tv The Katie Phang Show MSNBC September 3, 2022 4:00am-5:00am PDT
4:00 am
12 irresistible new subs... like #11 subway club. piled with turkey, ham and roast beef. this sub isn't slowing down time any time soon. i'll give it a run for its money. my money's on the sub. it's subway's biggest refresh yet. this is the katie phang show live from msnbc world headquarters at nbc. we have lots of news to govern cautions answer, so let's get started. we're learning more about what exactly the fbi found and more importantly what they did not find when executing a search warrant on donald trump's florida home. we will dig into newly-released details. plus, trump's former attorney general and one time ally bill barr is defending the doj's handling of the mar-a-lago search. wait until you hear what he had to say. later, the water crisis in
4:01 am
jackson, mississippi exposing years of negligence and misplaced priorities by the states republican governor. mississippi state senator salim norwood weighs in. and we will go live to the kennedy space station in florida where nasa is once again getting ready to launch its artemis 1 mission around the moon. all of that and more is coming up. >> and a happy labor day weekend to, you and katie fang. over the last 24 hours, we have learned several new pieces of information about donald trump and the classified documents found at mar-a-lago. one of them trump might as well have been featured on an episode of hoarders. according to newly released documents from the doj, the fbi found more than 10,000 government documents and photographs. those are just the ones with our classification markings. that's just the beginning.
4:02 am
we will get into that in just a moment. i just how bad things look for trump right now? listen to what is former attorney general bill barr and one time ally is saying about the situation on fox news. >> i frankly am skeptical of this claim that i declassified everything. because frankly, i think it is highly improbable in seconds, if in fact he stood over scores of boxes not really knowing what was in them and said i hereby declassify everything in here that would be such an abuse and shows such recklessness that it's almost worse than taking the documents. >> comments like that and the growing consensus by legal experts that trump could soon be indicted has the former president spiraling a social media. and we will wait on that coming up in a bit. we start with nbc digital senior politics reporter john allen who's live in washington for us this morning talk us breakdown these new
4:03 am
developments. good morning, john. >> good morning, katie and good morning to the entire thing fandom. friday was a huge day in this trump records case, and we saw for the first time, the unsealed justice department inventory of what they have top from what law, we knew that they were top secret classified documents before, but what we found out yesterday it included the finding of 40 documents, 40 folders that were empty there were marked with classification. there were 11, 000, 179 documents that were found that were not classified. those are the government argued also belong to the united states government as a custody for the american public. trump's lawyers argue that this information that these documents belong to him, as for the classification documents, that you are classified documents, they declassified them before they left office. what was really significant about yesterday katie was that
4:04 am
the lawyers for trump had presented to the justice department that they had turned over everything, that everything they have not turned over it was a storage room at mar-a-lago. but many of these documents were found in another place and something called the trump 45 office. we had revealed to us yesterday through the justice department that they found top secret documents there in that there were 17 mark secret seven, other smart top secret, and so there is a dissonance between what the lawyers between trump and what they told investigators and what the justice department is presenting to the court about what it found. there was a huge fight yesterday, and of course the trump side came out and swung at the justice department, swung at the fbi, and a spokesman for trump called it a smashing grab. in reality, a federal daca signed off on the fbi search. >> thanks to john allen, thank
4:05 am
you so much for giving us your latest. let's bring in my expert panel, danny's of alice is a criminal defense attorney and legal analyst, mark polymeropoulos is a former cia officer at msnbc national security intelligence analysts. danny, good morning, let's start with you. a new inventory to govern steeled, never want to stipulate by the doj, the doj agreed to unseal, it was trump's team. we found that there were more than 10,000 non classified documents, and we have all these empty folders. exactly how perilous is trump's legal situation as he wakes up this morning. >> super duper perilous, that's a legal term, katie, and the challenge here is for trump is that he has a lot of these unclassified documents and a lot of these all some -- open folders and that begs the question that many are already asking, what are in the open folders, one of those documents? that is a huge concern. he also ripped some sound from the former attorney general bill barr, that defensive him
4:06 am
saying over documents like a benediction and saying that our to declassified, is not much help the trump either. t it is equally as problematic that he would do that to a broad swath of documents. this is getting worse and, worse in just as it aside, this, in a way, after take my normal experience in your normal experience, they went out of the window because in what case would normal red and human beings as defendants does the doj released a property receipt and say, oh do you want more information about the property receipt? you have more information, you're someone formation. you have the affidavit for probable, cause we will release that one seal that. we are in an area that we are, li rarely gets discuss or address because the doj does not normally do this. >> it's usually a black box of information, get it when they want you to have it. >> so mark, i want to bring something to your attention. when you listen to some of the democratic converse man jamie raskin said yesterday about
4:07 am
