authorities stepped up emergency drills on sunday and began distributing iodine pills as a precaution to tens of thousands of residents living within 35 miles of the zaporizhzhia nuclear plant.

the pills offer limited protection against mediation in the event of a leak. a planned trip by the united nations take their watchdog with plans to dispatch a team of inspectors earlier next week took on a heightened sense of urgency following the shelling. ukrainian president vladimir zelenskyy, on friday urge their inspectors to arrive as soon as possible. saying that the world narrowly avoided a nuclear disaster after electricity to the plant was cut off for several hours a day, earlier, because the russian shelling. that is a claim that russia denies. at this point, as russian president vladimir student ordered a sharp increase in the size of russia's military, the latest indication is that putin has no plans to scale back his unprovoked war which is now in its seventh month. with us to discuss the ongoing crisis is nbc's megan fitzgerald on the ground with us in odessa, ukraine. thanks for being with us this afternoon, your time. what is the latest update? >> now, this zaporizhzhia

nuclear power plant has always been seen as a crisis ever since the russians took over in march. according to the ukrainians and have become increasingly more dire over the last several months. as you mentioned, the international atomic energy and -- say they will have a team that goes inside that facility in the coming days. look, it hasn't stopped the shelling from taking place. overnight, over the weekend, we have seen more shelling around and at the nuclear plants. the russians blaming the ukrainians that ukrainians blaming the russians here. what we saw at the end of last week was even more concerning, because of the shelling -- a fire broke out at the plant which knocked to pan off line, off of its power grid. forcing it to operate on these backup generators that run on diesel fuel. the concern here is there is no way of knowing how much diesel fuel the russians have left in the event that this happens again. as you said, the ukrainians are not taking any chances. they have passed down around iodine pills to the surrounding

areas. have not told people yet to take them but out of an abundance of caution because the ukrainians believe there is a imminent threat that we could be looking at. and international crisis where we are looking at this radioactive material slipping out of this plant, because of the winds not only impact in the area there but going throughout ukraine and into europe because of the strong winds. all of this, as you said while putin signed a decree wanting to increases military by 10%. wanting to have upwards of 140,000 more military members. it is unclear how he will do this. will there be a draft? how will he get to this number? military experts certainly say that it suggests putin is gearing up for a long war. i'll. >> megan, thank you for your reporting. we appreciate that. megan fitzgerald is live for us in odessa, ukraine. coming up on velshi, there will be, quote, some pain. message from federal reserve chair powell from unusually strong remarks on friday.

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past week we received a stark warning from federal reserve chair, jerome powell. on friday he delivered a decisive announcement, a departure from his usual balanced approach. he made clear that there will be some economic pain in the weeks, months, and possibly longer ahead as the fed fights back against the high profit of goods. >> while higher interest rates slower growth and soft and labor market conditions will bring down inflation they will also bring some pain to households and businesses. these are the unfortunate costs of reducing inflation. a failure to restore priced ability would mean far greater pain. >> for their part, investors did not like the message from powell. the s&p 500 which is an index that tracks the stop of the top 500 critically -- that is the index worst daily showing since mid june of this year. the nasdaq also finished the day down about 4%. the dow is up down about 3%.

this is no easy task, for the fed to lead the u.s. economy out of a global pandemic and stave off a recession while supply chains are still broken, the war in ukraine keeps oil and food prices high. interest rates have already been raised four times since march. we should probably expect yet another hike when the governor general meets next week. it could send rates to their highest level since 2008. joining me now is sheila staff heart, staff writer from new york -- she is the author of the book, black edge. inside information, dirty money, and the quest to bring down the most wanted man on wall street. sheila, good to see you. thank you for being with us. we were saying interest rates could get to the highest point since 2008. historically that is not actually that high. interest rates are not actually that high. in a tough economy with people who do not have a lot of money,, who depend on money in interest bearing accounts, these two things inflation and rising

interest rates are damaging. they are attacks. they are money you had to spend on things that you now do not have. >> they hurt people. inflation hurts workers. we also know, unfortunately, that rising interest rates also hurts workers. it usually means that unemployment is going to increase. in fact, it is a direct attempt to make unemployment go up. when that happens, it is often the more vulnerable workers who feel it first. people of color, women, black women in particular! that is not great. as you pointed out, inflation hurts workers to. it makes it hard to pay for gasoline, things for your kids, groceries, housing costs. all of that has been causing a lot of stress on family. we are in a really weird situation now! there are a lot of warnings about a recession, by some measures we are technically already in one.

