♪♪ ♪♪ today on a special two-hour edition of "the reid out" -- >> the fbi and the justice department have become vicious monsters controlled by radical left scoundrels, lawyers and the media who tell them what to do. >> donald trump doing what he does best, gaslighting his supporters and playing the victim. he did catch a break today on the mar-a-lago documents from a judge he appointed. wouldn't it be great if everyone

got to appoint their own judge. america's education prices. as kid goes back to school the ideological war over the uncomfortable aspects of american history and the book banning all while the u.s. faces a massive teacher shortage. good evening, everyone, as you begin the readout today, one day after donald trump got on a stage and called vicious monsters and just how effective it is when a corrupt president is allowed to put so many judges on the bench. that's because a federal judge who trump picked today did him a huge favor to put it in trumpian terms, on an investigation that could not be more critical to our national security. u.s. district judge aileen cannon released her ruling granting the request by trump's legal team to request a legal master, look for any privileged material. while that process unfolds, the

judge is blocking the justice department from continuing its investigation into trump's theft and grossly negligent mishandling of classified documents. now not only has every single federal prosecutor and former department of justice lawyer that we have spoken to on this show said there was no need for a special master in this case, so did trump's own former attorney general and fixer william barr. >> i think the whole idea of a special master is a bit of a red herring. what people are missing is that all of the other documents taken, even if they claim to be executive privilege, either belong to the government because they're government records even if they're classified, even if they're subject to executive privilege, they still belong to the government and go to the archives. if, in fact, he sort of stood over scores of boxes and not really knowing what was in them and said i hereby declassify everything in here that would be such an abuse that -- and show

such recklessness that it's almost worse than taking the documents. >> what we know is that donald trump admits that he took the documents. he admits that they were not only in a storage room in his completely insecure resort, but that they were also in his private office. we know that some of these documents were classified with markings putting them at the highest level of the most highly protected materials in the u.s. government and among the materials seized were numerous envelopes marked classified that were completely empty and yet, despite all of that, this 41-year-old judge appointed by trump in the waning months of his presidency has decided that trump has the right to have the investigation of that crime halted. leading up to this investigation, harvard constitutional scholar lawrence tribe said this about the judge, quote, she can either redeem herself by starting to act like a real federal judge unaffected by the identity of the president who appointed her or earn the

condemnation of national security experts and legal mavens by botching the biggest case most judges ever touch in a lifetime and endangering the lives of our spies abroad. end quote. it now appears that she has chosen to do the latter, perhaps it should not come as much of a surprise, though. she telegraphed last month that she wassal read inclined to rule in trump's favor. this is what trump has always had in mind for his judges to do his bidding and msnbc opinion columnist writes trump himself encouraged americans to beholden to the president appointed them. remember, trump has gone on the attack against judges appointed by president obama as quote, obama judges. in 2016 he attacked a federal judge against his fake trump university and called for his recusal because he was, quote,

an obama kate. totally biassed and hates trump. he put a hold on his plan for refusing asylum applications for immigrants crossing the border illegally. with trump, he always looks at everything as my or mine, my generals and my judges. apparently he has been. ellie mystal, and former federal prosecutor, and right down the middle to you because i'm not a lawyer, you are, but even i know that if i went into the bank and robbed it, brought the money home and went and spent a bunch of it and bought a birkin bag and said hold up, i'm going to need to get a special master because that's my bag and that's my car and that's my money.

how on earth could a judge who made it through law school think that donald trump can take the property of the government, the federal government, take it home and then have to have a special master decide whether they can investigate him? >> because she's biassed and corrupt. like, i don't know what to tell anybody anymore. i've been saying this since he took office when you allow republicans to control the courts you get nothing. trump judges do not believe in the rule of law. they do not believe in precedent. they do not believe in facts. they do not believe in logic. they just believe in whatever will help donald trump and they've proven it again and again and again, so when i say you cannot trust trump judges i don't know what more evidence you need for that fact, right? like, look, the argument that he has executive privilege is so what the scientists would call

stupid that it's difficult to explain it, right? like, the idea that -- first of all, privilege goes to the current president. we only have one president at a time, so it's not trump's privilege to have, but even if it was, as you point out, with bill barr who believes that the executive of the united states is something closer to a king than a president, even bill barr says that if he had a privilege that privilege still goes with the government and not with trump. so these documents belong in the archives and it would be like trump's call for executive privilege over the plane and then parked the plane, the air force one at mar-a-lago. can't do that. even if it was his, we have the right to take it back, but when you allow trump judges to infect the system these are the kind of decisions you get and people, and this is my last point. people in the media need to stop standing for these stop standing for these trump judges and need to stop pretending that these

trump judges are like the rest of the judicial system, right? they have to stop carrying water for them and start calling them out as they are, corrupt, leave behind gifts from the trump administration to destroy the rule of law in america. >> i'm going to get my other guests in, but to stay with you for just a second, ellie, that her justification for saying you're wrong about that and that you can claim executive privilege that she cited kavanaugh, one of his other judges and said that kavanaugh said that he can do it. according to her, he can take the air force one home, park it at mar-a-lago and at least she and kavanaugh said it's an open question. >> it doesn't surprise me because the argument is so stupid that she's got to reach for straws. she's got to grab at whatever there is because there is no actual legal basis for her ruling and even kavanaugh, he said maybe. he didn't say definite and to go

from kavanaugh's maybe to, like, actually appointing the special master, remember, the whole point here is to delay, right? so she -- guess who gets to appoint the special master, she does, right? that takes however long she wants to wait or the department of justice can appeal, but if they appeal to the 11th circuit which is controlled by the 11th circuit, and it goes super quick, they can appeal that to the supreme court which as we already know infected by trump judges and they could delay and delay and delay and the whole idea here is not to get him off because they can't because he's guilty, but it's to delay it to the point where they can get to another election and remove the current department of justice and get trump himself back in the white house. that's their game plan, and aileen cannon, trump judge aileen cannon is playing right into that game plan.

>> and voila. let me bring you in, glen, have you as a prosecutor ever had an instance where you had a theft, where you had the product of the theft in the custody of law enforcement and had a judge intervene and say because when law enforcement went into that property and took the products of that theft there were personal items mixed in with the items owned by someone else, the items that were stolen that because there might have been a magazine that trump subscribed to in that list of things or some clothing that was trump's that were literally thrown in the box with the classified materials, have you ever heard of law enforcement being halted saying you cannot investigate this person any further? has that ever happened in your career? >> not in 30 years in prosecuting cases in civilian and military. this is the kind of stuff that

gets in motions to suppress in the run-up to trial or run of the mill evidentiary rulings at trial, and i'll tell you, joy, the most dire thing that this judge did and you just put your finger on it. she ordered the government to stop criminally investigating trump and company for the theft of national security information. you know what that means? first of all, doj said look, we've already looked at all of it and we are already following investigative leads based on it, but here's where the problem comes in. let's assume that based on their review of these documents that donald trump stole from the federal government and unlawfully concealed even in violation of a subpoena at mar-a-lago, let's assume that the federal prosecutors subpoenaed people to testify as a result of what they learned in those documents and maybe those witnesses are scheduled to appear before the grand jury

tomorrow and give really important, sworn testimony about the crimes of donald trump, judge cannon ordered the government to stop. withdraw those subpoenas. you know what else? when we seize paper, documents as evidence in a criminal case, you know what we often do? we submit it for forensic testing. we look for latent fingerprints that help us identify a perpetrator. we look for dna, epithielial cells that schlep off your skin. you leave them on documents. those forensic tests of this evidence of crime that was found in donald trump's possession. those tests may be ongoing and judge cannon just said stop investigating donald trump. that, in my opinion, is judicial insanity. >> and misconduct potentially. is it allowed for a judge to essentially stop the investigation of a crime in progress?

