that's it for this saturday, i am julian castro, in for alicia menendez. i will see back tomorrow for more american voices. but for now, i handed over to my colleague, ayman mohyeldin. hello, ayman. >> hey, julian, it's good to see you again, enjoy the rest of your evening. hello to everyone, welcome to ayman. newly unsealed inventory from the mar-a-lago search shows dozens of empty folders mark classified. plus making history in alaska. i will speak with the states first endogenous member of congress, mary peltola. and then a crisis in jackson, mississippi. an entire city without any clean drinking water. i am ayman mohyeldin, let's get started. ♪ ♪ ♪ so, as we learned more about

when former president trump had in his possessions, we have to start wondering is mar-a-lago just the beginning. late is the day, u.s. district judge aileen cannon moved to unseal inventory of all items recovered during the fbi search of trump's palm beach resort. we now know that federal agents found over ten dozen governments -- documents and photographs without classification markings. they were strewn across mar-a-lago, allegedly stashed and boxes alongside newspaper clippings, magazines, random articles of all kinds of things, including clothing, white house shot skis and who knows what else. fbi agents also recovered 45 empty folders that were marked classified, along with another 42 empty folders labeled return to staff secretary, military aid. all of that from mar-a-lago. who knows where the classified

material is now? we don't know. perhaps, they are sitting under a pile of five irons in bedminster or lodged between couch cushions in a trump tower penthouse summer. this comes as it becomes increasingly apparent that the department of justice and its prosecutors are honing in on and obstruction case. the comingling of trump's personal effects with classified materials is clear relevant evidence of the statutory offenses under investigation. mainly obstruction here. prosecutors are arguing that it is becoming more and more clear that trump and his attorney sought to mislead investigators about the sincerity and thoroughness of their effort to identify efforts to return highly sensitive records to the government. after all, if they were making an earnest effort to send these documents back with the fbi and others ask for them, what did trump notice brightly labeled classified documents in his desk drawer? would he be alarmed by the

sight of top secret markings next to issues of time magazine in his office? >> one would think anybody who sees top secret documents would be worried about the. joining me now to break all this down is tracy walter, former fbi agent, carol lam and cynthia alksne, both msnbc analyst and former federal prosecutors. good to have all three of you. tracy walder, i would like to start with you. in this particular revelation from this newly unsealed inventory. how does this list deep in our understanding about what trump at at mar-a-lago and also how he was keeping those materials? >> thank you so much for having me ayman. i think it is twofold. the first thing that came out of this to me is how deeply concerning it is that there are no documents in some of these folders, which really signals to me one, we need to find these documents and, to the

damage potentially already been done. again, i am just hypothesizing here, but you have folders of this nature that are not and don't have the documents supposed to be contained in them, that is a significant cause for concern because the reality is, we don't necessarily have a system to check those in and to check those out. another thing that really stood out to me was that some of these secret and top two were documents were actually found inside of his desk and not in a storage facility that his attorneys have been talking about which is where they were supposed to be keeping some of those documents. >> cynthia, trump's lawyers, they continue to run with this narrative that trump refused to return all this classified and top secret materials is effectively akin to him being late to returning library books. there are coming up with all kinds of excuses but, basically, nothing that is of consequence through the national security of this country. what do you make of that as a

legal strategy? >> the one thing we know about trump's lawyers is that there is one strategy in the courtroom and one strategy out of the courtroom. out of the courtroom, they say all kinds of things, the classification, this ridiculous this and fantasy. in the courtroom, they are doing the library books but not the declassification. that has been the way that they had done things. that is what giuliani did. he already said that there was election fraud and then when he went into a courtroom, you tell the judge, no, we are not talking about fraud. that is one thing that is confusing about the lawyers. the problem for the lawyers is, they gave the department of justice an affidavit and also spoke to the department of justice a big fat lie. they said we have searched the storage room, there are only documents in the storage room, and there are not any more documents. that is not true. all of those things are false. they had not searched there are lots of documents, and they were not all in the storage room. these lawyers had to be very

careful about what they do next, particularly the two there at the search for spoke to the fbi agents, because they may well be witnesses or even possibly codefendants, if they don't watch their piece and accuses are cooperating with the government. >> carol, yesterday, on this network, former fbi agent peter strzok weighed in on the search. i want to play for you and our viewers his remarks, and then i will get your thoughts to them. listen. >> the way increasingly i think about this is not so much a case of mishandling classified information with elements of obstruction but more of a case of obstruction with elements of mishandling classified information. what do you think of that reproach when you are first for a little bit and think of this as an obstruction case with elements of mishandling of national security or classified information? >> i think what agent struck was trying to say is that if