we had two quarters of gdp decline. it doesn't feel like a recession yet. unemployment market is still really strong. people still feel like they have a lot of money in their pocket, but it is not going as far. the fed has a really difficult choice. there is no great option right now. >> if you are in a real recession, everybody feels it, then you can give the set permission to do with a need to do. usually that means cutting interest rates once we are there. in a recession beside cuts rates to stimulate economy. but an inflationary environment they raise rates to slow the economy down. this becomes very puzzling. we have heard from ceos, often a good indication of recessions. some companies are slowing their hiring or having hiring freezes. none of them are saying they think a recession is in the longer term. if you're an average person with a 401k, how are you supposed to think about this? >> it is tough. it is important to pull back the camera a little bit and

look at a slightly longer timeframe. a lot of economists felt that we were somewhat due for some kind of economic cooling to happen before the pandemic even started. remember way back to 2017, the beginning of president trump's term the economy was booming and yet congress at that time cut taxes that primarily held high earners. unemployment remains low throughout his term, and then the president -- trump himself, spent a lot of time pressuring jerome powell, very openly, not to raise interest rates even though there was some fretting about inflation getting out of control and the economy was running too hot. some of this was just delayed. it should've started a long time ago. in the interim you have this really unprecedented combination of factors. pandemic, pandemic disruptions, this terrible war occurring in ukraine. droughts in many parts of the world that have caused major

food shortages. all of this has led to a really challenging situation. it requires something of a longer timeframe rather than just looking at the next few weeks. >> as you said when you pull the camera back, a bigger lens, right? most of the inflation right now is food prices, gas prices, and supply chain issues. virtually none of which are unique to america. the, france has record inflation. turkey has record inflation. >> in many cases much higher than ours. how do biden, republicans, how do they manage that? people get mad at inflation. it does contribute to the whole, throw the bums out philosophy. except these bums didn't cause these problems. >> it is important to remember that there is relatively little that a president can do to influence inflation. actually there's really not a whole lot. maybe reduced some restrictions but it is really hard to

directly impact inflation. a lot of pressure on the federal reserve. so the reason that president trump did not want powell to raise interest rate while he was president is because he knew it would have this negative effect on workers. and it might cause crashes in the stock market, which trump watch very closely. now we are in a situation where someone has to pull the band-aid off and it will inflict political pain on the biden administration, there is no question. on the other hand i think jerome powell is a student of history. he knows that prolonged period of inflation are also very dangerous. can be very dangerous to country stability. they can topple administrations. that has happened many times over history. he is going to ask everyone to just take a little bit of medicine now for the good of the country in the long term. >> she, elected to see my friend. thank you for being with us this morning. staff writer for the new yorker covering economics, wall street, and silicon valley.

climate change is not a problem for the future, as we have discussed many times on the show. it is a problem right now. here is the picture of it. look no further than lake mead, crucial to the nation's water supply drying out due to severe drought. how farmers in particular are feeling it next. but first breaking news out of pakistan according to associated press more than 1000 people have been killed since mid june because of devastating widespread floods. it is currently monsoon season there. constant heavy rain has caused flash flooding which has washed away villages in many crops. officials are calling it a, quote, serious climate catastrophe. volunteers and workers have been working there to back people to relief camps. they pakistan the senator tweeting that we are now at the moment of ground zero, frontline, of extreme weather events. athe events

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abc news -- got cohen where water levels 100 to pete below they should be. having a huge impact on the nation's food supply. scott. lake mead is the was of our foreign by the hoover dam. and it's a key part of the colorado river basin, which serves seven states. providing freshwater and spurring all kinds of economic activity. you want to know how low the water level has gotten? behind me you can see what they call the best to bring. if the lakers are at capacity it would be about 200 feet above where the lake level is now, at the top of that rain. the area where i'm standing right now not long ago was underwater. the marina behind me, they have to move it every time the lake goes down. they've had to do that multiple times each year. there is still plenty of water in the lake foreboding and the like. for farmers? that is another story. farmers who rely on this water, like an arizonian 90 k would a third generation farmer. in a good year she will be growing things like cotton,

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in the federal investigation of breonna taylor's death. on tuesday, the former louisville metro police detective kelly hannah goodwin pleaded guilty to one count of conspiring to violate taylor's civil rights, after admitting to accords that she helped falsify the affidavit that secured the search of taylor's kentucky home. a search, by the way, the defended in the police shooting

and killing of taylor in march of 2020. goodwin said she knew there was not enough factual evidence to support a search warrant, but she went along with other officers, as they told the judge today pushilin when ferns that taylor was getting packages of drugs delivered to her home, for an ex-boyfriend. didn't also admitted to trying to cover the whole thing up. for, months people protested in the streets to demand accountability and justice for breonna taylor. they cried it for a criminal investigation. they urged people around the world to say her name. but to those calls for justice largely went unanswered. until the current u.s. justice department stepped in. and opened its own civil rights investigation into taylor staff. now, to be entirely, clear former detective goodland did not pull the trigger that night. nor was she even at taylor's home. but the affidavits she admitted to helping falsify is what's set into motion the nighttime raid that ended in the police killing of an innocent black woman. goodland is the first officer to be convicted for her role in