stop investigation, halt it? have you ever heard of that? >> i've never experienced it, but you know what? a judge's order if it's not manifestly unlawful on its face that you can file for a writ of mandamus, there is a remedy here. the department of justice needs to appeal and this may be one of the few times that merrick garland's instincts to protect the institution might actually work to the advantage of the rule of law. in my opinion it's worked to the disadvantage of the rule of law like in his poor decision in the perrel case. here it might work to the advantage of the rule of law because a judge cannot invoke a non-existent privilege, executive privilege. these documents as ellie said belock to the executive branch. joe biden is the one who has the power to waive executive privilege. donald trump stole them from the executive branch and now they've been returned to executive

branch and donald trump does not have a legally cognizable privilege. doj had better appeal the decision rather than feeding the judicial monster because if you feed the judicial monster you will get more bad opinions and decisions like this one. >> hugo, let me bring you in here. what is the reporting of the reaction within trump world and potentially within the department of justice and biden world. has there been any reaction so far? >> trump world, behind the scenes they're thrilled. they think they've won this great procedural victory. as elie has said, they see it as a way to delay the investigation. this buys them time. the justice department has previously indicated that they are not going to start taking judicial action 60 dates before an election and we're 64 days away before an election. they want to push it over into the 60-day bracket so that the justice department can't do

anything in the lead-up to the midterms and they want to buy themselves time and trump is thrilled at this decision. particularly thrilled that they were able to get judge cannon to issue an order and particularly happy that she even heard the case, right? because there was some indication that trump was shopping around judges and the very trump judge that he appointed heard the case and so i think the combination of all of these factors put trump in the base place he could ever imagine given he's under espionage investigation and potential obstruction investigation. >> judge shopping works especially when you're shopping at home. it's like shopping in one's own closet. the question then is you mentioned an appeal. if the appeal is to go to the 11th circuit, and more trump judges. what kind of a timeline are we talking about because it does appear that we have reached the point where there is one man in

the 327 million person population of the united states who literally appears to be above the law. >> if it was a woman, and there were ways to control her own body and judge alito would say no, she can't by friday because if it's a white man trying to get away from espionage, well it could well be the supreme court doesn't hear this case for 12 months. that's just the reality that we're living in, right? the judge has issued a stay as glen said exactly, and forcing the government and stopped its investigation and the government should immediately appeal and that can go up to the 11th circuit and while the 11th circuit is considering the case, do they lift the stay so that the investigation can continue or do they keep the stay? a trump judge panel might well keep it while the 11th circuit can deliberate. another little poison pill that judge cannon made a decision is in a footnote, she suggested

that perhaps the 11th circuit wasn't even the right place that it should be heard in front of the d.c. circuit. as hugo just pointed out, that's actually correct for a trump judge and maybe i shouldn't be the judge, it should be the d.c. circuit and that could add, and obviously even if trump loses in front of the 11th circuit that decision can be appealed to the supreme court and they can take their sweet little time to hear that whenever they want and if that happens after the midterms and obviously happens in the lead up to the 2024 election that's completely within the supreme court's purview to continue the stay and not hear the case. again, i kind of always come back to this point because it's so critical. if you let republicans control the judicial, this is what happens. there is no way around, as glenn said you can't stop a judge's

order, even if it's grossly negligent and back. you can't make it go away if you don't have higher courts willing to overturn it. if the republicans control both of the district court and all of the higher courts, what are you going to do? >> i'm going to keep the three of these guys with me. my family will stay with me on the other side of the break and this is key. if this investigation were being allowed to go through, what would investigators be doing? are they searching trump's other properties? a photo taken at trump tower suggests yes, they should, stay on for this early birdiedition of "the reid out." cx

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. okay. i want you all to take a look at this. this is the newly renovated trump-themed bar in new york's -- excuse me, trump tower. now if you zoom in on one of the little tchotchkes on the wall there you will see what appears to be an empty classified documents folder. we don't know whether that came from mar-a-lago, if it's the real deal, but at this point who knows? the judge says we can't even find out. back with me are hugo lowell, elie mystal and glen. i want to put up a list of properties that trump owns and most it's a fee, he doesn't own a lot, but he owns mara lag o

the trump tower penthouse and the trump national golf club bedminster and seven springs park and trump park avenue hugo and inside of trump world they are relieved because this judge basically middle he's untouchable for now, but had the trump world begun to contemplate whether other properties might also be searched? >> yeah. and joy, we've been speaking to, and can i just say that we were aware of this and were kind of thinking about this in days since the fbi first searched mar-a-lago? this has been on their mind for some time which i think is quite indicative of owners' sense of guilt that there might be other documents lying around and something i picked up and after the statement that the trump lawyers gave back to the doj. it said something on the lines of we have reviewed all of the documents and the materials that came down from the white house

to mar-a-lago and specifically mar-a-lago. it was almost as though the trump lawyers were covering that back side, and he had to say, look, we don't know about the other properties and we only know what we were directed to look at and to the best of our knowledge and looking through the documents and materials from the white house to mar-a-lago only and find out the responses and i thought that was really interested and indicative of the fact that there may be more documents elsewhere? >> there have also been claims that trump wanted the documents and that's one of the excuses and there was talk of a trump library that not that he would be allowed to have something in there. >> there was a discussion at a blase level and almost a joke that trump could have a presidential library, and the legislation and history, and it's not like he had a lot of

documents and from the time in list administration, and whenever it was brought up and it was in the context of wouldn't it be funny if he would bring it up as a defense now and it's one of the arguments that he raised expect. we know in 2021 that there was a rash of debts of american spies that were being caught and killed. this is a very real circumstance and the cia has admitted to that, and we are not saying that we know that there is some connection between the documents and those events? but they did happen at a time when trump did have custody of sensitive information that he should have had. we think about victor vesselberg

and trump world, his house recently got raided and his yacht got seized. who might want to investigate -- who might want to do bad things to the united states and might not be on our side, and i wonder how frustrated you think law enforcement must be knowing that they can't look into any of that. >> both are intelligence community and our law enforcement community must be beside themselves right now because donald trump absolutely has information and evidence about how those documents that he stole and unlawfully concealed at mar-a-lago might have compromised national security. the reason i state that definitively, because he knows, who he let take the snapshot and the information that was in

those two or three empty classified documents folders. in his and from outward appearances and has done nothing to extract it from him, and just imagine if other living presidents and president bush and president clinton and president carter and president obama had information up here that could help protect our national security, that could help mitigate a national security threat, do you think they would just sit back and keep it to themselves? they couldn't spring to the executive branch quickly enough to share it, to provide it, to mitigate the threat. this executive branch, this department of justice has not at least as far as we know demanded donald trump sit down for an interview and debrief to provide the information he has up here about what he did with those documents that could help protect our nation and this

department of justice hasn't subpoenaed him to divulge what he knows about compromise our national security and i know that brings with it problems of a successful prosecution difficult? one thing at a time and the first step on the road to trying to protect our nation and the third thing that they could be doing and they're not, they could be arresting donald trump because they have probable cause plus, plus, plus arrest him, mirandize him, and miranda is still a thing and interrogate him. if he waives his miranda rights and extract from him information that can protect our national security as best we can tell the department of justice is doing none of that. >> you know, elie, glen had tweeted the other day after learning today that trump had 43 empty folders in his office that

