>> yeah. >> go ahead, joel. >> after he died in all of those stories came out, we kept our one mission was to just follow the truth, whatever the truth is. or what we're going to believe and it is what really happened. >> yeah, i was just going to say everyone i've talked to have said nothing but good things about seth. he was bright and charismatic and an impressive young man. mary, if can you speak to it, you sort of referenced it a little bit earlier, you're still tortured by this conspiracy theory to this day. i think about even the sandy hook families because of some conspiracy theorists making you have lies that they've had to suffer even further and move and go into hiding and all of these things. what has it been like for you asa try to mourn the death of your wonderful son to have this additional pain brought upon

you. >> well there is no mourning like you know mourning. there is scared death and i watch out of the window all of the time. i watch our monitors 360 all of the time. i watch around me and my family all of the time. and if anybody is coming at my at the wrong angle, and stood there too long, i watch their eyes, i watch every movement because the torture is still there and those people that wanted to become famous off my son, that still hasn't gone away. and i'm waiting for -- i'm waiting for the help to hit every day. >> it is one minute past the top of the hour and we are speaking

with joel and mary rich, the parents of seth rich. about the impact conspiracy theories have, especially on them in light of how their son's murder was covered and the narrative created around it. we'll continue the conversation just let you know. we're also following breaking news about queen elizabeth ii. apparently gravely ill. and steve bannon due in court in the next half hour or so. we'll be covering that live as well. but we continue now with joel and mary rich. and mike barnical has the next question. >> mrs. rich, you've lived a double nightmare, you and your husband for all of these years, the nightmare of losing your son. the nightmare of being surrounded by conspiracy theorists and having your lives put in peril because of their conspiracy theories, including that of steve bannon who has been indicted today in new york city. but my question to you is, today

no one has yet been arrested for the murder of your son. today, there is a retired district of columbia police officer who played a part in developing this conspiracy theories. >> oh, yeah. >> and do you follow, an open murder case is an open murder case, it remains open until there is a solution and until someone has been caught and arrested for it. do you follow up with the d.c. police department at all on this? >> oh, yes. i made a promise to my son, i laid my hand on the casket and i promised him i will find his murderers before i die. and he's keeping me to that. but we talk with the -- i want to call his name but i'm owe not going to, we speak often, we want to make sure that the tasks

are being done and handled and, in fact, i was just getting ready to call him again. we're not going to let up on finding our son's murderers and, in fact, people don't understand that the day this opened up, the all of this happened, was the day it made it almost impossible to try to find my son's murderers. so, this six years has just screwed up everything. for trying to find the main -- the main course which is my son's murderers. >> joel and mary rich, we see how so very proud you are of your son seth who was living his dream of service and wanted to help people and that is what people should know about him.

thank you so much for joining us and talking about the unbelievably horrific torturous impact of conspiracy theories promulgated by certainly outlets that will not be mentioned right now. investigative reporter for propublica, andy kroll, thank you as well. the new book is entitled "a death on w street, the murder of seth rich and the age of conspiracy." thank you all very much for being on this morning. we turn now to the breaking news from the u.k. where buckingham palace issued a rare statement this morning saying doctors are concerned about the queen's health and recommended she remain under medical supervision. the 96-year-old monarch appeared frail when she was last seen in photos on tuesday, receiving the new british prime minister liz truss. both prince charles and prince william has rushed to the

queen's summer residence in scotland to be by her side. the bbc reports that harry and meghan are traveling to scotland and already in the u.k. joining us now, u.s. special correspondent for bbc news, katty kay. what more are you hearing as we look at pictures here of the longest running monarch for the u.k., the second longest running monarch in the world, some 70 years. she became queen at 25 years old and now we're hearing reports that she could be quite ill. >> it is a very brief statement, just three lines from buckingham palace, mika, but it is unusual. the palace doesn't like to put out bulletins about the health of the royal family, particularly the queen. earlier this year she had covid and a statement was made before her platinum jubilee back in june. we were told that she had

mobility issues and wouldn't be attending some of the jubilee events. she was there for two appearances on the balcony at buckingham palace. and then this week she, as you said, she met the outgoing prime minister boris johnson on tuesday and the incoming prime minister liz truss on tuesday as well. and we saw the photograph of her. she did look frail. she was with a walking stick. but she was standing up and she was smiling in her house in buckingham palace. and she looked well. but then yesterday we also had a statement saying that following the advice of her doctors, she had decided to cancel a video meeting with the privy council last night and i think that was the first warning sign that she had had a long day and she was tired and that was perhaps a warning sign that she was feeling particularly frail. and this statement that koim out this morning. so it is unusual for them to put up a statement and it is unusual for the whole family to respond in this way. for the prince charles and

