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tonight on "the reid out" -- >> it is a day of great loss, but queen elizabeth ii leaves a great legacy. today the crown passes, as it has done for more than a thousand years, to our new monarch, our new head of state, his majesty, king charles iii, god save the king. >> after a remarkable 70-year rein queen elizabeth dies peacefully at home in scotland. tonight the drastic changes to her empire over the years and the persistent fascination with her family here and the former
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colonies. as the british people grieve the only monarch most of them have ever known. >> she's been part of my life forever and, you know, she's not here. she's gone. and, you know, you hope, but you appreciate that, you know, her age, it was expected at some point, but when it happens it's still a shock. >> we begin tonight with queen elizabeth, the longest reining british monarch whose rule spanned 7 decades. she died today at the age of 96. make no mistake, it is a watershed moment. there is a new king and it's a moment intrinsically tied to this specific queen, a towering figure so profound her very name defines an age. while her death raises important questions about how or even if the monarchy will go on. it isn't just brittain's mourning or reacting, it's people all across the globe and certainly here in the u.s.
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our fascination over the royal family reached a fever pitch during the princess diana years and in many ways continues today. moments ago president biden and the first lady signed condolence books at the british embassy in washington to honor queen elizabeth. >> we mourn for all of you. she was a great lady. we're so delighted we got to meet her. >> the president will also address the queen's death tonight as world leaders extend their condolences to the world family and to the british people. queen elizabeth was the second longest reining ruler in history. louie xiv ruled the longest of all. she covered 14 u.s. presidencies. that's nearly 30%, by the way, of all of american history. she saw 15 british prime ministers come and go. her first, winston churchill was born in 1874.
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compare that to brittain's newest prime minister, liz truss, who was born in 1975. that is an entire century between the birth years of these leaders who served this queen. as leaders changed, as countries fought for independence from the british itself, queen elizabeth remained a figure and a witness to a tumultuous period spanning the mid 13th century to the 21st. the first ever coronation ever televised. she was the first television queen. stepping into her role just years after india won its independence from british colonial rule. in a famous speech elizabeth as a princess made this promise as she celebrated her 21st birthday on a royal tour in south africa. >> idea claire before you all that my whole life, whether it be long or short, shall be
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devoted to your service and to the service of our great imperial family to which we all belong. >> we cannot talk about this queen, the british monarchy or the u.k. itself without confronting the colonial horrors during this period. and how queen elizabeth as institution and icon reined during the remarkable decline of the empire, from the wave of independence sweeping across africa and the caribbean in the 1960s. the list just goes on and on and onto the british handing hong kong back to china ending a more than 150 years of colonial rule. british overseas territories do still exist. at its apex it claimed roughly 1/4 of all the land on earth. the once global empire was crumbling before elizabeth
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ascended to the throne. this, too, will forever exist as part of her legacy, the last colonial queen. joining me is nbc's kelly cobiella and shola, author of "this is why i exist." kelly, this has been a day of mourning throughout the british empire -- great britain, i should say, including scotland where the royal family had their home. >> reporter: that's right, joy. people are coming out tonight braving the rain here in scotland as well as in london and in windsor to lay flowers to mark the moment when the queen, the longest serving monarch in this country, a queen who has reined over this country for 70 years, has now died. we first knew something was not right at about half past noon local time here in the u.k. when buckingham plals put out an
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unusual statement, unusual in its very strong language saying that the queen's doctors are concerned for her imagine guess city's health and that she was going to be watched by her doctors basically around the clock. that then followed by her children rushing to her side. prince charles, now king charles, and princess ann were already in scotland. prince andrew and prince edward and prince william, her grandson, prince harry both making their way to balmoral, her country residence here in scotland as well. we knew that she hadn't been doing all that well, particularly over the past year. we heard almost a year ago that she was having episodic mobility issues. the palace never elaborated on that. we had no idea what the cause was or what the real issue was. we did see her from time to time walking with a cane, but we also
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saw her walking of her own accord under her own power. of course, the latest picture of her just two days ago beaming, smiling widely in scotland as she received the new prime minister, liz truss. but, again, at that time using a cane. she has been canceling events lately as well. that was another clue that perhaps her health was deteriorating. she had looked thinner and more frail. and then today, just six hours after that first statement came out from buckingham palace, another statement at 6:30 this evening local time saying that the queen died peacefully this afternoon at balmoral. king charles iii put out his own statement after the queen's death. of course, he became king immediately upon her death saying that it's a moment of great sadness for me and members of my family and also making note of just the outpouring of
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emotion from people, not just in this country but in the commonwealth, and around the world, really, because she was a beloved and admired monarch in many parts of the world. over the next week and a half this country, of course it's in mourning. there will be ceremonies here in scotland as well as in london and in windsor. the public will be invited to pay their respects as the queen lies in state in london next week before she's laid to rest in windsor with her late husband. >> thank you. let's bring in dr. shola, msnbc world contributor ms. lipscom. this is a sound bite from 1940. this was a radio broadcast by then princess elizabeth. take a listen. >> we know, every one of us, that in the end, all will be well.