should have contained documents and the fiber seizing properties from new york and the florida home of victor, and would this order from this judge prevent if in a separate investigation of victor vesselberg who is a russian oligarch whose yacht was seized and would this prevent federal law enforcement, can they do any investigation whatsoever per this order? >> it's not so much that the forder would prevent that although there is a credible argument that it does. it's that victor vekselberg's attorneys will say that the order prevents that. the other side is trying to win, too and what trump judge cannon has done is given the bad guys more ammunition to try to shield

their clients from accountability, criminal liability and responsibility and trump telling the truth, right? so that's what you always have to remember. there's always two sides of the argument and the bad people hire lawyers, too and so that's what they're going to say, thanks a lot, trump judge. another investigation this you've probably just ruined with your idiotic order. the bigger context here and it goes to what glen is saying that trump stole he's documents, clear as we can tell, some time in january or december of 2020, right? that was a long time ago and we knew that he stole these documents or at least law enforcement knew he stole these documents for all this time, let him voluntarily return some documents two years later that simply confirm the severity of what is useful and how dangerous it was and it took him another

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♪♪ ♪♪ for millions of american families the labor day weekend marks the end of summer and the beginning of a new school year. two years into the pandemic which reached havoc into traditional ruling schools are the new battleground for culture wars and teachers are bearing the brunt of it and after demanding the kids rip off their masks and let the virus rip through their lungs, and banning

books and any part of american history they don't like and demagogue being gender and sexual orientation, trying to re-open the 1950s closet which is drove some great teachers under ground or out of the profession. he's manufactured culture wars, have indeed left teachers who are paid 20% less than similarly situated folks in other industries and left them exhausted and heading for the exists. a report the by the national education association finds that 55% of teachers expect to leave their profession sooner because of the pandemic. that is a 37% increase from a year ago. that exodus has left states struggling to staff up their schools. the president of the florida education association told "the washington post" that he estimates there is a shortage of at least 8,000 teachers in the state. in nevada, roughly 3,000 teaching jobs remained unfilled across the state's 17 school districts as of early august and in arizona there are more than

2,000 general teacher vacancies along with 800 special education teacher vacancies. they have come up with a patchwork of solutions to address the gap. in nevada they want to raise salaries and to teach in florida classrooms and even if they have not completed a bachelor's degree and arizona educators no longer need a college degree to teach in public schools. joining me now is becky pringle president of the national education association and the director and founder of the boston university center for antiracist research andest is best-selling author. his newest book is "magnolia flower," it comes out tomorrow and probably will be banned in florida immediately thereafter. thank you both for being here. >> becky, i do want to start with you. we just recently had a teacher strike in ohio and for my

producers, i'm jumping around, you had teachers walking out because they were unsafe buildings and there was inappropriate ventilation and they wanted class sizes that they could actually deal with. they wanted to add things like art, music and physical education in the schools and the strike only ended, the walkout ended after teachers received a 4% annual base pay increase and a promise that the schools would be climate controlled by 2025. in the meantime they still have to be in those schools and 4% ain't much. talk to me about the stresses teachers are under between the pandemic and the fake culture wars and just their physical environment and pay? >> it's good to be with you again, and joy, and you, too, dr. kende, happy labor day. let me start out by giving a shout out to america's workers. >> honoring what they do for us, and joy, i want to say this. they're right to have a

collective voice to have the wages and working conditions that allow them to take care of their own families and return to them safely. certainly, you know i taught science for over 30 years and this time of year was always so joyful and we were all excited and that's true of america's educators all over this country. some who have been in schools for quite a few weeks now and we always are so eager to be back with our students and with our colleagues and there's no question that as we go back this year and we continue with the teacher story when i say that we're done with our professionals and our special education classes and bus drivers and everyone saw that, counselors and nurses. our faculty members. all of them, we know that this is not new. joy, i've been talking about this for decades and this is a chronic problem and covid exacerbated it just like everything else and we know exactly what we need to solve

this crisis and i need you to listen to educators. they are telling us what the solutions are. >> and you know, dr. kende, thank you for being here. i mean, there is a teacher shortage that is urgent, you know. kids are going back to school and may be facing teachers who came straight from the military and that's the crisis being faced in some of these states. meanwhile, what republican lawmakers and people like ron desantis and the governor of virginia and youngkin are focused on is banning books, like your book. 1145 book titles so far have been banned in red states. 1,145. 874 authors have been banned and nine translators have been banned and they have occurred 86 school districts in 26 states. that impacts 2,899 schools with a combined enrollment of over 2

million students. in florida, for instance, this don't say gay bill bans instruction ever sexual instruction of gender identity in third grade and since instruction has stopped woke act including prohibiting instruction of race and the past. this is what it's for, they're teaching at george washington and thomas jefferson were opposed to slavery and not teaching that they owned slaves and that is what is deemed appropriate in schools. your thoughts? >> this to me is just an incredible tragedy, and in many ways they want our classrooms, they want classrooms with young, impressionable minds to almost feel like trump rallies where we can't find the truth, and i think that's why to me it's a

major tragedy and unfortunately educators are fighting back, certainly authors are and in many cases you will have kids walking into classrooms without experienced teachers and with new books and you have classrooms where teachers don't know if a book is permissible and they're taking books off the shelves. can you imagine that, joy? we have kids walking into classrooms with no books. this is the effects of these book bans. >> i can imagine it because one of the best things about the first things of school besides getting your new school clothes was just being with your friends and in the classroom. especially when you're young the classroom was full of amazing books that you can read, they're essentially taking that away from children and miss pringle, making teachers be afraid to be

in school, whether they're afraid to get fired if they say the wrong thing that ron desantis or glenn youngkin doesn't like. there is a hot line and a tip line in the state of virginia where people can rat out a teacher that said something that made a white student feel uncomfortable. that sounds like communist china, not america. >> what you can dr. kende are talking about really goes to the heart of why 55 -- 55% of america's educators are considering leaving the profession and what they talk about is a shortage of respect. that's what they talk about and when they talk about respect, what they mean, of course, it's professional pay, but they go further than that. they talk about professional authority and autonomy to make teaching and learning decisions about our students. so when we talk about teaching a complete and true history of this country, that is something

that a professional has the training and the knowledge to make decisions about, in collaboration, of course, always with other educators and our partners and parents, but here's the reality, when we have things like that and we have the politicization of education in this country, of course, not only are educators leaving the profession, but what about our students and they're not going into teaching because they see that they are not teachers, they're not respected as the professionals they are. >> and not paid very well. >> i'm going to end this book -- i'm going to end this segment because i love books and you have a new book and i'll ask you, dr. kende to tell us about your book and we'll put a picture of it back up and i hope people will find a way to get it even if it is banned in florida which i'm sure it will be, i'm sure ron desantis is working on that now. >> "magnolia flower" is a short

story of a book of that title and it's basically told between a mighty river and a small brook, and the brook asked the river to tell me a love story and ultimately the river -- she doesn't want to tell the brook the story, but they decide to do so and it's a beautiful love story of freedom. >> i hope that my friend ali velshi will add it to his banned book club as soon as desantis does what he's probably going to do for it, and i'll get a copy for myself and for people as gifts. thank you both very much. britain's conservative party picks the uk's next prime minister after a series of controversies and scandals for boris, boris johnson. we'll get a live report after this. johnson we'll get a live report after this