this situation that is unfolding. take a quick listen. >> the citizen, i would ask the question, where the files? where did they go? which ones of donald trump's friends in the united states or around the world might have them. but who knows. >> mark, frankly, jamie raskin is saying out loud what a lot of us are worried about. how concerned are you about those empty folders? >> sure katie, it's a big concern, and let me say what it's not, this is what jared kushner i think i set on british television, he called her paperwork issue. let me dispense. that is certainly a paperwork issue. this is an issue that if i was on the national security field, or even alzheimer tired, if investigators found not only top secret documents but also covers sheets, i'd still be talking with them in a dark room right now. and the way i look at this is that there's two categories, one of the documents bill self, that's what the fbi in the doj is certainly going. over they should be damage, assessment and this is c within
4:08 am
those, documents because they're classified information about our sources or the compromise of collection systems or satellites, the second part is that these empty folders those were the lead for potentially serious bill. and i think for counter intelligence investigators's a nightmare scenario because it goes to intent. where they passed around to a third party? with a left for miles? and in the national security field, sometime these folders would have a file, number a controlled number on. it forensically they can go back and see what was on there. there should be a record of this. but with the gross malpractice of former president trump in how he handled these documents, i have even if those file numbers around there. this is a potentially serious issue, there's a lot of speculation, now last point is make no mistake, the actual classified documents that they said in mar-a-lago is bad enough. >> i would agree. danny, the doj's repeatedly advising the public that this is an active criminal
4:09 am
investigation. you're nice criminal defense lawyers, kind of -- before we have clients, but choke wants a special master. bill barr asked what he thought of trump's argument for the appointment of a special master, mr. barr laughed. i think it's a crock of blank, adding that i don't think a special master is called for. but, daily eve of trump got suwannee special masters, they would never prevent the doj from going ahead and indicting him now, right? >> first i go back to my original point. this does not happen to regular people who are not donald trump. that will get the option to ask for a special master. in the past was ministers have been appointed, it's normally when there's a raid on attorney's office. that means that our offices are clearing comes as 40 of this criminal evidence that has to do with people who are not even relate to the topic. and it's kind of like a bus station of our officers of important attorney general
4:10 am
information. the other thing, what with the special master even do to help trump team? i've been racking my brings about why this would possibly help. it's going to be neutral third party who might not side of the trump team. wilson fort lee, this many weeks later, doj has finished its review. yes, they say okay, we've looked at most of, it but we've gave some of it to our filter team, it is my jade criminal defense attorney view a filter teams. philly teams are staffed by doj attorneys. >> there's a separate, the government giving the documents to the government to review. and the documents have already been reviewed and the toothpaste cannot be put back in the tube. a special master might help a little, maybe identify some privileged documents, but what is the endgame for trump? i don't get it. i originally thought, why in the world's doj even opposing this? what does it matter to them? and then when they release their filing, i understand. this was an opportunity for doj to set the narrative straight.
4:11 am
and the amazing thing is that they might never have done that if the trump team had not invited it by demeaning a special. master that gave the doj the opportunity to set up a long narrative of all of their efforts to try to get these documents, and at every moment when they were rebuffed, in part two of why they did it, that was to show that hey let's see folks think that these were not really top secret documents, they were really top secret documents. in fact, here is the photograph with the folders with the words top secret on them. but there be no doubt. >>, mark the question is who has had their eyes on, this kevin mccarthy similar toot merrick garland saying that he and fbi director chris wray appear before the judiciary committee to publicly testify, he also demanded that they return over all of the unredacted documents and materials relate to the search warrant. mccarthy once all this info while the investigation is ongoing, and we have any bit of damage assessment. when your thoughts about that demand? >> i think that demand is
4:12 am
premature because what really matters and mild world, but the intelligence community, is the damage assessment. telligencethat's really going ts what exactly was in those documents where we say hsn formation, that is human classified information, as a potential exposure for the identities of our sources. that is really critical. we don't know what was in this document specifically, but if it turns out that sources could have been compromise, that goes counter to the root of what i did as a cia officer. i spotted, assess, developed, recruited, inhaled a source. that's someone, a russian intelligence officer around here official, a chinese diplomat who we make a pact with to keep their identity secret. that is sacrosanct. for cia, that is the nuclear codes. if i kind of information was exposed, that's incredibly serious. and i think that, at the end of the, day a lot of these republican officials who are standing by trump right now,
4:13 am
they are going to reconsider that because this looks like it is bad and again, in my old-world, this is inexcusable what is occurring goes against everything that we did when we signed up for the national security arena. >> we are still some questions that needed to be answered, why were they, taken who was looked at them, but frankly the answer is going to look at donald trump. and thank you all so much for being here this morning. coming, up a social media meltdown. trump reacting to the latest doj bombshells by leaving it to qanon conspiracy theories. mary trump knows him well and is here to weigh in on his latest spiral. and a live look at the mass ekwok. the artemis one lunch count mom bringing -- beginning moments ago. we are live from the kennedy space station coming up. coming up. like #6 the boss. pepperoni kicks it off with meatballs smothered in rich marinara. don't forget the fresh mozzarella. don't you forget who the real boss is around here.