prince harry to be up there and prince william, it is the gathering of family as you like as much of the statement that suggests that her health is in serious condition. >> and we've also just learned, that meghan and harry are on their way. they've been in europe this week, coincidentally doing events so they'll be there in scotland in a short time. katty, the palace has had some time to prepare for what could be coming here. we hope not. we have to grapple with that possibility that prince charles could make his ascension to the throne in not too short of a time. what will that moment look like one day when it comes and is he prepared for the job? >> yeah, i think we should start by saying, willie, she's 96, but the palace is saying in the statement and they're making a point of saying that she's comfortable in ball morrow and my understanding from our people

in the u.k. who cover the royal family much more closely than i do is that we are being cautioned against assuming that she's had something catastrophic like a fall or something like that. so we know she's comfortable. but you're asking a completely legitimate question. prince charles who has been waiting so long in this role if you like as heir apparent to the throne and his mother who has lived so long, he has been stepping up. during the course of the year, when she has had what has been described as mobility issues and quite short notice and this is unusual, she's pulled out of events and prince charles has stepped into the events. he played a big role during the jubilee celebrations and it was royal watchers back in the u.k. when i was there for the jubilee said this is as much a thank you to the queen for her service, for her 70 years on the throne but it is also a way for british public get used to prince charles being in this public position. so he was there for the opening of parliament. it was not the queen's speech.

it was delivered by prince charles. the first time since the queen was too frail. so he's been stepping into key moments throughout the course of the year and it has given the british public to do these moments are all of the regalia of the monarchy. they do pomp and circumstance well and they do pomp and circumstance better than anybody. and to see the furs and cape and the velvet, i think it puts him into this elevated position and while he's not the queen, he doesn't have her longevity in terms of the global stage, he has -- he does command respect. she has incredibly high approval ratings among the public and she will be missed. prince charles has very big shoes to phil when the time comes to do that. >> and we don't want to get ahead of ourselves here. we hope for the very best for the queen but we did get a

statement from the buckingham palace, her doctors are concerned for her health and they recommend they remained under medical supervision. meanwhile, moments ago steve bannon arrived at a new york courthouse to surrender to new york state prosecutors. the manhattan district attorney's office has been investigating bannon's connection to a fundraising effort called we build the wall. federal prosecutors allege bannon pocketed $1 million in that scheme. tom winter is live outside of the courthouse. tom, what more could you tell us? >> reporter: right, willie. well steve bannon arrived here at 9:09 this morning which is about what we expected. he'll be in the courthouse behind me at approximately 2:15 when they will figure out what steve bannon has been charged with but all sign ready pointing to, as you suggested, that we

build the wall, when he was indicted along with three other individuals saying that they made promised according to federal prosecutors though people that they would not take a time. this was a volunteer effort, that all of the money for we build the wall and an effort to privately build the southern border wall between the u.s. and mexico, that all money that people donated would go to that. shortly after that indictment, i was on with you and joe and mika and we were talking about the charges and what prosecutors alleged then. including individuals that came forward and said, look, we have very limited means, but we're happy to donate to it and one of the people that was charged an later pleaded guilty, brian colfax, made statements to them through text messages or direct messages saying, no, i promise you, all of the money is going to go to this wall-building effort. but according to federal prosecutors, it didn't. they set up a nonprofit for

which they moved money through and paid colfax and prosecutors said that bannon benefited and hi personal expenses were paid for out of the money for those donations. so it is not clear what specific conduct bannon will be charged with today or the specific state statutes so we have no idea what potential penalties bannon could face if he is convicted. bannon pleaded not guilty at the time to the federal charges. case never went to trial because as we all know he was pardoned by former president trump before trump left office. so we never got to see bannon in court and examine the evidence in this case and now we'll figure out what state prosecutors want to do here. bannon pleaded not guilty and issued a statement first to nbc news and our colleague kristen welker two days ago directly addressing this indictment that is expected today saying he'll essentially fight to the death and that he also raised