the former president had a couple of days -- and told that you have a lot of documents that you left behind or turn back over to the intelligence community, and he had said, oh my goodness, you are right, here they are, and he turned everything over. it would not really have gotten to this point. of course, it would not have gotten to this point where there is a potential criminal case to be brought. what has happened in the intervening couple of year where the former president has not cooperated, has been playing games, engaging in this cat and mouse and has really shown absolute no regard for the protocols behind keeping these classified documents, that is what agent stroke is saying. he is saying, now that the former president has got himself into a real pickle because he has shown himself -- he has walked into potential crimes here that he simply

would not have been in the situation, if he had cooperated from the outset. remember that these classification particles were not only top to get documents or any defense oriented documents they exist for a reason. they exist to give no discretion to the people who are processing them. you won't know discussion because you want no margin of error for what happens with these documents. >> tracey, i want to play for you some remarks from attorney general bill barr, who was the attorney general under trump. he made these comments on fox, and then i will get your reactions, watch. >> people say that this was unprecedented. well, it's also unprecedented for a president to take all this classified information and put it in a country club, okay? how long is the government going to try to get that back. they jaw bone for a year. they were deceived when voluntary actions are taken.

they then gotten a subpoena and were deceived on that, they feel. and the facts are starting to show that they were being jerked around. how long do they wait? >> do you think trump showed a play in disregard for u.s. law as well as u.s. national security interests that people like the attorney general, perhaps other members of the gop might start to turn on him? >> i absolutely think that he should have -- shown to play in disregard for national security. i think he already had a disregard for the national security apparatus, really as early as his early campaign days. he was throwing them under the bus and did not seem to have a full understanding in terms of the particles that are in place. he was asked to keep elements of the pence eventual brief -- i think the bigger question for me is, yes he railroaded the fbi every chance he had to not

give these documents back. to me, the bigger question is why? he had so many opportunities to return these documents, three really. what really got to the point that they had to come in, and this is highly unusual. i never had to do something like that, and i was a fbi agent out of the l.a. office. we dealt with a lot of high-profile folks but never the president of the united states. he has been given a lot of difference in this. i really think that it's the why that is so important here. >> tracey carroll, cynthia, please stay with us. we have a lot more to discuss. still ahead, trump launches wagner at the justice department, accidentally pointing it right back at himself. i will explain that to you after the break. after the break. age is just a number. and mine's unlisted. try boost® high protein with 20 grams of protein for muscle health. versus 16 grams in ensure high protein.

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alleged to commit. he immediately took issue of the appearance of this doj photo of secret documents taken at mar-a-lago. trump posted that they took them out of car and spread them around on the carpet, making it look like a big find for them. let me see if i can get the straight here for a second. he not only knew that he had classified documents at his beach club in violation of the presidential records act, but also, where they were and how they were stored? that's directly at odds with a sworn statement from his legal team. i guess it is called truth social for a reason. we are back with tracy walder, carol lam and cynthia alksne. i cannot make this up, carroll. how significant could these truth social posts proved to be in trump's ongoing legal battles? the fact that he is saying that they were in boxes and essentially acknowledging that he had them in his position.

>> by way a background, let me start by saying that this -- all of this litigation had been about control, it's been about who gets to control this investigation. is it the department of justice? is it the former president? is it the court? inevitably gagen, i think tracy and cynthia would agree with me, it's the department of justice that ultimately gets to control the investigation because they are the ones that ultimately get to decide whether to bring charges or not. the second point is important because this by all that, the justice department is not to be here. they don't want to be in a position where they're at to expose parts of the investigation. it's not normal, they're not used to it, they don't like it. that being said, what the former president is doing on his social media platform is he is severely handicapping his ultimate defense team. he's putting them in a position of not being able to take certain positions that they would perhaps like to take,

maybe saying that he did not know about these documents, or something like that. they have made it very difficult -- he has made it very difficult to take those positions in the future. no defense attorney wants a client that is difficult to control and that is what they have in the courtroom personally. >> yeah and we know that trump is notorious for these types of social media posts that get him into trouble. cynthia, former federal prosecutor renato mariotti actually tweeted his reaction to those truth social posts, basically saying that trump had just a minute to evidence of his own guilt. he kind of compared to a defendant taking issue with a fbi photo showing bricks of cocaine on the floor of his residence, instead of in karen's. do you see in the same way as well? >> i definitely see it the same way. good on him, keep posting. somebody give his twitter account back, i just love it.

