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for god sake whose side are you on? >> the head-spinning republican ideological switcheroo as president biden, the democrat, slammed the maga threat to the rule of law. while trump's republican pal threatened riots in the streets. plus, at any moment we're expecting the doj's response to trump's request for a special master for the classified documents he stole and stasheded a mar-a-lago. also, there was a time when republicans campaigned with messages like morning in america. now they think americans are lazy bums. not sure they would even want to govern a country of such supposed slackers. senator elizabeth warren joins me. we begin tonight with president biden in wilkes-barre, pennsylvania, near his hometown of scranton sending a sharp rebuke to the maga agenda calling out the republican and the right as the real threat to the rule of law. >> now it's sickening to see the

new attacks on the fbi, threatening the life of law enforcement agents and their families for simply carrying out the law and doing their job. there's no place in this country, no place for endangering the lives of law enforcement. no place. none, never, period! i'm opposed to defunding the police and i'm also opposed to defunding the fbi. >> meanwhile, we're seeing once again that donald trump is nothing but consistent. maniacally posting on his and devon nubes' pretend twitter thing a swing of messages promoting qanon conspiracy theories as he faces numerous investigations. one might call these posts, posts from a man who is very much afraid and gathering whatever friends he can, however weird and dangerous they might be. trump going on a qanon social media rant days after senior

senator warned of street violence if he's charged with a crime. president biden had words on that. >> the that senior senators are saying if such and such happens there will be blood in the street. where the hell are we? >> this is all happening on maga world losing their collective mind over biden using the "f" word, fascism, semi-fascist, but, still. there is actually a history of fascism in america. in a pro-nazi movement in the early 1930s and '40s was a very visible political movement and certainly a frightening one. look at this. this is a feet oakes of a nazi rally at madison square garden in new york city. its attendees were raising nazi salutes towards a portrait of george washington, and that's six months before adolf hitler invaded poland. it was perhaps the most

organized attempt to bringing nazism to the forefront of american life. this appeal extended far beyond the fringe as noted by "the washington post" saying it reached prominent citizens such as henry ford and charles lindberg. lindberg was known tom as the famous long distance aviator and the victim of a famous baby kidnapping. you know what else he did, he praised adolf hitler as undoubtedly a great man so when president biden references fascism he isn't doing it lightly. what we're dealing with today is a long way from the pro-nazi movement of the 1930s with you there are disturbing echos, the open racism, calls for violence, book banning and rejection of democratic norms. which is why biden is ramping up his travel ahead of the mid-term election including a rare primetime speech schedule for this thursday in philadelphia, a city acutely linked to this nation's pursuit and promise of freedom. also when president obama delivered his famous and historic race speech in 2008

before eventually picking a running mate named joe biden. we're at a crossroads in this country. there's no doubt about it, and in two days outside independence national historic park an american president will address what the white house calls the battle for the soul of the nation. it's up to the voters to decide this fall which side we're on and how much we're willing to fight for it. joining me now is congressman david cicilliny of rhode island, a 2021 impeachment manager and the author of "house on fire, fighting for democracy in age of political upheaval." congressman, i've seep some of your interviews, and i know your book goes right at this theme. you know, president biden, he sort of is channeling, kind of a mix between the president biden that was a senator and eric adams, the mayor of new york city, right, this sort of we're not for defunding police, we're

for the rule of law, but bigger picture of what he's trying to say is that you have an entire political party whose kind of thematic is we don't get what we want we're going to go into the streets and burn everything to the ground. your thoughts? >> i think that's exactly right uncertain perilous time. "house on fire" is a book about the moment that we're in. i looked at my experience both as a mayor, as a member of congress, as someone who battled trump imfor four years and severed as an impeachment manager so i recount things that work and didn't work but the real purpose of the book is to sound the alarm about the dangers that we face in terms of protecting democracy and that everyone needs to understand what's at stake in this election. this is not a normal republican party anymore. this is a republican party of chaos and corruption and qanon and marjorie taylor greene and the big lie and a party that is willing to excuse the former president no matter what he does. they concoct excuses for his misconduct, and this is very dangerous. if you look at the check list