questions that this came up so close to the midterms. i would note, state prosecutors are not guided by any guidance as to when they can or cannot, or should or should not indict an individual with political sensitivities like bannon does. willie. >> so tom, let me ask a follow up on this precedent this would set. if bannon is charged for lying about a political fund that he set up to build a wall that wasn't for building a wall, that begs a question, how many state attorney generals could bring a suit against donald trump with similar charges that they have on their books for him raising hundreds of millions of dollars to, quote, stop the steal, for a legal defense fund that didn't go to a legal defense fund. >> reporter: i appreciate the question. it is a good question. i think we need to look at the fine print on what that fund is for, what it is being used for. and is there any sort of

controlling legal framework that he has to have spent the money already. if other words if i had a tom winter defense fund, is there anything that said when i have to spend it. because presumably trump could possibly argue, well i am raising it for legal defense fund. i just haven't happened to use it yet. it is a little bit unclear how they could bring that. the assertions and the way they moved federal someone, they didn't follow laws and back in 201-we reported that manhattan district attorney's office looked at that case and said there is a lot of potential violations of state law here and that is why they decided to bring forward their investigation, look at that indictment by prosecutors for the u.s. attorney's office for the southern district of new york and say, this probably is a path here for our case to move forward and it appears that that is where we are. one thing i want to mention, a lost of folks point the out what is the difference between this

and the manafort case. he was pardoned and after he was found guilty of several counts, pleaded guilty to a host of others from cases that stemmed from special counsel robert mueller's office and they ruled that they were afoul -- they were afoul of double jeopardy laws when they brought that case. it is different because bannon never went to trial. so that is the key difference here in why this case is expected to proceed, at least further than that case did. >> okay. nbc's tom winter, thank you very much. in just a few moments, we're hear from kristen welker with the latest on the fbi search of former president trump's florida estate. in fact we're going to that right now. the justice department and trump's legal team are both facing a critical court deadline with that, and kristen welker has the details. >> this morning all eyes are on the justice department as it

weighed whether to grant the former president's request for an indeed third party review of the documents taken from his mar-a-lago estate. federal agents said they received 11,000 government documents including hundreds with classified marks. according to "the washington post," and not confirmed by nbc news, one of the documents described as foreign government's milt defenses, including its nuclear capabilities. the justice department said it would arm governmental interests but has not said what it plans to do next. now the doj is getting back-up from mr. trump's former attorney general bill barr who has turned critical of his former boss. >> that opinion was a mistake. >> so you think it will be appealed and overruled. >> i hope it is appealed. >> reporter: barr adding he think the doj could be close to an indictment of the former president. >> will the government be able to make out a technical case and have evidence by which they they

could indict somebody on including him and i think they're getting very close to that point. >> reporter: the former president dismissed the investigation as a hoax that is politically motivated. his republican allies echoing these attacks. >> the only reason to leak to the media which is to influence the narrative which tells you this is being politicized. >> many focus on hillary clinton's private email server as evidence of a double standard. clinton who was never charged with a crime and has denied any wrongdoing, telling the "view," that this should concern every american. >> i don't understand how these documents ended up where they are. i don't understand how he was permitted to take them, even to the residence, let alone to a country club in florida. >> with us now, former defense secretary chuck hagel. great to have you here. you obviously served on committees when you're in the

united states senate that had to deal with secure documents as sec def, you handled them every day. how do you think the mishandled of these documents could have on america's national security? >> well, joe, i think the potential is very significant for real damage to this country. first of all, the process of collecting this intelligence, the means, the ways that we collect it, is it a jeopardy here. but there is more than that. i mean, i don't know how deep this goes, how wide this goes, nobody does yet, and nor do we really know or have any idea who may have seen these classified top secret documents. so this is very serious. i think hillary clinton said it. i mean we've never seen anything quite like this before.

and we've got a few more episodes to go here before we get to the end. as to how much damage this could have or might have or did inflict on our national security. >> mr. secretary, good morning. could you speak to, we had secretary cohen on, we had secretary panetta on in the last couple of days. gist to what the consequences would be under normal circumstances for anyone to bring a document, one document like the ones we've seen laid out home with him or her. what might happen to you if you had taken documents home? >> well, you would be charged with various crimes, but more than that, it is the height of irresponsibility. you fail in your job to protect the constitution of the united states. you take an oath of office when you became a senator or a congressman, most government jobs. but as secretary of defense or

