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him to say. right now in jackson, mississippi, residents are facing a fourth day without reliable running water. we're life on the ground. in ukraine, u.n. inspectors are at europe's largest nuclear plant under russian control amid fierce shelling in the area. we begin with what will be a crucial day in the legal battle over classified documents seized from donald trump's mar-a-lago estate. the judge will hear arguments on the former president's request for a special master who filter out privileged materials. it comes hours after his legal team filed a defiant response to a blistering justice department filing late tuesday. his team argued it should have been, quote, fully anticipated that trump would have sensitive material at his home.

his lawyers describe the documents as, quote, his own presidential records. even though the law says they belong to the government. trump's team also argued a special master to review the documents is needed because, quote, left unchecked, the doj will impugn, leak aspects of their investigation with no recourse for movant but to somehow trust no one. the justice department says a special master is unneeded because it would impede the ongoing criminal investigation as well as the intelligence community's assessment. the department said it had evidence of an effort to obstruct the investigation with documents likely concealed or removed before the search took place. with us now to talk about all of this, nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent ken da dilanian and vaughn hilliard,

and co-host of sisters podcast and msnbc legal analyst. ken, first to you, what did trump's team have to say last night? >> let's address the excerpt where they said it would be understandable there would be sensitive material in his documents. this is a stark contrast we've heard from trump and his allies when trump said, i declassified thesis documents. everything i took out of the white house was presumptively declassified under the authority of my president. there's no evidence that happened. it's interesting to me that there is no mention of that in this document whatsoever. that is not the argument trump's lawyers are making here. on the con temporary, what they're saying is it's perfectly normal there would be highly sensitive documents in presidential records. this was just a dispute between trump and the archives of record and you, doj, are trying to criminalize it. that's a significant misunderstanding of the

presidential records act. but leaving that aside, other interesting things they said in this document, we should give them their say, they are saying, the doj is accusing trump lawyer of misleading the justice department about about the extent to which classified documents were there. trump's lawyers are saying the doj significantly mischaracterized its description of a june 3rd meeting when a top lawyer from the do judge. and some fbi agents came down to mar-a-lago, served a grand jury subpoena and then inspected the storage room where most of these it documents were stored. they said they were not allowed to open the boxes. trump's lawyers are not being specific but essentially they're accuing the justice department of lying. >> ken, before we get to joyce on this, what can we expect from today's hearing? >> it's hard to know the federal judge -- there's a lot of different ways she could go here. if she decides to rule today, we could learn whether there will be a special master appointed in this case.

whether she'll adhere to some of the conditions of the justice department request. they're arguing there shouldn't be a special master, put they're saying, judge, if you appoint one, we would like conditions to make it go faster than it normally would and the master should only be looking at attorney/client privilege. the trump team wants the master to look at everything for executive privilege, which the justice department argues does not exist in this case. >> joyce, i want to bring up something i mentioned at the top of the show in which trump's attorneys said left unchecked, trump's attorney said they will impugn, leak aspects of their investigation. we know all this because it was in a filing to the request for a special master, right? >> that's absolutely right. one of the most interesting aspects of this brief that has been filed by the trump lawyers is that this is their rely brief. this is the closing brief in a series of arguments made to this judge. it started with a brief from the trump lawyers. doj responded in a serious way,

taking on the legal arguments and really doing a lot of damage to the trump position that he needed a special master to review in this case. rather than responding in a thoughtful, responsible way to those arguments, most of this reply brief is consumed with political rhetoric. there's very little rationale at the end of the day for the judge to use a special master here. ken's point that special masters are used in settings where lawyer's offices are searched and there's a lot of attorney/client material that relates to third-parties that isn't involved in the investigation doj is conducting, that's when you see special masters used. the whole point of getting a search warrant is so you can look through the materials you acquire for evidence that supports or either disproves the case you're working on. so, in essence what the trump lawyers are complaining about here is just the normal course of business. >> vaughn, obviously, we talked

about this filing from trump's legal team but trump himself has been going on the offensive as well. what are he and his team saying about all of this? >> reporter: this is the courthouse behind us. we'll be in that courthouse three hours from now. this is important because as this special master hearing will take place, the investigation continues here. the department of justice investigators are already working through all of these documents. there was a filter team in the department of justice that already pulled some of those documents away that said that, yes, in fact, they did have attorney/client privileges and that investigators should not look at them. but in the meanwhile, these investigation continues. that is where you see the trump team potentially being able to stall if, in fact, a special master were to be appointed by the judge this afternoon, but this comes down to the office of the director of national intelligence continues to work through these documents as well, determining the classification level and the extent to which

