why some republican candidates are taking a hard messaging on -- the fbi seized from mar-a-lago. and new reporting reveals that ginni thomas also pressured response from lawmakers to overturn the 2020 election. i'm ayman mohyeldin. let's get started. all right, so here is a saying that i'm sure you have heard before. i certainly hope you have. the internet is forever. once you post something on it,, it is never really gone even if you thank

you have to lead it. and despite this gop hopefuls across the country are taking a power washer to their campaign website ahead of the midterms and scrubbing any mention of the hard-line antiabortion stances. take for example blake masters, the republican senate nominee over in arizona. last week masters website claimed the candidate was, quote, 100% pro-life. that language is now gone. masters also deleted his support for quote a federal personhood law which would grant the same rights and legal protections to fetuses as any person. and he is not alone. several house candidates in battleground states like michigan, north carolina, colorado, they have all removed antiabortion language from the website. i wonder why. republican governor nominees in minnesota oregon, they are also following suit. look let's be clear here for a moment. it is normal for candidates on both sides of the aisle to move to

to the center, at least, rhetorically, before elections from some of the positions they take in the primaries. the political malpractice here though is that these republicans are blatantly lying about their hard-line and extremist positions. they are attempting to hide who they are and what they believe in, because they clearly see the writing on the wall. earlier this year abortion rights activists in kansas won big in that state's referendum. and just within the last two weeks, you've got democrat securing wins in two key special elections, right here in ayman new york and as we mentioned, here in alaska. take democrat pat ryan in new york. he won in district 19. he didn't shy away from his views on abortion rights. and said, he made it the centerpiece of his campaign. so, as we approach the midterms don't left gop messaging gymnastics for you about who they really are and what they want. to me now is congressman-elect pat ryan. congressman-elect, it's great to have you with us. thank you so much for your time. talk to us about your decision to rely so heavily on abortion rights

and messaging. why did you choose to make that the centerpiece of your campaign. when fundamental rights and freedoms are being whipped away from millions across our country, it was just crystal clear that we had to stand up we had to be unequivocal shown not pull our punches not poll tested not water it down but really speak from the heart. and get to that anger and indignation and fear that so many across the country are feeling as the dobbs decision hit. so we center that in our campaign and we also talked about it as a fight for freedom. and that was a very resonant and unifying way to talk about the issue. and we saw the outcome. and i'm really proud that our community here in upstate new york said this is not who we are as a country, that these rights and freedoms are being ripped away. it seems that republicans are finally

starting to see abortion is not a winning issue for them. and in addition to candidates scrubbing hard-line abortion since from the websites, let me play for you what fox is brian kilmeade had to say about this. >> a lot of the zero tolerance when it comes to the states as a lot of people freaked out. i think the 15 weeks seems to be, even if you are the most pro-life person, her neighbor problems, inside the governor? >> what is your reaction to the gop's appearance which appear? should voters buy this as an actual softening their hard-line stances this fall messaging because they see the writing on the wall with special elections in places like new york 19 and alaska? >> it's clear that they are in panic mode. that they realize that their extremist positions and the supreme court totally out of step with the american people. not just democrats but the broad swath of the american people. we saw this in my special election, where my

opponent did everything he could to avoid talking about the issue, to twist himself in knots, trying to just deflect, dodge. they spent almost $2 million attacking me with deceptive attack ads on public safety, on inflation, none of it works. we were clear we have strong, we say we stand with the american people and with american values, that one rights and freedoms are ripped away, we sent a clear and unequivocal message. >> talk to me a little bit about your constituents and the voters in your district what are you hearing from them about the rain concerns going into the midterms. we talked a little bit about it with abortion rights but beyond the, what else is central to there concerns? >> i think they are really two levels. at the foundational level, people really do understand that there are

threats, direct essential existential threats to our democracy. we've seen that in polling recently but i felt that now for months on the campaign trail, that people see two seismic supreme court decisions on guns and row. they see what is happening in the january 6th hearings and what happened just over a year ago on that horrific day. and so they understand that there is a foundational fight for our rights and our country and our democracy. so, standing up clearly and strongly there is absolutely top of mind. of course, at the same time, we have to talk about and deliver on economic relief. folks are feeling tremendous pain and pressure at the problems at the grocery store, health care bills, rent, utilities. our second campaign ad focused specifically on our utility company that was ripping off

