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♪♪ good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. the launch of nasa's new moon rocket artemis has been scrapped for today. there were issues with engine number three preventing today's
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blastoff. nasa will try to launch the rocket again on friday for the six-week test flight if it can the fix that engine. if it is successful, artemis is poised to carry astronauts back to the moon nearly 50 years since astronauts last walked on the moon. new fallout from the fbi search of president trump's florida home. the director of national intelligence is launching an assessment of the potential risk to national security, including to human intelligence sources. a florida judge appointed by trump is prepared to grant his request for an independent official to review everything seized by the fbi. the judge is set to get a detailed list of the material from the doj tomorrow to make her decision. a u.n. watchdog agency team is set to arrive in ukraine to assess potential damage to the nuclear power plant.
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first to those classified documents seized from former president trump's home. joining me is ken delanian, jonathan lemire, former u.s. attorney and law professor joyce vance and michael beshlof. >> as of last week, we were told the dni hadn't even seen these documents. the first step will be to get a hold of these classified documents found at mar-a-lago and start going through them to try to figure out what secrets potentially were exposed. they'll have to farm it out to the various agencies that were the sources of the intelligence.
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it's possible if it involved a human source, that some sources may have to be evacuated or protected. the complication here is it's not clear that the government knows whether any of this stuff was exposed to adversaries, whether it ever got out of mar-a-lago. they may have to act as if it was and take action accordingly. >> that would mean going to the national security agency if they think there was some technical source. it could be both agencies because it could be technical news involving a human source. >> exactly right. it could be a communication ser intercepted or a satellite image. there's precedent for that. president trump released a highly classified satellite photo when he was president. these kinds of damage assessments usually take some
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time. >> at the same time the justice department has identified some attorney/client privileged materials already? >> yeah. the doj in a filing this morning was responding to the filing by the florida federal judge over the weekend where she expressed her preliminary intent to appoint a special master. she asked the justice department to provide her an inventory of all the things they had seized. they responded they will do that, but they also said they've been through the documents and identified a limited number of documents that may be subject to attorney/client privilege through their own independent set of eyes and that they're going to take action accordingly and weed those documents out of the materials that go to the investigation. she may ask that this special master do the same thing all over again. >> the affidavit released friday, although redacted, certainly indicated there was probable cause to believe that evidence of obstruction will be
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found, could be found at mar-a-lago. what does that indicate? >> it indicates doj is treating this as an ongoing criminal investigation. this wasn't just a mission to retrieve the documents and take them back to the national archives. doj is going full bore on this one. we have more confirmation of that, because in their motion that accompaied the unsealing of the redacted affidavit, they actually said it was critical that they obtaining information from the search so they could have the best information possible when it came to making decisions about whether to prosecutor or not. obstruction is really an important part of the picture here, because doj over years and over cases typically hasn't prosecuted cases that involve simple retention. there has to be some sort of a plus factor. one of the best examples is with general petraeus, who after he set down his retained material
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and passed it onto a woman who was using it to write a book for publication. doj is looking for that plus factor. that could take a lot of different forms, but obstruction of justice could play a key role in that. >> let me follow up with jonathan lemire. we heard from republican congressman adam kinzinger on "meet the press" yesterday talking about the hypocrisy of his republican colleagues. >> i mean, the hypocrisy of folks in my party that spent years chanting "lock her up" about hillary clinton because of some deleted e-mails or quote, unquote, wiping a server are now out there defending a man who clearly did not take the national security of the united states to heart and it will be up to doj whether or not that reaches the level of indictment. this is disgusting in my mind. >> republicans like lindsey
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graham defend former president trump aggressively. lindsey graham was talking yesterday about this is going to set off protests in the streets. >> yeah. first of all, of course, the 2016 campaign had the mishandling of classified information as a central issue. republicans were so quick to condemn hillary clinton and her e-mail server then, but yet are quick to defend donald trump now. adam kinsinger called out that hypocrisy. many of the gop are doing what senator lindsey graham has done. it's important not just because he defended trump, but rather because he suggested if trump were to be indicted, there will be violence in the streets, that that would lead to trump supporters turning to violence. let's remember we're barely 18
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months from when trump supporters did turn to violence on january 6th, when they rioted at the u.s. capitol, spurred on by false claims and hysterical rhetoric, rhetoric that we're starting to hear again from republicans. that's really alarming federal law enforcement, who themselves have been the subject of so many threats in recent weeks, the attack on the fbi office in cincinnati among others. there's a grave concern throughout washington and throughout the community in this nation that republicans may be doing it again and whipping their supporters to a frenzy were trump to be charged. >> we should point out lindsey graham is the chairman of the senate judiciary committee. he has oversight over the justice department, over the fbi. so his words carry a lot of weight as well as he should be certainly concerned about the fbi.