national security of the united states may have been on the line which methods were exposed over the last year and a half or potentially into the future because of where these documents where. that's where i think it's important that trump and his allies and his lawyers are not denying these documents existed over the course of the last two months after june 3rd in which the custodian of those records signed a sworn affidavit saying all of the relevant documents had been turned over in order to comply with the subpoena. now you saw in a social media post last night, donald trump saying these documents, they weren't on the ground as pictured there, but acknowledging they were in a, quote, curtain -- or would suggest he knew where these documents were in his residence, in his office in a storage unit. i want to play for you a byte last night from sean hannity on fox. this is elena hobb, a trump

attorney representing him in the new york attorney general's case involving the trump organization. i think it's the unintentional admission of the frequency in which, quote, visitors went into these mar-a-lago premises to visit donald trump and the extent to which they potentially had access to these documents is important. take a listen. >> i have never, ever seen that. that is not the way his office looks. anybody that knows president trump's office, he has guests frequently there. it is -- it's just a joke. they literally must have gone in and taken out documents they wanted or cover letters, as it is, and put it about so that the public believes that this is top secret documents that were on his floor. it's relick douse. >> reporter: by her saying that trump frequently has guests, again, this comes down to an acknowledgment in a lot of questions the department of justice is likely investigating as to who had access to these quarters at mar-a-lago and may have potentially had access to

these documents that the department of justice has suggested were highly classified top secret material. >> joyce, to one of vaughn's points here, we know trump has been vocal about all of this on truth social and the narrative has sort of woven from items were planted to, of course i would have these items. they're my records. talk to me about his comments when there's an active investigation and how these could come back to haunt him. >> well, these comments will definitely come back to haunt him, at least at two points in this investigation. first off, when prosecutors are considering the available evidence they have when trying to make a decision about whether there should be indictments and who should be indicted, they can consider the former president's statements. these are admissions against interests he's made over time. this sort of shifting of contradictory defenses.

trump does this a lot. he throws a lot of spaghetti up against the wall and hopes it will stick. when he's dealing with the court of public opinion, that's one thing. but when federal prosecutors are taking note and these statements can become evidence, they can be cast in a very different and likely a painful light for the former president down the road. the second place where these statements may come back to haunt him is if there is a trial, if he is indicted, if there is a case against him. of course, this, too, will come in. ultimately this is the problem that trump always has in legal proceedings, whether before he became the president or after. he's a bad client to have. he's a tough client to control. instead of keeping his head down and saying nothing and letting the lawyers do their work, he feels this just uncontrollable need to inject himself into the proceedings. and by walking through this series of stories, he is now in essence admitted and acknowledged that he was in possession of classified material at mar-a-lago, that he

kept presidential papers at mar-a-lago, and those are confessions he will never be able to roll back. >> we know he had a hard time building his legal team. ken dilanian, vaughn hilliard, joyce vance, thank you. with us is california congressman ro khana. congressman, good morning. thanks for joining us. >> good morning. >> i want to bring you some news we have, because the oversight committee tweeted out it's reached an agreement with former president trump and accounting for usa to turn over his financial records to the committee. what more can you tell us? >> this is long overdue. we've been working on this for a number of years. those documents are important because, as you remember, michael cohen had testified before our committee that there could have been financial fraud that the president had certain conflicts of interest. we've never been able to significantly investigate that because the president's own accountants refused to hand over those documents. now the president is saying that

the accounting firm can get us those documents and we can continue our investigation. >> congressman, i want to talk to you about this mar-a-lago search as we look to that hearing this afternoon on the special master. we know the justice department typically speaks through its filings. what do you make so far of what the department has had to say so far? >> i think they're doing a very professional job. this is not political. if there were any elected official, democrat or republican, who had scores of classified materials stored in their private residence, the justice department would do the exact same thing. in fact, they would have probably acted much sooner. they're being very careful because you have a former president involved. but they're following the book and trying to keep our country safe. the first priority is to make sure they get these documents so that they're not out there and putting our country in harm's way. >> and your committee, the oversight committee, requested a damage assessment from the officer -- from the office of the director of national

intelligence. the odni has agreed to do this. any sense of when your committee will get that assessment? >> i expect we will get it in the fall. we obviously are very concerned what was in these documents and what may have been compromised. we are also interested in finding out, how do we prevent something like this from ever happening again. and i am confident that we will get that information. >> as a lawmaker, what will you be looking for when deciding how to prevent this from happening again? >> i want to know what safeguards we can institute. in the house, if i ever need to see classified information, i have to give up my phone, i go down into the basement, into a secured skiff, i can't take any documents out of that location. and so i don't understand why these procedures aren't there for the white house, for anyone, for the president, for someone on his staff. it should be absolutely secure and you shouldn't be able to remove sensitive information from the premises.

