>> thanks for watching the katie thing, holly back tomorrow live at 7 am eastern right here on msnbc. velshi starts right now. >> the name velshi, we now know the fbi recovered dozens of empty folders mark classified from mar-a-lago. where in the world are all the documents that should be in the folders. we will have the latest on the turning trump investigation. plus how michigan republicans are trying so far succeeding at blocking the statewide vote on whether to protect abortion rights. representative stacey plaskett, former prosecutor, former justice department official is here. she will join me right here in the studio right now during the show. republicans who do not worship at the altar at the twice impeached ex leader are subject to, ridicule threats, and worse. and they actually do exist in president biden's sweeping soul of the nation's speech, was afflicted with hope and optimism on that point.

where these mainstream republicans, and can they get organized to help the president from the other side. through this minister bravest of these team normal republicans joined me later in the show with those answers and more. velshi starts now. >> good morning, essentially some of the, third happy labor day weekend, i'm ali velshi, and this morning we are left with more questions than answers just today after a federal judge until they highly detailed inventory after items that were seized from mar-a-lago early next month. the court filing revealed that the fbi found -- folders with classified markings on them inside the former president's office in storage area inside the 40 golf club. government feels also wondering if the u.s. government has actually recovered the full scope of important documents from donald trump, and whether many of them remain missing posing a further threat to national security. all of this as we await a

decision from a judge as to whether she will request on trump's judge for something that requires a special master. an independent third party review of what was seized from mar-a-lago. nbc's monica alba is following all of these developments from the white house. good morning, monica what's the latest. >> good, morning we are learning much more about what was taken from former president trump's fuller home, including thousands of government documents that were recovered. a course of the department justice, mr. trump mixed in the nation's most sensitive information with items like clothing, gifts, and prescott clippings. do details raising more questions about what might be missing. >> this, morning a clear picture emerging of donald trump's mar-a-lago state. and a judge until eventually list in which the fbi said it recovered 48 empty folders march classified along with dozens more it's unclear the

contents are now their existence only revealed as part of the legal back and forth between the government and the former president. as his one-time attorney general bill barr slammed his handling of highly sensitive materials. >> people say that this was unprecedented, but it's also a precedent for president today called classified information, suggesting mr. prompt -- the facts are starting to show that they were checked around, and how long do they wait. >> the fbi says it retreats more than 11,000 government documents or photographs from mr. trump's residence. i might be, evidence 18 the documents more top secret, 54 secret, 31 labeled confidential. it all comes as a florida judge is expected to rule soon on importing a third special master to review the records and felt about privileged information. a request from the trump team, you on friday, blasted the fbi's actions as a smash and grab.

meanwhile, washington mr. trump's former white house counsel pat cipollone and his deputy patrick philbin appeared before a grand jury investigating the january 6th attack. another potential legal challenge for the 45th president. who will hold a rally tonight for wilkes-barre, pennsylvania. his first speech since the mar-a-lago search. and he continues to dangle the 2024 run and if elected again, possible pardons for those convicted in connection with the capitol riot. >> and ali, you saw those comments there from former attorney general bill barr, and he also talked a new york times on the question of the special master, and he told them some colorful language that i can't repeat here, but he said that i think it's a crock of blank, and, no i don't think a special master is called for. we'll be more context and color there as we await that ruling and he was not holding back on fox talking about this and this

is a guy who wrote an unsolicited letter to get the job of attorney general and did his bidding very late in the election on january six. monika, good to see you, i'll talk to you soon. >> and for what's at stake i will turn to some of the smartest people i've come to know and he's a pulitzer prize-winning washington correspondent for the new york times and an msnbc contributor with former u.s. attorney to michigan. legal analyst and bradley moss is a national security attorney and a partner at the law firm mark -- welcome to all of you and thank you for being with us. i actually want start with where monica left off. bill barr's comments and with fox news, he said he was very scathing with why the stuff was there, he was critical of the

justice department and letting it be there for some reason. and this is this question of the special master barbara, i want to ask you about this, and i want to ask you about what a special master is and why it is relevant. let's see what bill barr said about it. >> i think the whole idea of a special master is a bit of a red herring. even if it's subject to executive privilege, they still belong to the government. >> is there any legitimate reason for those materials to be in the president possession. >> now, i can't think of a legitimate reason as to why they should be taken out of the government, if they're classified. if taken thanks to the current, point they have good evidence. the facts are starting to show that they are jerked around. i think the drive on this from the beginning was the loads of classified information, sitting in mar-a-lago. people say this was unprecedented, but it's also president for the president to take all of the classified