for fascism, the kind of authoritarian leader, the use of violence, the kind of obsession with a plot, the demonizing of others, all these things are trademarks of the kind of authoritarian leader or fascist leader that we don't want in this country, and we really need to understand what's at stake and how important it is for everyone to really understand that in this election we have a fundamental choice. are we going to protect american democracy, or are we going to give power to this group of people who are engaged in very anti-democratic behaviors? >> you know, senator lindsey graham did sort of try to clean up aisle five about his comments that there will be riots in the street. let's hear him doing that. >> if there's a prosecution against president trump based on mishandling of classified information after what happened with hillary clinton, there will be frustration and i fear violence. i reject reject violence. i'm not calling for violence. violence is not the answer.

>> okay. he can say what he wants, but during the ketanji brown jackson hearings, lindsey graham essentially made qanon game which was to try to tar anyone who isn't a maga republican as a pedophile or supporter of pedophiles. that's straight out of the qanon playbook. he has played ball with all of the internationals, you know, toward the white replacement theory. he has played the game and now he's trying to back away from it, but i don't think anybody can hear what he said before as anything other than a threat. walking that back to me doesn't change it much. for you as a person who is in the business of trying to stop these kinds of threats, what do you hear when you hear politicians sort of playing it on both sides? >> yes, joy. that's actually a rhetorical strategy called paralipsies. it's saying something while

claiming not to be saying it. i'm not saying that there's going to be riots in the streets and blood everywhere, but there's going to be riot in the streets and blood everywhere, so it's a way of having plausible deniability while also putting that call out there and so, you know, this is part of a larger playbook. i would say the qanon playbook is really a part of what congressman cicilline was just describing, part of the authoritarian playbook, and the line of questioning that you mentioned during the supreme court justice's confirmation hearing is about demonizing, us versus them, creating this idea of some great past that we need to get back to because, you know, all of these outsiders are, you know, sending us downhill. the congressman laid out a lot of the different tactics that are used, and i think senator graham is basically just on board, and he's using one of them. >> you know, congressman,

there's an "economist" poll from august 23rd. you know, when i was growing up, the republicans were the morning in america, reagan, sunny optimism even though they were selling a lot of anti-poverty, anti-poor people, withdraw all the welfare, throw everybody on welfare under the bus and laying on top of it was this optimistic message. can we put that poll back up. now among americans, strong republicans, 54% of them believe civil war is likely, among all adults 43% civil war is likely. even democrats and independents, a plurality is saying we're likely headed to civil war. i hear people talking all the time. there's real, real talk that's not fanciful about whether the united states can continue as a republic or do we have to break up into a couple of countries because people don't feel that it's possible to live with these two parties in one country, and you have the republicans who also, if you look at the polling, the majority of them

believe that white men and that white christians are literally under siege in america. ron brown strewn was tweeting about that the other day, so when you have that kind of a situation and a republican party playing to that, i don't see how you govern a country like that. >> i think, you know, what we have to do and what democrats are doing, we have to do two things. we have to continue to deliver to the american people, and i think we have done that, both in making sure that we took care of small businesses and struggling families and reduced the cost of prescription drugs, all the things that folks are concerned about, democrats are delivering so we have to continue to do that. make sure we know what people have done. every step of the way republicans have been against, that and at the same time we have to be sure to characterize the republicans for what they are and what they are doing and call it out very directly. every time we stand up to a lie that they use to try to poison american politics, we're defending democracy, and i think we have to do both of those things and we'll prevail in november. make sure the american people understand what we've done to respond to the pandemic, to

respond to the economic calamity that followed and how we're rebuilding america's economy. make sure they understand republicans have blocked us at every turn, and most importantly make sure they understand what a threat to democracy this ultra maga republican movement is. it is an anti-democratic, anti-freedom movement. it's premised on a big lie. it will excuse the criminal misconduct of the president by make kind of crazy excuses, so i think we have to do that, and we have to characterize them and call them out for what we understand. understand this is the fight of our lifetime. this is about whether or not we'll live in a democracy or that we'll give people to power who have lost the right to being in control of our economy, of our health care and of our democracy. >> you know. if joe biden who is the most middle of the road pro-police working class sort of, you know, inoffensive, purposefully inoffensive politician of his generation is painted as an

