when. not a lot of time to rest that with another election just around the corner. the president, the, getting ready to hit the road for midterms after an anti-maga speech that still has people on both sides talking. >> he basically condemned all republicans who supported donald trump in the last election. that's over 70 million people. >> it was about a specific, particular, extreme, extreme part of the party that has taken over. and here's the thing. it is up to us in this moment to make sure that we are protecting the values of this country. >> former president trump, meanwhile, holding his first rally since the search of his home. it was about what you would expect. >> the fbi and the justice department have become vicious monsters, controlled by radical left scoundrels, lawyers and the media to tell them what to do. you people, right there.

and when to do it. [noise] they're trying to silence me. and, more importantly, they are trying to silence you. but we will not be silenced, right? >> all right, as coming as we await to the judge's ruling on whether a special master will in fact be appointed in the case. we'll have the latest on the trump investigation ahead as well. but we begin with that history making win for democrats in the state of alaska, pretty aesthetic to say the least. a lot of folks surprised by. it mary peltola won the election for alaska's lone house, heat being the first native alaskan to serve in the house or the first democrat to win that seat in nearly 50 years. she defeated sarah palin and another republican challenger in the debut of the states rank choice voting system. she will face both again in just two months time, on election day. to hold on to that seat congresswoman-elect mary peltola is joining me now. thank you so much for joining

us, congresswoman. let's start there, which is you have about two months. you can't really rest or enjoy this victory, you have to continue to campaign as we head towards november, right? it seems as if now republicans say, okay, we know how this thing works, we get it now. is there a worry from your camp, and from you especially as we head towards november, that republicans are going to try to re-jigger their strategy heading into november? now, seeing how ranked choice voting works. >> i'm very optimistic about the ranked choice voting system. i'm very honored and grateful to have been chosen to backfill congressman young's vacant seat, since his passing. i'm trying not to get too bogged down in worrying and fretting. of course, i do have november in my sights, we only have three weeks to get things done in congress in september. but of course, i'm very focused

on winning the two year seat. >> i'm sure you are, and i know that you've talked about the camaraderie that you've along with, for instance, former governor sarah palin. in the lead up to the special election, she sent you a text message i believe in which she called you a real alaska check. right? i'm wondering though if, and you can tell us what more she said by the way, if there were more text messages exchanged between the two of you, i'm wondering if you feel as if that camaraderie is going to be able to be sustained in the lead up to november. the likelihood is, eventually, they're going to come after you, considering the fact that a democrat has not held the seat in 50 years time. >> no, i do expect attacks, and i got my fair share of attacks here in the special election. but i do feel a sense of camaraderie and fraternity with the other people who are running for this race. you know, campaigning is very grueling, it's time consuming, you really put yourself out

there, your family goes through a lot with you. i feel a lot of fraternity and sympathy with other candidates. >> let's talk about abortion rights a little bit, i'm actually going to get into this with julián castro who is going to be joining me in just a second, in the state of texas. but you are one of the only candidates who's in favor and abortion rights, in the state of alaska. obviously, you know what's happened across the country here with the overturning of roe as well. a lot of democrats using this as a rallying cry, and it's where to get many places. in upstate new york as well, it worked here. are you expecting this to continue to be a rallying cry in the state of alaska, as you head towards november? it's a something you really want to drill down on in your campaign? >> well, i've had four planks to my campaign. i'm pro jobs, pro family, pro fish and pro choice. alaskans are very coveted's of our freedom and our privacy and certainly women's reproductive rights fit into that category very squarely.

