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indictment. this is disgusting in my mind. >> in a moment i'm gonna speak to congressman raja krishnamoorthi, who was on both the oversight intelligence committee and senator from the request for foreign assessment of potential national security damage. also this hour, defining the battleground in florida. >> he is on the battlefield of hate, i am on the battlefield love. i am going to beat him, because i am running on love and love always wins. i am going to ask charlie chris just exactly how he plans to defeat rhonda sanchez with love when the governor -- i'm gonna start with the ongoing fallout from the fbi search of mar-a-lago. trump appointed district out aileen cannon giving the government until tuesday to respond to her, quote, preliminary intent to appoint its special master to review some of the documents seized from her mar-a-lago residents. however, she did make clear that it was not a final order.
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scheduling hearing on the matter for thursday. this, of course, is all coming as the office of national security announced their own review of the documents to determine potential refuse for national security. talking all of this over, and possible developments i wanna bring in washington post josh joce. josh, let's talk about to the latest developments right in tandem with one another that may very well be related at the end of the day. first you have this intelligence assessment which will be ongoing, ranks? the damage possibly done by the documents that were being held in mar-a-lago. you combine that with this possible appointment of this third party, essentially, to look over these documents. if in fact that happens this coming thursday as the judge that, she has the intent to do so. how could one hold up the other if it happens? >> the former president has repeatedly asked for someone to look through the documents. it has been a couple weeks since he made that request. it is actually quite curious
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now why would happen. i guess the judge would have to decide. what we do know from the third reading of the affidavit on friday's there was extraordinarily sensitive things that were found in the first 15 batches that were returned. again in the second batch that was taken from the former presidents club just a few weeks ago now. these are documents about human intelligence, potential sources, things that we do not want shared with foreign governments. all sorts of top secret in classified materials. they are not, as the former president visors trying to say much ado about nothing. some of the most sensitive secrets that the government holds. that is why you see that intelligent freaking to try to figure out what sort of damage could've been done by the improper handling of these documents. you know, a lot of these documents that they took -- they took thousands and thousands of pieces of paper were a mishmash of things that
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were not that sensitive, but then there were a handful -- in fact several dozen that we know about at least that were quite sensitive! >> let me read for you, josh, some of our own reporting as to what essentially the special master would actually be looking at. i want to know if you have any more information on this. saying if judge can in grants trump's request a special master will be in charge of reviewing documents were issues of privilege not the highly sensitive records at the heart of the governments investigation. what more do you know about what the special master would and would not be looking at? >> the special master could be looking at documents or between former president trump and his lawyers. things that would be executive privilege from his time at the white house. it is hard to imagine that any of the things that are essential to the government's investigation here, the dozens of top secret documents found, the classified material about special access programs.
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it would be surprised it any of those would be at this executive privilege. former president trump repeatedly tried to argue that they took too much, too many of the things. they took things they didn't need to take. they did some of that obviously with the passport but there are things that are swept up in a search. law enforcement may not necessarily need at the end of the day. most of the things that are essential to this mitigation i do not think he will end up having as a key component. >> i want to read a little bit of your reporting as well. from the washington post talking specifically about the former president's war on the national archive. some stunning stuff that you guys are saying. when the archives recovered 15 boxes from mar-a-lago on january, agency officials found a massive disorganize paper lacking any inventory. highly classified material was mixed in with newspaper could prairies, getting menus, and archives officials believe more items are still missing. what happened next was an extraordinary step for
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america's record keepers. they referred the matter to the justice department, opening a dramatic new chapter in what have been a quiet lee simmering dispute. take us inside what the national archive was actually dealing with in this moment. why it is so unprecedented and extraordinary for them to refer to this administration to the doj? >> from the final days of former president trump's time in office, over that next year the national archive officials cajoled, beaded, bag, threatened, they did everything they believed possible to try to get these boxes of documents backed. former president was not interested in returning these documents. they said they were his, he would only be -- there were so many steps taken along the way. eventually would happen is the national archives said if you don't give us these documents back, we are going to refer these matter to congress for investigatory matters there.
