the real ones feel seen. he also said that's my passion talking. if you missed the report last night, you can see the pinned tweet at the top of "the beat's" twitter page or go to youtube and search jay-z and melber. that does it for me. "the reidout" with joy reid is up next. ♪♪ >> tonight on "the reidout" -- >> since i became attorney general, i have made clear that the department of justice will speak through its court files and its work. >> well, the doj sure spoke loudly with its latest filing, revealing that the government believes trump's team hid the classified documents he stole when he left office, moved them to unsafe places inside mar-a-lago, resisted giving them back and lied about it all. also tonight, the trump lawyer who could also find herself upped the microscope. who is christina bobb and is

this former oan host really the best a former president of the united states could do. meanwhile the republicans can't break with trump though we're seeing cracks in the blind loyalty. we begin the "the reidout" are a food note. in an overnight filing about stunning revelations about trump's happened lipping of highly classified material, the doj wrote this investigation is not simple police about efforts to recover improperly retained presidential records. moreover, 18 uscc 2071 criminalizes the concealment or removal of government records, including presidential records. in short, this is an investigation about lies, about deceit and potential obstruction of justice. that's all spelled out in the doj's 36-page response to trump's request for a legal -- for a special master in what is nothing short of a damning report about the lengths to which trump and his legal team went to withhold subpoenaed information. just remember, it took eight months for trump to turn over

the first 15 boxes of documents to the national archives in january, including classified documents that should never have left the white house to begin with with the expectation that that was going to be all of them. of course, it wasn't, and so the archives turned to the fbi which after a protracted back and forth with trump's team came to mar-a-lago on june 3rd, and with the aid of a subpoena received what was again a claim to be the last of the classified documents in trump's possession. this time with one of his lawyers claiming under oath that all of the documents had been returned. and yet we now know that, too, is a lie with the doj stating in its filing, quote, the fbi uncovered multiple sources of evidence indicating that the response to the may 11 grand jury subpoena was incomplete and that classified documents remained at the premises, meaning emlag earning o. perhaps more alarming the doj added the government also said

that government record were likely concealed and removed from the storage room and efforts were likely taken to obstruct the government's investigation. this included evidence indicating that boxes formerly in the storage room were not returned prior to the council's review. that was clearly enough everyday to get a federal jung to sign off on a warrant leading to the search of mar-a-lago earlier this month in which the doj indicated 13 boxes or containers contained documents with classification markings, and in all over 100 unique documents with classification markings, more than twice the amount produced on june 3rd, 2022 in response to the grand jury subpoena were seized. those documents were found not just in the storage room where the fbi had been told the remaining documents were held but from inside trump's own personal office including three classified documents inside his desk. take a look at this. this is a picture of what was

seized from that office, and as you can see, some of those documents include some of the highest classification levels with additional markings indicated it included human intelligence. it was so highly classified that the doj noted that even the fbi counterintelligence personnel and doj attorneys conducting the review required additional clearances before they were permitted to review certain documents. the doj also says trump's request for a special master is unnecessary and would significantly harm governmental interest, including national security interests. simply put, the former president lacks standing to seek judicial relief or oversight as presidential records because those records do not belong to him. they belong to the government. we're still awaiting trump's legal team to respond to the doj filing, and they have until the end of this hour. joining me now is former cia director john brenn, melissa murray, law professor at nyu and former law clerk to judge sonia

sotomayor and joyce vance, former u.s. attorney and law professor at the university of alabama. all three are msnbc analysts. i'll start with you, melissa. this was a fascinating read. my morning reading was this, and even as non-lawyer i found it very interesting. they seem to make -- in my view, four main points. correct me if i'm wrong, the first point being these are in the draump's record. any records seized pursuant to the search belong to the united states, not the former president. when producing documents neither counsel or the custodians assert that had they declassified anything. they could not exert executive privilege, they cannot exert executive privilege against the executive branch. you can't have an executive branch against yourself and he can't claim injury because he didn't own the stuff. like if you sold a tv and the police came to get it and it's