information, but the minute country club. >> so let's ask about, this is the special master, the trump people are asking for a special master, what is it, and what influence would it have on what is currently happening. >> a special master is an independent person who reviews the material taken during the search and to filter out anything that needs to be privileged and doesn't need to be reviewed by the government and stay separate like attorney client privilege. when attorney's office a search, a filter team will be appointed to make sure that matters that relate to a third party client is complete and related to this matter and anything that is privilege. it just gets segregated and once that separation is, done everything else is turned over to the investigative team. here the reviews are already taking place. it would be futile to appoint a special master in the government has already reviewed all of this material. they did segregate out what

they perceive to be attorney-client privilege, with a filter team and mystery has been turned over to investigators. and what is intel for the special master is the fact that during the pending time of this motion, the government has not stopped his review. every day that goes, by the government continues to conduct its review. mostly the reason why a special master should fail, hear trump has been too late. it's been more than three weeks since they had this. the idea that you have a special master house kind of mood. now standing all of that, and it's not just limited legitimate with the executive branch itself that wants to montreal back. bradley, when you now see the inventory of what's in there, anything about what you were worried about were what you were thinking of, changed? >> no. nothing has changed. if anything, it reinforces the general concern, but aside potential criminal liability for the former president, from

a counter intelligence from a national security standpoint, this was incredibly reckless. we don't even know what was in those folders, those empty folders filed with classified panders. it could've been nothing, to be perfectly clear, but that's one of the first questions the fbi would be asking. what was in those folders, and what happens to those documents? why are there a bunch of these empty folders? why are their classified records sitting in the former president's office, in his desk? this is a major security risk. he has any number of people who come in and out of that place all the time. his own lawyers have gone on fox news and everything, a testing to all the people who come in and out of that room. it was a serious national security risk, and it continues to put him in grave criminal liability. >> and those are the distinctions, charlie savage, there is criminal liability because whatever the explanation is, those files probably shouldn't have been there. someone did something wrong. we just don't know, was it donald trump or somebody around him? put that aside for a second. that recklessness may have led,

or maybe leading to something else. there is a national security apparatus, do they have a full handle yet on what may have happened to the important information that was not supposed to be in public hands or in the hands of foreign leaders? do we know whether any damage has been done? >> we don't know yet. we do know the office of the director of national intelligence has launched a risk assessment to determine what would be the damage to national security, if any. if the information of these documents was compromised. we don't have the result of that yet. they launch that in part of a response to a request from members of congress, or they disclose it to members of congress that they have asked for it. i imagine that the end of that review, they will tell members of congress that it probably will then become public, at least, with the top line findings were. we have also launched a separate review in conjunction

with the justice department of the classification status of these documents, not just the hundred or so documents marked as classified that we've seen on the screen there, but also there were more than 11,000 government documents that were not marked as classified. does that mean they weren't classified? some of them, most of them, surely we're. that doesn't mean all of them were. they will be looking at all of those things to see what information was there, what was the danger or risk there, and also, interestingly, that could have some side information in telling us whether there's any evidence to support trump's claim last month but he had declassified everything that he happens to take out of the oval office with him. no credible evidence has emerged to support the existence of any standing order to do that, even if it was conceptually coherence, which it is not. his lawyers did not tell the justice department that these matters have been declassified back in may and june, according

to the filings scene that, indeed, his own lawyers in the courtroom have not repeated that claim and have conceded that whoever looks at these things, if there is a special master appointed, needs to have a very high security clearance indeed. it's another example, not unlike the big lie election fraud theme we saw at the end of last year, where in public, trump and his supporters are making claims that his lawyers are not willing to repeat in court, or they could face professional consequences for lying. >> i'm glad you pivoted to january six. donald trump has, as people are getting convicted, there was a very serious conviction the other day, the longest conviction yet of a former new york police department officer of ten years, for assaulting another officer. donald trump has started dangling the idea that if he were to become president again, he would pardon those people. let's listen to this. >> i will tell you, i will look very, very favorably about full