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the former president gave some of the documents back. why happened when they started unsealing these by oxidize and they started looking at the boxes they found that was haphazard at best. there were other things in our mesh. one thing and another. some had some sensitive, some not. nothing was inappropriate folders. there was no inventory what was in the boxes. there was almost like packers come to your house and you throw things and boxes! that is what they saw, they sought to be a pretty startling discovery. they referred to the justice department because they had all these boxes that they've been trying for so long to get back, they didn't know what was in them. when they started opening them they found a trove of things even to the people at the archives didn't have classification authority to even look at, right? it was quite a stunning development then. >> josh ducey, thank you. good to talk to. you i want to bring in now congressman raja krishnamoorthi democrat of illinois who serves both relevant committees here.
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the house committee in the committee on oversight. thank you for joining us on this. let's talk first about the odni review of the documents that were seized from mar-a-lago f the documents th i want to ret from congresswoman maloney in congressman schiff, both chairs of the committees that you serve on in reaction to this review saying this. the d.o.d. affidavits, partially unsealed yesterday, affirms our grave concern that among the documents stored at mar-a-lago where those that could endanger human sources. it is critical that the icy move swiftly to assess and, if necessary, to mitigate the damage done. a process that should proceed in parallel with the doj's criminal investigation. what could come of this review, congressman? is it likely that you will see, be privy to some of the documents that were, in fact, seized? >> i think so. i think it is very possible.
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following this review of hundreds of classified documents the director of national intelligence will likely brief us and a classified setting at the capitol to talk about what she found in what her team found. what they're doing to mitigate this damage and how to prevent it from happening again. i think that the most startling aspect of this is -- ones that do reveal information about clandestine sources. also about signals intelligence. that is the monitoring of electronic communications of our adversaries. that type of information is extremely sensitive. just so you know we never review that information anywhere except in a secure component information facility, a skiff, underneath the u.s. capitol underneath armed guards. >> with the possible appointment of a special master we are hearing now from judge aileen cannon, the decision to
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be made on thursday. are you worried if that happens it will review slow down the review process? >> no, i'm not concerned about that. i think it is possibly appropriate for the special master to safeguard any information that belongs to donald trump. others should not necessarily get a hold of her view for purposes of national security. i think the doj will be able to do its job, a special master can do their job, concurrently. >> congressman, do you expect either one of your committees to hold hearings on what it has taken place at mar-a-lago? either the timeline leading up to the seizure and or the documents that were seized? if so, do you think that would require testimony from the former president? >> it's a good question, i think with regard to a lot of these issues if we do hold any hearings they will probably be in a classified setting. i don't know if donald trump
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would be involved. certainly i think there would be at least classified briefings, if not more. >> let's switch gears for a moment here, congressman. we have so many things going on, i want to talk quickly about student loan forgiveness as well. one of your colleagues, ohio congressman tim ryan speaking out. i want to play a little bit more for you and then we will talk more on the other side. >> there are a lot of people hurting in our society right now. people are getting crushed with inflation, crushed with gas prices, food prices and all the rest. i think a targeted approach right now really does send the wrong message. there are a lot of people out there making 30 or 40 grand a year who didn't go to college and they need help as well. >> congressman, what do you make of his view on that? >> i share his concerns. i have three concerns, actually. one is we address in this particular proposal, or the
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president addressed in this proposal, student debt. we didn't address in this proposal the cost of college. i actually have legislation which will bring more information to the table. allow for more competitions that we could bring down the price of colleges, which is really important. secondly, we are not really focused as much on skills-based and vocational education. two thirds of medication americans who do not have a college degree. that is been the subject of my career. many of my constituents are concerned about that. third, for those who paid off their college debts, what are we doing for them? i think it is really important that we continue to incentifies that. i think if we don't address these concerns and we are not really addressing the whole picture. >> congressman raja krishnamoorthi thank you so much, sir. still ahead everybody, my interview with democratic congressman and cabinet -- florida government charlie