like no, you stole the tv. it's not yours to begin with. is that accurate? >> that's basically right, joy. they are laying out the argument that there is no jurisdiction for this court to intervene here because the former president lacks standing to even bring this matter. he doesn't have a possessory interest in these documents, opened by the current president of the united states, and that's not him. nor has he been injured in this way because they are not his and this court really doesn't have any reason to intervene here and decide this case, so that's first the jurisdictional discussion and then we'll proceed to the substant stance or the merits of the case why this appointment of a special master lacks merit and fails for all of the reasons that the doj has identified. >> it's hard for me to imagine, joyce, a good reason why they would have a special master. again, they have already reviewed these documents and have already gone through what's privileged. there's no lawyer-client privilege because there's no lawyer's office that was searched, not a michael cohen

situation. they already looked through the boxes. by the way, i want you to comment on this as well. one of the things that came through in this filing is when fbi agents actually met with donald trump's representatives in june. they were not allowed to look through these materials. christina bobb claimed the lawyers showed them the boxes and they spent time looking through the materials, but they were prevented from actually doing their job and looking through all of the materials. in addition to that, donald trump has claimed his passports were seized and that's wrong. the location of the passports per doj is actually evidence in the authorization. your thoughts. >> the special master request by trump turns out to be a real strategic error because it presents doj with the opportunity to present its side of the case, and doj, you played that wonderful clip from merrick

garland, the attorney general, says the doj speaks through its pleadings and files in court. one of the important opportunities that they had was to explain what their evidence means, so, joy, this example that you cite of the passports where trump had expressed outrage that they took my passports, doj does a masterful job in this pleading of explaining that they were authorized to take items that were co-located with classified materials or with presidential records, and doj goes a step further here and explains that when you find these sorts of items in the same area as these classified materials, it can have evidentiary value. well, here's what that means. it means that doj is just that much closer to showing that the former president knew that those items, the classified materials, the records were there, and that he had the ability to exert some control over them, and this is, of course, essential to establishing that he was in possession of them, so doj is

beginning to make its case not just to the court but to the public as well, and it's a persuasive case. >> absolutely. john brennan, just reading through this, the thing that was really shocking the extent to which it appeared donald trump went to move things around, that each time authorities came to take the documents back he didn't give them everything, but he also seemed to move things. from you from a national security stand point, as somebody in the business of dealing with our national security, having those documents no longer in this storage room which we don't even think that was all that secure but now putting them in his office, having these things in his desk drawer, in his office in a public club like mar-a-lago, what kind of a security threat might that have faced? what kind of tradecraft might have been use federal you're adversaries to get at that information if it was that insecurely stored? >> well, joy, i think we know

both trump and mar-a-lago were high priority targets when trump was in office and it became more of an intelligence target of foreign adversaries after he left office because there's probably a strong suspicion that there was information there that would have provided insight into national security so i'm sure the russians were looking at it after january 20th of 2021 and trying to determine how best to gain access to mar-a-lago. having somebody go in there, either as a member of a cleaning staff or a caterer or a guest to identify the locations in that compound where documents might be stored. then access those rooms with those documents probably at a time when trump was not there, maybe when he decamped to bed minister, new jersey last summer because that minimizes the secret service presence on the compound. when you go in and then you start making copies of all the documents that look important, and if they saw those cover sheets that say top secret csi, hcs, those are the ones they would copy but they would put the paper and documents back

exactly where they found them which makes them a nightmare for the intelligence community unless there was unfettered continuous 24/7 video surveillance coverage of every place that those documents were. the intelligence community will not know whether or not individuals made copies of those highly sensitive documents which is why i think the damage potentially is incalculable based on the failure to be able to understand exactly what might have been compromised. >> to stay with you just for a second, director president bushan, asha rangappa had a tweet thread that chilled me to the bone and she tweeted that trump never formally declassified anything in real life because he would have had to notify each and every agency that was related to what was declassified so that they could take, you know, action to minimize any damage because this was, of course, secret information that would no longer be secret, and she says also because he never raised it to doj but is now unofficially

asserting that he declassified things. that was his defense. i declassified everything. it means to her mind that it means he wanted those secrets to still have value. he wanted those things to still be perceived as secret. what does that say to you as an intelligence professional, that he still wanted those things to be valuable which is why he didn't really declassify them the normal way? >> look, two things. up, his claim that he declassified everything is absurd on its face. it's just absolutely absurd. secondly, it makes me wonder why he selected these documents. what was it that was truly fascinating or interesting to him that he felt as though he could leverage in the future? there are thousands upon thousand of top secret documents that are generated every day. only a small portion are brought to a president of the united states, and it appears as though he decided, he selected some of those documents that he found so interesting that he wanted to retain them and to conceal them. for what use and what purpose, that's the thing that's the most worrisome about all of this.

