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that is it for this weekend. i am alyssa bin and -- violent as. i will see her next weekend. violent as i will see her next weekend. >> hello, alicia. thank you so much and have a good rest of your sunday night. tonight on the mid he hasn't show, the gop has prided itself on being the national security -- but what about the national security threat that is donald trump? retired senior cia official
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douglas -- how hard it was to get classified documents away from trump when he was in office. plus, the gen z whisper joins us -- he says the key to pulling off a blue wave, not a red one, is young voters. and speaking of gen z, 25-year-old maxwell alejandro -- could make history this fall. i'll ask him what his plans are if he is elected to congress from a safe blue seed in florida. good evening, i'm mehdi has on. it has become increasingly clear if it wasn't before, that one of the 45 men in american history who have said in the oval office, who descended to the highest office in the land, donald j trump, posed a threat or national security while in office and continues to pose one now, even after office. just think about the enormity of that statement. think about the fact that trump is a former republican
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president. because in this country, for decades now, democratic presidents and presidential candidates have been often successfully portrayed by the gop as threats to national security, and they have therefore been very defensive on the subject of defense. think of jimmy carter in the late 70s. he was branded forever as weak on foreign affairs, you have the botched mission to rescue iranian hostages in the soviet invasion of afghanistan on his watch. michael dukakis, candidate for president was so keen -- from national security, that he of course infamously engaged in this rather ill-advised -- in 1988. in 1992, there was a frenzy of a bill clinton's alleged draft dodging an anti-vietnam war stats, he was even accused by some being an agent of influence for the kgb. and of course, how can we forget barack obama, endlessly and falsely accused of going on apology tours and accused of not being a real american. but then down his escalator
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came donald trump to launch his 2016 run for president. he used the hillary clinton email controversy to make all the right noises about the importance of correctly handling classified material listen to trump two months before the election in september 2016. >> we can have someone in the oval office who doesn't understand the meaning of the word confidential or classified. >> wilder than future commander-in-chief may not have been talking about himself six years ago, he has been so apparently abysmal since across the board and his handling since secured -- there isn't even a -- there is a wikipedia page devoted to that specific topic. it was a time a paying member of mar-a-lago -- reviewing documents about a north korean missile test, which he then posted to facebook. it has since been deleted. how about when trump just happened to tell the russian foreign minister during an oval
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office visit about highly classified information of isis, or that time trump tried to use u.s. military to extort the ukrainian president into investigating joe biden? that of course led to trump's first impeachment. i could go on and on. what's that saying about fool me once, shame on, you fool me one, two, 300 documents taken to mar-a-lago later, shame on the entire -- >> can we be confident that he will not continue to try to cheat in that very election. can we be confident that americans and not foreign powers will get to decide and that the president will shun any further foreign interference in our democratic affairs? and the short, plain, sad, incontestable answer is no you cannot. you cannot trust this president to do the right thing not for one minute not for one election, not for the sake of our country. you just cannot.
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he will not change and you know it. >> democratic congressman adam schiff warned us two and a half years ago in his closing argument of trump's first impeachment trial in the senate that trump had abused his power and that he would continue to abuse his power if senate republicans failed to stand up to the then president. adam schiff was right, it has happened again and again, on friday we learned from the fbi's mar-a-lago affidavit that u.s. intelligence officials feared the trump files put spies at risk because the search of the former presidents home was spurred by the discovery that he had kept classified material related to the use of human sources and intelligence gathering. these are no longer just pieces of memorabilia or press cuttings as trump's middle son eric tried to claim on the night the story broke. these are people. the human beings that the u.s. national intelligence operation depends on us to keep us safe.