in alaska native history, as well as across the lower 48 states with native americans, we do have a history of being sterilized without our knowledge or consent. this is one of the places where i come to this issue, there is nothing more sacred than a woman and a family's right to decide how and when they grow their family. >> i want to pick up on the pro-fish platform that you just mentioned. obviously, this is something that is very particular to the state of alaska, so i think it's important we expand on it a little bit. but it does pertain to the concerns folks have about the environment as long as with the economic viability and the growth that the state of alaska wants to sustain. you talked about how that's one of the most exciting parts of your campaign, salmon management and security, in particular. you say you are pro fish and as a representative of alaska, now, how do you plan on kind of striking that balance, right? in making sure that you are pro

environment, right? when it comes to being pro fish and or sustaining the environment in alaska, along with addressing the economic concerns of the folks in that state. >> well, they're intertwined. alaska, like so many other states, i wish that across the lower 48 people had talked about being proficient over the years. because we have seen the environmental devastation that other fisheries have undergone, and alaska has been heralded as the best managed fishery in the world. certainly for red same at that's true, we had a record run of red salmon also known as stock i salmon, and they had 70 million sock i caught this year. half the world, of all the salmon consumed around the world, half of it as wild caught salmon from alaska. but that leaves three other species that aren't faring as well, with ocean temperatures rising, with acidification in our ocean. and with, really, huge factory trawlers industrial fishing

that is doing a lot of damage. they are throwing out metric tons of juvenile salmon, crab and halibut, and this does have a lasting effect. where we're really seeing it is on the west coast of alaska. it's across alaska, in every river system, but especially in the eucom rivers, the post cotton, river in norton sound, we've had severe restrictions to the point where people who live on the yukon river who've had a 12,000-year relationship with salmon and our place faced because of that food security over the decades and centuries are now being completely precluded from fishing for even one salmon, to feed their own families. >> congresswoman, do you feel confident you're going to pull out a win in november? >> i'm optimistic. you know, we've really promoted civility and respectfulness and being very much concerned about the continuation of our democracy. and i'm really hopeful that, if you like my message of civility and respectful this, you will

look at my website, mary peltola.com. so, play see my website, mary peltola. and i am optimistic, i'm looking forward to november. and looking for to the next few months of getting it across alaska and visiting more alaskans face to face, hearing the issues that are top of mind to them. >> congresswoman mary peltola, thank you so much, we appreciate you joining us this hour. a real alaska chick, as the former governor said. >> thank you. >> thank you. want to bring in now analyst julián sand castro, former mayor of sacramento and former -- a lot of former there. he joins me now in new york, while he will be hosting american voices today. not formerly, today. >> today. >> this evening on msnbc. let's talk about some of what i got into with congresswoman-elect peltola there. and of course you think back, because i mentioned the win of pat ryan here in upstate new

york as well, this rallying cry it seems of abortion rights in certain parts of the country. it possibly resonating there in the state of alaska. was it that? was it the right choice voting system? we don't necessarily know. but it certainly seems like it was here, in upstate new york. it's giving democrats a lot of optimism, especially as you look at the state of texas, for instance? >> it absolutely is. traditionally, folks have warned that the special elections don't necessarily predict well what's going to happen in november. having said that, there seems to be a pattern here. the pattern is that democrats are over performing by several points what they did in november 2020. mary peltola's election in alaska is maybe the best example of that, but you could take new york, you can take a couple of other special elections. all of that to say, most of that is happened since the dobbs decision. on top of that, after the august 8th search of mar-a-lago,

that as well has meant that the conversation has been dominated by what is going on with donald trump and every single day that donald trump is the main subject of political conversation, i think that's a bad day for republicans. so, you have these dual issues of the base of democrats fired up because of the abortion decision in dobbs. and also a reminder to them about the threat of donald trump in 2024. >> you even have some optimism, i was surprised to hear it, but about beto's chances in the state of texas. especially because of abortion rights. and not just optimism because you're a democrat and he's a democrat, and that's who you like to see is the governor of texas, but because you really could see this as a rallying cry. 60% of folks in texas, as you see on your screens right now, believe that people should have abortion rights in that state. >> that's right. even in states like texas that people think of as very pro