>> obviously, this is a highly charged issue and some of trump's allies say there could be violence if trump is indicted. given the hyperpolarization today, what do you think is the onus on politicians and public figures, should they be doing more to tamp down the rhetoric and do you think the president will address this tonight when he addresses the nation? >> the president will. we all need to tone down the temperature. as a son of immigrants, when i was growing up, the one thing my family always told me is in america, there is no political violence, unlike other countries, we resolve our disputes through a political process. that is what makes america exceptional. it is sad to me that we are seeing increasing threats, the types of phone calls some of my colleagues are getting. we all should have a stake in lowering the temperature and making it very clear that in this country, unlike many other countries, violence and threats have no place. >> congressman, democrats obviously are working on their messaging ahead of the midterms.

democrats were able to pick up another house seat last night. mary peltola. she's the first woman and alaska native to hold the seat. also this comes a week after a special election in new york. democrats weren't expecting a win there. they got it. what does this suggest to you about right now how voters are feeling and prospects for your own party in the midterms? >> there's a momentum. it was a big win last night. she pulled off an upset, defeated sarah palin, who had national name recognition. two things, one, choice is on the ballot. a woman's right to choose is on the ballot and we're seeing record number of people turning out on that issue. second, people see democrats are unified and getting things done. the president has passed american rescue plan, infrastructure, bringing manufacturing back with the c.h.i.p.s. act, the inflation reduction act on prescriptions and climate. it's a bold agenda. we have a lot we have delivered

and people are noticing. >> one of the wince the president and fellow democrats will be touting is student debt loan forgiveness. some republicans are saying this is going to make inflation even worse. some are even questioning whether the president has legal authority to do this. congressman, what do you say to people who maybe have doubts about whether a measure like this is fair or that it will be paid for. >> first of all, as someone who took out $100,000 of student loans and i paid them back, i understand what hardship many people are going through. many people who are getting these student loans, by the way, are the first in their families to go to college and they're coming from working class families. it's just not true this is going to have an inflationary impact. a lot of these loans weren't being repaid anyway. what this is going to do is make sure people who aren't able to pay their loans, that their credit isn't destroyed, they don't have to go into bankruptcy, they can still buy a house, get a job, and the total cost of it is about $30 billion

a year. so, there's been a lot of exaggeration out there. there was this penn study done by a bush appointee. the facts are this is not significantly inflationary and it's going to provide relief for working class and middle class families. >> congressman, where in the budget are you going to find that $30 billion to pay for it? >> well, we've had $1.7 trillion of deficit reduction. and we as democrats have actually said, let's have higher taxes on those making over $400,000, let's reverse the trump tax cuts. i would love for any republican who is saying, how are we going to pay for it, i would love for them to join us and voting to reverse some of the trump tax cuts. >> congressman ro khanna, thanks for your time. we're live in philadelphia ahead of president biden's speech on the battle for the soul of the nation. why the timing and back drop for his speech is so critical. when residents in jackson, mississippi, could finally see some relief. some relief.

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>> you can shower or bathe. please make sure in the shower that your mouth's not open because, again, you do not want to ingest the water. >> many schools are now remote and residents continue to wait in really long lines. sometimes for hours to pick up cases of bottled water. joining us from mississippi is nbc's guad venegas. is the water pressuring starting to return and how are people feeling about this warning, yeah, you can shower but you have to close your mouth? >> reporter: let me start by saying, when that press conference took place yesterday and the state official said, if you shower, you have to keep your mouth closed, we were working doing live hits yesterday. people started talking about that and some of us couldn't believe they actually made the announcement because that's been the conversation. they say the water is safe enough to water with, just don't open your mouth. it was a bit surreal to hear that but that was part of that press conference. when it comes to the water pressure, it comes and goes for