hundreds of thousands of customers in our region and what i had done to stand up to hold them accountable. i think that one too combo of relief and fighting for fundamental rights and democracy is really the playbook, as we go into november. >> i was going to ask you, how does your party keep this momentum going. you are talking about two very important approaches here. when you have an opposite side that wants to engage and fight you on these cultural war issues from schools like banning textbooks, and trying to make everything a cultural wedge in this country, how would you advise or recommend your party counter message that? do they engage in those fights or do they focus on what you outlined? >> i think often, when we're talking about issues, it is easy to get divided. when we're talking about values, that is how we keep people unified and create a place for folks to come and join a coalition. so, we have talked about freedom. we have talked about choice. those are commonly shared

patriotic american values that i think a vast, vast majority of people can get behind. they certainly did in our special election. so, being disciplined, reminding people of the values level of who we are, i think, is really what is called for in this moment, when there is a lot of reasons for people to be put in partisan corners. but i think that one of the takeaways for me for a special election, just over a week ago, was, we actually agree an awful lot more on these fundamental american values of freedom and choice than people might want to make us believe. >> let me, if i can, ask you, about president biden's speech on thursday, get your reaction to it. those remarks, i'm sure you see he rallied against trump and maga republicans, calling them a threat to our democracy. you are talking about how some republicans or at least the ideology of some is an existential threat to our

country and our democracy. what did you make of the president coming to this fight now with the language that he's using? >> this is a moment where we have to stand up and be clear and strong and not to pull our punches and say, democracy is on the line and there is a clear and present danger to it. when i graduated west point almost 20 years ago i took an oath to protect and defend our constitution from enemies foreign internet stick. and now some of the greatest threats to our constitution are from right here at home from far-right extremists and we have to call that out. i think that people understand that, and increasingly, are realizing the stakes and i think that this will be a moment we will look back on and say, what, we got really, really close but the american people woke back up. and the presidents speech and [inaudible] absolutely critical. i'm proud that he did so. >> congressman-elect pat ryan, greatly appreciate you speaking with so much clarity on this.

and thanks so much for joining us. appreciate your time this evening. >> still to come, trump's attorney says more than she needs to say or actually should say. i'm going to discuss this with our sunday panel first, just ghislaine is with us for the headlines. >> a man is in police custody he is accused of stealing a plane and flying recklessly through the skies over mississippi saturday morning. officials say the suspect who is an aviation worker stole the small aircraft from tupelo regional airport. then he called 9-1-1 to say he was gonna crash on purpose into an area walmart >> at approximately 9:32, the pilot posted on facebook a message. in essence it said goodbye. at this time we know he was getting close to running out of field. the pilot confirmed he had landed in the field and he wasn't injured. >> all right so nobody was hurt

during that ordeal which, by the way, it lasted for hours. the pilot was charged with grand larceny and making terrorist threats. russians bid farewell to the late soviet leader gorbachev on saturday. gorbachev was then buried without stay honors next to his late wife at a moscow area cemetery he died on tuesday at the age of 91 following a long illness. and serena williams farewell tour has come to an end. the 23-time grand slam champion losing her third round match at the u.s. open on friday night. last month, she wrote in vogue that this major would likely be her last professional tournament. more ayman with ayman mohyeldin after the break.

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seen this image. it is the single photograph in the doj court filing earlier this week that shows top secret documents fanned across a carpet on mar-a-lago, and it became the

center of trump's latest attack on the fbi. listen to what his lawyer alina habba had to say about it on fox. >> i do have firsthand knowledge, as you know. i have been down there. i have been down there frequently. i had never seen that. i have never, ever seen that. that is not the way that his office looks. anybody that knows president trump's office, he has guessed frequently there. >> look, i am not sure that this argument is the right one for the trump team. his lawyer is openly admitting as their legal defense that trump frequently has guests inside his mar-a-lago office. thee office where the fbi found boxes of top secret and highly classified documents. i am not sure that will work, but, again, i am not a lawyer. joining me now is my saturday night panel. jonathan allen, coauthor of lucky, how joe biden barely won the presidency. alicia garza, cofounder of the black lives