extremist who isn't even a legitimate president of the united states by the right, he's not even the black guy that was president before him and donald trump who stole national security secrets and hid them in his house, in his bedroom, is considered almost a jesus-like figure for people in the maga world, how much danger are we in really and how much danger is this upcoming election and how much should we be nervous? >> well, i completely agree with the congressman. trump has an occultive personality. if you look at the history of the north korean leaders, this is how it starts, creating this mythological origin story and we're seeing that happen and the lessons that you have from authoritarians around the globe it's easier to prevent them from coming into office than it is to get them out once they are there. we learned that lesson frankly on january 6th.

we're very lucky because we did get it out so we kind of get do-over. but, you know, we need to take that lesson very seriously. the other lesson is that it's easiest to defeat these movements when you create a coalition which means that at some level you set aside some policy differences so that you can all be on the same side of fighting for democracy, and for this reason i'm glad that both the congressman, president biden are calling these maga republicans because it may be that there are republicans like liz cheney or adam kinzinger who are willing to stand up to, you know, the manifestation of this movement. it's best to join forces with them now to defeat it and then, you know, go back to fighting with everybody later, but you have to address the urgent threat first. >> listen, i know a lot of them. i'm friend with some of these republicans. rick wilson, i've said, we'll go back to fighting later on politics. for now we're on the same side with liz cheney, yes we are,

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any moment now the justice department will submit a

response to donald trump's bid for a special master to oversee the fbi's review of the documents seized in the mar-a-lago search. the rebuttal is expected to be up to 40 pages long. the agency said the 20-page limit wasn't sufficient to adequately address the legal and factual issues raised by trump to the judge in the case, trump appointee cannon has always spoke of her willingness to grant the former president's request. trump's tactic has been to delay, delay, detail. a special master could block the government from continued access to the files until the special master has gone through them and would potentially pave the way for lengthy litigation that could bog down the investigation meaning if his claims are eventually rejected he could use the slow pace of a legal process

to do what he does best and that is run out the clock. joining me now charles coleman, msnbc legal analyst. charles this, does feel like it's very -- the usual stonewalling. trump did this with january 6th, claimed executive privilege and did that to litigate on his tax returns saying i'm under audit, under audit, under audit, saying we'll doing it next month, do it again, do it again, the grand jury russia probe and testimony from robert mueller's investigation after an appeals court ruled that they could see the evidence. he keeps litigating, litigating and litigating and it's been a strategy that's worked for him. will it work again? >> well, joy, that remains to be seen. if you take a step back and look at the landscape of what we're seeing here from a 30,000 foot view there's several different spaces where it does appear the trump legal team will try the delay tactic. i for see and predict when it comes to the selection of a special master, first of all,

it's very unusual that the judge would have the ability to entertain the arguments from both sides indicating that they are leaning towards the appointment of a special master even though they haven't heard the arguments for both sides, pro or against and as you aptly called them the benefactor, that's something unusual in a case like this, but the special master will be the first place where team trump tries to provoke a level of delay. they will fight about their qualifications. they will fight about who is that is selected, even if it's somebody who they like. they are going to do that and as you go further down the road or like you said like the "new york times" article indicated there are going to be numerous documents that they tried to litigate over and over again. the question becomes what happens with the doj in the interim period, and by that i mean that team trump is trying to figure out what donald trump's next move is outside of

the court of law and so that's absolutely going to dictate how this case proceeds and how far it goes wrote to not only the continuing investigations but the decision as to whether they indeed donald trump for the many different ways that he's broken the law so that's really going to be the linchpin in in terms of deciding which way this case goes, one way or the other. >> in your career, you know, litigating, you know, for regular people who are not donald trump, have you ever heard of any defendant being able to, for instance, litigate over a special master saying they need to be able to review the documents that were seized after they already have done it. they already did it so that's a moot point and he still gets to litigate it and getting to go back and back and back. can any other american, your career, your illustout career as a prosecutor ever use this much stalling and delay to keep one step ahead of the law?