4:14 am
it's subway's biggest refresh yet. there's a monster problem and our hero needs solutions. so she starts a miro to brainstorm. “shoot it?” suggests the scientists. so they shoot it. hmm... back to the miro board. dave says “feed it?” and dave feeds it. just then our hero has a breakthrough. "shoot it, camera, shoot a movie!" and so our humble team saves the day by working together. on miro. make your home totally you. i did with wayfair. sometimes i'm a homebody. can never have too many pillows. sometimes i'm all business. wooo! i'm a momma 24/7. seriously with the marker? i'm a bit of a foodie. perfect. but not much of a chef. yes! ♪ wayfair you've got just what i need. ♪
4:15 am
moderate to severe eczema still disrupts my skin. despite treatment it disrupts my skin with itch. it disrupts my skin with rash. but now, i can disrupt eczema with rinvoq. rinvoq is not a steroid, topical, or injection. it's one pill, once a day, that's effective without topical steroids. many taking rinvoq saw clear or almost-clear skin while some saw up to 100% clear skin. plus, they felt fast itch relief some as early as 2 days. that's rinvoq relief. rinvoq can lower your ability to fight infections, including tb. serious infections and blood clots, some fatal, cancers including lymphoma and skin cancer, death, heart attack, stroke, and tears in the stomach or intestines occurred. people 50 and older with at least one heart disease risk factor have higher risks. don't take if allergic to rinvoq, as serious reactions can occur. tell your doctor if you are or may become pregnant. disrupt the itch and rash of eczema. talk to your doctor about rinvoq. learn how abbvie can help you save.
4:16 am
kids, one year they want all dinosaurs stuff the next, camels. - llamas. - llamas. so save money shopping back to school on amazon. you sure that's not a camel? yeah. whatever you say. at xfinity, we're constantly innovating. and we're working 24/7 to connect you to more of what you love. we're bringing you the nation's largest gig speed network. available to more homes than anyone else. and with xfi complete, get 10x faster upload speeds. tech upgrades for your changing wifi needs. and advanced security at home and on the go to block millions of threats. only from us... xfinity. with xfinity internet, you get advanced security that helps protect you at home and on the go. you feel so safe, it's as if... i don't know... evander holyfield has your back. i wouldn't click on that. hey, thanks! we got a muffin for ed! all right! you don't need those calories.
4:17 am
can we at least split it? nope. advanced security that helps protect your devices in and out of the home. i mean, can i have a bite? only from xfinity. nah. unbeatable internet. we will say that was made to do anything so you can do anything. unprecedented, it's also unprecedented for a president they call us classified information about the minute country club.
4:18 am
and how long is the government going to try to get that back? the jawbone for a year and they were deceived on the voluntary actions taken, and they then went in got a subpoena, and they were deceived on that, and they feel that, and the facts are starting to show that they were being jerked around. how long do they wait? >> it's one thing when your enemies are coming after, you but when people who were donald trump's allies in the white house started saying things like that on fox news and helps you understand why trump has gone into a public tailspin. so how is he handling all of this? by posting qanon conspiracy theories on truth social. this, week nbc news reported that his recent post are the most explicit, i'm obscured qanon promoted post ever. the post also include a picture of president biden, vice president harris, speaker pelosi with the words quote, your enemy is not russia written in black bars over
4:19 am
their eyes. this week, i was thinking, who could bring on the show to talk about this? what about train psychologist who also happens to be related to donald trump. this morning i'm glad to welcome that exact guest, my good friend, host of the mary trump show, mary trump. good morning, thanks for coming back to the show. as always, it is a on to have you here. first question of the gate, you how predictable was it that in tough times, donald trump would lean into qanon harder than ever before? >> i was so predictable katie. it is quite something to see the consistency with this man unraveling as the pressure builds and it was inevitable because it is not a mistake that the worst things get for him, the worst things are lashing out for him.