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give us a historian's perspective. give us the bigger picture, if you can. >> the bigger picture honestly is whatever we could say about hillary clinton or anyone else, this is in a category all of its own. this is on the verge of becoming a major criminal and espionage investigation of a president of the united states. we've never seen anything remotely like that in american history. we've got the facts. he was asked to give these highly classified documents back. for months and months and months he dragged his feet. what was his motive for taking them? who did he share them with? and did they damage the security of every one of our families and children? that we don't know. he deserves the privilege of being presumed innocent until proven guilty. but if he did this and
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particularly if keeping these documents and sharing them or maybe even selling them -- there's no evidence of that yet, but that has been suggested as a rumor. if that all comes to pass and the result of all that is americans get killed that didn't need to get killed, cia agents in foreign countries, friendly people in other countries who were helping our intelligence services because of a president's at best sloppiness or at worst malign recklessness, that is something we have never seen before. god knows i hope we never see it again. >> to say nothing of other intelligence services not being willing to share with us. i want to get your reaction to threats being received against, of all places, the national archives, librarians. >> right. i'm speaking for myself.
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i think that librarians and archivists and maybe even historians might wind up saving america in this time. the national archives has a role in democracy that most people don't very much know about. they think it's like sort of a library with library card or just storing documents. the national archives is central in the counting of electoral votes. it preserves our history. it also preserves classified documents to make sure that one document does not get into the wrong hand and kill not only tens of thousands or more americans, but many more people around the world. >> if i may, joyce vance, as the lawyer amongst us, can you give us a better understanding of what role the master would have if this federal judge does go ahead after she receives what the justice department submits
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tomorrow and decides to appoint a master? >> sure. there are two options when you execute a search warrant and there's a need to have an initial review of the documents. before the team of prosecutors that will be working on the case lays their hands on them. usually that happens because you're concerned those documents could contain a lot of material that's attorney/client privilege. when you search, for instance, an attorney's office, you often get a lot of that material and it may involve people who have nothing to do with the case, other clients of the attorney. there are two options. one is to use a filter team. these are government agents who have nothing prosecuting the case. they look at the documents and make sure the prosecution team only sees documents they're entitled to have. a special master is a more
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formal way of doing that, bringing in someone from the outside who is in a sense more objective that could enhance public confidence. but this is a very odd situation to see a special master used in. there is not a lot of attorney/client privilege documents at stake here. doj says it's already completed its search for all practical purposes. scrubbed, the launch of nasa's artemis rocket. why and what's next coming up. t. why and what's next coming up.