>> well, very few interest tied but few have been successful. most people in this space who have this resource, and that's a very important point i want to point out about privilege and access to the justice system. when you have the monetary resources to litigate to death then it's not difficult to see this out. the doj and the fbi have already indicated that they have gone through the documents, essentially merrick garland and the doj are playing chess. donald trump and his legal team, they are playing uno, and that's -- that's the only way i can explain it because at this point they have taken away every reason that they would need to have a special master, so by saying, look, we identified attorney general privilege, identified things that need to be returned to the national archives and identified material that's so sensitive and so private and so top secret in nature that it has to be returned to the actual government and cannot be in public purview, they have made the issue of a special master actually moorkts but to your

question, no, this would normally not be successful quite frankly because most normal folks don't have the resources that are going to allow them this type of delay because it just gets so costly and secondly most judges in the interest of judicial economy and moving their own docket and calendar are not going to put up with this, but in this case as you pointed out we're dealing with a trump appointee so anything goes. >> you know what else most people don't do is take classified documents home and put them in their bedroom. most people don't do that because if you do that, you end up in prison. yeah. anyway, charles coleman, always love talking with you. thank you very much. always appreciate you. >> coming up. still ahead, senator elizabeth warren will join me live but first from love it or leave it to america sucks the dangerous conservative idea of america.

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veterinary and others medical fields oh, 157,000 and 160,000 for law school and medical 215,000. if you know how many congressmen and senators are lawyers you might want more people to get a higher education and do that and the pell grants only for under graduate education and they are income-based meaning if you're low income or working class -- guess what. too bad. drown in your debt. while the politicians who hate you get their six-figure and search-figure ppp loans forgiven despite earning $174,000 a career in tax paid salary. after the break we will actually hear some sense on student loan forgiveness when senator elizabeth warren joins me. n forgiveness when senator elizabeth warren joins me.

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let me tell you one of the things that we can do with a two-cent wealth tax. we can cancel student loan debt for 43 million americans and because african-americans have to borrow more money to go to college, borrow more money while they are in college and have a harder time paying it back when they get out, that one law will help close the black/white wealth gap for people with students loans for about 20 points.

>> senator elizabeth warren made forgiving student loans a central component of her platform during her campaign for president and while candidate who declared i have a plan for almost everything didn't become the nominee her ideas have played a huge big role in the momentum that made student loan relief a reality. while president biden's plan doesn't cancel all the debt it does help millions and millions of americans. up to one-third of the 45 million people holding federal student loans could see their debts foregiven and despite the republican effort to cast it as elitist, at least 75% of the debt relief will go to households making less than $28,400. hello, people, rich people's kids don't get student loans. they don't need them so biden's idea directly helps the working class and they know it's politically popular which is why they are flinging themselves around like drunken chickens including this laughably --

laughable moment. >> if you are that slacker barista who studied in college and now has loans and can't get a job, joe biden just gave you 20 grand. if you can get off the bong for a minute and head down to the voting station or just send in your mail-in ballot that the democrats have helpfully sent you, it could drive up turnout, particularly among young people. >> joining me now is senator elizabeth warren of massachusetts, and, senator, i -- i note that ted cruz went to harvard. i went to harvard, too. >> and princeton before that. >> and princeton before that. >> and the only way i was able to go to harvard is because i was smart so i was able to get scholarships, academic scholarships. had i not, the loans that i took out that took me about 15 years to pay back would have been 100% of the education that i got so

when he talks about people going to harvard, there were a lot of working class kids like me who didn't have money and who was only able to go to school because of loans so when he talks about elite people, he's the elite person. how can they be trying to make this argument that working class kids who get student loans don't deserve a break? >> if ted cruz would step outside his carefully insulated bubble, he might end up talking to some of the people who end up with student loan debt really and as you say some are kids of modest backgrounds who end up going off to college although, joy, i've got to put a little plug in here. you know, harvard, 2% of the students have to borrow money. state schools, it's more than 50% of the kids have to borrow money to make it through and historically black colleges and universities, it's more than 80%. in other words, the more, the