any other cabinet member, you take an oath of office to protect and sustain the constitution. that means every element of our government and our security of our government. to keep things secure. so, again, i don't think i could overstate the seriousness of this and what may yet come out of this. >> mr. secretary, you and seven other former secretaries of defense and five former chairmans of the join chiefs of staff recently issued a letter urging that the continuation of democracy in terms of separation of the military from the politics of this country be reinforced given the perilous times that we live in politically. my question to you is when you were secretary of defense, given the cultural and political changes of today, but when you were secretary of defense, did you ever have to worry about how many proud boys or oath keepers were going through recruit

training in paris island or in the military at places like ft. bragg or ft. lennonwood as some are worried about it today? >> no. i was secretary for two years. in 2013 and 2014 and i left the defense department in february of 2015. no, is the answer to your question. although, we were aware of issues in the 1.5 million member force that were started to percolate politically. but nothing that would sound any alarms or set off any red lights anywhere. our focus was on the security of this country, the defense of this country. and that is where the military should be. and that is what that letter was about. it was a reminder of the

responsibilities of the defense department and especially important the separation between civilian and civilian control over the military, you keep the military out of policing, out of figure militaryistic in this country and it is just a reminder to everybody what that responsibility is and has been for 250 years. >> former secretary of defense chuck hagel thank you very much for being on the show this morning. thanks for joining us. >> thank you. and coming up, an nbc news exclusive interview with former nsa translator who was sentenced to four years in jail for leaking classified documents reacted to the news of the documents found during the search of mar-a-lago. plus, as democrats see a surge in support with 60 days to go until the midterms, we'll speak with former campaign manager for barack obama, david

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6:27 in l.a. almost 9:30 back here. let's bring in former obama campaign manager david plouffe. david' newest season podcast campaign hq premiers today. with the first episode focused on the senate race in pennsylvania. which really is one of the fascinating ones. but david, i must say, i've just been absolutely mesmerized by the changes, the cross currents in american politics right now in a year that should be a runaway victory for republicans. it is not turning out that way, is it? >> well, it doesn't look like that, joe.

i think it is one of the more complex elections really in a couple of generations. 1998 as you well know was complicated because of an impeachment and aftermath of 9/11 but this one i think even more so. i still think that republicans probably have a natural edge, democrats with the party in power, have an economy that i think voters think is slightly improving but still challenging. but republicans are a very damaged brand. some of their candidates even more so in some of the key states and the abortion issue is really driving both vote share and turnout. so i think we're going to be -- all of us should be careful about predictions until we start seeing votes counted. but i think democrats have the best playing field they could have possibly imagined, let's say six or nine months ago. this close to the election. let's remember people will start voting very, very soon in a lot of states. >> and let's talk about the abortion issue. i said a couple of days before the election in 2020, i didn't trust polls when i was running,

for office and i didn't trust the polls that were showing joe biden up by like 14 points in wisconsin and it seems that in a lot of state polls have not been accurate over the past couple of cycles and they've mostly broken republicans' way. kansas was different. that was supposed to be a one, two, three point victory for the pro-life side. instead a massive victory for the pro-choice side. i'm curious, do you think we may see that nationwide? does the dobbs decision completely change how we look at the turnout in this election? >> it could. now that was a race about one issue, abortion. so clearly to the extent that a lot of these senate races, the big governor's races, even some of the house races, maybe they're not going to be seen to the same extent but abortion is the primary issue or top two. why would that happen? well it may be that polls are

showing let's say women -- suburb women voters ultimately chose democrats more than a pollster would believe could happen. maybe turnout is really -- is disruptive, meaning democratic turnout is that much stronger. how do you get landslides. you get them in two ways. one party has a huge turnout advantage over the other. the second is that swing voters lean dramatically in one direction and then even some soft supporters of a party move in that election. and i think we'll see some of the voters in this election. i will caution on the polls. most the polls around the country show democrats doing very well. but a reminder, polls have been wrong a lot, and two, if someone is leading a read 48-42, that not 100% of the vote. and those that are undecided and don't choose a candidate, most of them will come home to the republicans so.

i think a lot of races will close but there is no question that democrats right now in many states, if you believe the polls are accurate are close to or sitting at their win number and that is where you would like to be heading into the middle of september. >> and willie, obviously so many people go home, they come home at the end. like with joe biden is sitting at 32, 33, 35% in polls, a lot of those are just democrats that want him to be more progressive or don't like something that he did. they usually come home and it happens on the republican side as well. and you look at all of these polls and at the end of the day, like for instance in arizona, we saw that senator kelly was supposed to be 13, 14 point as head of martha mcsally and that was a nail-biter at the end. that is how most of the votes will end in the swing states too. >> and in the extreme candidates in georgia and pennsylvania and ohio and arizona, the races are tight and david knows that as well as anyone.