>>ance a lotulelei. there is a bunch of what aboutism that's going on in the world on the right well they say hillary clinton, that was the threat that lindsey graham made, you know, why doesn't he get treated like hillary clinton. hillary clinton, first of all, was investigated for almost two years for having a server at her house. she never retained documents that she tried to keep and conceal, and here is the standard that was used by james comey when they decided that she hadn't committed a crime that they would prosecute her for. this was the standard. you would have had to have clearful and infectional mishandling of classified information and have vast materials exposed in such a way to suppose an inference of intentional misconduct, disloyalty to the united states and efforts to obstruct justice. hillary clinton never attempted to construct, conceal move her server around. they knew exactly where it was. she had things like records about a meeting that, you know, she was going have with a foreign official, things that -- and they were things declassified after the fact.

there was nothing anywhere close to this. what do you make of the fact that they are trying to use that as an excuse when this was a completely different situation? >> well, joy, this what aboutcism a standard play. i mean, we've seen this over an over over the last four years whenever any criticism is leveled at the former president. the response has always been to distract and deflect by looking at a different episode from another person. hillary clinton, problem mat take have a separate servers, but all the information she was doing was co-mingled with e-mails about her daughter's wedding which she was planning at the time. it's not the same as retaining class -- troves of classified information over the class of several months and going back and forth with the fbi and refusing to surrender them, even when asked to do so voluntarily, so to my mind these are not the same circumstances. this is not an apples to apples comparison, and the what

aboutism is going to go on, but it's always gone on, and this is all they have to sing at this point. >> you know, director brennan, the other difference is that donald trump has some associations, let's just say that, were even raised as a concern before he became president. his strange fascination with people like putin and mbs, the relationship of his son-in-law with having gotten $2 billion from mbs after he his sort of all in one aide, and his associations in general, you know, allegations of who he dealt with even back when he was doing business and refusing to pay taxes. you could go on and on that made him a national security risk to be president at all, and so when you look at the idea that this guy was trying -- he didn't just take these things. he was refusing to give them back and seemed to be taking active measures to conceal them from the fbi and from the federal government. what does that say to you about what he might have had in mind? >> first of all, i worked very

closely with hillary clinton. she worked tirelessly to advance u.s. national security interests around the clock. she didn't do the things that donald trump has done, us a pointed out, as he has so many multiple interests in terms of financial, personal, political, partisan, you name it, and the types of things that he's doing, it reminds me of some individual u.s. government officials who were recruited by foreign intelligence services who did their utmost to conceal their activities, to conceal the documents that they might have taken and stolen from the u.s. government. therefore, it's clear that he had nefarious intentions which is why i think it's so important that the department of justice and the fbi and the intelligence community gets to the bottom of this because there's nothing short of our national security that is at stake. >> absolutely. the thing that was always very clear, hillary clinton was a patriot. donald trump, there's a lot of questions here. let's just leave it at that. director john brennan, melissa murray and joyce vance is going to stay with us. next on "the reidout," trump's

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yet again, another trump attorney may need her own attorney for allegedly lying for trump. this to imit's christina bobb, a name that may not ring a bell unless you watched one america news network, one of the biggest

purveyors of the big lie. >> it's becoming glaringly apparent that donald trump absolutely crushed joe biden in the election. the democrats and never trumpers installed the dominion investigate system in key locations with the intent to rig elections, and it's possible they have rigged elections in the past. >> wow. that was bobb, a former host for oan. of course, nothing she said there was true but if does explain a lot about what this person has been up to lately. more on that in a minute. bobb is now a soapior trump attorney with a lot more name recognition but not in the way you would want to write home about. new details have owe merged about bobb and the trump legal team's failure to fully comply with a subpoena for documents marked as classified. the "new york times" reports that back in june bobb signed a statement attesting that all the sensitive material in trump's personal possession had been returned. her statement was attached to the doj's filing on tuesday. in it the lawyer wrote that the based upon the information that has been provided to me there had been a diligent search and