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a half century after the end of nasa's apollo era, a big disappointment for the u.s. space agency's next attempt to
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get to the moon with today's delay of the artemis rocket test. nasa scrubbed the launch after discovering a problem in one of the rocket's engines. engineers are hoping to fix it to meet nasa's next possible launch opportunity on friday or, if not, the next one on monday. joining us is nbc's tom costello from the kennedy space center. tom, i was so excited about this this morning. you know, waiting to talk to you all day. so tell us how serious is this engine problem? >> reporter: you and me both, we were both disappointed. i don't think he know-- we know the answer to that yet. this is the artemis stack. it weighs 5.7 million pound. it's 322 feet tall, taller than the space shuttle was mounted to its tank. this is the main tank right now. it's filled with liquid hydrogen
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and liquid oxygen. the problem is at the very bottom of this tank there are four engines. one of those four engines started having a problem this morning. in other words, the liquid hydrogen that goes from that big tank into the engines wasn't flowing into engine number three. there are four engines. each one of them is being reused from the space shuttle days. three of the four worked fine, but in fact, engine number three was not properly getting that super cooled liquid hydrogen into the engine. so as a result, they had to scrub. here's the thing. they have attempted other what they call wet dress rehearsals. not a very good name, but what it really means is a fully fuelling the entire system to see how it goes. they've had four of those
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attempts. they never got to this stage because there was a problem at times with one of these engines. they thought, well, let's take it all the way to the end. but the problem persisted so they had to scrub the launch. they did not go today in that two-hour window. kind of sad, because not only was everybody here ready to go, but also this is kind of what everybody's been building up for for so many months. i think that already artemis is starting to roll off the tongue just like apollo rolled off the tongue. we're going to be talking about the age of artemis, but today it's just getting a little bit of a delayed start. >> was it the same engine three they had problems with in the previous rehearsalrehearsals? >> reporter: looks like it was
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the exact same issue. now here's the problem, we asked yesterday in a press conference before the mission, what would happen if you have a problem with an engine and you've got to abort the liftoff? would you work on the engine out on the pad or would you roll it back to that building behind me, the vehicle assembly building where they built the apollo rockets as well. the answer was, yeah, we probably would have to roll it back to the vab because we don't like working on an engine out on the pad. well, right now they're out on the pad looking at the engine trying to decide if they have to roll it back to the vab. we're going to hear probably tomorrow what their decision is. they're going to hold a news conference at 1:00 eastern today, but the decision will probably be made tomorrow. we're waiting to see if they can take advantage of the other launch windows coming up on friday and monday. >> tom costello, the vice
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president was there for the launch. people around the world were waiting to see this. there is a national security issue here. as bill nelson was saying on "meet the press" yesterday we're in a space race now. this is not the soviet era. we're in a space race with the chinese as to who gets to that south pole of the moon first. >> reporter: 100% true. the russians really are not a player anymore beyond low earth orbit, but the chinese are big time. they've already got a space station fully staffed. they are planning to put humans on the moon by 2030. they want to build a moon base just like the u.s. does, but the u.s. base is really an internationaladians and the japanese.
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>> we're both space geeks. i grew up in their era. we watched apollo 13 again last night, probably saw it for the tenth time. it is a fantastic movie. tom hanks, kevin bacon. that's the worst case scenario. >> reporter: no humans on board on this one. this is an uncrewed mission. thankfully, no lives at stake, but they've got to get it right. and the danger zone, new concerns about the fighting around europe's largest nuclear power plant. the latest from ukraine ahead. p. the latest from ukraine ahead.
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that could also cause serious damage. ukrainians are preparing for the worst. they're being given iodine pills in case of a radiation leak. now they have approval. we're told it's going to take them a couple of days to get there. the danger to this nuclear power plant is really serious. anything could happen. the plant operators are under guard by the russians and are sleep deprived. there are reports of all kind of abuse, torture from inside that plant. >> it's a ticking time bomb. you know, i spent two years sleeping several decks above eight nuclear reactors on u.s.s. enterprise, a nuclear powered
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aircraft carrier. i know nuclear power quite well. this is as dangerous a situation as i can recall since fukushima, the disaster in japan in 2011, and before that chernobyl in 1986. in neither of these cases were these nuclear disasters undertaken in a combat situation. meaning, you can't get first responders in. you can't take the immediate reactions that were available in chernobyl and fukushima. so this is playing with fire. vladimir putin has parked his forces there because he sees it as kind of a sanctuary, thinking the ukrainians aren't going to launch a lot of missiles at them. he thinks he's scaring the europeans and he is and they should be scared about a radiation leak. thirdly, he believes he can cut off 20% of the electric power to the country of ukraine.