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baby would die shortly after birth. they told me that i should terminate the pregnancy because the state of louisiana's abortion ban, they could not perform the procedure. basically they said i had to carry my baby to bury my baby. >> that was nancy davis, a woman in the state of louisiana who found out ten weeks into her pregnancy that her baby had a rare birth defect called acrania, or the skull does not form inside of the womb. babies with this defect not survive past the first week. as you heard, nancy could not get the abortion the doctors recommended after the minions trigger while banning abortions went into effect. that law is not being challenged in court. nancy who has three other children is planning to travel to another state to get the procedure. for more on, this i want to bring in jenny lawson executive director of planned parenthood votes. jenny, thank you for joining us on this. in the first reaction to what
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we just heard? >> it is heartbreaking. truly, truly, devastating. unfortunately it is the case for thousands if not millions of women across the country. it is not unique. stories like this are happening in many states. 16 states have banned abortion at this point. more to come in the coming weeks. what that means is one and three women in america live in states where they do not have full bodily control over their bodies, and abortion is banned. many of those women will be facing decisions similar to our friend and louisiana. truly when people go to vote in november, the consequences have never been as stark, dire, or as real. the stakes are tremendously high. who we elected in november will determine whether there are more stories like this or whether states have access to
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abortion or not. whether we will have access to abortion because we want to ban abortion across the country as well at the federal level. >> let's talk about november, since you brought it up, and voting, right? we saw what took place in kansas. i have to say some of the numbers are pretty astounding. women registering to vote at a much higher rate than men. certainly in states where abortion rights are most at risk. what are you seeing? >> yasmin, you hit the nail on the head. folks are angry, folks are scared, they think if they can do this, what else can they do? they are responding to register to vote in record numbers. they are turning out. we have seen in special elections since the dobbs case was decided. tuesday in new york, a special election in upstate new york democrat versus republican. democrat candidate lead with abortion. abortion was a powerful issue there. we're yard signs all over the district that choice was on the
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ballot and he was. the headlines following that on wednesday and thursday have been that abortion maybe what turns this midterm around. abortion is what folks are voting for and thinking about when they go to the ballot box. it is so scary and frightening right now what is going on. you are seeing responses. i don't know if you saw it -- arizona republican senate candidate blake masters, immediately this week started scrubbing his website of all his previous rhetoric. it is a sign that voters are responding. our opposition is scared. >> when the leak happened, i saw other folks out of scotus davis asking how you're gonna maintain this energy? this momentum all the way till november? the only way to create effective changes through voting. when roe was overturned i asked the same question, and i'll ask you the same question. now we have three months or so to go. two and a half months -- what is planned parenthood doing to maintain that momentum
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to drive votes? >> absolutely, planned parenthood is launching its biggest electoral program ever with our political advocacy organizations. $50 million invested in making sure that voters know exactly who is on their side and exactly who isn't. we need to deliver champions for our reproductive rights and freedoms. up and down the ballot in every state. we are dedicated to communicating about that. it is abundantly clear that they're going to try to hide their true intentions. they are going to screw out their websites and try to change their tune because they know their position is unpopular. it is essential that planned parenthood, political advocacy organizations and our allies and the candidates make it very clear through canvassing, phone banks, through advertising through mailers that abortion rights are on the line. who is on their side and who isn't? >> johnny lawson, from planned parenthood both. thank you so much. good to talk to you. after the break, everybody signs of some cracks in
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are talking about this rather than the economy or inflation or even this student loan program? i understand he turned over a lot of documents, and he should've turned over all of them. i imagine he knows that very well now as well. >> all right, let's get into this. gop strategist and cofounder of the lincoln project, rick wilson. rick, good to talk to you. listen, you have stephen miller, peter navarro, still standing by trump. not standing -- next mulvaney as well i want to read via tweet he put out there. they classified documents for mar-a-lago turnout to be from crossfire hurricane, the 2016 russia hoax in parentheses and they exonerate trump, what happens next? that is after nikki movie saying all, it's just documents? by the way, what else would it be? it's just documents, highly classified ones at that. possibly leaving vulnerable assets overseas. that being said, what do you make of this? >> look, i think there is one thing we are witnessing here. ali washington has played this game with america since 2015.