matter movement and principle to the black lives future action fund and rotimi adeoye, communications adviser for the aclu voting rights project. great to have all of you with us. jonathan, i would like to get your reaction to this argument from trump's lawyer alina habba that we played there. >> i am not sure that you want to admit that the classified documents that the fbi found searching donald trump's office or the turn back to the national records openly available to anyone who walked into the room. there is a reason that the nation's top secrets are usually viewed and secure facilities, and that the people who have access to those are unable to email them, for instance off of their classified computer, so, look she did not say that donald trump was showing classified documents to people. at the same time, the reason that the government wanted to recover these documents is they would

not want what they would call a leakage of disinformation. >> alicia, the new york times reports that the photograph displays documents is in keeping with standard for the polls for federal agents. you see arguments from trump and his lawyers that are believable at all at this point? they are doing whatever they can to see if it sticks? >> at this point, i think what is clear is that we have a deeply corrupt and problematic man who is running this country. at the end of the day all details aside, the bigger story here is that we had a president who was not only reckless with national security, but he was reckless, right, with the truth, and he was reckless with his use of breaking laws in order to move his political agenda. this is something that should be deeply concerning to all of us, especially as we head into 2024, where he is all but insinuating that he plans to run again. we

have a big set of choices to make over the next couple of months, next couple of years, and it really starts by saying we are not going to allow this level of corruption to happen in the night states of america. the way that we can do that is by holding trump and his allies accountable for all of the loss that they broken, for all of the secrets that they have expose, but bigger than that, right? for all of the ways in which they essentially tried to dismantle the protections of the federal government to help serve their own political needs. >> rotimi adeoye, trump's lawyer said in her sworn affidavit and made that she personally searched mar-a-lago as part of the attorney general case. as political reports, that leads to questioning how they ended up handling any of the documents that the doj later discovered, if so,

whether she has the clearance to have done so. how damning is that piece on top of all this? >> ayman, think you for having me on tonight. i don't pass judgment on investigation until it is completed. i will tell you this, the way that she is talking and the evidence that the american people have seen about the investigation is so concerning, it should concern every single american, the fact of the matter is that trump took secret documents from the white house that he was not supposed to take, and then brought them to mar-a-lago. so, you know we have to see how the investigation really pans out. what we have seen so far, and what we have seen from the lawyers that he brought in, should not surprise us that he surrounded himself with the worst lawyers. if you look at his administration, he surrounded himself with those people. the fact that the matter is that donald trump needs to be held accountable. i hope through this investigation, it brings out the truth, but the american people at the end of the day will have the final say on this. it's likely that he'll run again in 2024. the american people need to stand up and say no to this corruption and the serious

demagoguery that we have seen for the white house. this serious lack of respect for american institutions. >> jonathan, the justice department counter intelligence chief, jay brats, says that the government also developed evidence that government records were likely concealed and removed from the storage room, and the efforts were likely taken to obstruct the governments investigation. that alone is pretty significant, is it not? >> i think one of the most significant things that has come out over the last 24 hours or so is this division between what the trump lawyers presented to the justice department, that they had basically turned over documents, and that all the documents that they had not turned over was in the one storage room. it was documents according to the latest release that were actually held and something called the trump 45 office, a separate place. you have these empty folders that have

classified markings on them. there may be a natural explanation for that. it may be that some of the documents recovered were in those folders. but who knows, we don't know, and the point is the president -- this is not my point. former attorney general bill barr, trump's former attorney general said the point is that the president was not supposed to declassify documents. >> i got to ask you about this, alicia, this confession by trump. he wrote on his own social media platform that documents were sloppily thrown on the floor and then released photographically for the world to see, as if that is what the fbi found when they broke into my home, wrong, they took them out of cartons and spread them around on the carpet, making it look like a big find for them. they drop them, not me, again, is he not saying the quiet part out loud? he is admitting to having the classified documents

here. >> we have seen this time and time again, where he essentially tells on himself, and then thinks he is making some grand point that is somewhat intelligent. the thing that is so deeply concerning here is that he had these documents in cartons in this country club, and he was not supposed to be doing it. but even more than that, right, there is deep concern here that he also is not actually taking this seriously, that he seems to believe that he cannot be held accountable. we have seen this time and time again with him. again, it is so important that he is held accountable. it's so important that he is not only held accountable for these actions, but the actions that he also helped to spearhead on january six in inciting political violence in this country. we need to take