life, traditionally, that have been red states. even in states, you're seeing this issue of lack of access to reproductive rights and abortion moving people. so, what that has meant in beto's case, polls are consistently showing him in mid single digits to governor greg abbott. in the case of someone like rochelle garza, challenging the incumbent attorney general, ken paxton, she is within three points consistently. that is way beyond what anyone would expect in this kind of mid term year, when democrats hold the white house. the fact that these races are this close means that the democratic base is energized and also that probably people, especially in the suburbs of dallas, houston, san antonio, austin, that used to vote republican, are peeling off the way in 2018 when beto came within three points of ted cruz. >> how much of it you also think it has to do with abbott's handling of uvalde,

gun legislation in the state of texas, the follow from that horrific tragedy? >> i think that falls under the category of him, voters not seeing him as particularly good at his job. the winter freeze is probably the best example of that. >> right, yes. >> there is something different, almost a political but more devastating to a candidate, when people may agree with you politically, think okay, ideologically implicitly than the other guy, they are just bad at your job. for greg abbott, the winter freeze, what happened in uvalde, a couple other incidents, they've made more and more people think this guy just doesn't belong here. >> i'm curious to hear what you think about the presidents speech from thursday night in philly. kind of fighting for the soul of this country, addressing maga republicans head on. let's play a bit of it, and then we'll talk. do we have? it >> there is no question that

the republican party today is dominated, driven and intimidated by donald trump and the maga republicans. and that is a threat to this country. history tells us that blind loyalty to a single leader and a willingness to engage in political violence is fatal to democracy. >> so, he got some criticism from it, there is a lot of folks applying it as well. addressing the situation head on. certainly top of mind for a lot of voters, as you're looking across polls now, is a threat to democracy. especially amongst democrats, but republicans as well. what did you make of him going after, quote unquote, maga republicans in the way he did? did you feel like he was alienating working class voters at all and doing that? >> i think he was fairly specific about who he was talking about. at the beginning of the speech, he made very clear he was not talking about all republicans, that he thought the majority of

republicans didn't fall into this category. he was addressing the die hard maga republicans who, as donald trump said himself a few years ago, if he could shoot someone on fifth avenue in new york they would still follow him. unfortunately, they're following him down a path, and anti-democratic, as president biden has said, semi fascist path. i thought it was overdue for the president to call this out in direct and blunt terms. it's understandable, of course, in politics that you're going to get pushback from donald trump and his followers. but my hope is that people will actually take a look at what president biden said, and that he was not indicting all republicans or even all people who voted for donald trump. in fact, he clarified that i think the next day at the white house. it's folks who will deny the outcome of an election and work to overturn it, in fact, that

he was addressing. i thought was overdue and needed. >> what do you most wary about if republicans win the house, and possibly the senate? >> i'm worried about these anti-democratic efforts. and that we are going to continue to go down a road that donald trump is pushing the republican party towards of fascism. somebody had said that five years ago, i would've said come, on you're joking. but it's no joke when you have people in local and statewide office, and someone who wants to become the president again, who out right call for the denial of election results and overturning an election in 2020 that was fair. >> julián castro, going to be hosting american voices for alicia menendez. we thank you for stepping in for that and taking the time, you had to commit a little early to join me. >> it's glad to be here. >> i was good to see you my friend, appreciate it. still ahead, everybody. a move that may turn current and former students against republicans, at the gop plans to block biden's decision to