4:20 am
we are now talk about the fact that this guy is embracing the far-right extremists, he knows that he is losing allies and so he's doubling down on the worst elements in our society. that is the only place that he's going to get support, and that is the best way that he knows so to rile up his base, which seems to be his bread and butter. >> trump has been heading back at people like bill barr, he called barr a weak and pathetic rhino with no guts. that seems to be his go-to response when i establishment republican criticizes him. but to the point that you just raise, then do you think that the qanon embracing the full on let's not flirt with the actually promoting it, is that some type of indication of how he is panicking, it's actually realizing that he's going to get in a lot more trouble and maybe his goose is finally cooked? >> yes.
4:21 am
i think that's part of it. the other part of it is too that he has never been a place like this before. as many people have pointed out. it isn't just that people like bill barr are turning against him, although quite honestly, agreeing with bill barr something that makes me want to reevaluate my life choices because whoever knew we would be agreeing with bill barr. on the one hand, bill barr was his staunchest neighbor at one point. acting like his private attorney. but on the other hand, because of the egregiousness of donald's behavior, even people like bill barr cannot say with him anymore. in the window of opportunity for donald to come out of this is closing because of the seriousness of the potential charges that are coming his way. and what have we seen in the past? he goes to violence. when he said that president
4:22 am
biden was calling for political violence, he was as usual, projecting. that was what donald's going to be calling for as he gets more and more cornered. >> mary, i want to shift gears. we'll listen to biden's primetime speech, we had the urgency in the strength behind his message, and you started a pack a while ago, the democracy defence fund, analysts sounds like you're predicting that democracy needed to be defended. can you tell us a bit about the candidates that the pack has been supporting, and what your thoughts are about the upcoming november midterms. >> katie, i really appreciate the opportunity because we are at a very dangerous crossroads and i have to say that i've been worried for a while now that president biden and other democrats and leadership have not been understanding the extremity of the problem that we're facing right now, but with that speech, we totally
4:23 am
but those concerns to rest. we started the democracy defence fund because it's become clear to many people that the choice this november isn't between right and left republican in democrat it's literally between democracy and autocracy. and we are supporting pro democracy candidates across the board whether they're democrats or not. although quite honestly, in most cases they are democrats. but for example, an outlier would be somebody like evan mcmullin who is running against one of the worst trump allies in mike lee, who is pro putin at this point. it's anti-america. so we are willing to look any where where we can find the best candidates who are backing the american experiment which, as you, now is in serious jeopardy. >> it may, trump thank you for being here this morning, to
4:24 am
plunder insight into what's going on. i appreciate you. >> thank you. >> later today nasa will attempt once again to launch this historic test mission to eventually take humans back to the moon. jake ward is live from the kennedy space center from the latest. jake? >> that's right, katy we are at c minus six hours and 23 minutes before the largest ever rocket goes up. we'll take you inside this preparations inside of the break. break. ♪ just till they taste what we've got ♪ [ tires squeal, crash ] when owning a small business gets real, progressive gets you right back to living the dream. now, where were we? [ cheering ]
4:25 am
4:26 am
(dad) we have to tell everyone that we just thswitched to verizon's newice welcome unlimited plan, for just $30. (daughter) i've already told everyone! (nurse) wait... did you say verizon for just $30? (mom) it's their best unlimited price ever. (cool guy) $30...that's awesome. (dad) yeah, and it's from the most reliable 5g network in america. (woman) for $30 a line, i'm switching now. (mom) yeah, it's easy and you get $960 when you switch the whole family. (geek) wow... i've got to let my buddies know. (geek friend) we're already here! (vo) the network you want. the price you love. only from verizon.