it's definitely an admission against interest, which is admissible in the court which can go to the grand jury and which will help inform the justice department as they go forward and make a charging decision. remember as fun as this is, because it's so incredibly stupid to admit that you know exactly that you had the documents and knew where they were. remember what is out there still we are waiting to hear. that is the department of justice having evidence that documents removed that things were concealed, that the obstruction was going forward and we don't know about that yet. i am hoping that the president gets a twitter account and helps us out a little bit tells us what he did with the documents. he knew there was a subpoena. >> tracey, there are extremely important intel gathering methods and sources that trump sprawled around his desk straws and a closets at mar-a-lago. could he face ramifications for this? not just the fact that he may be obstructing justice but the fact that he allowed national

security to be so easily accessible on his property? >> so yes i know, i think that is an excellent question. i think that part is going to be difficult to prove, quite frankly. look, i absolutely think that he had those documents to either sell or weaponize them in some shape or form could benefit himself. however, finding the person at the under and that document is going to be incredibly difficult. i think that is where the sticking point will be. i think absolutely people died as a result of these documents being out there and the national secret of being out there, these human assets potentially being compromise. i think it's going to be very difficult to prosecute, which is when i put my fbi hat back on and realize that obstruction is going to be the easier way to go here. >> carol, have trump's lawyers presented any arguments in your opinion in court that have some weight behind him?

>> i have not really seen that yet. it's not to say that they won't have -- won't be able to pull something out of the hat at the end of the day, but nobody is coming to the former presidents defense outside of his own legal team, even as you pointed out earlier, former attorney william barr who is a staunch defender of presidential and executive authority, says this is just not acceptable. he called it an abuse. he said that presidents don't take documents through their country club. so, i am not seeing a legal theory that protects the president in this case, the former president. the only thing that might have flown at one point of time's lack of knowledge or lack of intent, but that is getting whittled away pretty clearly there as he pointed out, his social media posts and the manner in which these documents were maintained. some of them in his desk drawer

with his passports. >> cynthia, where do you think the investigation stands now. obviously, we know that the search has happened, the documents, we know that there were issues trying to be played out in the courts with disappointment of a special master pick yourself into the doj for a moment and give me what is happening behind the scenes right now and when if at all we could possibly expect an indictment? >> i don't think anything will happen at all until after the first year. there is a huge amount of investigation that has to go, and it is on two tracks. one, it is the defense damage assessment which is the most important thing, really. what can we do to protect the secrets of our country and the people who are out there risking their lives, because, of course, we know that putin and china have been walking around hiring cleaning people to work at mar-a-lago since the president got back. you just assume that has happened, and that the secrets are gone. we had to figure that out.

that is one prong. at the department of justice, they have to figure out to the best they can, to uncover everything about the obstruction. they may need to flip a lawyer or two. they need to figure out who was in those rooms, who helped move the documents, how do you know those documents got there, who has touched those documents to the extent that they possibly can? they have hours and hours of fbi hours to do, and what probably needs to happen, it astico quiet for a while. the country can be focused on the election, and, quite frankly, how the republicans have made women second-class citizens in this country. the country can be focused on the election, and at some point after the first of the year, i will expect we hear something from the attorney general. >> interesting, cynthia alksne, carol lam, tracy walder, banks to the three of you for joining us tonight. i greatly appreciate your insights. still ahead,