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benefit high-income earners over low-income ones, and of course she sees no issue with that. the economy is on the minds of many. energy costs in the country are expected to go up by 80% this year. prime minister truss will have a lot on her plate. joining me now from london is nbc news senior international correspondent keir simmons. tell us about ms. truss and what should we expect from her other than lots of lower taxes for very wealthy people in the uk? >> reporter: well, she has politics in her blood. right the way from her student days, she knows the conservative party very well. in a way, joy, she is that classic british conservative that she will change her positions for power, and i don't necessarily mean that in a disparaging way. it's just the british conservative party are famous for being able to hang on to power. what they're hoping is that liz

truss will walk into downing street behind me there tomorrow and be something like a fresh wind, saying, i'm going to change everything. now, one of the things she's proposing to do is thatcher, right? people have compared her to thatcher. she is saying the problem with redistributing wealth and trying to look after people in the lower rungs is what we really need to do is cut taxes and regulations and expand the whole economy. sounds a lot like margaret thatcher, doesn't it? and she means for it to sound that way. the problem is, she faces a whole bunch of other challenges. there is another prime minister from another era, harold mcmillan, who allegedly said, when he was asked what his biggest challenge was, joy, events, dear boy. events. and i think that's what liz truss will find the most difficult as she gets into office tomorrow. >> let's talk about the labor party because this huge scandal, boris johnson was just scandal-plagued, he gets driven out.

is the labor party just simply a dead organism in great britain? no matter how bad things go for the conservatives, poor old labor can't get anywhere. >> reporter: they aren't leading in the polls, joy. my namesake, keir stormer, who leads the labor party here, they are leading in the polls, but it looks as if liz truss is suggesting she will wait another two years for a general election. by the way, that's a sore point amongst many here who are opposed to the conservatives, saying, well, this was a bit like a kind of primary where the general election is already decided. the conservative party's just swapped leaders. they're allowed to do that. this is a party system. we don't elect a president here, so i think the labor party's thinking its prospects looking ahead could be pretty good. again, this is politics, though. events can determine everything. >> yeah. events, indeed. always a pleasure. keir simmons, thank you so much. really appreciate you. have a wonderful day. all right, guys, don't go anywhere. the second hour of "the reidout," early bird edition, is coming up next on this labor day. up next, the extremism of maga

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very foundations of our republic. >> vilifying 75 million citizens as threats to democracy and as enemies of the state. you're all enemies of the state. he's an enemy of the state, you want to know the truth. >> without a hint of self-awareness, donald trump accuses president biden of being hateful and divisive and the maga crowd is so upset to be called semi-fascist. we're going to look into whether you actually even need the "semi." plus, the new attacks on voting rights in georgia. the trump team is trying to cancel as many voter registrations as they can before election day. and we begin this hour with president biden's optimism in the face of maga extremism. we are awaiting biden's second event on this labor day holiday from midterm battleground state of pennsylvania. earlier today, the president was in another state on the front lines of a fight for american

democracy, wisconsin. ramping up his push, entering a critical nine weeks of campaigning before november's midterms, reminding voters once again what's at stake. >> i want to be very clear up front. not every republican is a maga republican. not every republican embraces that extreme ideology. but the extreme maga republicans in congress have chosen to go backwards, full of anger, violence, hate and division. but together, we can and we must choose a different path. forward. >> this hour, president biden will speak in pittsburgh in his third visit to pennsylvania in just the last week. including his speech in philadelphia, highlighting the threat posed by those maga republicans. the center of that threat, the former president, was also in the keystone state this holiday weekend, speaking at a rally for pennsylvania's maga republican candidate for governor, doug mastriano, and senate candidate dr. mehmet oz. trump basically went full fascist, denouncing the fbi as

vicious monsters despite recent actual attempts by his fans to attack federal law enforcement and calling president biden an enemy of the state. in his philadelphia speech, the most divisive speech ever delivered by an american president. pretty rich coming from donald trump. while maga republicans are leaning into their perennial self-portrayed victimhood or being called out as threats to our democracy, a reminder that this is what the former president said about democrats in a campaign speech in minnesota in 2020. >> destroy our second amendment, attack the right to life, and replace american freedom with left-wing fascism. left-wing. we're going left-wing all the way. fascists. they are fascists. some of them. not all of them, but some of them. but they're getting closer and closer. we have to win this election. >> of course, the former president did not win that election, and his speech over the weekend proved that president biden's claims about

the maga philosophy is 100% accurate. trump even threw in a threat, the likes of which nobody's ever seen. here's how congressman jamie kaskin explained this philosophy. >> two of the hallmarks of a fascist political party is they don't accept results of elections that don't go that their way, and two, they embrace political violence. i think president biden was right to sound the alarm about these continuing attacks on our constitutional order from the outside by donald trump and his movement. >> joining me now, joan walsh, national affairs correspondent for the nation, dean, and susan del percio, republican strategist and msnbc contributor. dana milbank, author of "the destructionists: the 25-year crack-up of the republican party. "thank you all for being here. i want to start with where we ended there, because, you know,

jamie raskin is a constitutional scholar and congressman and a gentleman, not somebody who just throws out ad hominems, describing what fascism is, and a core component of fascism is the use of political violence, brown shirtism, the mussolini style as much as hitler. let me play lindsey graham. he tried to somewhat walk back his threat that the maga base would be in the streets riots. he decided to double down this weekend. >> if it's just about mishandling classified information, we've had a standard set when it came to hillary clinton. i said something i really believe. if he does what she did with classified information, and he gets prosecuted, and she didn't, it would create a problem. >> susan, this is lindsey graham trying to put a gentlemanly hat

on the brown shirtism that he displayed last week, in which he said, violence is going to come if he is prosecuted. and let us just remind ourselves that hillary clinton did not take classified documents home, have empty folders full of classified documents in her house. she had a server that she was working from home on and james comey himself, even when he blew up the election because she had that server, said, she didn't meet these four tests, clearly, intentional, willful mislandlording of classified information, vast quantities of materials exposed in such a way as to support mishandling of conduc indications of disloyalty to the united states. you could say donald trump did all those things. that comparison doesn't wash. that dog won't hunt, as lindsey might prefer me to say. how is it that now you have what used to be mainstream republicans -- this was john mccain's supposed best friend -- is now justifying saying that there will be blood in the

streets, basically, if donald trump is treated the way every single person on this panel and in this country would be treated if they stole classified documents. >> it just makes me wonder what donald trump has on lindsey graham, because there is no way to explain it, honestly. joy, i was on your show a year ago. i said it plain and simple. we are seeing the republican party turn into a party of neofascism. i stand by that statement 15 months later. that's what it is, when you see the call for violence in the streets with not believing in the election results, just like congresswoman raskin said. this is a dangerous place. if we're wondering, can it happen here? it already has. january 6th happened and we could see something much worse come this november if donald trump does, in fact, try to rile up his army because that's what it's becoming and looking like. look at some of the pictures of