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the director of national intelligence, admiral haynes, told congress on friday she's conducting a damage assessment on the risks to national security of the documents taken from trump's home that were not supposed to be there so in the wake of this most recent disclosure, actually the same republicans decided to let trump get away with being held to account back when he used our national security trying to dig dirt on the bidens. they're not still protecting him, are they? >> they should be very careful with classified documents. i'm incredibly careful. i was wondering if i was listening to that discussion if the same things were said when secretary clinton had documents when director comey had documents. >> you're not answering the question. you were critical of the senator. he turned over which she had turned over -- when we have here is a situation where the president did not turn over these documents. can you say whether that was right or wrong? >> he should have turned the documents over, and apparently he had turned the documents --
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a number of documents over. >> a number of documents. he turned over a number of documents. just a little bit pregnant? it's all or nothing, senator blunt. reminded that only ten republicans in the house voted to impeach trump and of those ten, only two made it past their primaries. republican congressman adam kinzinger chose instead to retire. here's what he had to say this morning. take a listen. >> the hypocrisy of folks in my party that spent years chanting lock her up about hillary clinton because of some deleted emails are quote unquote wiping a server, are now out there defending a man who very clearly did not take the national security of the united states to heart, and it will be up to doj whether or not that reaches the level of indictment. this is disgusting in my mind. >> it is disgusting, that all the republicans who spent years attacking democrats as soft on national security won't accept those in the gop who cannot be
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counted on two hands. are willing to toss away the years of hard work with the assets of u.s. intelligence, apparently conveying -- put aside the brazen hypocrisy for a moment, and just consider this. it is the modern gop really prepared to risk the identities of american spies possibly being exposed? prepare to risk the lives of human informants around the world, possibly being lost? prepared to continue endangering our national security, and even the reputation of one's beloved security agencies on the right. just to protect a twice impeached disgrace former president and former reality tv star. really? douglas london is the author of the book the recruiter, spying and the lost art of american intelligence. he was a cia chief -- southwest asia from 2016 to 2018 and is now retired from the agency. he's an adjunct associate professor at georgetown university. he joins me now. douglas, thank you so much for coming on the show.
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i want to start by asking you has the former president in your view put peoples lives at risk with these documents at mar-a-lago? >> there is a -- classified information for reason. the controls on those documents are meant to protect the weight is collected, more than the information itself, and clearly from the affidavit we've seen released, it was -- information from human sources. that means that the clues that might be in the intelligence or classify pieces of information that the president took with him to mar-a-lago provide clues and pointers that adversaries might use to identify the means of that information getting out. it's serious business. but really we don't even know how the depth of it -- we've talked a lot and heard a lot about the searing formation but we don't know with the names of those programs were because they were so sensitive. the names themselves are classified. we'll have to see --
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>> you've spoken before, douglas about the difficulties involved in the intelligence community briefing the than president donald trump. you had briefly gone there to do the briefings. what was that like, would you say, wouldn't he trying to? >> intelligence reporting tends to be very clinical. it's like technical information. there's not a lot of humor or color before we wanted to be very straightforward and easy to understand. you have to make adjustments with the style of your consumer. president trump was hard to support. his attention was hard to secure and maintain we had finding ourselves using a lot of graphics and images just to get his attention. things that were sort of catchy, maybe kind of conforming a bit more to it he would appreciate, sort of the headlining approach. and when he did get enthusiastic certain reporting, this questions were less about the nature of the information, the reliability, but how it played for something on his agenda --
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which is why he might want to secure -- we generally precluded him from doing it by making it an electronic part of the tablet. it was not something you just walk away with. >> what was the fear, if he kept hold of those documents? >> i think maybe, you showed with the, audience where president trump tended to speak out loud or without discussing what he had planned, which at times, we would have speeches, various cabinet secretaries, what they wanted to use and some presentation and we would offer sometimes push that -- weather that might be compromising, please don't do this. but the former president tends to speak off the cassettes. he's got his own agenda. my mind is -- is meeting with mr. lavrov and then russian impasse are, where he discussed information that came from a sensitive foreign partner, and also exposed a very sensitive cia source.
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>> you have a loose slipped president -- i'm following you, douglas. i'm following you. as if the story couldn't get [inaudible] there is a report from the pittsburgh post-gazette on the quote unquote fake areas that post as a rough child -- and who was -- was invited to mar-a-lago where she mingled with trump. there is a picture of them on screen and lindsey graham. she golfed with the former president and senator graham. should russians -- made several trips to this kind of how slash resort that trump listen. i just find this whole thing unfathomable. where is the background check? where is the secret service? how can mar-a-lago be so and secure? ? >> that's the problem, isn't? first of all, the president can't just have a win declassified documents. there's a process for. that --
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the president ultimately can make that decision, but it's gotta be -- mar-a-lago is a resort. the secret services are there to protect the former president, not classified holdings. there's really no clear insight that we the public had to have access to those boxes. when we carry classified information and if i had to go to the white house, or to capitol hill, we have special bags and locks. there's all sorts of controls -- it's disconcerting who might have had access to those documents. >> but decades of u.s. intelligence work and procedures as you outlined, just thrown away for this reality stevie star who gets to the presidency in the sites to live in a resort in florida. it's absolutely mind-boggling. douglas london, thank you for your analysis. we appreciate it. coming up, would biden's poll rate -- could newly energized voters help fend off a red wave?