all documents responsive to the subpoena were being returned. law enforcement officials soon developed evidence that that statement was untrue. none of this is surprising given bobb's appearance on fox news after the mar-a-lago raid. this is what she had to say when directly asked if the documents trump was hanging on to were related to nuclear capabilities with national security implications. >> i don't believe they were, and if they thought -- >> well, do you know for a fact? do you know for a fact they were? have you spoken to the president about it? >> i have not scifically spoken to the president about what nuclear materials may or may not have been in there. i do not believe there were any in there. the legal team has done a very thorough search and this turned over -- we've been very cooperative with the boyden administration and the doj and turned over everything that we found that we had. it was my understanding on very good belief based on a thorough investigation that there was nothing there. >> laura ingraham is the voice

of reap. didn't age well. back with me mel somewhat murray and joyce vance. christina bobb made this attestation that they had given everything back on june 3rd and that was not true. could she be in legal jeopardy? >> she could be in legal jeopardy. she submitted a signed certification to the government, and it's not true. the question is whether she knew it wasn't true and made a willful false statement which could subject her to prosecution, quite frankly, for making a false statement to the government, so if you're the government what you need to test here is her knowledge. was she relying on someone else who told her that there was a complete search that revealed nothing, or is she in fact the person here who is trying to tell the lie? joy, what that ultimately raises is the specter of whether she might decide to cooperate with the government in this investigation. >> because, wasn't she, joyce, sticking with you for a minute, wasn't she kind of the person who was the person of record in

charge of the records. wasn't that her function? >> it was, and in these situations when a subpoena is issued for record, you'll often see anent day appoint a custodian of records, and so in this case instead of going in front of the grand jury and going through the motions of saying here are the documents that you've subpoenaed, i'm returning them to you, she was permitted to submit this certification in lieu of testimony under oath, so she is the person in essence responsible for those documents. >> and it's not just her, melissa, so evan corcoran and christina bobb, these are two of the people that are under scrutiny about this failure to comply with the subpoena. this was a legal subpoena requiring them to turn over documents. hugo lowell of the guardian has tweeted about another attorney called aleapa habba who told the u.s. attorney general in may that she personally searched for materials in that investigation and searched all over mar-a-lago raising the possibility that she may have come across classified

documents without a clearance making her a potential witness in the doj case. one more item, lawrence twib has tweeted about some of these folks, and he says if trump's lawyer evan corcoran and his custodian of records christina bobb are charged with obstruction of justice as doj's midnight 830 filing implies they might be, the question is will they lie again or point their fingers at their boss donald trump? what does you make of this? this is multiple attorneys all of whom potentially could become witnesses. >> well, i've said it on this channel before and i'll say it again. maga now stands for making attorneys get attorneys, like all of these people need to have legal counsel going forward. joyce is exactly right. there's incredible exposure here to criminal liability certainly for all of the individuals who have testified in some form or another that they were involved in dealing with these records and in the securing of these records and in the efforts to collect them and return them to

the fbi and the national archives, and that when they came to do the search of the property, they found twice what they thought they would find because it was twice what they have been told by these law, so the real question, as joyce says, is the question of none and intent did, this happen inadvertently without their knowledge, did they think they were representing the truth and in fact this was not the case when they misrepresented or misinformed. all of this is going to be incredibly important but all of this suggests that these are really likely targets for the government to probe as they seek witnesses, cooperators as they go forward in determining whether they are actually going to bring criminal charges against someone higher up, maybe even the former president. >> and i want -- what about timing, joyce, because there has been a lot of talk and a lot of anger, rumbling anger out there, that it feels like main justice would not go after donald trump before an election. he's not up for any office. not on the ballot anywhere but there's still a sense that there would be hesitancy to launch any sort of a prosecution against

him before the election is happening. do you think that the same would go for any of these attorneys because essentially they would be one click away from him, and do you think it would make sense for justice, the department of justice to hold off on any kind of a prosecution related to this case, you know, potential espionage act, potential obstruction of justice, illegally obtaining government record and push that back until after the election? do you think that's likely and do you think it should be done? >> doj's guiding principle here is that it's not supposed to take any action in its criminal cases or even in civil cases that could influence the outcome of an election, and so typically what that means is you don't take overt steps in an investigation. you don't indict closer to. it depends on what office you're in, 60 days, maybe 80 days out from an election. trump has really stretched the criminal justice system out of shape here, and it's because he is so successfully imposed this narrative of political witch hunt on everything that looks at

scrutinizing his behavior so i think he puts merrick garland in a difficult position where garland might not want to force the justice department to just take unnecessary hits for engaging in political behavior close to an election. i don't think there's anything that says he can't indict. certainly not the lawyers involved or even the former president if he makes a decision to indict. there's nothing that says that they can't continue with a very aggressive investigation, but they may decide that it's the better part of wisdom given the mood in the country to not do anything that could be viewed rightly or not as influencing the election, and frank lit 60 days or so that are involved won't really impede the investigation much. they have some documents to go through. some follow-up work that they can do quietly and be ready to go on the other end. >> yeah. the election is 69 days away just for those who are counting. the most damning thing for trump it is this. it is this picture.