pardons. if i decide to run and if i win, and it will be looking very, very strongly about pardons. full pardons. >> well deserved. >> i think it's probably going to be the best, because if it's two months or six months, you know -- >> years and years. >> but we will be looking very, very seriously at full pardons, because we can't let that happen. what happens here, and i mean full pardons, with an apology just too many an apology. >> amen. full pardons with an apology. this is weird, undemocratic country stuff. this is unbelievable, the former president of the united states, who could be the next president of the united states, is actually saying these words. i lead and insurrection. you all got direct that for your pardon, and if you reerect me, perhaps i will pardon some of these people. >> not only is it profoundly disloyal to the united states, i also think it's very

strategic and even criminal. i think what he is saying is to all those people who might be facing charges for their role in january six don't worry about it. i'm going to get an office. and i'm going to make it okay for you. it is an unscented for them to not cooperate with the government. paul manafort got that treatment. paul manafort, he did not cooperate with the government. he went to prison, he got a significant prison sentence, and thought oh trump was able to pardon him at the end of the day on his way out the door. he did the same for roger stone and mike flynn was able to get his charges dismissed. i think that's what this is. it's dangling obstruction of justice. i think if he's not careful, it could amount to criminal charges. in robert mueller's report, he talked about these kinds of dangles of pardons for people like paul manafort, this potential obstruction of justice. of course, because he was a sitting president, he did not recommend criminal charges for that, but he's not a sitting president at the moment. i think this is potential additional criminal behavior, and it's really dangerous, because it gives an incentive for cooperators to shut up. >> i think three of you for

joining us this morning. charlie savage, new york times, washington correspondent barbara mcquade, for the united states attorney for the eastern district of michigan, and bradley, mohsen asheville attorney. i hope you enjoy the rest of your labor day weekend. thank you for being with us. >> still -- it's been six days without safe tap water for north of jackson, mississippi. what's most shocking about this crisis is everyone saw it coming. we are going live to jackson for the latest on have a city is grappling with the situation, plus, i'll be trying to retired army lieutenant general russell monterrey to talk about how it came to this, and what happens next. first, just a few hours away from the lift off. the la quinta will open at exactly 2:17 pm eastern time. we have live coverage of nasa's second attempt at the artemis one mission to the moon. we'll explore the cutting edge technology that made it all possible. >> i'm lindsey reiser and coming up, i will take you through the technology of annex generation rockets. it's going to usher in a new era of our space program. just one dose starts to relieve 9 of your worst cold and flu symptoms,

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of the apollo program, nasa shooting for the moon once again. in about six hours, that's expected to launch its space launch system mega rocket, the orion spacecraft, from the kennedy space center in florida. this is an uncrewed, 38-day test mission into deep space. it's called artemis 1, and assuming all goes as planned later today, it will mark a major milestone for nasa's artemis program, which aims to put the first woman and the first person of color on the moon as early as 2025. now, the launch was previously scheduled for monday, but it was called off over an engine cooling issue. the later from nasa as the two hour lift off window opening at 2:15 pm eastern today. msnbc's lindsey reiser is going to give us a closer look at the space launch system's cutting edge technology heading into space later today. >> we're going to give you a birds eye view of the rocket,

the signs to test our ability to go into deep space, with a vehicle built for humans. we'll show you around. the rocket has five main components, the engines, boosters, the core stage, upper stage, and the arion spacecraft. so, i'm on the bridge near. we are on a crude mission. astronauts will actually enter the capsule. but this mission is uncrewed. orion it's going to be on for up to 42 days and go back faster and hotter than ever before. to give you some perspective, this rocket isn't as tall as apollo saturn, which put man on the moon, but it generates 15% more thrust. you can also see how the space shuttle and the statue of liberty compare. let's give you an idea of where orion we'll be going. about two minutes into the launch, the boosters are going to fall off a drop into the atlantic ocean. then, the core stage will separate. that also is going to drop off in the pacific, and then, orion will unfurl its own solar panels. so, orion no longer needs