it might feel like momentum at the moment but there is a long way to go. i'm curious what you made out of the president's argument, he's in wisconsin and pennsylvania talking about democracy as a fundamental question, that that is on the ballot. and that some of the candidates that are running in the republican side this time around are so extreme that the country might be unrecognizable if they do win. is that compelling to voters? it doesn't get down on the ground with them and talk about inflation and gas prices but is that the idea that these people are too crazy to run the country, is that compelling to voters? >> i would say it happens to be true. and there are moments in our history where you've got to meet the moment. so democracy is very much at risk. you have people all across the country, including importantly people who are campaigning to be secretary of state to run their elections saying, biden didn't win and basically i'm going to run the elections and i'll decide who wins. so if we don't call that out,

we're kind of surrendering. no matter what the polling said in terms of its import. i know that is quaint i think it is pretty important. if we're democracy in january 21st, 2025, maybe we made it through the other side. but from an election stand point, you're trying to build a coalition of any republican, democrat and independent who may disagree on tax rates, who may disagree on how we fund health care, who may disagree on climate change but say for this moment we need to come together and stop the threat. so i think particularly the president of the united states and anybody with a microphone has to continually call this out because it is not a game. we have people running for senate, governor and secretary of state who are saying i will decide who wins elections and not the voters and it is a scary time in american history.

>> david, let's talk about instinct rather than polls. your instinct. and the abortion decision to many people means spg that they were used to was taken away by politics, by government, by the court. never a good thing in people's minds. they're used to something and suddenly it is withdrawn from them. but there is one political party more largely involved in that obviously than another political party, the republican party. so my question to you is, the level of cruelty involved in many republican policies, child tax credits, no, all sorts of things, no, no, no, and the negative, is the level of cruelty in republican politics, is that an untapped resource for democrats? >> it is really interesting. it might be. it is kind of taylor made for the debate stage. you probably remember some of the amazing george carlin bits about this. where you could turn this.

which is, to a republican candidate, listen, your wrong, i think. you want to criminalize doctors and women and basically outlaw abortion and by the way even in states that haven't done that, republicans have made it clear that their going to introduce that legislation. and when they are born, i think you could go through a searing indictment and a hypocritical indictment. and the cruelty is the point and that is what is drives so much of republican primary politics today. and until that changes, you know, i think the country remains at risk. and that is when i will feel a little more at peace, is when on scale you see more republican candidates get through prime ministers who aren't election deniers, who aren't so hateful and conspiracy theory driven. and republicans who believed in lower taxes, you know, stronger

defense, that could actually win primaries. >> those days apparently gone. david plouffe, thank you so much. the newest season of your podcast campaign hq premiers today. and certainly look forward to that. thank you so much for being with us. we love having you on. i just got breaking news that former cnn anchor bernard shaw, the first anchor when the network launched in 1980 is dead at the age of 82. obviously mike barnacle, bernard shaw played such a big part in american politics and american media for so long. >> he did, indeed. he a pivol toll moment in the 1988 campaign when he asked michael dukakis what he would do if his wife were raped. and governor dukakis had not a

bad answer, but not an emotional enough answer for a lot of people and bernard shaw was the one who skillfully asked that question and he was actually, you know, sort of a standard bearer at an earlier time for national television and he a wonderful career and a wonderful life. >> mika, your thoughts. someone who was influenced to get into journalism by people like bernard shaw. >> yeah. i remember writing him, asking for a job. and my father was interviewed by him a lot. and, yeah, bernie shaw. he is iconic in the creation of cable news and in the history of tv news in general. >> we also have to remember, ian garls, she passed away yesterday, too. and she had a remarkable career

and was an influence on journalism. >> for sure. >> what an incredible correspondent for npr, fearless, i believe she may have been the only american reporter on the ground when the bombing -- the shock and bombing of iraq took place in 2003. and, boy, fearless and such an important voice. she certainly will be missed as well. and willie, you worked over at cnn. give us your thoughts on bernie shaw? >> yeah. bernard shaw was there at the beginning of cable news in 1980 when cnn launched. he was the chief anchor. he was the guy. he was the face and someone as a young person growing up watching the news and then having the privilege of working in the same building that he worked in, always looked up to him and admires his style and his straightforward delivery, not