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for god will care for us and give us victory and peace. and when peace comes, remember, it will be for us, the children of today, to make the world of tomorrow a better and happier place. >> you know, you think about the fact that this is a 14-year-old girl whose father was not originally meant to be the king. he's the brother of the king. he's thrust into the monarchy. that means her life basically as a little girl is over. she enters that era of life with quite a bit of poise. can you talk a little bit about her and her longevity and her ability to change and shift with the times? do we have susannah lipscom? okay. i don't think we have her. i'm going to dr. shola on this. because i think for a lot of brittains, this is the only
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queen they've ever known. we're talking about people your age, your grandmother's age. for my family even over there, this is the only queen they've ever known. she was able to adapt. she did prove to be remarkably adaptable. >> well, i suppose the first thing i'll say, i think a lot of people, yes, are right now paying their respects at the longest reining monarch of the united kingdom. she meant different things to different people. i would question whether or not the monarchy was able to adapt because i would say that in the last number of years, and i do mean last few years, i think there would be a question about whether or not they did adapt because there were many cases where people felt that they were out of touch, right? what she did stand for i think and what she represented was -- was a system and a protocol and a way of the way things are and have always been.
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and i think from that perspective people saw her as a leader and a light, somebody they could rely on with a stiff upper lip and the queen is never changing. so i would not necessarily agree that she was adaptable, so to speak. there are so many examples where people felt the royal family was out of touch. >> you know, i said that because when diana came along, i think for a lot of americans who were very much obsessed with for whatever reason these colonies, this country are very obsessed with this royal family. especially diana. she was a very different royal who reached out to patients with aids, would touch people without gloves on. the royal family had to adapt to her. it was wrenching. when she died. the queen, the public relations of it was so difficult. she had to embrace her in death
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in a way that i think was difficult. you talk about camila who was involved in that whole thing where they now had to accept the idea that a divorcee could actually be queen. there was a time when the brittains they were not sure they could invite a divorced person to go to a state dinner and now they have somebody who is a divorced woman who is married to the now crowned king. >> that's correct, but i -- i would not say that the royal family adapted to princess diana. quite frankly the opposite is true. if they had, when she passed away, it was because of the outrage of the public in not seeing any demonstration of affection or sorrow from the royal family that forced the queen and the royal family to come out. and princess diana was a whole different -- a whole different human being from the queen and from the royal family. what you saw with princess diana
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was somebody that was relatable. you felt princess diana was your sister, your friend. she showed emotion. you didn't really get that with the queen. the queen was very much, you know, arm's length. i think people roman at this sized her as you would, say, a grandmother, but the institution that is the monarchy was very much at an arm's length from the public. so i would say i think, yes, you're right, that circumstances of the modern world forced them to have to take a step back and go, okay, look, we can't carry on with you can't marry, you know, a divorced person, right? they had to make changes. >> right. >> especially when it happened with princess margaret, different stories. so with charles who had, i would say, i mean, to be fair to him, he had borne the decision of his parents to marry other than someone he really wanted to marry. >> right. >> i think it made sense that he ended it, okay, we tried, that
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didn't work out. okay, marry who you want to marry, but i would not say they adapted as such because then you have meghan markle, which is perfect example of how the royal family has not adapted at all. >> yeah. i do think we do now have susannah lipscom. i want you to weigh in on this. it does seem queen elizabeth, the late queen elizabeth, she did occupy this space doing it first on radio and then television. it was a much more public royal family, if i may say. much more accessible because you could see their lives and see them as a family. do you think that has changed the way that the institution evolved? >> yes. i'm so sorry for leaving you hanging earlier there, joy. i think that's absolutely part of it because, of course, we know that hers was the first televised coronation. half the adult population of
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brittain watched it even though there were only 2.5 million tv sets in the country at the time. and then went on to choose to have her christmas messages broadcast from 1957 and so that meant that each year there was an opportunity, albeit packaged in quite a formal way, to get some sense of who she was, what her values were. i mean, interesting if you want to know something about the queen, you need to look back at those christmas messages. she often talked about her christian faith. she was invariably positive. she often talked about hope. there was one speech where she chatted with the royal children about the name of one of her corgies called dash. she said, you know, the word you say when you are mad.
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and the film about their royal lives which was watched by more people than watched man's landing on the moon. there was an opportunity to see behind the veil, but at the same time, television was often unkind to them. they were parodied in a show films like "the queen," the series "the crown." she's never had a rite of rebuttal. she was never able to say anything in her defense. and we've also most recently seen her humor, as we did at the platinum jubilee, with the paddington moment calling for her handbag. it has given her an insight into her life as well as being publicly maligned. >> i have to show this. it is dramatically changed.