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important history. on wednesday, mary peltola, a democrat, won the special election for the states loan congressional seat. peltola will become the first alaskan native of congress sent first democrat to hold that seat in five decades. the election was also the inaugural test of the states new rank choice voting system. in the end, peltola be a republican sarah palin with 50% of the second round vote. the one is the latest of a string of democrat special election successes. we should note that it is not over just yet. peltola and helen are set for a rematch in november, where they will compete in the regular scheduled election for a full congressional to your term. joining me now is congresswoman

elect mary peltola, thank you so much congresswoman-elect for making time this evening. you faced an uphill battle in this election, coming in fourth during the primary and being outspent by palin 4 to 1, and yet you still emerged victorious in the end. take me back to that moment that you won, and tell us what you think it says about the democrats chance come november? >> it was a lot of shock and amazement actually because when we started out in april, we were a field of 48, and then that was narrowed down to four, and then it became for three with the independent redrawing and the last few months or so, i have been in the race with to republicans. but my takeaway has been that the person who is most negative in his campaigning received the fuse votes, and the person who really tried to stay on the messaging and the issues that

alaskans care about the most receive the most votes. >> let's talk about what alaskans the care about. the supreme court decision on abortion since that decision, democrats have a performed expectations and special elections. based on what you heard from your voters and constituents, what role did national issues like the dobbs ruling play in their decision, do you think? >> i think tops played a very big part in it. people will be surprised to know the alaska is 60 to 65% pro-choice. we are very covenants of our freedoms and privacy, and i think that this issue really does matter to people. another issue that matters to people that i talked to in alaska was preservation of democracy, civility, respectfulness, being able to live in a country where we do have civil discourse. those are just a couple of

things that were top of my mind for a lot of alaska voters. let me ask you about some of the broader lessons that perhaps democrats can learn from and how you ran your campaign. alaska is a traditionally red state. in fact, 5:38 party lean magic predicts it is about 15 percentage points rather than the nation as a whole. what's your advice to other democratic candidates battling in red districts come december? >> i think it is just really stay on your message. my campaign at four planks, pro jobs, pro families, pro fish and pro choice. >> fair enough. let me ask you about the mechanism of this particular election, sincere victory, alaska's right choice voting system has come under attack from republicans. palin previously railed against the process, calling it a, quote, whack system that must

be changed. tom cotton, the senator from arkansas weighed in on it. he called it a scam to rig elections. what is your response to these politicians attacking a system specifically instituted and chosen by alaska voters? >> well, we did vote on this as a ballot initiative two years ago. i myself, i personally voted in favor of it by a very optimistic about the prospects of rank choice voting. i think getting away from partisan primaries, where candidates are trying to out-republican or are democrat each other, and we end up with candidates who win, who are very fringe sometimes candidates. and really hard over on ideologies and unable to work on consensus and collaboration and negotiation. i think that really has driven us to the point where we are not able to have civil

discourse. i think that rank choice voting gives us the opportunity for moderate candidates like myself, middle of the road candidates, who probably would not survive a partisan primary, really an avenue to speak directly to middle of the road electorate. i think most alaskans and most americans are middle of the road voters. >> as i mentioned, he will have to go through this rematch, if you will, all over again come november for the full congressional term. the political report movie alaska seat rating from likely republican to toss-up. how are you gearing up for november's rematch? >> well, we will take a very close look at the results from the primary and see where we need to reach out to more alaskan voters, but i am going to continue with my messaging about working for alaskans, for all alaskans. we have an enormous date. there are six different very distinct regions of our state.

i will be working very hard and all those distinct regions to make sure that i am listening to alaska voters and making sure that they understand i want to work for all alaskans. >> i wanted to ask you quickly about the symbolic significance of your victory as the first alaskan and native american to win a seat in congress. talk to me about that on a personal level. what does that mean to you? >> i am alaskan native. i am an eskimo from the western coast of alaska, and i am very proud to be alaska native. of course, the state is very diverse. the community of anchorage, the anchorage school district, they have 92 languages spoken within the homes within the anchorage school district. it shows us that we are very diverse, very cosmopolitan, but we have a common future. alaska native people are very holistic. when we talk about community wellness, we talk about every

person in our community in the alaskan community. it's an honor, and it's an honor to work for all alaskans. i am truly blessed and very grateful to have been chosen to fill out the remainder of congress men young's term. >> i was going to say, i think it's something that all america can benefit from, this holistic approach. congresswoman carol lam -- mary peltola, i look forward to speaking to you in the months ahead. coming up, why trump's bigger embrace of qanon's new and quite alarming for disinformation experts. nformation experts