it is seeing these classified markings plainly all over these documents. trump knew what he h.this is not a secret. melissa, i'll go to you on this. it's not face he can pretend that he didn't understand what he had, that he had classified secrets in his possession in his office, not locked in a room, in his office, so given the strength of the evidence and the strength of this filing from the doj today, how likely do you think it would be that donald trump will get, even from a judge he appointed, the special master which would only be a delay because they have already gone through these documents. >> well, judge cannon had indicated that she was inclined to appoint the special master, but obviously that was before the government had filed its response, and, again, the government really did a lot of talking in its filings and in that evidence that was presented. i think judge cannon has a lot to think about going into this hearing tomorrow. again, the whole idea of a special master seems redundant, a waste of judicial resources

when this review has already happened. when the government has rightly pointed out that further review by an additional party would perhaps compromise national security. this special master would have to be received -- would have to receive much of the security clearance that many of the fbi officers have had in reviewing this and more importantly because this is a review that would be going on within the executive branch, the whole idea of executive privilege which is what the special master would be appointed to review on really isn't an issue and this may be a non-starter and may start over and squash what she initially decided to do as a matter of optics. >> and i will remind our audience that we are waiting for donald trump's response to this really rather epic filing today from the doj. that's supposed to come before 8:00 so about half an hour more we have to wait to see what his lawyers will have to say. tic tock,tic tock.

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was repeatedly lying to them and hiding and removing governmental records, including state secrets, to obstruct the government's attempts to get them back. republicans are starting to get nervous. some are worried that the growing probe is bad for their mid-term prospects and that they need to pivot away from defending him. now they are in the untenable position of having to choose between cutting him off and angering the hard core maga base or continuing to suck up to him and make excuses for him to keep the diehards on the bus as it speeds off a cliff. remember, the one rule -- the up true thing actually that lindsey graham has ever said, predicting the future in 2016 he tweeted if we nominate trump we will get destroyed and we will deserve it. despite the doj providing a damning photo of document found in the trump office, house judiciary republicans, jim jordan's crew, decided to ignore all the bad stuff zeroing in on a framed "time" magazine

company. though there were some cracks over at the comfy couch during an interview with south dakota governor kristi noem. >> those are the biggest secrets in the world. why would he and apparently the president, former president went through them in january, why wouldn't he say oh, you know what, i really need to turn that back over? why did he have all that stuff at mar-a-lago? >> well, that's why i think it's important that this is transparent. that's the thing. you can see folders. can you see big words on -- do we know that that is what president trump brought to his home. >> right. >> do we know that he put them there? >> welcome to the resistance, steve doocy. and some other republicans are trying to distance themselves from the former president and the party's other glaring liability, the handmaid's tale thing. "the washington post" reports that arizona senate candidate blake masters has scrubbed from his website strict anti-abortion positions and lied about the 2020 election and nine

congressional candidates have scrubbed or amended references to trump or to abortion from their online profiles. joining me now mara gay, "new york times" editorial board member and msnbc political analyst and till miller, writer at large for "the bulwark" and msnbc analyst. tim, i'm going to go to you first. tim, what we've seen from the republicans is one way or the other, lindsey graham screaming we'll have blood in the streets if anybody touches trump or people kind of slowly backing away and the third thing is trump absolutely bat crap on his truth social fake twitter screaming about qanon which to me that seems like fear. that seems like oh, my god, i can't use the proud boys anymore. i need new troops. your thoughts? >> i'm just laughing at the nine candidates scrubbing their website like that's going to work. >> we don't know trump. who is that? never heard of him. >> i think the best way to understand everybody's actions, joy is their incentives, is