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so very dangerous situation. it's a good thing the iaea is inbound. the sooner they get there and take control of this the better. >> but will they actually take control? what will the russians let them see? it is a military area now, so they could argue there are weapons here. it's like dealing with iran and getting access there. >> that's a very good comparison. therefore, the international community ought to be thinking, okay, what are the other ways we could put pressure on russia for this kind of behavior, militarizing a highly dangerous nuclear facility. you could take this to a united nations' general assembly where russia doesn't have a veto and condemn it there. nato could begin to talk about a no-fly zone above that nuclear reactor. the reasons the russians
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acquiesced in the grain shipments was they were threatened with nato coming in and cracking their blockade. let's show them a little bit of that. third, more economic sanctions on russian energy, perhaps secondary sanctions, threaten to put russia under the extremely onerous sanctions under which iran is forced to exist today. there are tools here we need to apply to russia to make them do the better thing here. >> they're feeling so pressed about already the conscripted flow of energy from russia. in any case, i wanted to ask you about ukraine's counter offenses around the kherson area. that's really critical, isn't it? >> it is. it's quite heartening. what's happening right now are
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most are also facing a bureaucratic nightmare to get visas to get out to the u.s. here is one family's story. >> searing images of afghans desperate to escape in the final days of the withdrawal, people clinging to the wheels of a c-17 on the runway at kabul airport. then the suicide bombing at the gate, killing 13 u.s. troops. also dead, 170 afghan civilians. thousands of afghans got out, but tens of thousands more who worked for the u.s. and their families were left behind under taliban threat. how did you feel when that last plane left and you hadn't gotten your family on it? >> heart broken. >> a man the troops called frank still has relatives back home where he worked as a translator for 12 years, was eligible for a special visa. >> i showed my passport, my
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justice at mar-a-lago as well as a huge store of highly classified documents found in sa boxes returned to the national archives back in january from mar-a-lago. the affidavit also detailed how the national archives and the justice department have spent more than a year trying to get the president to cooperate and return documents he had taken from the white house. this weekend senator lindsey graham even warning of violence. >> most republicans, including me, believe when it comes to trump, there is no law. it's all about getting him. if they try to prosecutor president trump for mishandling classified information after hillary clinton set up a server in her basement, there literally will be riots in street. i worry about our country. >> i should point out he's a former judge advocate officer in the military and a lawyer.
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after the country endured january 6th, why is senator graham saying there will be riots in the streets? we've just seen what happened with the violence in both cincinnati and chicago against fbi field offices. >> all i can think of is someone must have dropped lindsey graham on his head this weekend, because there is no way this is acceptable discussion for any u.s. senator. let me just add to that. even if you look through the political lens, this is horrible for the republican party. democrats only need to persuade 15-20% of independents and republicans to gain seats in the senate and this is only going to help them. >> jim, republican senators on
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sunday seemed to be trying to walk a line saying former president trump should have turned over all the classified documents, but also criticizing the mar-a-lago search. >> i think this is just absolute terrible time for the republican party to have donald trump be inserted into the middle of this election. half of independent voters say they are voting in part because of donald trump. of those voters, they oppose him 4-1. we've seen dramatic movement in the congressional lead before dobbs. that is a nine-point movement, which you don't usually see in midterm elections. it's really about two things. democrats being amped up to vote in these elections because of roe v wade, and it's about
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independent voters moving away from the republican party because of donald trump and because joe biden's numbers are getting a bit better. that double movement is a nightmare for the republicans just a few weeks away from the midterm elections. >> now, another big issue i want to turn to is student loans. the presidential decision on student loan debt, forgiving the debt for people, $10,000 or $20,000 if they had pell grants. president biden gave into pressure i should say capping the debt and rather delaying any payment, you know, extending it until december. so there was a lot of pressure. according to weekend reporting janet yellen and other economists saying we should not be doing this. nancy pelosi was quoted last summer saying the president can't do this by executive order. it has to be by act of congress,