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this is the british empire in 1945. brittain had a massive empire, it was more than 70 overseas territories. by 2015 you can see the reduction in the scope and size to almost nothing. and i wonder how you feel about her having to preside over that massive change in what the british empire was. >> i think this is why we have to accept that the queen means different things to different people, okay? and this is important to note. now -- and just as you mentioned earlier, joy, that the cause at the time she became a queen, she became queen of the british empire and the british empire was akol low niezing empire, which maze her a colonizer queen which is just right now she's revered as a global leader
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because she's the head of state of the united kingdom which is recognized as a global power. i think two things can be true. part of her legacy is that colonization. it is the atrocities that were committed in the name of queen or country during the colonizing period. yes, many countries fought hard. many of them -- many lives were lost. people imprisoned, even tortured in order to be set free from brittain's colonization, so to speak. and she was the queen during that time. for a number of people, while people are trying to be respectful of her passing, because i'm respectful of her passing, i can respect her sense of duty but what i cannot do is to look at her legacy through rose tinted glasses and i don't think that would be right to do. i don't think that would make any sense. it's definitely not consistent with who i am.
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i think in order for us to fully encapsulate a legacy, it is important for us to understand the history, the legacy, what she did, what she did not do, what she failed to do. so for a lot of people, like me, she had led by being vocally visible against racial injustice and inequality in brittain and addressed the historical and present day systemic racism. she would have had a lot of legitimacy and credibility in nations that still have her as head of state. i think this is all part of it. >> let me give ms. lipscom the last word on this. what do you think her legacy will ultimately be? >> well, i absolutely respect what's being said about the british empire and colonization. i think though actually if we were to really look to what the queen's legacy has been, it's been the creation of the
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commonwealth, which has been an institution that has been about people being equal and about creating alliances and professional associations. and i think that she has -- the commonwealth, in fact, has spoke out against, for example, apartheid or challenged a number of sort of practices in the 1970s particularly that were ones that were negative towards people of color. so i feel like actually the commonwealth has been an institution for good and if we were to put her name to anything, it's being presiding over the decolonization, the post imperial world, and that was the institution of which she was most proud. it wouldn't have got off the ground without her. >> susannah lipscom and shola,
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thank you both very much. she met 13 u.s. sitting presidents, 13 of them. queen elizabeth's special relationship with the united states is next after this. ♪ (customer) save yourself?! money with farmers. (burke) that's not wrong. when you bundle your home and auto policies with farmers, you save yourself up to twenty percent. (customer) that's something. (burke) get a whole lot of something with farmers. kinda creepy. ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪ - [female narrator] they line up by the thousands. each one with a story that breaks your heart. like ravette... every step, brought her pain. their only hope: mercy ships. the largest floating civilian hospital in the world. bringing free surgeries to people who have no other hope.
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and this is the perfect time to join them... with the best mobile price for two lines of unlimited. take the xfinity mobile savings challenge and see how much you can save. switch to xfinity mobile today. over the course of her lifetime queen elizabeth met with 13 sitting u.s. presidents hosting and visiting commanders in chief from buckingham palace to baltimore's baseball stadium. she met harry truman while still a princess at 25 years old. truman told her he hoped when you leave you will like us even better than when you came. elizabeth made her first state trip to the united states as queen in october of 1957 where she met with president dwight d. eisenhower. the queen gave eisenhower her recipe for grilled scones. during the u.s. bicentennial
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president danced with the queen at a state dinner to the song "the lady is a tramp" played by the marine band. in 1982 the queen went horseback riding with president ragan. the queen had her first experience with tex-mex cuisine. george h.w. bush took queen elizabeth to a baltimore orioles game. during that trip she received a standing ovation when she became the first british monarch to address congress. the queen also met with president barack obama and first lady michelle obama who during their first visit brought her a video ipod or back to the 1950s. most recently in june of last year the queen hosted president biden and first lady jill biden at windsor castle for tea.
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joining me now is jon meacham, presidential historian and host of the fate of fact podcast. always good to see you, jon meacham. tell us about the special relationship. my understanding is the special relationship was the british idea -- it was brittain's idea, not ours. >> it was. as harold mcmillan once said, former prime minister, we are the greeks in the new roman empire. they saw themselves as a civilizing force for these rude, wealthy new worlders and so they had an idea that their role in the world could to some extent be secured by a close alliance with us, to sort of take us by the hand as we toddled across the world stage. the americans had a different view, as you might imagine, but particularly during world war ii when brittain stood alone against fascism in the western world after the fall of france.