these kinds of threats seriously, particularly, as i said earlier, as we are looking toward 2024, we've got a portion of this country that is organized to support him, on standby to support him, and unless there is a very clear message that is shown here that he is not above the law, i am deeply concerned about what we are heading into, not just in the midterms but in 2024. >> nothing short of the foundational principle of rule of law is being tested here. rotimi, i have got to ask you. we have focused so much on what president -- former president trump took in the missing information. we don't really know why he had all these classified documents. what do you think? do you think we will ever find out why in the first place he had these documents, as we still continue to try to piece what it is that he took? >> well, i hope to god we do, because at the end of the day, if we don't find out, this is going to further continue the

confusion around exactly what trump is doing. there is so much that he does in the gray that the american people don't know, so, you know, we had to see how this investigation pans out, but my hope is that the american people really guard in 2024 and 2022 coming up, vote for people that are not neighbors of this in want to see an investigation. we have to january six panel which is doing a great job of investigating the president and making sure that we come to the bottom of what happened but we also need to make sure that every single lever of the government is investigating what happened. if we don't investigate what happened ungenerous excess and investigate what happened to these documents, things like these could happen again. a rogue president. it could happen again. >> for sure, panel, stick around, we have a lot more to discuss including new email showing ginni thomas attempting to yet again interfere with the

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anger at mike pence's refusal to intervene to keep trump in office, reportedly texting meadows we are living through what feels like the end of america. lots to unpack there -- let's bring back our saturday night panel. john, i will start with you, with the sound of ginni thomas from 2016, where she had a different opinion on allowing a peaceful transfer of power. watch. >> i just call on democrat leaders to control your groups on the far left. and try to help them stand up to what make ex america great which is the peaceful transformation of power. >> ginni thomas. >> i'm sorry ayman? >> i was saying what happened to that ginni thomas. the thomas that called for peaceful transfer of power when it was

donald trump winning the election. >> yeah it doesn't appear that she has intellectual consistency about that. and actually has a partisan view of it which is she wanted the republican to be president when he won the election and wanted the republican to be president when he lost the election. >> alicia support for the supreme court has plunged to a record low, with 13% sent approval rating among democrats, 40% with independents. how much do you think the role that ginni thomas has played in trying to overturn our election contributed to that mistrust in addition to decisions like the overturning of roe v. wade and a lot of others? >> well i think it's complicated. i think for a lot of people in this country they are watching this kind of news and saying who? but at the end of the day the deep

dissatisfaction with the direction of the supreme court has everything to do with the fact that the public perception is that the supreme court is taking rights away as opposed to expanding rights or protecting rights particularly for groups who are being targeted. and so there is a deep concern. and we saw this in our temperature check polls that we did at black to the future action fund this year the largest recurring poll of black adults in the country that people are deeply dissatisfied with the state of affairs in this country. and deeply dissatisfied with the role with the supreme court has played in whittling away our rights as opposed to standing up for our rights. and what we are seeing here i think it is again a deep concern about corruption. the reason that it is important that ginni thomas was involved in this is that she is the wife of a supreme court justice who sits on this

court at the time when women's rights are being rolled back at a time when the rights of transgender people are being rolled back or eliminated. and at the time where we are really expecting that the supreme court would be standing up for our rights, as part of being the highest court in the land. and so i think what is concerning here is that there has not been any accountability. but again we are seeing corruption in every structure that is supposed to be sound. >> rotimi, thomas said she was open to appear before the january 6th committee. she has since backed down, expressing concerns over fairness. how do you think that plays out from here? how do you think the committee will respond to this? >> first, i think all we are hearing from her just excuses excuses, excuses. and when we hear excuses like this, it usually mean someone is hiding something. so, i really do think the january 6th committee needs to use all the power at its disposal to make sure that

she comes before the committee and the talks about exactly what happened. because the american people deserve to know. at the end of the day, trust is the most important thing in any democracy, and her actions are eroding the trust that so many people have in our american democracy. so, at the end of the day, we really need to make sure that the january 6th committee does everything that they can do to bring her to the committee and we can really hear how she was involved. >> john, you have some democrats like endless xander ocasio-cortez, we've actually called for clarence thomas to be impeached over his conflict of interest. but the majority of the democratic party has been reluctant to push for it. we are not seeing that kind of movement or momentum. we know republicans would do it if, say, sonia sotomayor's husband pushed to overturn trump's win in 2016. i believe that they would. what do you think?