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combined with heavy rainfall that led to flooding and years of political neglect have completely upended the lives of residents there. federal state agencies working to supply people with bottled water. local reporting revealing the city has been dealing with several setbacks that could continue to delay the work needed to put an end to this crisis. joining me now is alex roger, journalist and reporter for mississippi today. alex, thanks for joining us on this. let's talk about some of the setbacks that i just mentioned. what is keeping folks, officials, from getting this resolved and getting clean drinking water back to the people of jackson? >> yeah, so, just to clarify, people haven't had clean drinking water straight from their tap for over a month now. that's just the latest, in the sense of what's going on in terms of people having to boil it to drink it and brush their teeth, this has been something that's been going on for years and years that is only getting attention now because the state

has recently decided to intervene. what is going on now is that last week, because of flooding along the river, it messed up the way that officials treat to the water let's get sent out to people's homes. so, as a result, they had to reduce the pressure getting into the system and the next day the governor said, basically, that a treatment plant was on the verge of failure. that's the latest of what's going on. >> let's talk about the political divide going on there. i had a guest on just a couple days ago talking about the situation in jackson, and he said that everybody needs to get on the same page, right? local officials, whether it be the mayor, the governor, everybody needs to get unified. because it's not about them and what they're dealing, with it's a bit with the residents of jackson even what they're dealing with. and what they have been dealing with for quite some time. talking specifically about the

mayor of jackson, along with the governor, who haven't necessarily appeared together in quite some time. only recently a pairing alongside each other. and the mayor actually originally wasn't even invited to the event. i want to take a listen to what was said, and then we'll talk on the other side. >> right now, i want to speak to our residents. we understand your frustration, we understand your impatience with this challenge and all of that is warranted. i just want to ensure you that you have a unified front at this front and this time, endeavor-ing to fix it and not only sustain, not only work to ensure water reliability in the near future, but for the very distant future as well. >> tell me about how a lack of unity had been causing a problem up until now. what do you make of this turn now to this unified front, as a mayor there is putting it? and how it could help.

>> yeah, just to put it in some context, after the winter storm of last year in 2021, that basically shut down the water system for over a month in jackson, ever since then the mayor has said that the water system has been in a constant state of emergency. i asked the mayor a couple days ago at one of the press conferences why he thinks the state is finally intervening now, he said he didn't know. so, it is interesting that the state is intervening at this point, we still really don't know why they are getting involved now versus previous issues. but that clip you showed was the first press conference that they spoke at together, and it's a little unclear as to whether the state has put out any effort to try to have the city speak with the state at any press conferences. obviously, in terms of funding,

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we are still in a waiting game when it comes to florida judge eileen cannons ruling over whether she will grant former president trump's request for a special master. it is unclear how it could change the doj's investigation, as thursday will mark one month since the surge took place. it also comes as we've learned

alarming new details from the inventory listed seal just on friday, which revealed more than 11,000 documents were found in mar-a-lago. 48 folders marked as classified, completely empty. joining me now to discuss his national correspondent at the washington post matthew brown. matthew, thanks for joining us on this. let's talk through some of your reporting on this, as we kind of await this decision from judge aileen cannon on this labor day weekend. a lot of folks wondering why it hasn't come down, because it seemed as if, when we are headed into thursday, she already had her mindset as to what she was going to do, leaning towards appointing a special master. the lot of circumstances have subsequently changed since then. what are you hearing from folks? what is your reporting telling you about when this decision could come down and how it could come down? >> definitely, so, it's very clear from what we're hearing at the washington post that the judge is likely to say that a special master should be appointed in this case. i think it's important to describe just what a special master is here. it is essentially a judges

assistant, someone who, in regular cases, helps with things like discovery and going through documents to find things. like, as trump claims, what would be protected by attorney client privilege. this is an unusual situation, not just because it's a question of a former president of the united states have been taking classified documents, but it's also unusual because the documents already in the possession of the department of and are currently being reviewed by the intelligence community for their consequences and importance to national security. justice department lawyers have said in court there where that appointing a special master, who would also be reviewing these documents, would be a threat to that review process and making sure that any national security issues with the taking of these documents wouldn't also be able to be responded to by the proper channels in government. the issue there, though, is that a special master could slow that process down, that the judge has assured that she wouldn't want to interfere that national security issue. >> i want to play you some