battery power. it can produce its own power. now, ali, i want to show you a little bit more about that. in order for awry and leave earth orbit, something big has to happen. that's a trans lunar injection. this is about a 20 minute burn. it's going to put orion on a trajectory where it will be traveling faster than a bullet from a high powered rifle. this gets orion on a lunar trajectory, and eventually, orion it's going to be in distant retrograde around to the moon. nasa is actually going to lose connection with orion when it's on the far side of the moon. we are going to get pretty close to the moon. it's going to get about 60 miles away from the surface. it's going to do that for about a week, and then in order to get back to earth, on a trajectory, we will use help from lunar gravitational pull, lunar gravity assist. at the same time, orion will fire its own engines. it's about a four-day coast back to earth. they will target a thin layer atmosphere around earth's atmosphere. you get into the pacific ocean. so, we've been talking about this incredible rocket. let's go over some of the components. the engines. these are the most efficient ever built. these rocket boosters, each one

is 17 stories tall, and each one generates more thrust than 14 jumbo airliners. so, then we have the court stage. this is what they are filling up with hydrogen right now. this is the backbone for the rocket. the upper state it's what's going to propel ryan once these other compounds drop off, like we just show you. and, this spacecraft. it's fit for four, previous models were only fit for three. it's already been subjected to some of the extreme conditions. it's really a test for the heat shield, which we know. you see this upper stage right here, this is actually going to be housing some hitchhikers. they are called cuba's deaths. they are little satellites deployed throughout the mission. shoe box size, world class science experiment. just to give you an idea of a few, the lunar ice cube. this is going to be looking for resources around the moon. we also have a deep space biology experiment. this is the newest scout. it will unfurl its own solar panel, and it's going to propel itself to a small asteroid the size of a school bus. pretty incredible stuff. it all goes to plan, splash

down around mid-october. >> for people who aren't as into this stuff, what -- >> there are people who aren't into this? >> there might be a few. watching this thing launch, if it launches, it's going to be bigger than any launching ever watched. it is a massively powerful rocket. it's not even like we're used to, with shuttle launches, which are one of the most amazing things i've ever seen. it's going to be loud. it's going to be big. it's part of why they need clear weather, because i have to be able to watch this thing for as long as they can to make sure everything is okay. does it look like weather is an issue today? >> it doesn't look like weather, i know we know the window, the weather gets better and better the later that two hour window is. there was a small issue today with refilling some of that hydrogen. it looks like that's been cleared up and all systems are still go. >> let us hope. lindsey, thank you for this amazing, the graphics and the story you did, it helps us understand that. everybody be tuned in for this thing. lindsey reiser in studio for us. right after the break, a searing assessment for trump is

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politics were normal, a major political party would lose an election, the parties leader would spend some time looking inward, reflecting on what went wrong, how that could've brought more voters to their side, convinced more like-minded voters to turn out. they think about the mystic safe made. they've strategized about how to fix them for the next time, but these are not normal times. the gop today, more resembles a trumpist colt than a modern american political party.

there was no reflection when they lost in 2020. there was a big lie, and an attempt a coup, a violent insurrection at the u.s. capital. the job of conducting a 2020 republican postwar was left journalists. i want to turn today to one of those postmortems. it's a documentary called lies, politics, and democracy. it's an investigation, and not to think of a political party that willingly allowed itself to be captured by a demagogue who subverted democratic norms at every turn. the two hour special is a powerful indictment of republican leaders who tried to trade democracy in the rule of law for political power that drew which drink from a cauldron of paranoia, races of conspiracism, and violence. it -- the act as a republican party that continually look the other way as a twice impeached president who referred to neo-nazis as, my people, empowered the most anti-democratic and racist elements of the party, leading to the political violence that was unleashed on the nation's capital on january the 6th.

the film relies heavily on interviews with renowned political scientist, journalists, and key figures in the conservative movement who sounded the alarm about maga republicans well before january six. here's a clip. >> you might see one of these prominent republicans come on the air and deliver a fire and brimstone speech. >> if president trump won this election, so everyone who's listening, to not be quiet. do not be silent about this. we cannot -- >> and you might ask yourself, do they really believe this? and the answer, in almost every case, it's no. they don't believe it. >> i never once thought to anyone who believed any of this carnage. 99.9%, almost, of congressmen and women in the republican party know the election wasn't