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of john gullible bay, director -- institute of politics made a prediction. in a piece for the new york times you wrote that a trifecta of events could allow democrats to defy history and hold on to congress in november. he argued that the reemergence of trump, the overturning of roe v. wade and action for president biden on student loan debt, could create quote, a deal of conditions for democratic renewal. and the key to that renewal, young voters looking to the future. well here we are, nearly four months later, and all those predictions have come to fruition. and they already seem to be paying off for the president biden's approval isn't up across the board and new cbs poll out today found that 59% of voters under 30 approved of the way he's handling his job
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as president. that's a ten-point jam compared with with cbs found just last month in their polling. young voters help deliver democrats their victories in the house and the white house in 2018 and 2020. the question is could they do the same again in 2022. let's discuss with the man himself, john villa bonita, msnbc political contributor. in 2020 he worked as a member of the biden pulling team, focused on jen z and meng aerials, author of the fight, haugen see are channeling fear and passion to save america. jen, thanks for coming on the show tonight. before we get into numbers, i want to talk about perceptions. the perception of this more energized biden that we have been seeing over the past few days and weeks. some would say it appears he has been eating his wheaties. you've worked with the man. do you see a change? >> i do see the energy and the creativity, but i don't work closely with him, we did have
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an opportunity with my students to visit and in april, i was struck by how sincere of a conversation that he had with our two students when we released our harvard poll during that time and he spent 30 minutes directly talking to our students, asking them about their backgrounds, their dreams of the future. the things that kept them up at night. we're all this meant for the future of america. so he is highly, highly curious and i think what we are seeing is this energy and its creativity to solve problems. >> yeah, i wish we'd seen it earlier in the last 18 months, but i'll take it. let's talk pulling. as i mentioned, joe biden's approval is across the board. the gallup family increase and biden's job ratings is largely out to the jump in support among independents, whose approval rose from 31% last month to the current 40%. despite those numbers, several experts on mid-terms told the
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washington post the dems shouldn't get their hopes up. at the end of the day, there is still more happy to lose the houston hold on to them. where do you stand on that? trending the right way -- >> listen, i don't think it's the most likely path, but i clearly see a path. as you mentioned, as outlined back in may, listen, the reason that democrats have control of the house, the senate, it's because of young americans. donald trump in the big -- everybody over the age of 45. it is young people under the age of 30 who won arizona, michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin, georgia -- by an average of 20 points. that's the reason we have president biden in the white house today and not president trump. now what we are seeing, to me it looks a lot like 2018. people did not expect to see a democratic wave. they didn't expect to see young people turn up the day before
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the election. -- we are seeing the same thing play out today. young people said they were angry. young people are registering, they're showing up in real numbers. i think it's very very likely that we see a significant change in the face of the electorate over the next several weeks. >> you mentioned showing up. young people showing up. what you are saying, especially what you're saying about winning elections, it kind of goes against the convention of wisdom in d.c. for many years now. the conventional wisdom as young people don't matter. it doesn't matter what they care or do. because they don't vote like order people do. they don't turn out like older people do. they don't stay engaged like older people to. who cares about young people? that must frustrate you to hear that line of argument put forth by veteran politicians and pundits. >> it does, but it's old news. that conventional wisdom was right more than it was wrong over the last 40 years ago. when baby boomers and gestures
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and 18 to 29-year-olds voted -- on gen z. 2018 donald trump in 2018, -- was a game-changer. with young people did was they doubled the historical turnout from 17, 18% to the mid 30s in 2018. not only that, but there -- democrats was close to 70%. those two numbers added 2 to 2 and a half points or democratic -- across the country. we still had historical turnout in 2020 as well. it's old news. >> last question. given it's -- given the trend is still in the favor of the opposition party in the midterms, what else can joe biden do between now and november to keep the base, especially young voters energized? >> two things. he needs to remind younger voters that he delivered three things i care most about, climate, guns, student debt, part one, and then he needs to talk on the tangible differences between the democrat party, the republican