self-aggrandizing, just did a great job every time out reporting the news in the studio and in the field. so he certainly is a giant in our business and someone a lot of us took inspiration from so he will be missed. >> absolutely. >> and, again, bernard shaw has passed away, cnn reporting, at the age of 82. more now on state of the midterm elections. let's bring in political strategist frank lion. but first let's talk about a trip you just made, not on half of anybody or any organization, but just because you wanted to see what was happening. the plight of some countries that have been underreported and also that have suffered so much. tell us what you saw. >> well i wanted to go to africa because i think the continent is too often forgotten. and i saw two different stories while i was there. one is success story, in rwanda,

and the other a disaster in what is happening in ethiopia and the shots you're seeing right now from refugee camp in ethiopia. one of my students from nyu abu dhabi toured me. this is where he grew up. he lives on the ground in a shack with five members of his family and in what would be the size of a -- and the children there, it is so heartbreaking. they have no books, barely any pencils. the hospitals have one doctor for 69,000 people. the kids are all desperate and their hungry. the u.n. has cut the food rations for people significantly over the last six months. the war in ukraine is going to make it even worse over the next six months. and america is not paying attention to it. and it just reminds me, that we're so angry and we yell so much and upset and hostile to

each other when these people have to struggle day by day to survive. i'm grateful to my student who made this trip possible. i'm planning to go back to rwanda to endow some universities and i want to back to the refugee camp. the faces of the kids are unforgettable. it was hard to take photographs. the deplorable conditions, the inhumane conditions, i can't take pictures of those people. ten women giving birth and only a single doctor. one oxygen mask for the entire 69,000 people. it would break your hart. whether we are republicans or democrats, it doesn't matter. whether we're having an upcoming election, it doesn't matter. when these people are barely surviving. joe, it changed my life, it changed my outlook and my perspective and i hope viewers take it seriously. >> what does america, what does the world need to do? >> it cannot just give money,

because these money are being taken by the dictators. we have to been honest and stop with the politics and the ideology and the moralization. these people are being killed by their own leadership. you have governments that take billions of dollars in u.n. aid and usaid and they spend it for arms and we have a genocide 28 years ago in rwanda, we may have one in south sudan in the next couple of years. you have be on the ground and go there and be there. we cannot depend on governments, we have to do it person-to-person, organization to organization. >> frank, thank you so much for bringing us that. as important as elections are, gaming midterm elections seem trite compared to what you said and that will move governments

an the united states obviously, the greatest influence in the world and hopefully we could move towards having a greater impact in places like rwanda, ethiopia and sudan that is still struggling. let's talk about your big takeaways on the elections. david plouffe agreed with me and most people that this should be historically, if you look at history, it is a good year for republicans but it the nor a variety reasons right now. the polls are much closer. and i just saw the recount just posted, a speech from a senator from south carolina who was on the floor and it was south carolina senator katrina shealy responding to the legislature

removing the rape an incest and i think you're miscommunicating with god at all. republicans are starting to say that. we see extreme legislation passed and other states regarding rape an incest and the life of mother. i'm wondering what impact do you think that is having? do you think the republican party is going to positions that are too extreme for swing voters for independent voters, for the people that decide these elections? >> yeah, we're watching it in our own polling. two months ago republicans have a seven point advantage and now it is down to two points. when the republicans are talking about cost of living, prices, gas, energy, electricity, food, shelter, they're winning. and when they are talking about abortion and the other social

issues, they're losing. an they're talking about the promises that joe biden made, they're effective. when they are talking about donald trump, their ineffective. and joe, the democrats have had a perfect storm over the last 60 days of the supreme court decision to what has been going on with gas prices, and they're making every -- they're taking every advantage they have. i'm looking at the spending numbers and the fundraising numbers. he still believe republicans take the house. i still believe quite frankly democrats keep the senate. maybe gain a seat or two. and that is because the democrats have been running a perfect text book campaign over the last 45 days. and it is the reason why the republicans are about to announce this commitment to america, very specific policies and on budget and taxes and well and education, health care, things that the american people want and need and that is why i do believe that they'll keep the house and why i frankly believe democrats will keep the senate. >> all right, political

strategist and pollster frank luntz, thank you very much for coming on this morning. especially with your thoughts at the beginning of this interview. and up next, the former nsa translator that was sentenced to four years in prison for releasing classified documents after revelations of the classified documents found at mar-a-lago. gabe gutierrez joins us with what she told him. we'll be right back. told him. we'll be right back. with the farmer's dog you can see the pieces of turkey. it smells like actual food. as he's aged, he's still quite energetic and youthful. i really attribute that to diet. get started at longlivedogs.com

former nsa translator reality winner served four years in prison under the former president's administration for leaking classified information to the media. it was the longest sentence ever imposed on a civilian. nbc news national correspondent gabe gutierrez sat down with her since the fbi seizure of classified documents at mar-a-lago. gabe, what did she say? >> reality winner, as you said, was released from prison last year.