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when trump came out in 2015 they said, people who weren't captured. he insulted john mccain. we heard the access hollywood tape. elite washington has a very convenient game where they back away slowly and they say to reporters especially, i don't believe it. i can't get behind this. then when they realize that trump still controls 35% of the republican base with an absolute iron grip, they will then drift back and say, but, it's obviously the fbi's fault. they will make excuses. this is a game that washington plays. they tried it can vince reporters there in on the gag and how terrible trump is. the reality is they will always go back into the kneeling position in front of donald trump when he snaps the whip in exercises his power over the base of the party, which is still uncontested by any of the republican leader in the country. >> i wonder though, rick, if we
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look ahead to the midterms if for instance it turns out that the former president doesn't have as much power and as we think he did. the races are not necessarily going in the favor as -- if they would subsequently drop him. >> the only thing that matters to him is his power in the primary which has been basically absolute. a lot of people, mitch mcconnell wanted to have run in the u.s. senate races this year were not on the bow because donald trump came in and made that decision. the irony of this, as smart as mitch mcconnell is as a political operator he still got rolled by donald trump. his people, mitch believed they could have a governing majority using trump's voters. tricking them into voting for their candidate, they can't. they did not achieve that this year. you have the weird mutant parade of doctor oz, blake masters, all of these kooks running on the republican senate ballot. this is why they have had such a hard time claiming the red
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wave is going to sweep these marginal candidates and office this year. what will happen, ironically, is when they lose trump will say to his base, mitch mcconnell didn't support played masters. mitch mcconnell wasn't beyond doctor oz. he didn't get behind j.d. vance. he will say that and they will accept it as gospel truth. once again -- he will continue to have his hold over the party. there were nothing they like more than feeling aggrieved. this will give them a sense of tremendous aggrievement. >> i want to read you somewhat much fischer wrote in the washington post. saying adequate might be heading to a civil war. many americans believe in violence of war is coming. those by affidavit violent prevention program saying they expected civil war in the next few years. another poll in american service senate from hurricane live a nonpartisan program affiliate where the american enterprise institute found more than a third of americans agreed that the traditional american way of life is disappearing so fast that we
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may have to use force to save it. what do you make of this? >> the biggest fall anyone in america can have from 2015 on is not imagining that the worst can happen. the worst can happen. the worst has happened. no one before 2015 would've said, a president will not accept the results of election and will launch a violent attack on the u.s. capitol. there was a failure of imagination. there has been one over and over again when it comes to both trump and to the authoritarian movement that he has spawned and supported in fostered and push. the idea that we cannot end up in a civil war, it is absurd. we certainly can! the great writer william gibson once and the future is here, it is just not evenly distributed yet. we have a civil war that is not evenly distributed yet. we have one coming faster than me can imagine if we do not take steps to perfect this democracy. >> rick wilson, tell us what
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nasa is set to return to the mean for the first time in 50 years. on monday morning, nasa's artemis mission is gonna launch a rocket from the kennedy space center in florida. the unmanned spacecraft will travel around the mood before returning back to earth. the flight, years in the making by the way, will serve as a test run for humans. looking to put the first woman and another man back on the moon in 2025. msnbc's lindsey reiser is joining us now from -- with the details. lindsay, our resident expert on! space who knew? [laughs] >> who do i have to think for.
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that >> walk us through the details of? this >> yasmin, the goals here in addition to getting a man women back on the moon are to build a lunar base camp on the south pole. gateway, which is a spaceship in orbit. this is a big test along the way. let's go ahead and take a look at what we are going to see. the rocket weighs nearly 6 million pounds. it stands 32 stories tall. the boosters generate more thrust, each one, then 14 commercial jumbo airliners. the engines gobble up enough propellant drain a swimming pool in a minute. in an hour and a half after launch orion's been on a lunar trajectory. it will go into distant retrograde around the moon. it will travel nearly 1000 times farther than the distance between the international space station and earth. the return is really a big test to. a test for the heat shield and its ability to protect ryan from nearly 5000 degrees fahrenheit. we are going to see two initial
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pair shoots deploy. in less than 20 minutes iran is gonna go from mock 32 to 0. >> i also know nasa will be testing some of the hazardous conditions making sure they are okay for humans? >> absolutely! let's talk about that. it is one thing to get in on crude mission into space. it is another thing to bring humans board. eventually, as we talked about, we want to get humans back on the moon and eventually to mars! on this uncouth mission there will be some mannequins. they will be in the backseat. they are strapped with radiation vests. they will be another man again in the front wearing sensors to measure radiation and vibration. when we talk about the hazards right now that humans add layers of complexity -- radiation, for example. those vests are going to hell. right now humans on the international space station experience about ten times radiation than we do here in earth. in deep space it is even more.