protests and rallies, they are dangerous. and we know they come with literally guns. we heard that in testimony from january 6th. so, we're not out of -- we're so not out of the woods, and what joe biden has done, president biden gave a really strong speech, and i loved it. i believe everything he said. i just need stronger messengers to deal with those independents and right or moderate republicans. because they're the ones who we really need in these elections come november to keep a sane governance in order, and right now, that's the democratic party. we need to see independents, republicans come out for the senate candidates that are willing to make our country work. and put country above politics. so, i just want to make sure that we have the right messengers doing that. >> you know, and dana milbank, you have had adam kinzinger denouncing direct attacks on the fbi, when maga -- a maga fan literally went into an fbi

office, armed up. there's already been threats. fbi agents are being threatened. so you have threats against law enforcement. you have an insurrection in which there was a violent attack on the capitol, in which they beat up police officers and left five people dead, eventually. you have the demands that procreation be achieved at the behest of the state, essentially state-mandated birth. you have an anti-immigrant mania and you have a cult of personality. if you look up fascism in the dictionary, you're going to find all of those things. so, i'm really not sure what the republicans are all upset about, other than the fact that it was named. >> well, joy, what they are, in fact, doing, republican leaders now, is using a fascist technique to rebut it, and that is, you make the ingroup feel as if they are the victims. so, they're coming around and saying, president biden is calling you, the average republican, a fascist. that's not at all what they're

doing. this is like when nancy pelosi called kevin mccarthy a moron and he made t-shirts labeling "moron" and he thought republican voters would want to buy it and identify with being morons. they don't. kevin mccarthy's the moron, not his voters. kevin mccarthy and his colleagues are using -- i don't know if you want to call it fascist. they're using fascist techniques. that's what a fascist does, and they're using it, again, to rebut this and turning around and saying, they're victimizing you, the in-group. they're going after you. they're coming for you. classic textbook fascist maneuver. so i think it's absolutely right that biden calls them out, and all democrats not be afraid to do it and say, we're not talking about you, the republican voters. you're being bamboozled by these guys who are using fascist techniques, and it is un-american. this is not how we do things here in the united states of america. >> but it has been. dean, you and i have -- you

know, we've been called out of our minds for saying "fascism", you know, and like susan, we've been saying this for more than a year. we've been saying this for a long time, my brother, and getting beat up for it. but the reality is, you have to call a thing what it is and be definitional about it. the word maga doesn't mean anything other than if you go back, it's what fascists used to say, make america great again. it's very hard to escape it. what do you make of the fact that biden got there? biden is the most biden-y biden person in the world, meaning, he never wants to offend anybody. he's very -- he tries to be inoffensive all the time, and the fact that he got there, do you think that is what maybe -- i don't know, what do you make of the fact that he finally got to where we have been for quite a while? >> i think he was reading my tweets, joy. i'm pretty sure that's what did it. i've been tweeting for over a year, daily reminder, today's gop is no longer a political movement. it is a fascist movement that has embraced white nationalism and wants to impose its

religious beliefs as law. boom. shorthand, we call the gop. that's what we're dealing with. take a step back. you mentioned hillary clinton. when they were investigating hillary, do you remember, uh-oh, they indict hillary, hillary supporters are going to commit acts of violence. we didn't hear that because that's the normal way things go. if someone's indicted, they defend themselves in court. not trump. not the gop. joy, i actually believe that after january 6th, and i don't think i was naive, they said, this guy can maybe terrorist attack. we saw kevin mccarthy go on the floor of the house and make it clear that's where they're going. then they realized they can't win without him. cbs polls showed 60% of republicans view january 6th not as terrorism but as an act defending freedom. that is -- that should scare people. we're dealing with a movement, as president biden talked about, that political violence and cult worship is how democracies die. maga is how democracies die. i'm glad president biden tried to sort of walk that gap between, here are good republicans, and there's still

some, and then here's maga. it's no longer republicans versus democrats. it is americans versus maga, and that's the fight and framing i would like to see going forward. >> it's called quarantining. he's trying to quarantine this group of people, some of whom are his voters, but these are the people who are willing to essentially kill and die to keep donald trump or to make donald trump president, i guess, president for life? i guess that's what they're looking for. it's a cult of personality. he's quarantining them from other republicans. joan walsh, it is frightening. this is a cbs poll, and they ask a few questions. in the generation, the u.s. will be more or less of a democracy? 54% said it would be less of a democracy. same as it is now, only 27% of a democracy, only 19, less of a democracy. 54%, including 56% of independents and 64% of

republicans, saying the u.s. will be less of a democracy. one more poll. cbs poll on the future of political violence. 64% believe political violence will increase. 64%, joan. >> i hadn't seen the one about -- the fact that it's republicans who think there will be less democracy and it seems like a lot of them are cheering for it. and i personally believe there will be more political violence. how could there not be? we've just been seeing this uptick. you know, i want to go back to something susan said, because i do think we need independents and even moderate republicans. i totally agree. but i also think something biden's doing right now, the president is doing right now, is roaring, revving up his base. his base has been dispirited. progressives, black democrats, people haven't seen enough until recently. things have gotten better recently. enough of that fighting spirit. so i think that is definitely important. the other thing i think, joy, is we are being let down by a lot of our colleagues in the media,

because they nitpicked biden's speech. they nitpicked the coloring. they nitpicked the marines. and they have, again, created this kind of false equivalence between his, you know, naming of extremism and trump's rhetoric, and there's no equivalence. so, to the extent that i worry about democracy, which is actually a lot, part of it is that we don't have -- we still do not have a media establishment that is rising to the moment of -- this threat to democracy. and the final thing i'll say, because you and i have been through a lot of twitter wars together about a lot of things, and sometimes it might be about race, and somebody -- some white -- let me just say, some white person, me, did something maybe kind of racist, and then you'll see these white people pop up and be, like, well, not all white people. and i always want to say, if people aren't talking about you,

then don't answer. accept they're not talking about you. and that's how i feel about the republicans who are, like, oh, he's calling us fascists. if you're not a fascist, he's not talking about you. so, lighten up. don't take it personally. but, you know, it's all about grievance, so there's no way for them not to take it personally. >> 100%. it is the whininess, right? maybe it's not neo-fascism. it's whiny fascism. and susan, i think it's an excellent point, because part of the thing that doesn't get put in when people talk about fascism is that it isn't just not believing in elections and wanting to have a strong man who remains leader forever and is unquestioned and elections don't matter. there was an aspect, particularly of mussolini-style fascism, of demanding that women bear for the state. bear more children for the state. particularly white, european women. bear more children for the state. we literally even have that, and that is being aggressively pursued by republicans in state

after state after state in a way that is even scaring some republican women and saying, whoa, hold on a second. this has gone too far. when you have all these aspects of it, talk about the extent to which that abortion question has motivated republican women to maybe rethink their blind loyalty to the party. >> oh, i think it's having a huge effect, and if we look at kansas, and we saw the referendum go down there, it was by republican women. republicans voted in that primary. but we also need to make sure we don't confuse the fact that it's not that those women were pro-choice. it's that they're anti-extremism. they don't like where the party has come down. they don't like the fights that they're seeing in the state legislature about complete bans. i came to -- with the party, up in the early '90s, where all i saw was pro-choice republicans from the northeast. it was a very common thing. i think that a lot of republican women, and even, you know, moderate republican men, are

just shocked by how extreme this issue has come, and even some pro-choice -- pro-life members, or elected officials, say, oh my gosh, incest? how can you be -- how can you prevent that? it's just horrible. and i think going forward, the republican party is going to have some big regrets over how this decision played out. that's not to say that pro-life people don't, you know, are fine with it, but don't confuse the two. there are those who are pro-life, and there are republicans who do have a problem with it. >> and dean, you know, you talk about this a lot, that, you know, you come from a community, the muslim community, who get branded with whatever the most extreme person who claims to be a muslim, who are usually perverting the religion and don't know anything about it, and then the whole community is told, you need to condemn that person. you need to condemn that. it feels like what biden is