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trump went on a qanon field posting spree. he posted over 60 times in a single morning on his social media platform called truth social. in fact, in one case, he re-posted the qanon's token, where we go one we go all. and another one, he re-posted this image of himself with the words, the deep state whisper to president trump, you cannot withstand a storm. the president whispered back, i and a storm. trump has spent years refusing to condemn qanon. in fact, he has hinted to its support, but this is honestly his most active embrace of a group that has been classified as a domestic terrorist threat by the fbi. joining me now is mike rothschild, author of the storm

is upon us, how the qanon became a movement, cult and conspiracy theory of everything. mike, it's good to have you back on the show. thank you for joining us. we had you on a couple of weeks ago to talk about extremism in a more abstract way, but now we have a former president, i would argue directly embracing qanon. that seems to meet a new threshold. how dangerous is this week of what the president posted about qanon? >> thanks for having me back. this recent qanon is a warm gooey hug to all these people who have spent years upon years worshipping him as this messy figure. he has retreated qanon quite a few times, well over 300 times, when he had a twitter account. it was a couple of weeks after the first queue dropped that he retweeted something -- it was never quite at this

volume or intensity. he would do it once here, once they're, maybe twice in a day, never like this. never 60 or 70 times in the course of a long morning. this is an escalation in his embrace of the movement. >> the scary thing is that qanon has been identified by the fbi as a domestic terror threat. i have to ask, what does this mean for the movement that the former president is promoting so openly? he may have his own political motivations, i am not sure he is a believer, he may be. at the end of the day, this is going to get the movement, in their own eyes and those on the fringes, a sense of legitimacy. >> it really does. it legitimize is what these people believe. it is an approval of it, a pat on the head and a good job, and i got your back. we will do this together. it is the stuff that makes qanon so appealing to the people who have fallen into it, this idea of affirmation and accomplishment. we will take the deep state

down together. what most of these conspiracy theories traditionally were was that the president was the head of the snake. this is somebody installed by the new world order or whatever, and the patriots, we have to fight back, no one will help us, we have to do it ourselves. to have a former president be the person that they rally around is a different approach to this, and it means they are making this up as we go along in terms of figuring out what is important here, what matters and what is just trump being trump and retweeting or re-true thing -- i can't believe i brought myself to say that, praise him or things he likes. it's different and new. >> the fact that it is coming at this time that we are seeing an uptick in threats against federal law enforcement, particularly after the fbi search of mar-a-lago. you have lawmakers that are saying that they are facing increased threats. could trump be fanning those flames with the rhetoric and

oppose that he is constantly saying and issuing and making? >> absolutely. he is absolutely fanning the flames. he is dunking a big candle gasoline on this. whether he intends to, whether he understands it, that does not matter. the fact is that he is doing it. the people who are watching these posts and listening to these messages, they know what he is saying to them, even if he is not saying it. it does not matter, they hear what they want to hear, they live in the world that they want to live in, and if they decide that the former president of the united states is secretly tying them to gear up to go sack and an fbi office or shoot an agent, that is what they will do. this is a movement that is taking its orders directly from the top and being said by a person who does not skripal about what he says. >> let me ask you about some of the images that we have seen trump repose. it's images of president biden, vice president harris, how

speaker nancy pelosi with the words covering their eyes, your enemy is not in russia. you have it there on the screen. tell me about this, what is the significance of this? how significant is that this kind of rhetoric is being put out there by the former president? as we see russia committees atrocities in ukraine right now. >> what these people believe is that russia is secretly the good guy. putin is taking on the new world order. he is taking on the cabal, and trump is part of that. together, it will take everybody down, and is telling americans that the enemy that is keeping them down, that is oppressive them is not some foreign power. the foreign powers other guys. the people who are doing it out the democrats, the elites, the hollywood elite, the banking elite. the same enemies that these people have had for generations, but it was never a president slamming these flames. it was never the person at the top directing where this one. now you have trump saying that

the president is your enemy, the speaker of the house is your enemy, somebody better to do something about it. his fans know what that means. they understand that code. >> mike, we may not have a lot of time to delve into this, but how do you see us as a society pulling back from this conspiracy theory, when you have such a high-profile person might the former president lending his voice to this conspiracy theory? >> unfortunately, i am not sure that we can pull back until he is not in the picture anymore, whether it is politically, whether that is him announcing he will not run again. i think as long as trump is out there directing this massive, massive cult of personality and ordering it around, we will have this. he will keep throwing these things out there, and he will find people who think he is talking directly to them, and they are following his orders with the whatever mayhem derek. >> it's another reminder of what is at stake come november and beyond, if he's still in the political theater here in