stolen. they're just too cowardly to say it. frankly, in a republic, that's frightening. >> to be a small lead democrat means to lose elections, and a democratic sea can't survive into -- the loud losers to come back and fight another day. so, if the losers deny that they have lost, the system can't endure. >> the dates discussed this groundbreaking film is a director, michael kirk. yes one numerous awards for his work in journalism, including for peabody awards and 16 emmys. michael, good to see you. thank you for joining us today. i want to just keep on polling on that threat we just talked about, the idea that donald trump's ascendance lies in the hands of republicans who willingly look the other way. they were able to, through him, a chief power for a conservative movement, and as a result, they ignored what he had to say. tell me more about this. it seems obvious, but you

really dug into that and realized it to be true. >> you know, of all the films we've made about trump in the last six years, which is more than ten, i think, we kept waiting to do the big one. the big one is, of course, what happens with the republican party. why did the republican establishment make the faustian bargain with donald trump? what was in it for them? how did they do it? did they know any better? should they have known any better? and somebody i talked to said, if you're going to do that, you've got to name names. you've got to take us inside the details of how it happened. so, from o'connell, brian, mccarthy, pence, cruz, lindsey graham, we were trying to show what they did and didn't do as part of that faustian bargain. >> let's just play a little of it from the documentary. we already played a bit, but i want to play a section that talks about the acquiescence of some of these leaders. >> with trump's emerging embrace of authoritarian behavior, a moment of decision

for republicans. >> they had a choice. they could have taken steps to prevent trump's nomination. or, if that seemed illegitimate, because he won the primary, they could have renounced him. they could have refused to endorse him. the republican party was the one group of individuals with the power to isolate trump. >> some tried. >> trump is a phony. a fraud. his promises are as worthless as a degree from trump university. >> this is the party of abraham lincoln, this is not the party of david duke thoughtful trump. >> but most republican leaders didn't. >> it was vertigo inducing, because it showed me that either i had gone crazy, or everybody else had gone crazy. >> mona terrence conservative credentials were earned in the reagan white house. she was surprised by what she was seeing among republicans. >> i didn't know what world

that was living in. it felt really alice in wonderland-esque. the things i thought were solid were not, and it was really disorienting. >> now, the interesting thing about this is you saw it all happen. people know it's happening. republicans don't know what's happening. there are people in power in the republican party, some who get it. do you see any likelihood that this changes? >> as long as what they are about is keeping the bargain, even loyalty to trump, because they were stunned by what the president called the maga republicans, they were stunned that there are millions of people who are ready to vote republican and that somebody told us the definition of a politician is, i want to be reelected. that's what they do. they're in the business of getting reelected, and if the republicans, the calculation they've made us they want to get reelected, they have to

sign on with donald trump even in the face of their own knowledge that the big lie is a big lie, and even in the aftermath of january six. that's one of the most amazing moments in the film, i think, is when kevin mccarthy goes back down to mar-a-lago and 14 days later, and he takes that infamous photo with donald trump, and one by one, the pilgrimage begins from people of lindsey graham and ted cruz -- >> amazing to watch. >> yeah. there they go, they are they. are you look at it and say, how is this possible? and how it's possible is they want to be reelected. >> it's amazing. you've done a great job of this, michael. good to see you. thank you for being with us. michael kirk, new film, the four frontline is lies, politics, & democracy. it premieres on pbs on tuesday. coming up, officials from the un nuclear watchdog agency are

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independent inspectors to assess the damage at the plant after both the ukrainian and russian forces says the plant was hit by shelling during combat. on friday, the iaea chief, rafael grossi, said his team was able to see everything they asked for. he said they'd be issuing a safety report early next week. this is video of the inspectors arriving. it's been released by russian tv outlets. ukraine's president, zelenskyy, expressed that the russians were in going to allow the independent team to do an impartial investigation. nbc's jay gray has been following the story. he's in zaporizhzhia right now. jay, tell me about this. there's some conflict about both whether they have all the access they needed, what they saw, and fundamentally, the big important question is, the condition of that actual plant. >> yeah, no, you're absolutely right. let's start with what you were just talking about. the infect years or saying that they have been given free rein, that they can go wherever they want. when the, asked they can be kept taken to an area intern everything. what we've learned over the weekend as the soldiers inside