4:28 am
with 20 grams of protein for muscle health. versus 16 grams in ensure high protein. boost® high protein also has key nutrients for immune support. boost® high protein. it's the all-new subway series menu! 12 irresistible new subs... like #9 the champ. rotisserie style chicken double monterey cheddar. the champ is truly made for a champ. gee, thanks chuck. who said anything about you? it's subway's biggest refresh yet. >> a live look at the kennedy space taken from georgia where hours from now nasa will once again try to launch this mega rocket around the moon. monday's test launch was scrubbed due to a bad engine sensor. but if today and all goes well, nasa hopes to send astronauts
4:29 am
back to the moon before eventually heading to mars. nbc's jake ward is at the kennedy space center in florida, where preparations are underway. jake, has a looking for a launch today. >> well katie, as you mentioned, the issue on monday was a bad engine center. at that time, it was all about putting the fuel in the rocket inside. basically huge tank of liquid hydrogen sits below huge tank of liquid oxygen, at this hour, crews are working to put those two chemicals inside but the difficulty is, how incredibly delicate that is, and you have to hold oxygen negative 200 something degrees, they get 400 something degrees, and right now they've actually had to stop feeling liquid hydrogen because they say there is a leak in the engine cavity. of course at this hour, we don't know that means, that could be a faulty sensor, it's also the sort of thing that can be remedied by something warming up the area in question. we are waiting to see, the good news is that the countdown clock continues. we are still looking at a
4:30 am
little bit more than six hours before the's largest rocket ever to leave orbit will take off here from kennedy space center. that is the plan. there are all sorts of states here, this is a project that has been criticized for being over budget. they are going to be very careful today, but the stakes could not be higher, but the possible rewards cannot be higher. >> wonderful, nbc's jake ward at the kennedy space center. there is a lot of excitement surrounding today's mission, but there's also a lot on the line as jake was mentioning. united states is been embroiled in a war of words with its main rival in this new space race, and that is china. nasa chief bill nelson has been critical of the regime's lack of cooperation, and repeatedly said the country space program is built on stolen technology. china's main state back tabloid it back and said that his remarks were full of spears, the latest rhetoric had anyhow intense this race back to the
4:31 am
moon have become. both countries are eyeing similar landing sites near the lunar south pole. scientists believe it is the best place to find water. and dillon is fearing that china can claim parts of the moon as its own. if it gets there first. this may all seem reminiscent of the space race between the united states and the soviet union back in the 60s in the 70s. let nasa stop administrator says, the stakes are now even higher. >> in the space race, with the soviets, it was who controls the high ground has the advantage. today, that's even more so because look, how much of the things that we do on the face of the earth that are enabled by what we have in space. take for example, our early warning satellites on a nuclear attack. gps, when you go from here, a neighbor's house? you dial in eugene fierce and
4:32 am
that has great implications for the national security and defence. >> joining me, now i have the pleasure of having nasa astronaut stanley love. he's been working on the orion spacecraft for nearly a decade. the orion spacecraft is the capsule that sits on top of the rocket designed to carry astronauts deep into space. stanley, good morning, thank you for taking the time, a busy an exciting day. how are you feeling about the prospect of today's launch? >> i am very excited. as you mentioned, i've been working on these vehicles for a long time, it's wonderful to see them on the path, getting ready to go fly, i'm hoping for a great day, but the only vote that counts is the rockets vote. so we will see if the rocket wants to cooperate today. >> st. louis, what's your take on this new space race between the united states and china, and is getting today's test flight right help at the u.s. in the lead in that race. >> i don't pay attention to the
4:33 am
race too much. my focus is on the hardware, making it safe and operable for my crewmates who will fly on it. that's my focus today. i will make a really good test flight and we prove out all the systems and we exercise them extra hard so that we're confident we put our friends on board that they'll work correctly. >> i want to ask you about the orion spacecraft that is spin your project that you have been focusing on and given your experience and your time towards. talk to us about the heat shield, heat shield on the orion spacecraft is really a critical issue, right? >> absolutely. if you look at nasa's goals for this flight, the number one goal with all of that hardware on the path and everything that is going to go flying his to test the heat shield on a ryan. we have tested bigger heat shields before, like on the space shuttle, and we have tested heat shields that have to enter atmospheres at higher
4:34 am
speeds before, but we've never tested won this big at the return velocity. that's really critical. we need to make sure that this heat shield is going to function well, that is the confidence that we need to put our crew members on board. and now he shield technology is pretty secure, so a very high hopes for this heat shield i'm confident that it will perform well but we need to check that box before we need to put our friends on his vehicle. >> sadly, we want to viewers understand that there will not be a human astronauts that will be aboard around this time. there will be mannequins that are sent in space. these mannequins have a very important role to play, will you let us know that role is? >> so we have three mannequins, they like to call them moon mannequins. we have one that is actually wearing the launch an entry suit that our crews will wear on flight. enit is sitting in one of the seats. it's a sham metaphor vibration to make sure that we understand the vibration lives in the j.lo
4:35 am
that he crewmember will actually feel in this vehicle. and then we have two more partial mannequins, and those are outfitted with radiation sensors. they just understand the deep space radiation conditions in enough detail that we know the degree of safety that we will have for mediation when we go out to the moon. one of those will be wearing a radiation protected vest, and so we will test that how well the vast works against radiation by applying to americans, one wearing the vest and whatnot, and we will see what the distant -- differences. >> instantly, love it's a little bit over six, hours t-minus counting, we will all be watching, fingers crossed, i know that there's been a lot of time energy and money put into artemis 1. and we're looking forward to having to be a success today. thank you so much for having us this morning. coming, up republicans pushing back on the presidents biden speech, sounding the alarm on
4:36 am
trumpism and its threat to democracy. but why has protecting democracy now become a partisan issue? congressman debbie dingell listened to weigh in. ened to weigh in my brain. so i choose neuriva plus. unlike some others, neuriva plus is a multitasker supporting 6 key indicators of brain health. to help keep me sharp. neuriva: think bigger. life... doesn't stop for diabetes. be ready for every moment, with glucerna. it's the number one doctor recommended brand that is scientifically designed to help manage your blood sugar. live every moment. glucerna. the last 2 years have been hard on everyone. and teens are no exception. but pfizer has some welcome news for parents. now there is an fda-approved vaccine for 12 to 15 year-olds to help protect against covid-19, with protection against severe illness, too.