right, and so i think that the purple state people like blake masters who realize this is going to be a tough sell in a state that joe biden won if i want to win the senate so i'm going to backpedal and then people like kristi noem who want to be maybe -- keep the option to be on trump's vp ticket if he runs in 2024. got people who are red state -- you showed jim jordan and his committee. he's safe. in a red state and wants to keep the base happy, so this is the thing that it's always been. it's bottom up. like the corruption within the party is bottom up, and if are you in a state or a position politically where you want the republican base voters to still love you so that you might win re-election so that you might get nominated to vpo you might raise more money tomorrow with your crazy, you know, wheels off text messages, then you're going to toe the party line and make up some nonsense for why it's okay for donald trump to have his passports in "time" magazine and all the secrets of the country in his desk drawer at

mar-a-lago. if you're blake masters you'll have a different calculation, and i think watching these folks running in the swing states tells us a lot about where things are going and watching the red state folks tells us where things have been. >> first of all, blake masters might want to worry about the fact that he wanted birth control to be illegal, so donald trump stealing these secrets is the least of his problems. you know, mara, we just want to live in a world where people don't think it's okay to do this. i think most americans just want to live in a world where a former president of the united states can be trusted not to take human intelligence material that could get our spies killed, and i think that's unfortunately too much to ask and for politicians no matter where they are in a red or purple state to say, yeah, that's wrong. your thoughts? >> that's right, because i think all americans, pretty much every political persuasion at this point, feel that at one time or another politicians seem to be above the law, and i think there's no greater example that have than here with the former

president of the united states who -- we do finally see the wheels of justice turning and clearly, you know, the a.g. has been extremely methodical so i don't want to take away from that investigation, it's ongoing and it's very important that donald trump be prosecuted if that is necessary, and there were crimes committed, but i think that that disgust is the really what turns so many americans off of politics and that's something that you see when you talk to voters, you know, democrats, republicans, everybody. you know, oh, they are all crooks. well, that's not true, of course, but it is true that when you don't hold people accountable, you know, you encourage that kind of corruption and you make it very difficult to maintain a democracy, and that's really what's at stake here, so every moment that donald trump, if he did commit a crime, you know, is not held accountable is a perilous moment for our democracy. >> yeah. i mean, know, you think about lindsey graham, tim, who is

probably the single united states senator who has been the most sure of his dignity saying there's going to be blood in the streets. he's basing that on hillary clinton and saying treat them the say. dana milbank had the same piece, treat them the same. if are you going to treat donald trump the way you can hillary clinton, the fbi would run extensive forensics and examining whether his actions allowed hostile foreign actors to compromise security and keep him under investigation while he runs for president and not end that investigation until 11 days before the election because there is no equal treatment when it comes to this democratic former secretary of state and this guy who literally took national security documents and might as well put them under his bed because they were in his insecure office in his house. >> well, not to trigger everybody to relitigate 2016 but it was really two days before the election that he closed that. 11 days he wrote the letter. >> that's right. >> this was a live ball 11 days,

and absolutely, and there's another big difference between the way hillary dealt with the fbi and the way trump is she cooperated with that investigation, was interviewed whereas donald trump has been clearly obstructing the investigation to the point where they had to go and seize these documents, so lindsey graham is full of it, and i wrote about this in the book this time back in 2015 where i think i misjudged him. we were -- he supported jeb at the time and we were at the bar after a campaign event and he was ranting about trump, a racist, and he hates it. he's going to ruin the country and the party, but the thing is back then he thought he thought trump was a ticket to losing, and that's what he cared about and now that he recognized that he needs trump supporters to stay in good graces to win, he changes his tune, and i think that just dish think it's been revealed over the last seven years what lindsey graham truly cares about. >> yeah. very quickly, mara, i'm going to end this with you. what do you think ends up having more impact or maybe they have equal impact, the abortion

ruling or the fact that the former president of the united states is a thief of national security documents? >> i actually think that -- i think i'm going to give the american people the benefit of the doubt here and i believe that both things will motivate people to the polls. i mean, nothing like this factor of donald trump coming back from the political grave or not being held accountable will motivate democrats to show up to the polls, and, of course, abortion is a universal issue. >> absolutely. >> mara gay, tim miller, thank you both. up next, big developments in ukraine as u.n. inspectors head to the nuclear power plant where nearby fighting is causing international concern. we'll be right back. causing international concern. we'll be right back. announcer: type 2 diabetes? discover the power of 3 in the ozempic® tri-zone. in my ozempic® tri-zone, i lowered my a1c, cv risk, and lost some weight. announcer: ozempic® provides powerful a1c reduction. in studies, the majority of people reached an a1c

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