sound from the sunday shows, some back and forth reaction to the taking of these documents to mar-a-lago by the former president, what it could mean on a larger scale as well. and then we'll talk on the other side. >> there is a process for declassification. but again, the president is in a very different position than most of us in a national security space. and if this was such a national security threat, for god sakes, why didn't they brief the gang of eight on this? >> this is not the case of an overdue library book, this is not sloppy bookkeeping. this is a staggering refusal and woeful retention of hundreds of classified documents, often containing exquisite information bearing on our national security. >> obviously a republican, mccarthy a democrat. i'm wondering in the space of capitol hill right now, washington, d.c. in general, how politicians are responding to this. a finding from the source of on

the ground that they are more apprehensive in defending the former president and lauding his accomplishments? remaining behind him amidst the fallout from the search at mar-a-lago. >> yes, so, of my colleagues at the washington post that reported, this is something that is difficult for republicans to discuss in certain cases. that he thinks also important to note that just the unprecedented nature of this investigation shows that not many people are entirely sure even how to handle it, but there is constantly new voices developing here. for instance, just how secure was the storage room in the communications that were going on inside of mar-a-lago? the people who had access to the space and how long the justice department was in communication with trump. we know this is a case that has been going on for over a year and that, and multiple points, communication seemed to have broken down between trump and his inner circle. and the justice department, on what documents they had. the justice department big way that they weren't being entirely truthful.

and because of, that the constant changing of what has been revealed here and what we are finding out here in public, that has made it very difficult for anyone who is chasing this case and following it to come up with even a consistent narrative, which has been something that we've seen throughout trump's presidency and post presidency. >> matthew brown for us. thank you, matthew, good to talk to you. all right, pennsylvania. we've been talking about pennsylvania a lot of the last 90 minutes or so. it's gone zero in the midterms this holiday weekend. the president will be there tomorrow, the former president was there last night for his first rally since the fbi search of mar-a-lago. in addition to lashing out of the investigation, donald trump took aim at biden's speech in pennsylvania on thursday evening, calling out trump and republican maga as a threat to democracy. >> joe biden came to philadelphia, pennsylvania, to give the most vicious, hateful and divisive speech ever delivered by an american president.

vilifying 75 million citizens plus another, probably, 75 to 150. >> maga republicans do not respect the constitution. they do not believe the rule of law, they do not recognize the will of the people. >> you are all enemies of the state. he's an enemy of the state, you want to know the truth? >> they found the flames of political violence. there are a threat to our personal rights, to the pursuit of justice, to the rule of law. to the very soul of this country. >> let's get into it. clay king with me, siriusxm radio host. and rick tyler, cofounder of foundry strategies and an msnbc political analyst. welcome to you both, gentlemen, thanks for joining us. rick, let me start with you, reacted both the pieces of sand we just heard. of, course president addressing the nation thursday, night directly addressing the former president a calling out maga republicans, saying their threat to our democracy. this is a sole fight for the soul of the nation, reopening that from his campaign back in

2020. followed up by the former president yesterday evening, going after the president as well. >> well, yasmin, to me it's two sides of the same coin. they both represent two sides of the same coin. i don't know that there's anything fundamentally different about president biden holding what looked to me like a political rally, to the point where many networks didn't cover it, claiming it was a presidential address. and then the president using all of the same hyperbole. the world doesn't work that way, it doesn't work and binary's. there's truth in what both of them are saying, in fact. but what's really remarkable is that biden is reacting out this idea that people feel this is a threat to democracy, and certainly both sides feel that. independent feel that, and biden and he's doing that perfectly. speaking politically, it's really quite brilliant, is taking a referendum on him,