>> i think there is a 0% chance that clarence thomas is impeached and removed from office. but i do think that there is an interesting distinction that should be made. i think defenders of ginni thomas say, this is ridiculous, you are targeting the wife of a supreme court justice from politics. but this is somebody who has been active in politics, ginni thomas -- while his actions and her actions are separate, except for in a case where they may conflict, for instance, in court cases involving the efforts to overturn the election, she is a political actor on her own. and so the january 6th committee has interest in her because of the things that she did. because of the efforts she made to overturn the election, not because she was clarence thomas's wife -- he is potentially [inaudible] because he is her husband. >> alicia garza, republicans have been largely silent on this. and the ones that you talk about it, like josh hawley, argue democrats are being misogynistic for going after

thomas. and i thought they were the party that hated identity politics. >> i think a lot of what we have seen over the course of these last few years are these types of contradictions. we saw it in the clip. ginni thomas is saying, to democrats, tell the far left groups to stand down. but that is not what we saw on january 6th. and you can guarantee that if that was throngs of black lives matter activists, there would have been a very different response. i think what we see here from the republican party is a level of hypocrisy that really stands in the way of any kind of policy proposals or proposals to move this country forward and take on some of the biggest challenges that we are facing today -- the economic challenges that folks are facing, the water crisis that we are watching unfold in jackson mississippi -- these

are the kinds of issues that people want to hear, not rhetoric around, but they want to hear clear policy proposals to help move us forward. and time and time again, we get gaslighted by republicans. they're using this kind of rhetoric to spin and turn everybody around. at the same time, they are really just masking that they are not really helping to move this country forward to policy proposals. in fact, they're helping to deepen the divisions that exist here. yeah, gaslighting is their mo. panel, stick around, we have a lot more to discuss. next, the frightening reality of an election denier becoming a secretary of state. it is a real possibility in this country. bring that sense of calm, really... so you come through, loud and clear. meta portal. the smart video calling device that makes work from home work for you. kids, one year they want all dinosaurs stuff

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just a few years ago, voting actually wasn't a partisan issue. both mail-in voting and ballot machines enjoy bipartisan support, as late as 2019. but all of that changed in 2020, when donald trump denounced mail-in voting and claimed it would lead to front. -- fraud. and even tried to seize voting machines to overturn the election results once he lost -- look, trump may be out of office, but his election lies have lived on in the form of secretary of state candidates who would determine the fate of our next election. just look

over at arizona. our secretary of state nominee christina karamo is campaigning on rollback access to mail in voting. mark victim's also on the ballot. mark finchem is also against mail-in voting as well. and on the lookout for people who, quote inject fictitious votes into the system. a solution? blocking the use of voting machines in this year's election. he already filed a secretary lawsuit this year. in nevada, things are getting even more dire. the gop nominee for secretary of state there, jim merchant, has not only vowed to fight against the states switch to a predominantly by mail system. he has also pushed to get rid of voting machines altogether. he's advocating to only do hand counts and elections. and on top of that marchant has also voted ending the states voting rules, which would require people to register. that sounds familiar, it was because a tool that

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if one of these election deniers wins a secretary of state post in november? my panel is back with me. rotimi i will start with you, your reaction to this alarming number of election deniers running in these races and what it means to the health of our democracy. >> the fact of the matter is that free and fair elections are the backbone of our democracy, period. and there's less than 1% of voter fraud that even has been found. it is not a real problem. so, i am so concerned that republicans continue to push this voter fraud myth. i'm even more

concerned, on the impact that this is going to have on black and brown communities, particularly native american and black communities, given the fact that many of these candidates that are running for secretary of state are going to use their positions to pressure the state legislatures in their state to pass voter suppression measures, that could stop things like mail-in voting, that many native american communities depend on, to participate in democracy. that's just flat out wrong and it's anti-democratic. as president biden said earlier this week, the republican party pushing this big lie is going to destroy our democracy. and it is going to have serious effects. and it reminds me, really, of the great words of former president lincoln. a house divided cannot stand. and the house divided that is spreading the election myths and these dangerous, crazy conspiracies, is going to have a serious problem. our democracy is in danger. >> yeah, and speaking of president biden's speech, alicia, president biden pointed out thursday in the speech -- a very important point i want to