4:37 am
over 9 million 12 to 15 year-olds have received it. you shouldn't get the vaccine if you've had an allergic reaction to the vaccine or its ingredients. serious allergic reactions can happen. rare cases of inflammation of the heart muscle and outer lining have been reported. people with weakened immune systems may have lower response to the vaccine. the most common side effects were injection site pain, redness and swelling, tiredness, headache, muscle pain, chills, joint pain, and fever. ask your doctor or pharmacist about the most widely used covid-19 vaccine in the u.s. our vaccine, named comirnaty, is now fda-approved for ages 12 and up. brought to you by pfizer and biontech. (brad) over the years, we've helped millions of renters find their perfect place. like andrea, whose new apartment finally has a dishwasher. (brad vo) ow! oh! ow! (andrea) hello...? (brad vo) uh-oh! what? this isn't right! what is that? a fork? hot, hot, hot! ooo! mayday! mayday! hey, get me out of here.
4:38 am
seems like andrea got a dishwasher that's fully functioning. apartments-dot-com. the place to find a place. listen, i'm done settling. because this is my secret. i put it on once, no more touch ups! secret had ph balancing minerals; and it helps eliminate odor, instead of just masking it. so pull it in close. secret works. it's the all-new subway series menu! 12 irresistible new subs... like #11 subway club. piled with turkey, ham and roast beef.
4:39 am
4:40 am
country. >> history tells us that the blind loyalty to a single leader in willingness to engage in political violence has failed in democracy. >> president biden making clear on thursday night but those who have sworn resolute allegiance to quote trump, present a clear and doesn't present danger to democracy in attempts to safeguard it must be prioritized by all. republicans seem to have a problem with that idea. >> joe biden has launched an assault on the soul of america. his lunch of assault on our democracy. president biden has showed the divide and disparagement of his fellow americans. >> the democrats are threatening democratic standards in our country. >> president biden tonight has said that the speech of a dictator, the visual of a dictator, using the words of a dictator. >> seeing the gop's attempt to flip the script is rich
4:41 am
considering republicans are the ones implementing restrictive voting laws, especially minority areas across the country, and the party in many states cropping up candidates who refused to admit that joe biden is our president. does this, week trump promising that if he runs wins in 2024, to pardon all of the people he march the united states capitol to violently stop the peaceful transfer of power on january six 2021. perhaps the greatest threat to democracy in the united states history. and the republicans see that they are the party trying to protect democracy, their actions actually speak louder than their words. joining me now to help get to the bottom of all of this is our friend of the show, congresswoman debbie dingell. it's an honor to have you with us here, the warning congresswoman, according to a recent nbc poll, american say the threats to democracy is the most important issue facing the country. it's clear that we see the reaction to biden's speech that it has become a partisan issue.
4:42 am
why would republicans not want to protect democracy? >> good morning katie. it's good to be with you. and i've been talking about this issue openly for sometime. and i think even as we have this discussion we have to be careful if not all republicans. and even on january six, when they were people, a group of people who came to the capitol prepared to kill people. people forget that. they really did, there were others who just came to washington who wanted to show their support for donald trump, but i think had no idea that there would be the kind of violence that they would see them play out that day. and i think we always have to be careful with using a paint brush for everybody. and what president biden talked about is that there are a group of people that are trying to divide this country with your
4:43 am
hatred. and to try to aid in about them has been going on for sometime. when you see, one of the things i talked about is the early dry run for january six was at the state capitol in michigan. when they were there with machine guns, era fifteens, and he actually went in the gallery when they were in session, and that day we were saying no, when the middle of a covid pandemic, they don't belong, there they were children, there are swastikas, men showed up outside of my home that night with assault weapons. that's not who this country is. violence is not the answer, it is scary. i believe that there are people who are trying to undermine peoples confidence in our elections, and they're trying to underline our fundamental confidence in our democracy. we all have to fight for our
4:44 am
democracy and we cannot take this country for granted that we love. there are forces at work to divide us, and we off to fight back against those forces. >> congresswoman, as the division ramps up, and appreciate your mindset that is not the right thing to paint with a swath a very wide breath of every person, but when we talk to the violence, there are key group of people were threatening the violence, there is a series of threats threatened at congressman eric swalwell and his family, another congressman swalwell is warning that violence is coming, kevin mccarthy, texas representative veronica expert are saying that she is wary about her safety, and the house committee of arms has begin covering the cost of lawmakers to set up home security systems. during your career in congress, as it ever been this dangerous? >> not really. i can remember quite frankly
4:45 am