a lot of clients. every day we've been talking to members of the community. some told us, we had no pressure over the weekend, it came back on monday, was gone on tuesday. some say it's been there the whole time but it's not enough to function properly. yesterday we went to a street where they told us there was no water. we walked into a coffee shop. it was amazing because they've learned to run a business, a coffee shop, to prepare food, to offer drinks, without running water. we had a conversation with some of the employees. this is what it's like in this coffee shop where they operate with no water. >> you want to show me -- there's two drops. >> oh, look at that. >> i was just talking to one of the other coworkers who lives in jackson and she was like, i think it's so insane about how our lives are completely not only changed but it's so normalized now. she's like, okay, we don't have water but at least we have power this week. >> reporter: so, they have to buy water. that's, of course, what they use

to keep things going. now, when it comes to the pump that's been installed, we're told that will help with the pressure but that is not going to bring the system back to normal. that will increase the amount of water that goes out. remember, after they can get the pressure back to the normal level, then we'll have to look at the quality of the water. and only after that quality is back to normal, people will be able to drink that water. there's still going to be some time before we can get there. meanwhile, i should add they are sending more members of the government -- they're sending the national guard out to distribute more water in the city for the people that are going to these distribution centers to get -- to be able to have more water to pick up, lindsey. >> so tough to hear her say how normalized this has become. thank you. tonight president biden is returning to philadelphia, a city that was critical to his 2020 victory, for a prime time address in which he'll deliver remarks on what he calls the battle for the soul of the nation. it will be his second of three stops in battleground pennsylvania in a week with just

68 days to go until voters across the country head to the ballot box for the midterm elections. joining us right now with more is nbc news white house correspondent mike me memoli an lindsey parker from "the washington post" and an msnbc analyst. mike, what's the message we can expect to hear tonight? >> reporter: i just spoke with someone close to the president who has been working with him on this speech. this person reiterated that obviously this idea about the soul of the nation is not a new message from this president. that's what he launched his very candidacy on three years ago right here in philadelphia. we are at an important moment as we approach the halfway point of his first term in office where he wants to speak to the american people about what he sees as the progress that's been made in dealing with some of the systematic fundamental challenges in this country. not just some of the partisan wins like the recent inflation reduction act and the rescue plan, but also bipartisan wins

like the veterans benefits law and the infrastructure law. then to speak as he has promised he would to the american people in very plain and blunt terms about what he sees as continued risks, threats to our democracy. as the white house has said, he'll be very plain about who he believes is fighting for those rights, for those freedoms and for our democracy and who's against it, and trying to marginalize what he has called lately the extreme maga wing. the president will try to play the role of uniter in chief and call out what he calls is a fringe and threat to our democracy as well. >> ashley, the president has been more outspoken, noticeably so, about republicans, particularly maga republicans in recent days, calling it semi-fascism. to what extent can we expect biden to continue to focus on his predecessor tonight and in the coming weeks? >> so, in talking to people close to the white house, this is something that president biden came to himself and came

to sort of genuinely and earnestly. you remember earlier in his presidency, he wouldn't say trump's name. he would call him the former guy. but if you look at the back drop against which biden has been more comfortable calling out former president trump and the maga wing of the republican party, it's a back drop where we had the january 6th hearings playing out, we had the raid on mar-a-lago and then sort of the ensuing threats against the fbi and the justice department and law enforcement and more violent extremist rhetoric. and president biden, last thing is there's always this debate about will he or won't he run again? when you talk to people again in the white house close to the president, they say that he ran in 2020 truly because he felt it was his sort of moral duty to take on trump. he is feeling that sense of calling more than ever right now. and some of that is going to be imbued in this speech tonight. >> ashley, while concerns about democracy is a top issue for

voters, do people feel like the president is acting enough on other top issues like the economy? >> well, this has been -- you know, the white house realizes they still have challenges on the economy, but this is sort of the first time this roughly 90-day stretch in his presidency where for reasons partially outside of his control and partially for things he laid out in the campaign and in the transition where he has really hit his stride. if there was ever a moment where democrats feel bullish and the white house has a spring in its step, it's right now. they've actually had a really strong series of victories on legislative accomplishments and achievements, the killing of al zawahiri. and, of course, things that benefit them politically they wouldn't have wanted, like the decision to overturn roe v. wade. >> ashley parker and mike memoli, thank you both. president biden's speech at 8:00 p.m. eastern tonight. ahead, we're going it live