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party, specifically as it relates to losing freedoms, such as reproductive health, access to other health care under republican control in congress. >> well said, john della volpe, thank you so much for your time. coming up, maxwell frost is here. he's been getting a taken -- it attention for being gen z canada. he's coming up in a moment. before, that richard louis is here with the headlines. >> good evening to you. texas gubernatorial hopeful that'll o'rourke said he received treatment at hospital for bacterial infection. the symptoms are improving as he continues to test, or rather rested his el paso him. it's unclear when he will return to the campaign trail. pakistan pleading for more international aid as catastrophic flooding claims more lives there. officials say more than 1000 people have died since mid june, including 120 people the last 36 hours alone. relief camps have been set up
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youth-led gun violence prevention movement. his name is maxwell alejandro frost. he might be wondering why am i telling you about this 25-year-old guy. well, he just won a crowded democratic primary for florida's tenth congressional district and is set to become the first gen z democratic member of congress. yes, he heard me right, at just 25, maxwell is almost guaranteed to be had heading to washington d.c. to represent the hundreds of thousands of orlando residents in history. he's backed by high-profile progressives like senators elizabeth warren and bernie sanders and he has outraised his 72-year-old republican appointed by more than 2 to 1. one point $5 million as of august. how big is this? is this candidacy for young americans, a progressive young american? let's not ask him. candidate maxwell alejandro frost joins me now. thank you so much for coming on the show. you are running on a very
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progressive left-wing platform, medicare, the green new deal, banning assault style weapons and legalizing marijuana. florida's tenth district is pretty reliably democratic, but you will be replacing, quote unquote, moderate democrat val demings. why do you think your message resonated with voters there? >> it resonated with voters, because i call my platform a love letter to my community. it's looking at all the issues people are going through here in central florida and saying look, these are the policies. these are the north stars who want to fight for the world that we deserve. we know that majority of americans are for things like universal background checks, the majority of americans -- harsher every single person has health care. at the end of the day we talk through a lens of loving one another and building a world that is worth fighting for. no matter if you're progressive, moderate or republican or democrat, it's not about left versus right, it's about people versus the problem. -- not just progressive, but moderate and republicans as
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well. >> yet, and yet, you do have progressive democrats losing their primary races, -- jessica cisneros and texas just to name a couple of places. you have people in your party saying we shouldn't go too far to the left. people want centrist policies, progressive policies are not a way to win. medicare, to extreme. would you say to them? >> when i would say to them as it all has to be about the way you message it. here in florida, we focus on the cause and effect of what is going on, but we also have to look at the lens in which this campaign operated. this has been one of the worst years for floridians in terms of the actions are would governors take -- every single community. our campaign provided an alternative to that and talking about the world that we deserve to live in, and saying look, my success is your success and your success as my success, and even though we might not agree all the time, i want you to know that i love you and i care about you. i was born and raised in this
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community. let's work together and building the world. no matter if you are left, right, moderate, progressive, it's a message that the majority of people can get behind. yes, it also includes these progressive policies. >> i'm going to be very blunt and say, i interview a lot of members of congress on the show. not all of them speak as fluently as you seem to be speaking. i have to ask the question, how does a 25-year-old and a winning a democratic nomination? how did you get here? explain to our viewers how you got here. >> i got involved ten years ago, because of the sandy hook shooting. that's what got me in this when i was 15 years old. i started working on campaigns straight out of high school. full-time, and have been immersed full-time as my career in politics since 18, working at the aclu, and becoming the national organizing director of march for our lives. it has been a privilege. it's been a blessing. i feel incredibly lucky that we have had these opportunities at such a young age. now i'm just using what i learned in these shops to fight for my community, to fight for district ten.