doing is saying, no, that doesn't just apply to communities who are minority communities and minority religious communities. that applies -- if you guys are going to say that, like, for instance, about the muslim community, say that to each other. if you have people in your life who are saying elections shouldn't be real and trump should be elected whether he gets 10 or 40 million fewer votes, we don't care. nobody should be allowed to vote who doesn't vote for maga. shouldn't other republicans be told, yeah, you should condemn that? >> absolutely. look, during a time of trump, how often do we hear the idea, oh, republicans don't speak out out they're afraid and i say, no. they don't speak out because they agree with it, and i think we have to come to that point where we understand, this republican party, kevin mccarthy, down, are on board with the fascist train if it delivers them power. and yeah, if you don't denounce terrorism, that means you agree with it. well, republicans, here's your chance. have a rally. denounce donald trump. why don't you? why don't you reject the

election deniers? there was a great article in the "washington post" recently about the battleground states, michigan, pennsylvania, over 60% of the republicans who won the nomination in key positions that administer elections, are election deniers. if they win, they are democracy killers. where are the republicans speaking out about that? instead, you have president biden speaking out. gop is going crazy. the people hate political correctness. what's the pc term for fascism? i don't know what you call it. is there a nice way to make them feel good about themselves? i wish the extremists would be drowned out in the gop, but i think, honestly, the extremists are the gop with a small exception, because the good people for the most part have left the party. >> yeah. that's why the independents tend to sort of lean close to republicans, because they were republicans. they were, like, i'm out of here, and now they're independents. as we wait for joe biden in pittsburgh, we're just showing you that picture. he's getting ready to roll, so he's going to be rolling very soon. i want to thank you joan, dean,

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with just 64 days to go in the mid term elections, allies of donald trump are actively trying to kick thousands of georgians off the voter roles. voter ga is challenging the

eligibility of more than 37,000 voters in gwinnett county, a once solidly republican suburb of atlanta that has voted democratic since 2016. the group is founded by patrick byrne and qanon pledge devotety michael flynn, who you may remember, twice pleaded guilty to lying to the fbi. georgia, of course, was ground zero in donald trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election. these challenges would not only make it more difficult for scores of registered voters to cast a ballot, but also would place an even heavier burden on the already strained state elections officials. joining me now is state representative bee nguyen, the democratic nominee for georgia secretary of state. and thank you for being here, representative nguyen. this is frightening. 37,000 voters challenged. it's also weirdly familiar, because i do recall that brian kemp did something quite similar, challenging more than

30,000 voters to sneak to victory as governor. is this the same playbook or something different? >> thanks for having me on, joy, and you bring up a really good point. this is not new in the state of georgia, the attempts to influence the rules on who can show up and who can't show up to an election, and so we now, under secretary of state kemp and secretary of state raffensperger, hundreds of thousands of voters have been purged off of our voter roles and in many cases, erroneously, and we also know it impacts black voters at a greater rate than any other voter, and if you remember, in 2021, right before the two u.s. senate runoffs, another trump allied group, true the vote, came in and challenged the eligibility of 37,400,000 voters. republicans responded by passing a senate bill that enables anybody to en masse, systemically challenge hundreds of thousands of voters all across georgia, going to our local election boards, and

putting that burden on our local election boards and requiring a hearing within ten days of those complaints being filed. >> i mean, when this bill was called jim crow 2.0, republicans howled. and yet, this is literally jim crow. this is literally taking somebody who took the time to register to vote, challenging them, and making them justify being on the roles. let me read from this story. georgia law allows the state to take over elections boards. many clerks are worried if they don't do a quick vetting or the challenges lead to longer lines, they will face a state takeover. one more bid. the gwinnett challenges bring the total this election cycle to about 65,000 due largely to a 2021 overhaul of georgia voting laws enacted in response to unfounded allegations of widespread fraud in 2020. the law effectively encouraged these mass challenges, as you just said. this sounds like more than the

margin by which kemp won as governor. and so, i wonder, are you concerned that because these mass challenges are now perfectly legal under this law, that essentially, kemp is going to be -- because of trump allies, they're going to be able to use subtraction to win? and that includes herschel walker. >> right. we're looking at a state where in 2020 the margin was 11,780 votes. when you're look at massive voter challenges taking place all across georgia, with no guidance from the secretary of state's office, these local election boards, they're scrambling, talking to their county attorneys, making sure they are following the law, and they are in fear of being taken over if they feel like they're not following the law as prescribed. what they have done is a work around that does not allow mass purging 90 days before an election. and they're doing it, as you

said, with just seven, eight weeks before a major election cycle. and so, what they have done is they've created new laws to try and prevent people from showing up, because they know the margins in georgia are going to be close. >> what can voters do? if they -- are they notified that they're being purged? do people even know before they show up to vote? you're running for secretary of state. what would you advise georgia voters to do today? >> check your voter registration and check it often. if you are being targeted like these voters have in gwinnett county, that 37,500 voters in gwinnett county, you will receive a letter in the mail. what i'm also concerned about is when you look at a county like gwinnett, it is extremely diverse. it is a population of black voters, asian voters, and latino voters, and oftentimes, these notices, they are sent in english only, so this is an all hands on deck moment in which you've got to check your voter registration. if you get anything in the mail, you've got to call voter protection and make sure you're

taking all the right steps to make sure that when you show up in november, you can actually vote. we are a state that does not allow same-day voter registration, so if you are removed from the roles after october 11th, you will not be able to vote in georgia. >> can the department of justice -- i know when eric holder was attorney general, they were suing states for doing stuff like this. any word from the doj? >> well, i know that there's litigation pending around this very same provision, specifically litigation that came to light right after true the vote came in and tried to remove those 364,000 voters. and according to federal law, you cannot systematically remove large numbers of voters within the 90-day blackout period. so i believe we will see litigation move forward, given the federal protections that we have in place. but again, in a state like georgia, where it's this close to an election, the results of that litigation is not going to be before this november

election. >> and it is not coincidental that the ticket, the democrats who are running, are yourself, representative bee nguyen, running for secretary of state, stacey abrams running for governor, who, as you said, came within a hair of brian kemp when he became governor after purging more than -- i think it was something like 35,000 people in the rolls, and of course, senator raphael warnock, who's running against herschel walker. how concerned are you that this will not be a free and fair election? >> well, i'm very concerned, not just from the standpoint of these voter eligibility challenges, right? we're looking, again, at a state with a very slim margin, and that 98-page voter suppression bill does take away voters' ability to use drop boxes that we saw helped voters' ballots get in time. it does also chip away at the time period in which a voter can request and receive an application to vote by mail, and we have seen the rejection rates increase on the application side, and when the voter

actually receives the ballot in hand, we've seen the rejection rate increase as well, and then we're looking at these inane provisions like criminalizing handing out water to a voter in line, in a state like georgia where people had to wait up to 11 hours in 2020. we have this new rule about having to vote in your precinct, even if you are in the correct county, you are no longer able to vote by provisional ballot. it's all those things added together that creates a situation in georgia where there's voter intimidation, voter suppression, voter subversion, and we know that all of those things are going to add up. so, we, on the other side of the aisle, democrats, we know we have to outorganize, we have to turn out our voters like we've never turned they would out before, because we've got to make up for these little margins here and there because of these new voting laws in place. >> this is jim crow, period. it just is. georgia state representative secretary of state candidate bee nguyen, thank you so much for being here, and alerting us to this. we're going to send this -- we're going to post this on our