breonna taylor's death. she faces up to five years in jail and is slated to be sentenced in november. meanwhile, three other officers are also facing federal charges for their part in the scandal. and according to the new york times, quote, miss goodland's pleas suggests that she may be cooperating with justice department prosecutors. we should take note at this moment that it may not be the most monumental thing, but it is a moment. in this nation's history, seldom have policed faced charges or jail time for the killing of black or brown people. and in this particular case, we are now seeing at least one person who will indeed serve time and possibly more. it all happened because an officer flipped on her colleagues in blue. joining me now is sonia, pruitt a retired captain in maryland's montgomery county police departments. also the founder of the black police experience. an associate professor of criminal justice at montgomery college. captain bright, good to see you. thank you for being with us this morning. we wanted to talk to about this,

because we have had an active discussion in our team about whether this is really a moments, or it is not. this particular detective, former detective, has pleaded guilty because she was going to go to jail for a long time. and, now, possibly she will go to jail for less time. isn't that a deal anybody would've taken? or is this really a big deal, their cop has turned on her fellow cops in the name of justice? >> you know, i think it is all of those things. it is a monumental moment. i am so happy for the people who walked and ran and screamed and yelled in the streets about breonna's untimely tragic murder. i remember having an interview with this happened, and i remember saying that somebody needs to take a look at the search warrant. how did this go down? are these really the details? are we relying on the search

warrants called's to the death of this young lady? daniel cameron never followed up on this. he took the investigation off to the feds. i'm sure that there must of been kentucky law that qualifies whether police lied about a search warrant or not. this is monumental. no, officers do not usually talk about officers. some of the more flippant. but in this particular case maybe she was doing this to save herself. at the same time, this is one of what is becoming several transfer officers who are being held accountable by the department of justice. >> what you just said, there this is becoming one of which is becoming several trends. and one is never a trend on its own, but we have seen in various cases, in the unjust killings of black people, something that looks like accountability. it is never justice, because not just somebody is dead. if somebody is dead, they are not coming back to life. and that would be justice if they weren't stuck in the first place. but this accountability, this little drops of accountability

across the board, starting with george floyd and ahmaud arbery and breonna taylor, did they make black lives safer in this country? are we moving that needle a little bit? >> well, we are taking some very incremental steps. but any step in that direction, i think, is in the direction of keeping people safe. that is what we are looking for ultimately. the black community, we are part of the united states. it is not just us than everybody else. so it really is important to take these moments and try to expand them. we expanded the voting, both we expand them on shows like this where we get to talk about it. we don't need to let up the pressure on. this because it really is important and people have been dying. and we want this to. stop we don't want the lesson. we want to stop. >> what is this doing on the policing front? we're not seeing over the last couple of years difficulties in

policing. lots of police quitting. police not sort of doing the policing in some cases, which they need to do. because they are either fearful or they do not want to be involved in something that escalates. here in new york again on the. subway and i see ads for trying to recruit police officers here and around the country. how displacing get better as a result? or does it? >> i think police saying, as an entity, the leadership of the officers, need to take a really hard look at themselves. because i remember again when this happened, having a discussion with officers. who is very could to choose that wheeler calls herself. and she somehow caused her own death hanging out -- and i said it was a lot deeper than that. and now i feel that we have to be justified and having those conversations. and telling them that this is not her fault. well, police say he needs to take a look at policing. because, you know, we are going to have to change from the

inside out. we can't keep sitting around and saying, oh my goodness, these things are happening and they are one-off. these are not one-off, these are friends. this is an integral part of policing. racism. it is systemic, it is institutional. and, again we need to take a really deep dive into it, and i'm calling on police leadership to start this. >> sonia, thank you for being with. us we're is appreciated. sonia pruitt is a retired captain of montgomery county police department in the founder of the black police spirits. a crucial lingering question after the fbi opened boxes of classified documents at a mar-a-lago was whether donald trump put our national security at risk by having top secret documents in his private home. now, the director of national intelligence is leading the charge to find out, by conducting a risk assessments. what this could mean for the former president of the united states, and more importantly for the safety of american soldiers, buys, troops and allies. another hour of velshi begins right now. ght now.

good, morning it is sunday august 20. eight 9 am in the, east 6 am in the. wes i'm ali velshi. ever since the fbi conducted a search of mar-a-lago in august, eight new and damning details have emerged about the twice impeached insurrectionist ex presidents reckless handling of highly sensitive documents, which contain some of this country's most closely guarded secrets. we have learned about the national archives, and the justice department to repeated requests for trump to return material that properly it belonged to the u.s. government. we have subsequently learned of trump's yearlong attempt to style stonewall those agencies from retrieving those materials. we know that 184 unique and classified documents were among the first batch of documents recovered by the national archives in january of this year. some of them included information that could compromise the identities of clandestine human sources. including, possibly, those who work as