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to make sure that people at home don't forget and don't count out florida, because there are millions of poor working class families here just crying out for relief and champions, desantis does not represent our entire state. there's a ton of folks like me who are just fighting for that better future. >> so you're heading into congress possibly to be the youngest member at the age of 25? the top three leaders in your policy in the house, nancy pelosi, -- have an average age of something like 82 years old. why does it matter to have someone of your age and your generation in congress? >> congress is supposed to be representatives of the entire country, so i think it's important that yes, we have a diversity of race, yes we have a diversity of experience, but also a diversity of age. my generation, and just any generation. each go through different things and see the issues through a different lens. i think it's important that we elect people and have a congress that represents
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everybody. millennials, gen z, everybody under the sun, and that's why it's important to have young people in congress and that's why i'm going to work hard to ensure that we get more folks in congress that represent the country that we live in. >> so i've got to ask before we run out of time, it's interesting to have younger people represent the country. the republicans had agency, but he's heading out of congress as you're heading in. madison cawthorn -- also 25 when he ran for office. he is the guy who kind of accused members of his own party of having cocaine fueled orgies, he's the guy who denied the election. he's the guy -- i can go on and on with madison cawthorn scandal. i wonder what you feel about people saying well, look at maxwell frost. he's a democratic madison cawthorn? >> no, no, no, i'm not. the problem, the more recent scandals, honestly, it's the
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ideology of what he believes in. that is disqualifying in and of itself. i hope to bring a perspective that is based around a lot of people in no matter where you are, because i love you, i want you to have health care, i want you to have affordable housing, i want you to live in a world where you don't have to fear gun violence, and that is not a left right, progressive moderate thing. it's a human one. it's about building a government that is focused on humanity -- no matter who they are. that's how we're going to win the november general election. that's how we're going to win florida and that's how we're going to bring our people together on common shared values. >> i can't help but notice how diametrically opposed the two of you are on the specific issue of guns and particular, but i promise not to make that comparison again. i hope you come back to the show soon. thank you for your time, maxwell. next, joe biden's student loan forgiveness plan has the right screaming, it's not fair. i will tell you just how fair it is. it is my 62nd rent coming up. don't forget, you could listen to the mehdi hasan show anytime free wherever you get your
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when college was much less expensive -- students do today. for example, mitch mcconnell called biden's -- slap in the face to with the americans were second -- mcconnell was a mere 330 bucks for -- ron johnson's that president biden's decision to cancel student loan is expensive, regressive and unjust. -- matt university of minnesota in 1977 with 840 bucks which is equals to just under three and a half k today. -- if you bore the money, you pay it back. kennedy went to vanderbilt university with 20 $600, just over $14,000 and today's money. -- $55,000 in tuition and fees. roger marshall -- i joined the army instead of taking out another long when i was in medical school. -- before he went to medical school his undergrad degree was -- less than $900. next, we will ask a former
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is blind. and our legal system should be objective and unbiased. but here in the u.s., that's more of a suggestion and an actual requirement if you have any doubts, look no further than what's going on in florida. he was district judge eileen, at -- signaling her support to a point, a quote special master to review some of the documents seized by the fbi from trump's mar-a-lago resort own this month. she scheduled a hearing to hear the argument. legal analyst pounced on that news, including senior prosecutor andrew weizmann who tweeted the ruling is cause for concern and maybe a harbinger of her placating or worse,
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merit-less trump request an acting precipitously without solid legal grounding. of course, none of us can prove she's doing this for trump's benefit. there's no evidence for that. people are speculating. there is a perception of bias. and that is the point. that is the problem. i would listen ember of times trump was openly demanded that his judicial appointments judges way. but the show is only an hour-long. look, judges in this country are kind of tainted. not just by being politically acquainted -- appointed, but in many cases by having to run elections. having to appeal to voters and not just the law politico is reporting 30 states or will hold state supreme court elections this year. and will be restricting abortions to -- leave it to the gop, say the quiet part out loud, quote, we are approaching these were racist or the mindset of how state supreme court will affect the re--- process for the next decade. that is not how justice is supposed to work. in an openly partisan manner.
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-- about filling judicial post. if we want to restore some sort of faith and trust in our judicial system, at what point do we get around to bringing in an independent nonpartisan way of appointing judges? who better to ask and nancy, a former federal judge yourself, now law professor at harvard university. she joins me now. thank you so much for coming on the show. >> good to be here. >> what is your reaction to judge cannons approach to the special master request from the man who once appointed -- do you worry about her being the judge in this case? >> i have to start because we all have to start with the presumption that she is not going to follow the sort of rules of the guy who appointed her. i was recommended by clinton.