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any moment now, president joe biden will take the stage in pittsburgh, pennsylvania, where he will deliver remarks on unions and the dignity of the american worker. this is biden's third road trip to his home turf in recent weeks, coming just days after his primetime speech in philadelphia on the threat of maga extremism. and since labor day traditionally kicks off the final stretch of the midterm campaign season, the president is joined by pennsylvania democratic senate candidate john fetterman. covering the president in pittsburgh is mike memoli. back with me is dean. do we have -- there he is. there's mike memoli. what are we expecting to hear today? is biden going to reprise some of the themes in philadelphia, or is he really going to be focusing on the issue of the american worker? >> reporter: well, joy, when i talked to white house officials about sort of the way in which

president biden is approaching the midterms, they talk about it as sort of a two-pillar strategy. the first, we saw very clearly on thursday night with president biden offering that very stark warning about what was at stake in this election if that so-called maga extreme wing of the republican party is put into power after november. today, you know, we talked about that thursday night, right? the burden president biden has felt as having to govern almost by himself without republicans in office. today is much more of that happen warrior joe biden that we have seen so much over the years. he's making what is a much more optimistic case to the american people about some of the successes of his administration on the economy, and it is interesting to see, you mentioned john fetterman, we just saw the two men, the president and the lieutenant governor, potentially the future senator from pennsylvania, together for the first time since biden was last in pittsburgh a few months ago. this was pre-primary. this was before fetterman's stroke. there's been a lot of talk about which candidates are appearing and not appearing with the president as we approach the midterms. that was something we did see and will see fetterman next up

in the speaking program. but when you talk about the importance of pennsylvania, not just to this president but to this party, you see in the governor's race, which josh shapiro versus doug mastriano, a real emblematic race about what is at stake in terms of a democrat who is running very much on the warning about abortion being overturned, a complete ban being put in place in pennsylvania, versus him, who's willing to protect women's health -- reproductive rights. mastriano, somebody who was at the capitol on january 6th, an insurrectionist. you have in the senate an example of democrats potentially being on offense here. no mistake, joy, that the president was in wisconsin before this and pennsylvania today, just now, because those are two states where democrats think they can pick up senate seats. and then you look at the house races that are four toss-up races in pennsylvania, according to the cook political report, democrats feel they face some political headwinds but there has been a real reversal in fortunes here, so the president,

when he speaks, is going to be talking about the ways in which he thinks he is the most pro-union president in american history, the importance of working people, and the infrastructure law, the c.h.i. .p.s. act. i was talking to connor lam before at the parade earlier today, and he said, listen, democrats need to grapple with the fact that donald trump is energizing republicans at this moment. he, of course, has run in a race twice with -- in a district that is trump-friendly, and he's managed to succeed, but he said, we all -- we saw every time trump came into the state, when he was here in pennsylvania on saturday, the numbers for republicans went up, so he said, we're prepared for it this time. but joe biden needs to be out here energizing union workers, women, the pillars of what they call the biden coalition just as much as donald trump is now out there energizing republicans, and conor lam said you do that by talking about the economy. >> and don't go anywhere, mike, because i want to come back to you in just a second. but dean, i want to bring you in

here as well. you see fetterman up there, and john fetterman sort of represents the working class vibe that is very similar to joe biden's, to be honest with you, biden is originally from scranton, there in pittsburgh, and you see all those union shirts around him. that is one of the battlegrounds between trumpism and democrats, is that union worker. i remember interviewing a bunch of union workers back in 2016, and was surprised how negative they were about the democratic party, about the democratic candidate, and open they were to donald trump. they -- he used that, like, steel worker, man of steel kind of message to start to lure those folks over. is there a sense that biden is winning them back? >> you would hope so, because look, i've never seen a president more pro-union than president biden. as mike was saying, talking about championing what's known as the pro average past the house to help organize unions, and we've seen a real-world impact of this, joy. we've seen a big spike in

petitions to the national labor relations board to form new unions. amazon, google, starbucks. you've seen unions now the highest by gallup, 71% in decades. and i think it's part of president biden. i'm a union guy. i think unions should be the backbone of the democratic party. the gop has somehow stolen them away in the past on other issues. the gop wants to destroy unions, because unions level the playing field. they help you negotiate with your employer to make sure you get more wages and more benefits. so, i'm hoping we can get some of our union voters back to us. we are the party of the working class. >> and mike, we're still waiting on biden. john fetterman just got off the stage, and that is a big deal for joe biden, right? a big part of his origin story, the unions have organized for him in every race that he has won. how important is that community to biden himself? and his politics? >> yeah, absolutely, joy. i mean, you talk about pittsburgh as sort of central to the joe biden political story. i was here four years ago when

he had something of an audition for his 2020 candidacy, marching in that labor day parade. you can't really march in parades much more as president of the united states. he would have liked to be there this morning. but i talked to biden four years ago, and he talked about being labor from belt buckle to shoe sole. that is very much how joe biden considers himself to be within the democratic party. and, so, we saw liz shuler, the head of the afl-cio nationally, replacing rich, who had that job for a long time. it's a good time to be the head of the afl-cio with joe biden as president because she flew on air force one with him to pittsburgh, and when she was speaking to this union audience earlier, she said, listen, we need to get back to basics. we need to get back to the grassroots. we need to be talking to our fellow union members about successes, and she rattled off that list. things that happened only because joe biden is the one in the white house, a pro-union president, and that's something that they are keenly aware of. the union vote up for grabs of late and they're determining to keep it on the democratic side. >> i want to note that the

president of the pittsburgh steelworkers union is who is speaking right now. he is the man who has been tasked with introducing the president, so we should be seeing president biden walk up to that podium any moment now, because this is going to be his moment. do we know how long of a speech it's going to be, mike? never mind. here comes president biden. he's taking the stage, and we're going to take a listen now. >> it's good to be almost home. well, i'll tell you what, you know, this is a pretty critical election, to state the obvious. before i start, i want to say a word about a few good friends that we lost. a guy named jack shea, some of you knew, and pat gillespie. both, good friends. people i work with my whole career. they had an attitude that could

be summed up in one, in my view. a little bit like my dad would say. everybody, everyone, no matter what your background is entitled to be treated with dignity. with dignity. with respect. you know, i want to thank the elected officials here today. bobby casey's been a close friend of mine for a long time. his dad and i were friends as well. as a matter of fact, we are -- our age is split. his dad is much older than me than i am to bobby, and we raised the same neighborhood in green ridge about five city blocks away. went to the same grade schools. i moved because when coal died in scranton, there weren't any jobs. my dad was in sales, not in mining, but we moved back down to delaware where he was from. moved to a little steel town called claymont, delaware.