food prices, gas prices, inflation and the unaffordable gas cost. instead of a referendum on, that he's flipped it to a referendum on donald trump because donald trump picked all these candidates. which by the, way democrats helped put in place, so you owe some of the nomination process to the democrats themselves. because they feel like they want to frame it this way. and trump is now the center of attention. but they're calculating is, while trump will turn up a larger republican base than anyone else could, he turns out about a third more republicans. the problem, is he motivates about 100 percent of the democrats. so, we saw that in the very last presidential election, donald trump has a significant increase over his election in 2016. but biden doubled and sometimes tripled the vote that hillary clinton got. so, that's the calculation they're working from. >> that's what they're working from. let me play some sound of white house press secretary, karine jean-pierre, before we talk. let's listen to that. >> he is calling on democrats,

independents, mainstream republicans, to really come together and make that decision and stand together to make their voices heard. so that we can protect what is the most important to our values of our country, that's what you heard from this president. as president, he should be the strongest voice on democracy. and that is what he's using, he's using his voice to lift that up, to show what the inflection point is that we're in at this current moment, how important it is to protect those values. >> clay, jumping off of what rick just said, of course hearing from the white house press secretary there. it seems as if the president is really betting are getting all democrats, essentially, to turn out. it's firing up the turnout against the former president, and what that democrats see he actually stands for. you think it's a smart strategy, going forward? or do you think they risk alienating folks? >> i have to say, your guest

said that it's two sides of the same coin with biden and trump. i just think that's lunacy, i have to be honest here. biden is mother teresa compared to trump, and the stretch that republicans are trying to do to activate their similar and trump's -- biden is somehow evil and stereotyping. you have people in trump's administration who said that trump has authoritarian tactics, who are in his own administration saying that. trump and the people enabling him, they are a threat to our democracy. any republican who's not condemning trump-ism right now, they are enablers. what i'm seeing, as someone who's on radio five hours a week, two hours a day, this is what the base wants. they are tired of people being passive, they wanted to be called, they're tired of seeing crimes in plain sight and nothing being done. this is just me, personally, i

think there is a thin line between maga republicans and quote unquote mainstream republicans. because tell me one senator who voted for the inflation reduction act, who voted for the american rescue plan. trump had little to no legislative wins, biden has had several legislative wins. and to try to make them the same is just ridiculous, it's cheap politics. trump is different than president bush, so i want republicans to be honest. if you want to stand by a neo-confederate, do that, but don't try to make them the same. that is farfetched. >> rick i will give you an opportunity to respond, saying that clay has what you called about two sides of the same coin lunacy. >> well, what clay has done, with all due respect, if he's gone right to the binary. is it has to be all one thing. if you believe in republicanism, not that there is a philosophy of governing, and you don't

believe that the inflation reduction act, a misnomer, it will do nothing to reduce inflation, nothing to address housing costs, nothing to address high tuition cost, nothing to address energy cost, absolutely zero. but because you don't agree with that you must be a trumpian, trumper, and therefore a neo-fascist. i think that's a very dangerous place for our country to be. it is true that you can both believe in and ideology and embraced all trump, i happen to condemn donald trump. i have to believe donald trump is a threat to democracy but that doesn't mean i have to endorse biden's policies and all the things that he believes in, that i think take the country in the wrong direction. so, let's have an honest discussion about the policies that biden has put forward. happy to have that, but just because you embrace those policies we don't go into neo-fascist law law land. that is just fundamentally and intellectually lazy and dishonest. >> clay, final word?

>> you know, it's funny. the only policy points the gop has is trump, that's it. what is their health care plan? they have for years to do a health care plan, and we never got that. what is their plan for the minimum wage? i don't know, we don't know what their plan is. what's the plan for voting? rights make sure as little people as possible can -- >> wreck, hold on, let clay say what he wants to say and i will come back to you, rick. i promise. >> what's their plan for voting rights? it's to make sure as little people as possible can vote. before you guessed it may not be part of them. as a man who's a black man, a black gave, and i see the direct threat to our democracy and i thought it was fair when biden centers a threat to equality as well. but maybe he lives in the space for republicanism and, let's be clear, trump is the hate that republicans created. maybe for him ercot policies, but my push back on him on his point that their two sides of the same coin.