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this morning a team of u.n. inspectors arrived at europe's largest nuclear power plant after shelling shut down two of its functioning reactors. that shelling happening about three miles from the plant earlier today. ukraine and russia are blaming each other for the strikes. but nbc news hasn't been able to verify either claim. the shelling delayed the u.n. inspectors this morning, but they have made it through. their mission, try to prevent nuclear disaster. joining us now from ukraine is nbc news correspondent josh letterman. these are dangerous conditions for inspectors, already doing very risky work. >> reporter: that's right. and i spoke with a regional official just in the last few minutes who told me the shelling in the last 24 hours or so, as

the iaea was preparing to head to the nuclear plant was the worst in the area of this entire war so far. ukraine says that's intentional, that russia was trying to deter the iaea inspectors from being able to get to the plant. therefore, was shelling the exact route they needed to take there. so, that convoy set off this morning with the head of the iaea acknowledging it was very dangerous, the situation was only getting worse, but saying, we're going no matter what. and then they got stopped on the ukrainian side of the front lines for several hours before the head of the iaea had to negotiate with ukrainian military to be able to continue on their way, finally making it to the nuclear plant. but there the meantime, all of that shelling forcing one of the reactors to be shut down. this is the second time in about a week they've had a major incident like that. it has really raising fears here in zaporizhzhia, a city of well over 700,000 people. and i spent part of this morning

at a hospital where they are handing out iodine tablets to people just in case there is a nuclear disaster. i want you to hear from one young woman who told me what she's concerned about. take a listen. do you worry you might have to give iodine to your baby? >> translator: yes, because i don't know how it might affect my child, what the consequences could be for her. >> reporter: yesterday officials here held a drill for how they would immediately get 10,000 people out of the area from the immediate area near the nuclear power plant if there was an incident. just the latest step there, to prepare for the worst, even as those inspectors try to get the situation there under control, lindsey. >> josh lederman, heartbreaking interview. after the break, we'll tell you about a new round of covid booster shots that could be available within days. plus, minority groups facing

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research shows people of color have hardest hit by long covid. in order to understand and share their experiences, especially with treatment, several of these covid long haulers have created groups where their voices can be heard. joining us, margo whitfleet. professor, thanks for being with us. >> thank you for having me. >> what can you tell us about your own experience, not only with long covid and how you were treated by doctors. >> i got sick back in march of 2020. it was a terrible experience after my flight from amsterdam, i became sicker than i had ever been in my life. and when i went to the emergency room with respiratory distress, i wasn't treated with compassion. they would first ask me if i had taken anything. and i would tell them, no. they didn't start treating me with compassion until after my

drug test came back clean. >> wow. and so tell me about some of the symptoms you're feeling with long covid and what led you to create this group and what the group has been able to do for you and others. >> i created this group because i joined the long covid groups early on, thanks to my husband. he had found groups in europe and i joined those groups because my symptoms were lasting longer than what the cdc had initially said symptoms should last. and i started seeing women, all women irrespective of color, who were crying and telling stories about how doctors didn't believe them. and then i started seeing in particular african american women telling stories about how they were getting security called on them, being drug tested, and so that's when i knew that it was time to form our own groups where we could talk amongst ourselves about what was going on collectively. >> this support obviously is

crucial and hopefully people also feel empowered to seek the kind of treatment they deserve, frankly. we know last month the biden administration called for more research into long covid, but, professor, at the end of the day, a support group does have its limitations. what can and should be done to help people experiencing this, not only experiencing long covid that people don't seem to understand, but also experiencing the lack of dignity on the back end? >> i think that's a very good point because this is something that was happening to people with chronic illnesses long before covid came into the picture. they have been saying this for decades and especially women and especially people of color and also other marginalized communities. what covid did was it shined the spotlight on the problem in the american health care system that has been going unacknowledged for a long period of time. >> what do you think people most need to know about how to make health care more accessible and more equitable?