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climate disaster in jackson mississippi. climate change is actually affecting the entire world. pakistan has been reeling for massive flood damage that has submerged over one third of the country in water. the floodwaters have killed over 1000 people and the prime minister warns that damages could exceed $10 million in cost. china is suffering a record drought that is trying their reverse. it's forcing cities to impose rolling blackouts and driving up the country's use of coal. there is no doubt that the planet is facing a climate crisis, and yet a disaster in

pakistan is hardly getting the kind of global coverage of solidarity that it deserves. can you imagine for a moment of global reaction and what it would be if a third of europe or a third of the u.s. was flooded? look, we are also facing a crisis when it comes to how the government responds to these crises. what can be done to help curtail these record-breaking climate catastrophes that seem to be more and more frequent? who better to ask then dan levinson, a climate reporter for great, who has been covering how governments have reacted to the climate crisis. he joins me now. dave, it's good to have you with us, thank you for making time for us. what is the biggest failure that you have seen from leadership in moments of crises like this? >> thanks for having me on. i think the biggest failure is more a long term failure. it's the fact that we are dealing with this now with decades of knowledge behind us that we knew this sort of thing was coming, and governments have more or less failed to act. we are starting to see

improvement there. on a more acute level as you have said, some parts of the world certainly, get less attention when it comes to the sort of global attention span, i guess, on these catastrophes, even today. -- the government of pakistan is called for massive international aid to deal with these floods that are devastating the country, and it remains to be seen where that it will come from. i think it's a widespread thing and it is very tough for governments to respond when they don't know when the next catastrophe will hit their own people as well. >> you have china responding to this by planning an ambitious 400 billion dollars to improve their infrastructure. what are they doing that the u.s. can model after, if there is anything that we should be looking to model after the which i doubt response to this and modernizing their infrastructure? >> that's a good question. i think part of it has to do

with a willingness to spend. we have seen that a little bit in the u.s. with the inflation reduction act, obviously includes something like 370 billion dollars in climate related spending. in terms of water infrastructure, china, in particular, has massive plans for basically dams, reservoirs other water infrastructure that they hope in the future can smooth out the problems that they are seeing with their hydroelectric system now. the problem is that there are a lot of environmental concerns with building such large scale hydro power and other water infrastructure to. so it's not clear that there is a real lesson from those plants, but the willingness to spend as much as possible to prepare for these impacts, because we do know they are coming, they certainly lesson other governments to take. >> you write how china has surpassed the u.s. in clean energy investment and renewable energy. can you give us a sense of how

bad are far behind we are lagging on that front at least? >> sure, this is what colleagues of mine angry on. we took a look on the investment and installation of renewable energy as well. china is quite far ahead on some of these, and solar power installations when power, hydropower and definitely on the manufacturing of electric vehicles and batteries. it's definitely a game of catch up now. again, the legislation here in the u.s. has now and since the buys some of that catch up to happen, i believe. but china has been over the last two decades or so spending an amazing amount of money and incentivizing the construction of factors that bill solar panels, that built batteries that built when turbine components, and it is definitely a bit of a challenge for the u.s. and for europe and other places to catch up. they are spending far more than

the u.s. is at this point. >> do you think, and correct me if i am wrong, as i said earlier on, -- when the global reaction angle beside airy to china and pakistan does not meet the moment that we expect had it happen in u.s. or europe, does that hurt us in the long run that we are not paying enough attention to what is happening in pakistan? it is not just covering it as a four new story but being able to say that is an early warning for what we are likely to experience some point down the road? >> absolutely, the impact of climate change are not going to spare any particular country. it does not matter what income level the country has or anything like that. the same types of things that you see in pakistan or china, or anywhere -- the u.s. is seen plenty of climate change disasters, as well, as well as triple digit temperatures and in the west coast.

it is a warning that these sorts of floods and droughts and heat wave to other countries are doing with are going to hit home, wherever you are. we saw that this summer in places like europe, where heat waves reach the uk. they set their all-time highest temperature ever recorded, so it definitely is a warning. this is kind of what we will have to deal with from here on out. deal with from here on>> dave lu so much. it's always a pleasure. greatly appreciate your insights. and hopefully the world does start wake up again as to what is happening overseas. very important story. coming up on the second hour of eamonn why some republican candidates are taking a hard messaging -- documents. the fbi seized from mar-a-lago. and new reporting reveals that ginni thomas also pressured response from lawmakers to overturn the 2020 election. i'm ayman more hygiene. let's get started.