that's a ridiculous stretch. if you can't see the differences, and if people like your guest can see the differences, then i am and more fear of where this country is going. because trump's deferred that reagan, he's different than busch, he is extremely dangerous. >> rick, quick response, if you could. >> of course he's different. i read a lynskey to, i know the argument works. i don't support trump but i also don't support biden's policies, i've been very clear about that. by the, way your position should be that there should be mandatory voting, 22 democracies have including australia. which has a higher freedom index of the united states. let's go ahead and do that, pay 50 dollar fine and everybody votes and we'll get rid of all this nonsense about voter suppression. whether real or not real, suppressed or not suppressed. and we can make everybody vote. but democrats never pick up on that position. why not? because they don't want everybody to vote, i'd be happy to say that everybody should vote because it's a civic duty. >> clay klain, rick tyler, to

be continued, guys. hopefully, we should continue have these conversations. appreciate, it will be right back everybody. ck everybody

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here. that has not been a low suit that has been filed that we know of, in any part of the united states. it's fair to say the republicans across the country, who are no fans of president biden's plan to cancel this debt, are doing everything in their power to stop it. different groups of conservatives, whether it is state attorney generals, or advocacy groups, even some lawmakers on capitol hill that are looking for that right combination of issues and plaintiffs that would allow them to take aim at this thing. remember the stakes here are pretty grave for millions of americans who have waited so long for this debt relief which is a major promise from president biden and other democrats it dates back multiple elections at this point. we could see eruptions towards -- if the grant judge granted a stay. and we could see if it is squashing at the hands of a federal court. >> i'm not necessarily surprised us hear that senator ten cruises at the center of this as well. we have heard how senator ted cruz feels about the cancellation of student debt.

i'll play a little bit of it for you, and then we will talk. >> if you are that slacker barista who wasted seven years in college studying completely useless things, now has loans and cannot get a job joe biden just gave you 20 grand. >> a total mischaracterization of the folks that are carrying student debt right now. that being said, who is he working with in order to figure out a way that this does not happen? >> right now, these are actually individual efforts that we are seeing play out. their senators, other member of congress seeing what role they can play. it's pretty difficult for members of congress to bring a case, but we have seen instances in which members of congress have filed friend of the court were amicus briefs in support of challenges to the presidents authority. there are other outside groups republican attorneys general that we talked about, and

they're all bringing some form of the same argument. i talked to mark motive itch, it was the attorney general of arizona, who described this as the greatest transfer of wealth ever from people who did not go to college, to those who ultimately did. his message to me was that there is a broad belief among some stick to that college costs too much. he doesn't think that the president had the authority to do what he did at the end of the day. >> and then you quote a call supervisor in ohio it says they are continuing -- trying to keep borrowers in debt and don't make a lot of money before this. it felt like i would never pay off my loans. i'm wondering if republicans are successful in holding off the student loan forgiveness if they're worried about the republican -- or i should say the political blow back. >> i think that at least in the eyes of republicans, the argument here is that they are representing the millions of others who did not go to college, or paid down their

debt without the help of the federal government. they would argue that they are speaking on behalf of that constituency as opposed to the millions of americans who would ultimately see some significant financial relief as a result of what democrats did. at the end of the day, it's important to remember that a decision that a judge renders here could have great consequences even beyond just the cancellation of student debt. there is a good chance that if this were to land in the lap of the supreme court that we could have a bigger conversation here but the scope of the presidents economic authorities. that's the kind of thing that tends to backfire in the case of democratic presidents given the conservative leanings of the judiciary. >> tony, great to talk to you. after the break, the honor that moved former president obama another step closer to joining an exclusive club. we'll be right back. b. we'll be right back. ♪ just till they taste what we've got ♪ ♪ ow, ow ♪ ♪ with a big, fresh carrot ♪ ♪ and a whole lot of cheese ♪

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