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isolation in confinement. you can train somebody but you can't really train them to experience the. remember, this is not a go around and resupply. a trip to mars it's going to be at least three years! we talk about lack of gravity on mars, humans will be experienced 38 of the gravitational pill that we experience here on earth. also the track, six months of complete weightlessness. what effect that have on the human body? the hostile enclosed environments. the constant recycling, ask, one of their material. even their waist. this is the orbit here for ryan. when i talk about the human hazards eventually these are the things that we need to be able to surpass in order to really usher in the next base era. >> would you go on a tourist flight to space? >> i get not just on the! plane [laughs] i don't know that they want me on there. >> our residents expert gets nauseous on a plane [laughs] lindsey reiser. >> i do a quick zip around the newsroom and that's the, that's great. >> thank you so! much charlie crist joining me
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like new zealand have elected their first female leaders there is one notable nation, most powerful and influential one around the world. we'll new book electable why america hasn't put a woman in the white house yet by our very own capitol hill correspondent ali vitale examines the historic role women have taken in running for president but yet be able to win the white house. olivia talley joins me now hi ali great to talk to you. thanks for joining us on this sunday. i am so pumped for you! i said it before on air, i'm gonna say it again, i'm gonna keep saying. it i am so excited for you getting this book out there! it is so huge. economists are big and then go small because i wanna get some nuggets in from your book. you have some really interesting book. from the reporting let's start with, what you learned with how this country deemed who is presidential based on gender. >> well yasmin, i saw you got your copy. i was so excited when i saw you
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post about it. all of us lived through the 2020 election cycle. reporting on, it being out in the field. that is what reporters were trying to adjudicate. that is not new for 2020. when they did have that was new were six women running in the field are democrats who are giving them multiple options. if they wanted to vote for a female candidate there were progressives, there were moderates, they were blonde, brunette! that was something one of the women that i talked to in the book a democratic pollster speaks about as someone who has been in this fight for gianna representation in politics for decades. once he tells me is, lowest dismaying about the 2020 field is even with all the different ways to run as a female candidate, also many democratic voters elevated joe biden as the nominee of the party. >> i also want to talk about your chapter on hillary clinton. chapter 12 i believe it was. in it you talk about the uphill battle that she had, right? the lone woman. the balance that she had to strike, her campaign really had
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to strike with her. saying, in the 2008 cycle clinton was the loon woman on the field of barack obama, joe biden, john edwards, bill richardson, figuring out years earlier elizabeth dole had. what her campaign placed a premium on was iran that showcase masculine leadership metrics. but the campaign struggled over how to meet masculine ideals of presidential leadership in an authentic way that also allowed hillary to showcase a water range of emotions and softness. and there is already something wrong ali with something having this stress with masculine leadership, right? defeating leadership through a man's eyes. g leadership through a man's eyes >> then again, that's what we do in this country. especially, and i ask readers to do this, close your eyes and imagine a president. the person you are probably envisioning is male, because that's all we've seen before in this country. for hillary clinton, she's a fascinating figure in this
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endeavor for so many reasons. but when you charred her 2008 campaign in comparison to her 2016 campaign, the way that she ran and the strategy that they employed around gender was really completely different in 2008, trying to fit in that hyper masculine box. then in 2016, being able to turn these things, things like nasty woman into a rallying cry. that's really a sign of not just hillary clinton's evolution in the political space, but where country was from a social and cultural level. it was built upon by her time in the state department from the text from hillary's blocks, that moment to be powerful and female became iconic, the world feminist became celebrated over the course of the intervening years between her 2008 run in her 2016 presidential run, and that landscape catching up for where hillary clinton's, it's really fascinating and important as more women in the future start to vibe for this office because yasmin, when i'm
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confident about is that both parties now have built a pipeline that is sufficient enough with women from both sides and that's the key to progress. >> you write about the importance about the president choosing kamala harris as vice president. how you say specifically you often wonder if we could've ever seen the steps toward progress from anyone other than an older white male politician, joe biden's generation, i'm wondering, ali vitali, if you think we're going to see a female president emerge first from the democratic or republican party? >> it's a really fascinating question, when they pose to the experts and candidates themselves and hillary clinton is one of the people who perhaps surprisingly for readers told me that she thinks that a conservative woman could be first. she very quickly added to me that that is not what she wants to see happen, but at the same