doing the crime bill that my husband had to have protection from some of the michigan militia who were very upset with what he did on guns because it had been well known. but the ugliness, the rhetoric, the social media -- social media was mostly the saying it would bring us together and connect us, and that is become a tool of spreading this hatred and gives you a license to say whatever you want, some of the ugliest things. but what i really do think is the violence in these threats in these physical threats, it is the most dangerous aspect. i try not to talk about, it may have shared some of these things. and my job is to be an elective representative. i have to be out, there i have to be accessible. people need to be able to talk to me and tell me what is on their mind. and we can't ourselves to be intimidated and we say hey,
4:46 am
this is happening, there it encourages more people. it's kind of a tricky situation, and we need to know what is happening out there. there really are, when you look at the group of men that were going to kidnap my governor, gretchen whitmer, i don't even know, i read it newsweek, it's also been on the dark web making some of the threats towards me. but i told people, don't believe it, because it gives more people ideas. and they have to all be very careful. and i'm disappointed, and we know what he is in ways trying to do, and there are men and women that have served in the house of senate that i have to work with who came to my defense when president trump went after me, i will tell, you it's a very scary place to be. but they need to work to bring us together. some of their most recent
4:47 am
rhetoric i find very disturbing. >> congresswoman debbie dingell, i appreciate you being here today, one of the hallmarks of your service is the fact that you are accessible to all. thank you for sharing your insight this morning. >> thank you katie, be safe. >> coming, up mississippi's water crisis is reaching a boiling point with thousands going on day six without running water. the state's republican governor prioritized culture wars legislation over jackson's crumbling infrastructure, we will break it down next. ak it down next. rative colitis persists... put it in check with rinvoq, a once-daily pill. when uc got unpredictable,... i got rapid symptom relief with rinvoq. check. when uc held me back... i got lasting, steroid-free remission with rinvoq. check. and when uc got the upper hand... rinvoq helped visibly repair the colon lining. check. rapid symptom relief. lasting, steroid-free remission. and a chance to visibly repair the colon lining. check. check. and check. rinvoq can lower your ability to fight infections, including tb.
4:48 am
serious infections and blood clots, some fatal; cancers, including lymphoma and skin cancer; death, heart attack, stroke, and tears in the stomach or intestines occurred. people 50 and older... with at least 1 heart disease risk factor have higher risks. don't take if allergic to rinvoq... as serious reactions can occur. tell your doctor if you are or may become pregnant. put uc in check and keep it there, with rinvoq. ask your gastroenterologist about rinvoq. and learn how abbvie could help you save. (vo) at viking, we are proud to have been named the world's number one for both rivers and oceansnvoq. by travel and leisure, as well as condé nast traveler. but it is now time for us to work even harder, searching for meaningful experiences and new adventures for you to embark upon. they say when you reach the top, there's only one way to go. we say, that way is onwards. viking. exploring the world in comfort. the running to bordering cds we
4:49 am
4:50 am
mississippi, as crews work to get a crucial water treatment plant back up and running. this morning's new problem, cities old pipes will be able to process stand pressure from new pump. meanwhile, fema is struggling to keep up demand for bottled water as one john 8000 people become unable to rely on their own water from own faucets. obvious political contention as well. and tate reeves in jackson's democratic mayor chokwe into our la mamba period together in a press conference for the very first time this week. it was an effort to show unity that they were not standing side by side. the mamba has been warning state lawmakers about the crumbling water infrastructure for years. >> this has been a challenge that we have been lifting the entire time in office. and it's not a matter of if the systems will fail, but when the
4:51 am
systems will fail. >> governor reeves repeatedly opposing upgrades throughout his two years in office. and it into more pressing matters in his opinion like, blocking critical race theory from classrooms or banning transgender athletes from playing in high school sports to protect young girls. and he says because he's so passionate about women's rights, he could rule out a ban on contraceptives post roe. and i think his priorities are on track. thousands don't have drinkable water. and we have to make sure that the kids don't find out about racism. joining me now to discuss that in more as mississippi state senator so ali norwood. senator, understand your jackson, you are on the ground helping distribute water from the residents there. what is up unlike this week, and when can these people expect some relief. >> good morning, katie thank you for having us. absolutely it's been chaotic to say the least. because so much confusion and
4:52 am
finding water, a different location, but my folks have been in the position where they can go out and get water. their home bound, they can't get out, and the nursing home in the senior living facility specific homes to make sure that these individuals have access. one case of water and they had to be able to use this water we have all been advised that there is no end in sight. and i talk to the health department, they couldn't give us a name to talk to the governor. and nobody is given us a day. and i'm sure it's probably because it can't. >> as we mentioned the intro to our interview, calls for upgrades to the system in the infrastructure they went ignored for years. it's what republicans were focusing on culture war issues