that plant, when it comes to those inspectors, withdrawn and really not speaking to them, not saying anything, just staying out of the way. we've also learned through these inspectors about the real tension between the ukrainian workers still running the plant and the russian soldiers that now occupy it. they have said repeatedly that this is a very difficult mission psychologically for those running the plant. now, we've heard firsthand from those who have seen that. also firsthand and first blush from inspectors, as they walked in, clear damage inside the plant. >> jake, thank you. good to see you there. let us know as things develop. jake gray is live in zaporizhzhia, ukraine. coming up, it's a crisis everyone saw coming. it's been six days without clean drinking water for the residents of jackson, mississippi. they've been warning this was on the horizon for much longer.

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heavy rains lead to major flooding in jackson that cost pumps at local water treatment plants to fail. officials say there's not enough water pressure to fight fires, flush toilets, or meet other critical needs. the city already had a boil water notice in effect for over a month, making it now even more difficult for people to cook, bathe, and brush their teeth. hundreds of mississippi's national guardsmen have been deployed into the community, handing out bottled water and hand sanitizer, and they had fema. diane kirsten has been on the ground there as well. right now, the situation is dire in jackson. but the city's mayor says reliable water service is still days away. nbc's bracey harris is in jackson, mississippi, reporting on the crisis. good morning to you. this situation is making since the mayor called for a state of emergency, but mississippi was supposed to receive more than $44 million to the next five years in biden's infrastructure deal that was made last year. yet, we are in the situation today. what went wrong? >> well, good morning, ali.

jackson residents have been bracing for something like this. boil water notices, outages, those have just been a routine occurrence here. there's a lot of excitement about the bipartisan infrastructure deal that passed last year. mississippi is a poor state with a lot of infrastructure problems. the problem is, ali, though, is that there is red tape. it takes time for that money to get out the door. cities and counties have to come up with plans and they have to give those plans to push out the funds. again, all of that has time, all of that takes time that jackson really doesn't have right now. and even then, it's unclear if jackson's share with the enough to fix all of this. jackson's mayor, chokwe antar lumumba, says it could cost billions of dollars to resolve the city's water problems. we don't have a final tally yet on how much it would cost to fix the water treatment plant that's the root cause of this, but what we do know is it's unlikely that jackson's portion

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report from the city of jackson, mississippi. the capital city, the largest city in the state. the place where residents are now living in a state of emergency with no clean water. unacceptable for this crisis to be unfolding on this scale and a major american city. i want to talk to somebody who knows about this masters and systemic failure and chaos in major american cities, and how to fix it. joining us now is the fix it guys, the retired u.s. army lieutenant general russell honoré, back in 2005, after he was called in by then president george w. bush to manage the response to hurricane katrina. he became known around the world as the john wayne dude who gets stuff done. he was then called in after january six to deal with the security around the capital. general, good to see you, my friend. thank you for being with us

this morning. >> good morning,. sir >> let's talk about this. you don't think these infrastructure failings that you and i have talked about over the years, starting with katrina and houston with the flooding, and flint, and all of this stuff. you agree they shouldn't even be started in 2022, let alone have trouble getting them remedy. >> yes. over the years, infrastructure has decayed. we saw it in katrina. the pumps that were designed to pump the water at the city were built in the 1930s. the underground system carried the sewer and water in new orleans was over 50 years old. some of them were made out of clay and would. today, 25% of the water cleaned in new orleans for the drinking water is lost through the pipes, which is endemic across the country. old pipes that they're trying to repair, and when you lose the pressure as a result of the

storm, like this flooding, that disrupted the water plant, those pipes lose presser and the sewer water, street water, to gets into the pipe and balloons the water system. 145,000 public water systems in america, over 35 to 40% of them are at risk. in louisiana, up to 1250 water systems we have, over 450 are at risk. this is a national security issue for our nation. our water systems need to be rebuilt, and people are confused because the taxes you pay do not pay for water. you pay for water with your water bill. that's how it's funded. >> one of the issues is that none of this is sexy stuff to talk about, right? electricity infrastructure, road infrastructure, and water infrastructure. we talk about roads when a bridge collapses. we talk about power when a grid fails. we talk about water when a city floods and doesn't have