whole community was built, a company town, literally. and steel died. it was dying, and there's not a single steelworker left. but know what happened was, about midway through, i got elected -- i got very engaged, in my case, in the civil rights movement, and as a kid, i was -- i worked a lot in the movement and worked -- and i got deeply involved in the democratic party because the democratic party in delaware was a southern democratic party. we were more a southern state than a northeastern state. and i got involved and one thing led to another, and one day, a group came to me, of the senior members of the party, and said they wanted me to run for the senate. i said, i'm not old enough. and i wasn't. i was only 29 years old. and a former chief justice, whose family had more united states senators than any family in american history, looked at me, and he said, you obviously didn't do very well in law

school, joe. he said, you don't have to be 30 to be elected. you have to be 29. you can be 29. you just can't get sworn in until you're 30. and so, one thing led to another, and i ended up deciding to run. but i was having great difficulty getting support, even though people liked me or at least the labor guys liked me. they didn't think i could win. until i got brought up to pittsburgh by the local leader of the steelworkers in delaware. and into pittsburgh and came to here and met with then president of the steelworkers. and he endorsed me. about nine weeks out. and i won by 3,100 votes, so the fact is, you guys own me. you know what you're going to be getting. and look, folks, bobby, representative boyle, representative lam, gainny, your

county executive, who's a hell of a guy, and john, if i have to be in a foxhole, i want john fetterman with me, i tell you what. i want john in there with me. i mean that sincerely. look, there's a whole lot ofher. i don't want to keep you standing much longer, but let me just say a couple things. number one, the -- you know, i started my campaign because tom jumped in and convinced me -- didn't convince me -- made the case i should run. that train ride, i was campaigning for democrats. i was out of office. i was campaigning for democrats. but you know what? this is not your father's republican party. this is a totally different party, man. these guys are different. i've worked with a lot of republicans, conservative republicans i worked with. got a lot done, but there was also something decent about the work. but then we moved to this place

where all of a sudden the reason that made me run, i decided, was when you saw those people coming out of the fields down in virginia, carrying torches, literally coming out of the fields carrying torches with swastikas, chanting the same anti-semitic bile that was chanted in germany in the '30s, accompanied by the ku klux klan. and the guy i beat in this last election, when they asked what he thought, he said, there are really fine people on both sides. i said, something's wrong. that's when i talked to tom and others about helping me out. he decided to help me out. because look, folks, here's where i think we are, and i'm going to be brief. the fact is that i think there are periods in history where we reach certain inflection points, where everything is going to come after is going to change what's been before for the next generation, and we're at one of those points.

happens every six or eight generations. things are changing. they're changing rapidly. you see everything from what's happening in europe and india, from russia, china. things are changing. and the united states has to regain its footing and remember who we are. and so one of the things that i concluded was that, you know, those inflection points are the places where you look back two, five, ten years later, it's not what it was before. it's either better or worse than before. not going back to the same. and i'm absolutely convinced -- and i mean this. no one's ever doubt that i mean what i say. problem is i sometimes say what i mean. all kidding aside, one of the problems to me was this new group headed by the former president, the former defeated president, we found ourselves in

a situation where we were either going to look forward or look backward, and it's clear which way he wanting to look. it's clear which way the maga republicans are. they're extreme. democracy is really at stake. you can't be a democracy when you support violence when you don't like the outcome of an election. you can't call yourself a democracy when you don't, in fact, count the votes that people legitimately cast and count that as where you are. you can't be a democracy and call yourself one if you continue to do what they're doing. and so folks, look, we have a choice -- when we -- trump and the maga republicans made their choice. we can choose to build a better america, or we can continue down this sliding path of oblivion to where we don't want to go. you know, under the american rescue plan -- and i'm not going to go through all these things, but just to give you an example, we created nearly 10 million jobs in my first 16 months. 10 million new jobs in america.

an american rescue plan also created and saved millions of jobs. why? because here in the state of pennsylvania and almost every state didn't have enough money to keep teachers on the payroll, to keep firefighters on the job, to keep police on the job, to keep people -- nurses and docs on the job. and so what did we do? we in fact gave the money the make sure they did it, and this governor, your governor, spent it well, hiring thousand of firefighters and the likes. and what happened was we found ourselves, because of the greed of some companies we found that an awful lot of union members were about to lose their pensions. so we did something that hadn't been done significant will i in 50 years for labor, we passed the butch lewis act. and they told me i couldn't do

it. they really did. and we didn't get any republican votes for it, but we got it done. we got it done. because it's just about basic decency and fairness. and look, every single republican voted against that. every single one. the bipartisan infrastructure law -- they're building roads and bridges and ports. as a matter of fact, i'm going to be back here not too long from now, because we got $60 million to rebuild that bridge that collapsed the day i came here not long ago. folks, the money's going to go to expanding the nearby -- nearly 100-year-old failing lock and dam outside pittsburgh. but it makes a big difference in terms of the economy. we're going build a new terminal at the pittsburgh airport. we're doing this all over the country, and it's creating good decent jobs. but the reason why i talk about unions is not just because it's where i come from. it's more than that. it's more than that.

i said i spoke to the business round table, the ceos of the largest companies in the united states. the national chamber of commerce. and i have been straightforward with them. i said, look, i'm a union guy. i support them for one reason, it's in your interest. they look at me like, what are you talking about? you are the best trained, most skilled worker in the world. no, i'm not just saying that. most people don't realize to join a lot of the trade unions you have to have four, five, six months -- six years of training. it's like going to college. you get paid there, but not very much. but you're the best in the world. and it makes a hell of a lot of sense for america to spend more money than something that lasts on the cheap. you heard me say it before -- wall street didn't build the middle class.

wall street build america. the middle class built america, and unions built the middle class. that's just a fact. and by the way, the other thing, i would have been in the senate a long time, vice president. i realize -- in the early '30s under roosevelt. the press is looking at me, what's he going to say. he said, buy american. any money a president spent that was appropriatuated, he insisted the money could only be spent on american products. guess what? we're buying american, and i get to spend, of your money, i get to allocate over $600 billion -- $600 billion every year, and they're american made products made by american workers in america. and that's why we're moving.

where is it written to say we can't be a great manufacturing hub in america -- in the world again? we make sure now over 640,000 new manufacturing jobs. where does it say we can't do this? so i start off with the proposition that it's about just basic decency. i'm not going to go on much longer, i promise. here's what's happened. you know, we don't have a tax system that's fair at all. it's not even close. i have been push for tax fairness for a long time. but guess what? they told me i couldn't do that either. there were 55 corporations in america in 2020 that made over $400 billion and didn't pay a single penny in income tax. not a single penny. now they're paying a minimum of 15% in their income tax. and guess what?

talk about the inflation reduction act. i have been fighting since i was a senator, fighting a long time, fighting for the pharma companies, fighting to medicare can set the price they pay for drugs and negotiate for those drugs. you don't have to raise your hand, but any of you have a child with type two diabetes who needs insulin? it costs those outfits 15 bucks to make and package. that's all it takes they charge somewhere between 625 bucks a month and 1,000 bucks a month. it's wrong. they can make three and a half times the profit that it cost them to do it. well, they said it couldn't be done. well, guess what? we're able to change it. working a long time, allowing medicare to negotiate drug prices. we pay the highest drug prices in the world here in united states of america. there's no rationale for it.

we finally passed, medicare is negotiating. no senior because of what we did in the inflation reduction act, no senior, no matter how big their drug bills, if they're fighting cancer or an another serious problem, they'll not have the pay more than $2,000 a month no matter what their bill is. no matter what their bill is. they need insulin, they won't have to pay more than $35 a month. >> whoo! >> i have been fighting -- i have been fighting pharma for my entire career. my entire career, and we finally beat pharma. we finally beat pharma. not a single republican vote. not a single vote. well, i tell you what, the fact is that there's a lot more we have to do. like i said, we built