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time, history tells us that women on the conservative side of the spectrum has risen first to these top positions. it wasn't -- it wouldn't be surprising to see that. look no further than a convict tape -- conversation that you and i have been having around liz cheney, who is clearly thinking about ways that she could be in this presidential space both to block donald trump from being in it, but also for herself. i think this is a conversation that republicans and democrats alike are going to be having just by the fact that 2024 still very much governed by two older white men at the top like joe biden and donald trump. >> ali vitali, congratulations, my friend. i adore you. so happy for you. the book is over the right shoulder. thank you, ali. good to talk to. still ahead, the man who wants to topple ron desantis, charlie crist joins me next to lay out how he wants to do it. we'll be right back. how he wants to do it. we'll be right back. we'll be right back. it's the all-new subway series menu. twelve irresistible new subs. the most epic sandwich roster ever created.
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that his lockdowns did not cause any permanent damage to any pockets. i know he says he's going to retire, but someone needs to grab that little elf and chuck him across -- >> he is on the battlefield of hate. i am on the battlefield of love. i'm going to beat him because i'm running on the love and love always wins. >> so charlie crist playing
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painting the gordon florida governor's race painting it as hate -- a new poll out has chris former publican governor turned democrat trailing by five points. charlie crist is joining me now. thank you for joining us on this sunday afternoon. i want to play for you the response governor desantis had on fox news to your declaration he want to lead this campaign with. >> we've got so much support in florida, and it's not because people have hate in their hearts. they're thankful we saved their jobs. mothers are thankful we kept their kids and school. you have senior citizens who are thankful we provided medication for. i think you really put his foot in his mouth. >> the reaction, sir? >> he forgot to mention that 80,000 of my fellow floridians are dead. over 6 million of my fellow
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floridians got the pandemic. that is not a very good record to run on in my humble opinion. would i think we do need is a governor that has more empathy and more concerned and listens to scientists and does not mock them the way he did dr. fauci, i mean what is that? the guy acts like a bully all the time. he even did it to children who were to press conferences it gives they were wearing a mask trying to protect their own health and the health of others i've never seen anything like it and talk about women he doesn't seem to have any respect for women certainly not the right to choose and make their own decisions about their body. i have pledged that the first day of the crist administration i will sign an executive order to protect a woman's right to choose statewide. it's essential. and he also goes after african-american voters. it makes it harder for them to vote by not having dropped boxes in minority communities throughout the state. or my senior citizen, father
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and mother, and he's making it harder to utilize mail-in voting. he says he is protecting seniors, he's doing exactly the opposite. i don't know what's world he's living in, but i live in florida. i know that florida supposed to be the sunshine state. but under desantis it's been pretty dark for four years now. floridians deserve better. it deserve a governor who cares about them instead of caring about his own political future and running for president of the united states for 2024. that is when he's locked in on and that was ceased focused about. he's not focused on the lack of affordability in my state anymore. if you're a millionaire or a billionaire in florida you're probably doing okay. my goodness, most of us aren't. so buying a house in florida is through the roof even renting an apartment is through the roof. it's outrageous. forbes magazine said were the most expensive state to live in now thanks to ron. more than california or new york. >> congressman, let's get into
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some of the issues here. he gave you response to the current governor there in florida. i want to talk about specifically abortion rights and what you just addressed. we've got recent poll numbers coming out of florida after 15 weeks in your state. 57% of constituents in your state disapproving of the overturning of roe versus 31%. that miami herald criticizing your position recently on abortion rights, because you have not necessarily been clear as they put it and they write this, -- he said he would fight for pro-life legislative efforts, but recently chris told the editorial board that he has a broader meeting for the term pro-life and supports reproductive rights. can you clarify where you stand on this, sir? >> yeah. it's very simple and crystal clear. i'm the only candidate left in this race. it's down to dissent this and myself obviously and i, as a republican governor already vetoed an anti-abortion bill.