bigger and more diverse student body that you serve, the more are having to borrow money to make it through. >> that's right. >> here's the thing. that's just for the college portion of these kids. about 40% of all the folks who are dealing with student loan debt do not have a four-year college diploma. these are people who are barbers and nail technicians, people who are truck drivers, people who do sheet metal, people who have had to go to school, understand this, you know, generation back, the employer helped train them and get them through. >> right. >> but now these are folks that have to go to a certificate program, car mechanics, and they pay for it themselves and sometimes it all works out great and they can afford to pay for it, but a lot of times it doesn't, and so we've got people who are earning at a high school

graduate level and paying off student loan debt, and it is crushing them. you know, and that's the part that really gets me here. >> yeah. >> saying that these people are somehow lazy. these are people working two, three jobs. >> that's correct. >> these are people busting their tails trying to keep food on the table. >> yeah. >> make the rent and still pay an average of $400 a month to uncle sam on their student loan debt, so i just have had it with this idea that these are somehow the slackers in america. no, these are the hard working middle class, working class folks who are trying to build a future for themselves and they are caught in a system that just crushes their bones, and anybody who would get outside their tight little cushy bubble would

actually learn that. >> the thing is that, you know, they love to go after baristas, but a lot of people who are working behind that coffee counter are paying their rent and taking care of their children with that money and they sure do like to go in there and get their little latte from that person and expect that person to be there to serve of them, but that person deserves actually to have a financial future, too. i want to show this to you. this actually burns me. these people like marjorie taylor greene and markwayne mullin and ketch hearn and mike kelly and matt gaetz took advantage of ppp and got hundreds of thousands of loans to their businesses repaid. they were able to take advantage of that. they don't see a problem with themselves getting our tax money to pay back their loans, but they have a problem with somebody getting $10,000 or $20,000 in loans paid back. why can't we have some kind of an end to -- why should they be eligible for those loans? they work for the government? >> but that is really the whole

point here. these are people who are well-to-do. they meet with their well-to-do friends and meet with well-to-do lobbyists and that's all they see in this game. that's all there's out there to do, let's help the well-to-do, and that seems like a very reasonable thing to do for them. you know, and they forget that more than 90% of the folks who take advantage of this will or who are going to be able to cancel student loan debts actually have a family income of less than $75,000. let's watch these guys try to get along on less than $75,000. let's see them pay their friends and buy their fancy suits and do all the things that they want to do and then complain because those folks are having trouble with $4r hundred a month student loan payments. you know, the whole thing really is not just outrageous. it's a reminder of who the republicans are fighting for. think of it this way, just let's

back this machine up and look at what's happened over the past few years. the republicans were in control, four years donald trump is in charges right, and what is one big accomplishment? well, let's do two. two big accomplishments. they got a tax break that went to the billionaires and the giant corporation and a bunch of extremist judges who are out of touch with the rest us who are going to tell us how to live our lives. the democrats get in control and what do we try do? well, we get out there and say we're going to reduce carbon emissions by 40% and here's the deal. we're going to pay for it by actually making the giant corporations that are paying almost nothing pay at least a minimum 15% corporate tax. we're going to cut what people have to spend on insulin monthly. now the republicans fought us and rolled back the north would

have helped everybody, but at least we got it through for folks on medicare. we're going to led medicare negotiate the cost of prescription drugs. we'll put a $2,000 cap on what people spend. these are things that matter to people that. whole climate initiative, cut emissions and produce millions of jobs all across this country. >> yeah. >> that's what democrats do, and now, even with the skinniest possible majority, that's what democrats have delivered. >> yeah, and letting people who are not rich get a break, catch a break every once in a while, sorry, that is the least that we can do for folks, and by the way when ted cruz goes to get his next coffee the barista should turn his back and say sorry i'm going to go be a slaerk because you think i shouldn't be here doing this job. senator ewarren, i appreciate you. cheers. coming up, a louisiana woman, get this, this is wild. a louisiana woman is being forced to carry fetus with a

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(gentle music) the end of roe v. wade as

idolized horrifying trauma and chaos on millions of women across this country. let me introduce you to nancy davis, a loving mother of two teenagers and a toddler. few months ago she was ecstatic learned she was pregnant again.