4:53 am
and if they help them when all issues. what's your opinion on the fact that there have been misplaced priorities in this case. >> and we fought it, but at the end of the, day right. the priorities have gone unattended and we have made proposals and has constantly requiring -- in the proceeds mayor lumumba's administration. even back to the 60s and 70s. it's a small upgrade, a small repair being made. major repairs have not been made and the system got to a point that they will take as much as they can take. and we just want to thank god that they are making some progress so that we can get the citizens water as soon as we
4:54 am
can. i want to think that the congressman thompson and the white house for stepping into make sure the money that comes to the state will go to address these specific needs, as of late, we've had a reputation of sending money back. we want to make sure that these people to come to the state will go to address this need and help us to move into the right direction. >> and what needs to be done to be able to help the residents that you are trying to help yourself, and you are the boots on the ground right now, what is the message that you want to send to all of the people who are watching right now. >> by then working with a private nonprofit, community action agency in south central committee actually agency. they had been receiving water and meeting with them to this
4:55 am
water. and especially they are not able to wash their dishes anymore. it's so we are giving up plates, knives, forks, plastic, paper cups, so that when we get this water, they can order food, eat it, and put it away. and we are providing meals, home cooked meals in the future because some of our seniors, they were using water to cook their foods, but now they're not going to be focused on that. and we need to make sure that no mistakes are made because this water enters into your system is not dead. i actually got some in my -- today and i have problems with my eyes now. it's a challenge, but we are resilient and we will stay in the fight and we are going to win this, but i would like to
4:56 am
think that -- thank you in your network in the federal government stepping in to help us and provide a resource and we are in this for the long haul. apparently there's no short end in sight. >> this is a state senator selling or, would i think you as so many americans for making sure that the people in your district and throughout the state are going to be taken care of. we will be right back. it's the all-new subway series menu! 12 irresistible new subs... like #9 the champ. rotisserie style chicken double monterey cheddar. the champ is truly made for a champ. gee, thanks chuck. who said anything about you? it's subway's biggest refresh yet. ♪ ♪
4:57 am
this is the moment. for a treatment for moderate-to-severe eczema. cibinqo — fda approved. 100% steroid free. not an injection, cibinqo is a once-daily pill for adults who didn't respond to previous treatments. and cibinqo helps provide clearer skin and less itch. cibinqo can lower your ability to fight infections, including tb. before and during treatment, your doctor should check for infections and do blood tests. tell your doctor if you've had hepatitis b or c, have flu-like symptoms, or are prone to infections. do not take with medicines that prevent blood clots. serious, sometimes fatal infections, lymphoma, lung, skin and other cancers, serious heart-related events, and blood clots can happen. people 50 and older with heart disease risk factors have an increased risk of serious heart-related events or death with jak inhibitors. this is the moment. but we've only just begun. speak with your doctor about cibinqo today. an innovation from pfizer. speak with your doctor about cibinqo today. it's beautiful out here. it sure is.
4:58 am
and i earn 5% cash back on travel purchased through chase with chase freedom unlimited. that means that i earn 5% on our rental car, i earn 5% on our cabin. i mean, c'mon! hello cashback! hello, kevin hart! i'm scared. in a good way. i'm lying. let's get inside. earn big time with chase freedom unlimited with no annual fee. how do you cashback? chase. make more of what's yours. before we begin, i'd like to thank our sponsor, liberty mutual. they customize your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. and by switching, you could even save $652. thank you, liberty mutual. now, contestants ready? go! >> thanks for watching the why? why? only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty.♪
5:00 am
katie thing, holly back tomorrow live at 7 am eastern right here on msnbc. velshi starts right now. >> the name velshi, we now know the fbi recovered dozens of empty folders mark classified from mar-a-lago. where in the world are all the documents that should be in the folders. we will have the latest on the turning trump investigation. plus how michigan republicans are trying so far succeeding at blocking the statewide vote on whether to protect abortion rights. representative stacey plaskett, former prosecutor, former justice department official is here. she will join me right here in the studio right now during the show. republicans who do not worship at the altar at the twice impeached ex leader are subject to, ridicule threats, and worse. and they actually do exist in president biden's sweeping soul of the nation's speech, was afflicted with hope and
2,145 Views
IN COLLECTIONS
MSNBC West Television Archive Television Archive News Search ServiceUploaded by TV Archive on