>> we need to listen to the patients. i think doctors -- we all have biases, but because doctors are in the helping approach, they have to drop those biases at the door. employment groups have to do that. that goes for teachers, lawyers, judges, police officers and doctors. and once we're able to do that, then we really can get a health system that works for all. >> professor, thank you for your time. i encourage everybody to read the article on nbcnews.com in which you are quoted, your story is both enraging and saddening at the same time. thank you, professor. >> thank you. coming up, california is just a signature away from passing a bill that would make the state a sanctuary for transgender young people. we'll talk to a mother with a transgender son next. you're watching "jose diaz-balart reports." trelegy for copd. [coughing] ♪ birds flyin' high, you know how i feel. ♪

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improperly handling a firearm, assault and domestic violence. the family attorney accused officer ricky anderson of using reckless, excessive force on donovan lewis. joining us with the latest is nbc news national correspondent gabe gutierrez. what more do we know? >> the lindsay, the ohio bureau criminal investigation is now looking into this case. the police chief says that the officer who fired the shot had been with the department 30 years. he's now on administrative leave and we should warn you, the body camera video of the shooting is graphic. >> reporter: it is a split-second decision that is under a state investigation. we've stopped the body camera video right before 20-year-old donovan lewis is shot. the encounter began around 2:15 a.m. tuesday in columbus, ohio. police say officers were trying to serve a warrant to lewis for improperly hiring a firearm, assault and domestic violence. >> columbus police. >> reporter: officers knock and identify themselves. the police chief says eight to

ten minutes go by before anyone answers. eventually two other men come out and are detained. police send a dog in. then leash the dog before approaching a bedroom and opening the door. police released the video just hours after the shooting. >> as you're looking at this, frame by frame, there appears to be something he raises his hand. >> you can see lewis' left arm on the bed, his right arm coming over his body. here's that moment from the body camera of the officer who fired. no guns were found at the scene. the police chief says the device appearing to be a vape pen was later found next to lewis. >> i grieve with our community, but we're going to allow this investigation to take place. >> reporter: an attorney for lewis' family saying we will get justice for donovan and do everything in our power to stop these senseless killings. >> just a short time ago, the

family -- lewis' family as well as their attorney appeared at a news conference in columbus calling for that justice. >> gabe gutierrez, thank you for that reporting. all it takes is a signature from california to become a new legal refuge for transgender youth in america. a new bill modeled after abortion legislation has passed the senate. whether it becomes law is up the governor. it's to provide safety for parents and families from other states who face losing custody or being criminally prosecuted if they support their children's access to gender affirming procedures. with is us the executive director of trance family support services. kathy, thanks for being with us. you are a mother, your son is transgender. talk to me about how important this bill is to you and why you think it's needed. >> well, it's important because over a decade ago when my son

started his transition, i couldn't find medical providers locally that were willing to treat him. it was devastating to us to not have the medical community behind us. you know, as we do this work across the country with trans family support services, we've already seen families coming to california from other states to get this access to care. so it's vitally important. this care is not only medically necessary for our adolescents, but it is suicide prevention. >> there are more than 150 anti-transbills that have been introduced 2020 according to an nbc news analysis. i want your reaction to this what appears to be an increase and also anything you want folks in those states with restrictive laws to know. >> yeah. the attacks that are happening to our children and our young adults is quite wide. this is affecting not just the

kids that are in the states that have all of these bills introduced, but to the transyouth population across our nation, even from kids in states like california that isn't passing these bills. these attacks on the very rights of our individuals for political gain have to stop. kids' lives are at stake here, their livelihood. we want our youth to thrive. all of our kids just went through this pandemic. there's all kinds of things that are happening. and, you know, school is challenging, all these other pieces. we don't need lawmakers coming up with things that are just going to be more barriers for the success of these youth. >> kathie, i want to talk about a cal matters article you were interviewed for. the head of a religious nonprofit was quoted saying you can't harm your child permanently, even if you believe the harm is somehow justified. that same person cited testimony from a 17-year-old who had medically transitioned as a teen

and says states actually need safeguards in place so that cases like theirs are not repeated. what do you say to some of those arguments? >> well, first of all, legislators should not be in charge of medical care. medical care should come from medical professionals and the team of individuals that work with our trans youth and our families. so parents, the youth themselves, mental health providers and the medical providers should be determining what is the right and appropriate care for these individuals, not some politicians. this is not harm. my son needed this medical care. all the national medical and mental health organizations across the country deem this care medically necessary for transgender youth. i'm going to believe the professionals over the politicians. >> kathie, real quick, have you heard which way the governor will lean on this? >> we have -- i have not.

we feel fairly confident that it's going to be signed. >> all right, thank you so much for your time. appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. >> that wraps the hour for me. andrea mitchell picks up with more news right after this quick break. more news right after thik break.

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