ten weeks into her wanted pregnancy, doctors at the hospital in baton, ruch said the baby had a feat of fatal condition saying that the school would not grow. they gave shattering news that if she brought the baby deter term the, baby will be stillborn. the doctors advised davis to terminate the abortion, but they cannot perform the abortion. louisiana has some of the most restrictive bans on abortion. it's confusing patchwork of restrictions that penalized abortion doctors who perform abortions with up to 15 years in prison. we is in a drop department of health confirmed that there are exceptions to that are too few to. a list also includes a catchall. but you need the permission of not one but two doctors. nancy's heartbreaking situation

does not appear on the states list of acceptable conditions for an abortion. and louisiana's law is so punitive in vague that medically trained professionals bound by the hippocratic oath and are literally too scared to do their jobs. let me repeat that. in these forced birth red states, doctors must roll the dice and wonderful they're willing to risk go to prison to help their patients. does that sound sustainable to you? nancy davis, who said she was left to carry her baby only to barry's left to grapple with the reality that her child would not survive nobody in louisiana will help or. miss davis has to travel hundreds of miles away to find someone help. nancy divest joins me now along with her attorney ben croft. miss davison thank you for being here and i'm sorry you have to be here. first let me ask how are you doing? when are you planning to travel and have you secured a place that you can go for treatment? >> yes ma'am, thank you for having me so much as well.

i'm doing okay. i'm taking it day by day. i plan on having the procedure done this week. >> and -- how difficult was it find somewhere to go, because louisiana has been this out, and a lot of those similar states have similar laws. >> it was difficult. i had to do some research and background on these different places and reviews and whatnot. but it has been difficult to find somewhere else to go. >> how did you feel when you were told your infant low not survive but we can't do this procedure here for you in louisiana? >> i felt horrible. it was very traumatizing hearing that, coming from the hospital that i am accustomed to.

>> what was the other question? >> awe you answer the question perfectly. i do want to bring in ben here. this baby should not have to deal with this ben. how is it possible that louisiana -- members of louisiana as senate signed a law where they did not even clarify that someone in miss davis's position could actually get an abortion of medically needed? >> exactly joy reid, and that is why we are calling on the governor and the legislator leadership of louisiana to have a special session to clear up these vague and ambiguous laws that don't leave doctors with the direction that they will lose the medical license or whether they will be in prison for 15 years. it is so inhumane that nancy

davis would have to carry this baby just to bury this baby. >> miss davis, just to be clear, if you were to have to go through with this pregnancy to term, wouldn't that risk your life as well? >> possibly, yes ma'am. with any pregnancy you carry to term is a risk. >> absolutely. >> whether the baby is completely normal or not. >> and you wanted to be pregnant, this was a wanted pregnancy? >> oh of course. yes ma'am, i was elated to be pregnant. you know, it's something we planned and we accomplished, and then that news was very devastating. >> are you going to be able to continue medical care with the doctors as you said to whom you are accustomed after your

treatment? are those doctors comfortable treating afterwards? >> i don't think i am comfortable with them treating me afterwards so i would say no. >> yeah. and then, that's the situation right? we are essentially separating women from their health care, a health care that they are accustomed to. in some cases from their state, their home, it is unbelievable that this is happening. >> yes, and in nancy davis's case she has to travel about 20 hours by car up to the northeast to get the procedure because so many of the southern states that have done these draconian abortion bans after the supreme overturned roe v. wade of left not only nazi davis but many of the women with terrible predicament that they must face even though the law should be clear and protect

them. this law in louisiana does not and it's not just louisiana joy reid, it's many other states across america. >> i want to say to ms. davis, i am so sorry that you had to come on tv and talk about your personal health situation. we hear at the show just wish you all the best. we are praying for you and thank you for coming on. thank you. >> thank you already appreciate. >> god bless. thank, you absolutely it is, a man. all i'm chris hayes starts. now tonight on all in. >> don't tell me you support law enforcement if you won't condemn what happened on the sixth. for god sake, who's side are you? on >> as the biden tour begins early, the acute threat to democracy in the state where was born. >> i did remind the president that we do have an alternate set of electors. >> then curious retirement of a secret