play for you. listen to this. >> we are working right now, as i speak, in state after state, to give power to decide elections in america to partisans and cronies. you can't love your country only when you win. >> aren't republicans, alicia, basically proving his point by choosing these election deniers as their candidates in these races? >> in so many ways, what we are seeing, with these choices, he's a clear demonstration of what it is that republicans want to see the future of this country be. they do. they want to see an america where not all of us belong. they want to see in america win out all of us get to participate. and they want to see in america where

there is one set of rules for some people, and another set of rules for others. we have seen the impacts of their vision for america. just here in my home state of georgia, we had a man who was the secretary of state he refused to recuse his position as he was running for the position of governor. we see these types of abilities and willingness to bend the rules when it serves them at the expense of so many of us. i think at the end of the day what we should really, really keep in mind here, is that we have a choice to make as a country, in terms of which direction we want to go. are we going to continue to allow for the erosion of our rights? are we going to continue to allow for the destruction of any kind of process or structures that helped to hold what is a very complicated coalition of people with different opinions, different viewpoints and different needs? or are we going to to say we are just

going to let all these systems and structures a road around us. i don't think we can emphasize enough how important it is that we don't tune out in this moment. how important it is that we take on democracy as all of our responsibility, whether you are a democrat or republican or an independent, at this point, what is at stake is your ability to make decisions over the rules that shape your life every single day. so anybody who is concerned any about this should know, that you do actually have an impact on this. but you have to choose to step up and say, this is my responsibility too. >> jonathan, we mentioned the nevada candidate jim marchant supporting voters to re-register, which as we mentioned, was a mechanism of jim crow segregationists who uses tactics to prevent black people from voting. this is a coincidence, given the other forms of voter suppression that have taken hold in the republican party?

>> i think what we've seen over the timeline is a desire amongst some republican leaders to turn the clock back 100 years or more on voting rights. and to go back to a time when people of color we're not able to participate, either through the law or intimidation or through regulation. i think what's really interesting about the secretary of state candidates is not just air ability to administer all the laws and potentially change regulations, but because they control elections and because they are people who -- at least some of them are people who try to overturn or wanted to overturn the 2020 election, you have to wonder about how anybody in the political process can have faith that they won't simply make up the rules as they go along. >> rotimi, you think we are not paying enough attention -- the collective we, either in the media, or others, are not paying enough attention to these races? we focus on the

governor's races certainly the senate and other key house races. but these are people who will have just as crucial role in deciding how our democracy functions. >> thank you for asking that question, because it is so important. i think democrats for a long time have focused on consolidating power in the federal government. i think the obama administration, after gaining a lot of power in congress and senate, really focused on congress. but republicans, on the other hand, focused on consolidating power in state legislatures and also consolidating our instate elected office. because they, for so long, have been focused on attacking the concept of federalism. and that's the bedrock of our country. i don't think we have been focusing on these elected local offices enough, because they play such an important role in our democracy. and also they play an important role in our communities and a lot of our resources are all allocated. so, i think democrats need to invest heavily in these races.

they can't leave nec up for grabs. >> alicia, the democrats say the solution is actually to vote. but how does that work, if these candidates get in and take that right away? when you find yourself being oppressed, is voting the way to solve this problem or does it require either executive action or legislative action by this congress? >> we need all of it. and i think this is where it feels a little bit like sisyphus pushing the rock up the side of the mountain. we need all of it. we need folks to vote and participate in several states across the country, in just a couple of weeks you will get to decide who controls the voting process in your state. we know that is true in places like california, in places like georgia. but we also need congress to take action legislatively on voting rights and protecting expanding voting rights as the bedrock of our democracy. we saw how difficult

that has been over the last two years. and we are now in a moment where we are not protected by key provisions of the voting rights act, which people fought for. look and so we need that to happen as well. >> all right, alicia garza, jonathan allen, rotimi adeoye fang think so much. greatly appreciate your time this evening. thanks for all your insights. and thank you for making time for us. come back tomorrow night at nine eastern on msnbc i will be speaking to congressman ro khanna about gop extremism threatening the very foundation of our democracy and how democrats plan to combat. until then, i'm ayman mohyeldin. have a good night. od night 24 hour protection. prilosec otc one pill, 24 hours, zero heartburn. (brad) with more rental listings than anybody else, it was just inevitable that you were gonna find everything you were looking for on apartments-dot-com. it's got...twelve-foot ceilings, in-unit laundry,

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