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i was approved by the senate. you have to start their. you have to start their. because otherwise, the entire system is being legitimized. -- different and state appointments. the state judges are oftentimes elected. federal judges are appointed and the process is arguably more neutral than electing, based on one party or the other. nevertheless, i was surprised that she would dignify this request, because the short answer is should a special minister be appointed to review the materials? it's too late. the fbi has already gone through this. they have to go through these documents quickly, because of the issue was imminent damage to national security, they had to do a damage assessment immediately. contrast this -- when rudy giuliani's offices were searched, there was a special master appointed
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immediately, because the assumption was that there was attorney-client privilege materials in an attorney's office. -- actually had a tank team, an internal team within the doj that would go over the material that is not related to the investigators. they were going to do it without being asked. the doj tainting is not the same thing and not as neutral as a special master. i was surprised by this, because the short answer ought to have been thank you very much -- two weeks to late. everything is done. she may get that answer by the way, in response to her questions. the questions being where are we in the process? my assumption is largely over. >> just to get back to what you said at the start. i agree with you with the presumption should be everyone's acting impartially as you were when she was appointed by clinton --
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and -- that is the nature of the appointment system. before we were not of time, i want to bring up the political piece i mentioned on how politicized the state supreme court seat races are. how are judge is supposed to dispense judges and partially if they have that one eye on the reelection campaigns and opinion polls? and campaign donors? >> the answer is it is extraordinarily difficult. there's no question about it. state judges that run for office attempt to walk a fine line between, here's my judicial philosophy, but i cannot tell you when i'm going to do in any particular case, because i cannot run on a case specific platform. it's a very fine line. one other thing about the special master, just go back to that, any judge could say out of an abundance of caution, in a case as high-profile as this, let's appoint a third party neutral. i don't think she has to. i don't think she should. but that is certainly not totally illegitimate.
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>> yeah, that's a quick question. you served on president biden supreme court reform commission with the idea of expanding the courts. something i've talked about extensively on the show. it was kicked down the road. they kick the can down the road before roe is overturned in the wake of the dobbs decision. how important do you think it is that democrats start talking about expanding? >> i think it's very important. i think it's not just the dobbs decision. essentially, this court in three days, overturned decades and decades of precedent, -- the super conservative majority, what will? i think it's particularly important now. >> i'm glad to hear you say that. nancy gertner, i get so much for your time. i appreciate it. coming up, at the top of the hour with ayman mohyeldin, north and luther king the third will join on the anniversary of his father's famous i have a dream speech to discuss the legacy and fights for civil rights in america tonight. 9 pm eastern.
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through thursday. now it's time to hand it over to my friend, ayman mohyeldin, we gotta talk about republicans. they're losing their minds over joe biden's plan to cancel some student debt, as i pointed out earlier on in the show. but they're also in the process of showing us who they really are. you gotta watch this hilarious self -- from the republican senator marco rubio on fox. >> i owe it over $100,000 in student loans. i had over $100,000 in student loans, but i was able to pay it off. i wrote a book. from that money was able to pay it. >> ayman, it's a's plan to tackle higher education -- write a best-selling book. use the senate. this is ridiculous plan. his advice for 43 million borrowers in america. i would point out that there are only 100 seats in the senate. >> i was going to say, if only we were so lucky to have the gop behind us to buy our books
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for us so that they could they drive up those profit margins. listen, i was going to say, i have personally never seen a party have so much contempt for the working class and the republican party. it's as if the gop is constantly appalled by honest hardworking jobs, whether they're bartenders or baristas. they bash congresswoman alexandria or cause -- i want you know to listen to one of harvard's law school, senator ted cruz, a real man of the people said about student loans. watch this. >> if you are that's slacker bristol who wasted seven years and college studying completely useless things and now has loans and cannot get a job, joe biden just gave you 20 grin. >> i would bet my salary that ted cruz could not cut it as a barista for one month at an average starbucks here in new york. somehow, republicans seem to
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think only democrats have student loans and that working an honest job, like being a waiter or bartender to make ends meet means you lazy person or a dead be, as he alluded to. republicans, honestly they constantly keep reminding us over and over again just how elitist and out of touch there with working class americans. >> they're allowed to attack working class americans and democratic voters, but never the other way around. that's the end of the world. >> yeah, i know. the hypocrisy is never surprising with the gop. maybe, great to see you as usual. enjoy the rest of your evening. good evening to you at home, and coming up tonight on ayman, disgusting, as we learn more about the classified documents that were in trump's position, and one republican is actually telling it like it is. plus, mlk's legacy lives on and i will be joined live by martin luther king the third and andrea king on the anniversary of the i have a dream speech. then biden goes on offense, his poll numbers are on the rise and he is finally calling out
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republicans semi fascists. where is this version of joe biden been hiding all along? i'm ayman mohyeldin. let's get started. how severely did donald trump endanger the national security interests of the united states? how much risk have we've been exposed because he kept classified materials at the beach resort tucked between -- unbelievably, those are the questions been asked by top intel officials in washington. as we reported last night, the director of national intelligence will spearhead a assessment of the national risk to security as a result of the disclosure of documents that have been received by the fbi. that's the first public acknowledgment by the intelligence community, and by the biden admin

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