drinking water. on one hand, it's just bad planning, because infrastructure is the kind of thing we should be planning for for 100 years. on the other hand, every one of those examples you gave me and every example you and i have talked about about failed infrastructure in america has something in common. low wealthy people and people of color. >> it's exacerbated in the poor communities, because particularly with water, a try to keep prices low. they pay about $20 for water in jackson. the epa estimated seven years ago, when we were dealing with the failure of water in st. joe, which we had to replace the entire system for 500 people, it cost $10 million. had to get clean pipes, new system put in. when you look at the impact of what people pay, it cost about $32 to get clean water to your front door. so, people get confused, because in many places in the

south, they combine your water bill, your -- and your wastewater, your sewage bill in one. so you pay 70 to $80 and you think, i'm paying a lot of money for water! they're not. if you're not paying at least $32, that water system is not sustainable. >> but no one will win an election by saying, you pay 20 bucks for water, it should be 32. you pay this much for electricity, it should be. this you pay this much for wastewater, it should be this. it's just -- not we are in a weird political system as it is, but even 15 years ago in 25 years ago, when all of politics wasn't broken, nobody ever ran an election on i'm going to fix your infrastructure. how do we fix that? they call guys like you every time something goes wrong and says, fix it! but you can't fix the pipes! you can fix people who are stranded in their house. you can't fix pipes, you can't fix a power line. you can't fix trains. you can't fix dams. >> unfortunately, only when the cameras leave, it becomes another issue that local governments got to deal with. we need a management program, a

national program to rebuild our water infrastructure, because as we see unfolding injection, it's a crisis. people could die for a lack of clean water, and those who are locked in their home and don't have the means to go get it, and got in the local politicians are working hard with people, and i'm on my way up to jackson this morning once we finish this interview to check in on my friends with the cajun neighborhood and the red cross that are on the ground trying to help people. but that being said, we have to fix our water infrastructure. it is time for the united states government to put together commissions to determine a way for every public water system to be read on, to be rebuilt. we've been fixing things. it is time for us to repair and replace, replace water systems, not just fix it. every 45 seconds, a waterline breaks in america. this is ridiculous. it's time for us to fix this. yesterday in louisiana, new

orleans had 6000 people on -- water, shreveport, the entire city. jacksonville had a good part of its city under water. it's time to fix the water infrastructure, and that came about the clean drinking water act in the 1970s that mandated this. now, all those pipes have deteriorated. unfortunately, jackson is bringing it to everybody's attention, and citizens need to go to the public meetings at the county and parish level in city and say, what are we doing to replace our water lines? >> that last sentence applies to everything in politics today. citizens need to go to their local meetings. could be city council meetings, could be water board meetings, could be school board meetings, could be anything. get involved in how your place is governed. general, could see you again. thank you for being with. us thank you for what we're doing. maybe we could talk to us from jackson when you're up there. lieutenant general russell honoré, former joint task commission to katrina. coming up, democratic senator

casey plaskett is going to join me in person to discuss the latest trump developmental why member of her former party, and the gop, actually, are calling out president biden over his soulful nation address. plus, by which again republicans are afraid to even elect their fellow citizens vote on abortion and have a might succeed on blocking the vote on a technicality. another hour of velshi begins, right. now. hey, good morning. it's saturday, september 3rd. happy labor day weekend to all of you, i'm ali velshi. this weekend, we've got a much clearer picture of what the fbi seized from mar-a-lago last month. on friday, a federal judge unsealed the justice department inventory lists, which lays out just what the fed seized from the ex florida residents and golf club. according to the 11-page inventory, there are 27 boxes containing more than 100 classified documents. some of them located in a room referred to as trump's 45 office. at mar-a-lago, the rest found

it a nearby storage room in the club. but why maybe of more interest as what investigators did not find. the court filing says the bureau also ceased 48 empty folders marked as classified. the crucial question becomes, where are the documents that should have been in those folders? abc news white house correspondent kelly o'donnell has the scoop. >> unsealed by the court today, this detailed property list raises new questions about what happens to classified records at mar-a-lago. 48 folders with classified markings inside the former president's office, and storage area, were empty when the fbi searched. another 42 empty folders indicated the contents had to be returned to a military aid. where are the government secrets that might have been inside? and no. the fbi did seize more than 103 classified records, up to top secret level found in the office and storage room. the