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which of course it has not been. and a lot of argument it won't have any impact on inflation. now you've got democrats running in tight races. senator michael bennett in colorado, kathelyn cortez mastro in nevada criticizing the student loan decision. is it a good play for young voters who turned against the president in recent polling? or is it bad policy? >> let's put aside the palace intrigue for a second and just talk about these young voters. by 3-1 they support this action. the average student coming out of college has 30 thousand dollar in student loans. it's a crushing amount of burden
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on them. they can't do the kind of careers they want to do in public service and things because of this. they are really motivated right now and very excited about what the president has done. i think it was the right thing to do for a whole generation of people who are struggling in this post covid economic landscape and needed a little help from the government in getting rid of between a third and two-thirds of those loans is a very big thing. a lot of people, including my niece who can now go and do the kind of thing she wants to do. i think it was absolutely the right thing to do. >> take a look at this ad put out by the republican group, the american action network. >> i'm breaking my back out here for one reason. >> i want to pay off some other
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guy's debt. >> paying other people's college loans using my tax dollars is a great idea. >> you should take my tax dollars to pay off your debt. my family will figure out how to get by with less. what's most important is we spare college graduates any extra stress. >> is this going to before with working class, middle class voters? >> probably not. here's why. i don't think it will continue to have the momentum for the next 70 days. the other thing that will help some democrats like tim ryan who came out against this, bernie sanders was specifically asked what do you think of other democrats like tim ryan who came out against this policy. bernie sanders did not take the bait. he talked about the policy. the good thing is democrats are
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practicing with her on the court where both were coached by their father richard williams. serena is not calling it a retirement, writing in an essay, maybe the best word to describe what i'm up to is evolution. i'm here to tell you i'm evolving away from tennis toward other things that are important to me, including expanding her family, sharing her daughter's desire to be a big sister as well as growing her business ventures. whatever the next chapter, history books will surely remember how she revolutionized the game, especially for women of color. >> growing up, i never thought i was different because the number one player in the world was somebody who looked like me. >> joining us from outside arthur ash stadium, nbc's rahima els lis. what are her chances of taking home one last trophy?
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>> reporter: that's the question that everybody is asking, it's the question and why they spent so much money to get a ticket for this tonight. no one knows, but as renee stubs, a former champion herself and an adviser to serena said, this could be a tough match for her. she's 40 years old and the last time she wons was in 2017, a grand slam. she was two months pregnant. and what she says is never say never on serena williams. this woman is a fighter and she certainly is a champion. this place tonight could be where she ties a beautiful ribbon around an extraordinary career. >> you did talk to her newest coach, a coach just brought in from australia just for this what could be her final open. we don't know how far she'll get. what did her coach have to say?
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>> reporter: well, having not spoken to her final coach for this, but we spoke to the woman who is running the u.s. open this year. and one of the things she's saying is you can expect this place is going to be lit up with excitement. this is the largest tennis arena in the world, with 23,000 people. and she says serena has made a mark on this game, but it's not just about tennis. what she said certainly serena and venus are at the top, but they want to do more than that. take a listen. >> talk about serena. dominated the game and redefined this game of tennis. is that fair to say? >> more than fair. we look at the mosaic of tennis. it's still white, but it's a lot more black and brown than it was when serena and venus started their journey. we still have a lot more work to do to break down those racial barriers, those financial barriers, for those that don't have the resources to play this
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great sport. i believe serena and venus' legacy has only begun. >> reporter: tonight, win or lose, it will be a spectacular tribute to serena, the queen of queens, narrated by queen latifah. >> have fun out there. we hope it's going to be a great match. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." don't go away. follow us online on facebook and on twitter. i'll be back in a moment with "chris jansing reports," right after this. ng reports," right after this ♪ ♪ we believe there's an innovator in all of us. ♪ that's why we build technology that makes it possible for every business...
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