she's still serving out probation and will be doing so until 2024. she has a strict curfew that's imposed each night. she can't really travel very far. she says that she does regret what she did. we wanted to speak with her to get her perspective on the fbi search of mar-a-lago. after all, she was prosecuted by the trump administration for leaking just one classified document to a media outlet. now with so many classified documents allegedly found at mar-a-lago, i asked her what she thought when she first heard of the evidence revealed by the doj. take a listen. >> was it hard to believe? was it surprising? >> it wasn't hard to believe. this is a guy who really likes trop trophies. i don't know if he actually had much thought behind it. i'm not really here to speculate on that. but it is incredibly ironic. >> incredibly ironic, she says. she says she deeply regrets what

she did. she said she wouldn't do it again if she had the chance. surprisingly to some people, she says she does not believe former president trump deserves jail time. instead she says that the espionage act is incredibly inconsistent and vague, in her words. she says it needs to be reformed. she's also skeptical of the doj's motives in this. she says the agency, unfortunately, in her view, has been weaponized by many administrations. again, she does not think former president trump deserves jail time here. >> all right. so interesting. you can watch more of gabe's interview with convicted former nsa translator, reality winner, tonight on "nightly news." thank you very much. joining -- willie, actually, you have the latest on the breaking news on queen elizabeth. >> we want to turn back to the medical condition of queen elizabeth. joining us from london, nbc

contributor wilfred scott. >> it is an incredibly sobering moment for the nation, more so than over the last couple of years when we've learned the queen has health issues. why? two key factors. the first is we have an official statement from the palace. a prompt statement that confirms she's under medical supervision and that, quote, doctors are concerned for her. on top of that, senior members of the family are traveling to be by her side. we know prince charles and camilla are already there. all three of her other children will make their way there, if not there already. prince william, second in line to the throne after prince charles, is also traveling to be by her side, amongst other extended members of the family. so, it's clearly a very serious moment. and the seriousness was evident in the house of commons, in parliament earlier. a debate was ongoing at the

moment this news started to break. that serious sentiment was summed up by the new prime minister, liz truss, who said the whole country will be deeply concerned by this news and that my thoughts and thoughts of the people across our united kingdom are with her majesty, the queen, at this time. the last time we saw the queen was two days ago when she appointed the new prime minister, liz truss. and she did look frail on that occasion. albeit positive and smiley two days ago. highlighting her commitment to her duty that she wanted to be there to appoint the new prime minister, despite obvious frailties. >> yes, 96 years old, still carrying out her duties. to appoint that new prime minister, the 15th since she took the throne. thank you so much this morning. mike barnicle, as we close our program this morning, the coverage will continue shortly on msnbc, but your thoughts. we're certainly sending our very

best to the queen. the buckingham palace says she's comfortable, but it tells you something that the family is rushing up to balmoral to be with her. >> growing up in a household where my grandparents and own parents felt they never lived in america under a president other than roosevelt. for the people in great britain and the world, actually, queen elizabeth has reigned since 1952 and there's going to be a majority of people in great britain who never knew no other -- >> 70 years, 70-year monarchy. stay with msnbc for the latest on this developing story and much more. that does it for us this morning. jose diaz-balart picks up the coverage after a final quick break. allergies don't have to be scary. spraying flonase daily stops your body from overreacting to allergens all season long. psst! psst! flonase all good.

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10:00 a.m. eastern, 7:00 a.m. pacific. i'm jose diaz-balart. we begin this hour with breaking news. queen elizabeth's doctors say they are concerned for her health and have recommended the 96-year-old monarch remain under medical supervision. right now, all of the queen's children, as well as her grandsons, william and harry, have either arrived or are on their way to balmoral, scotland, where the queen has been residing. we have that live picture to show you from right outside the castle in scotland. this happened in less than 24 hours after the queen canceled a