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as a member of congress now for almost six years i have 100% rating by planned parenthood. 100% rating. women will not find a stronger defender of your right to choose than charlie chris. hands down. full stop. >> do you believe -- >> he wants to expand it. >> do you believe your states should go back to 24 weeks since roe? i >> think the real question here, yes i like roll, i can't believe the supreme court turned it over. we've got to fix that. it's left to governors. or future governors to make that decision for states all across our country? as i.c.e. told you, the first day of the crist administration i will sign an executive order protecting women's rights to choose. it's that paramount and important. that's all we have to be focused on and that's why i'm laser focused on in this campaign. that and treating people with decency instead of be reading children that are standing behind them in a press
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conference, making sure that our teachers get with they deserve and are well paid so we get a great education in the sunshine state. so they can live their dreams. like my father was able to do. he was the son, and the grandson of the greek and leapt lebanese immigrant. he ended up being a family doctor for 55 years in my home of st. petersburg. that's the american dream to be able to do these things and it starts with education and there's no question about it. even the where the third largest state in the country, we pay our teachers and have 50 states 48. it's embarrassing. it's shocking. but that is where his focus is. that's where my focus has always been. >> you mentioned teachers and education as well, picking carl hernandez as a teachers union as your running mate, given the controversies of the don't say gay bill in your state following up by the restrictions on teaching about race and schools, governor desantis has been an advocate of. can we safely assume we're going to be focusing on education in schools during
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your campaign? >> 100%. no question about it. a woman's right to choose and improving our education system are front and center. along with the affordability issue or lack of affordability issue. when my federal -- fellow floridians. i think it's fundamentally important as a kid who grew up with the public school myself. graduated from florida state university, one of the great universities in florida. in addition, to my three sisters with public school teachers. my father when mentioned previously, mark, was not only a family doctor, he was the chairman of the county school board in my home. it's in my dna, yasmin, to do everything we can to improve education. make sure that we teach and schools are facts. i don't know what's being taught in school by governor desantis, but you teach facts. there's an old impression expression as well that those who don't know history may be condemned to repeat it. usually the people are talking about holocaust in that context,
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just as easily could be referring to slavery and not teach with the facts are, and we're in american history, it is that? hat head in the sand education? that's an appropriate. it's not what floridians deserve. >> congressman, i want to get one more in. i don't mean to cut you off, that i want to get one more in, because we talked about the don't say gay bill. we talk a little bit about the revolution when it comes to lgbtq rights. i think it's important that we do discuss it briefly annie. when you're republican back in 2005, you signed into proclamation supporting a ban on same sex marriages. we also supported -- same-sex adoption as governor. what do you say to those folks that don't necessarily believe you have a commitment to lgbtq rights? >> i have 1000% commit until duty curates. 100%. because what is so fundamentally important in this race, and i looted to it earlier, were all children of god. who are we as a government to tell anyone who wishes they
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should love and desantis wants to do that, because he be writes lgbtq students in schools. that is inappropriate. that's not doing on to others. i wear these hillary spends every day. all it says is practice the golden rule every day. i do want to others as you would have done on to you. that is how i feel. desantis wants to put upon others instead of letting them make their own decisions about their life, their health care, and the right to choose as women. >> congressman, congressman, around the time. i hope you come back read a time. we hope you come back between now and november. i appreciate the conversation. thank you, sir. that wraps up for me, everybody. i'm yasmin, will you back next saturday sunday at 10 am eastern. simone starts now. >> greetings, you are watching simone. a judge in florida is going to make an important decision about a request from former president trump about a classified document in the mar-a-lago estate. appointing a special master could mean to the high stakes instat
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