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they earned a good bit of our grateful capital. >> you know, it's interesting. you go back. those who have watched, a lot of people watched "the crown" and get a lot of ideas about the family. >> yeah, sure. >> one of the things that is so striking, elizabeth, her line of succession came from the fact that her -- oh, wait a minute. i think biden is speaking -- are we going to joe biden? yes, let's go to joe biden. >> people in the united kingdom and the commonwealth in your grief now. now let me talk about why we're all here. 60 days, 60 days from the mid-term elections. so i want to be crystal clear about what's at stake in the ballot. your right to choose is on the ballot. it's a fact. not hyperbole. your social security that you paid for is on the ballot. look at what they put out.
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>> okay. president biden is now speaking about the mid-term elections so i'm going back to jon meacham since we are talking about the queen. i was going to say she only became queen because her father had to step in not just because her uncle married a divorcee, but his sympathies. his sympathies were not with the allies. so it is sort of brittain's fate was sort of decided by the fact that he was pushed out and that it was her father and then of course her and so brittain could have had a very different fate. >> oh, 19 -- late 1930s you had a remarkable turn of events where edward viii who had been the prince of wales, who was sympathetic, to say the least, to what was unfolding in germany and also in italy, the tendency towards fascism.
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he abdicates and opens the way for his brother. only had two daughters, elizabeth ii she became as being the senior daughter. she was not born expecting -- no one expected her to become -- to become queen. and i think it's one of those fates, it's one of those moments that is what makes this story so interesting. she's born in the roaring '20s. her fate is shaped in the depression as the world is marching to war because of fascism. the remarkable resilience of the british people and the british royal family during the blitz, which began right about now, in september 1940. for 57 straight days and nights they bombed civilian targets in england transforming warfare by making civilians into combat combatants. her first radio address was in october of 1940 where she talked
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about the dangers of war. and she served in uniform. and that's not myth, that's not legend. all of that happened. buckingham palace was bombed. winston churchill stood there and said, you know, if this long island story of ours is to last, let it only end when we are all choking in our blood upon the ground. that spirit of courage was infectious. we forget, brittain stood alone after the fall of france in may of 1940. and so there are many things to say about the royal family and about monarchy and about the british empire, but that chapter is unsullied, i believe. the other thing that i find so fascinating is she spoke to our politics in this indirect way, but just because something's indirect does not mean it's not real. i want to read you something
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from the night she became queen. >> sure. >> the coronation in 1953 at the recommendation of winston churchill, who was in his second prime ministership. during the mccarthy era in the united states, 1953. this is a year before -- year and a half before mccarthy is censured. this is what she said on the night she became queen. parliamentary institutions with their free speech and respect for the rights of minorities and the inspiration of a broad tolerance and thought and expression, all this we conceive to be a precious part of our way of life and outlook. it was an affirmation of an and imperially realized but perfect sis accidently argued and pursued of anglo american human liberty. lord knows in the 21st century when so many ill-liberal forces are on the march we can heed those words with prophet.
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us, vulnerable. the tragedy of princess diana was an especially dark moment for the royal family. there was growing anger that they were aloof. the queen returned home to pay tribute to diana and faced a challenge to modernize the monarchy. >> i for one believe there are lessons to be drawn from her life and from the extraordinary and moving reaction to her death. >> reporter: queen elizabeth set out to change the face of monarchy. it would be more open, compassionate, in touch with the changing british public. >> institutions which in turn must continue to evolve if they are to provide effective beacons of trust and unity. up next, trump's buddy, steve bannon, turns himself over to authorities in new york. he's now under indictment under a litany of money laundering,
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thousands of trump devotees that he said was not a scam. it was a fund-raiser for lifestyle money for the fundraisers. alvin brag and leticia james announced the indictment earlier today. >> he and we build the wall are being charged for defrauding these donors out of more than $15 million and for laundering the proceeds to further advance and conceal the fraud. >> the simple truth is that it is a crime to profit off the backs of donors by making false pretenses. >> in all bannon was indicted on six counts. you may remember that trump pardoned the former breitbart man hours before. in a statement bannon said this
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is nothing more than a partisan political weapon mization of the criminal justice system, despite the fact that alvin brag declined to prosecute trump. this comes just seven weeks after bannon was found guilty on two counts of contempt of congress. let's get to these charges first, charles. just explain very quickly for those who are concerned that there's double jeopardy involved, why him being charged with the same kind of fraud this time is not that. >> first of all, joy, the double jeopardy rule would not apply here because he was not convicted, he was not pardoned. in fact, he wasn't fully prosecuted on the federal level for these charges so there's no single jeopardy initially that exists. secondly with respect to -- there was a loophole in new york state law which was recently closed by the state assembly which would have ended any
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question around this with regards to double jeopardy but because he was not charged, was not convicted on a federal level, the legal question around double jeopardy is actually far simpler than some people make it out to be. >> this is an interesting sort of development in that what he's charged with is not hurting the republic or fulmenting an insurrection, it's hurting trump donors. i wonder inside of trump world is he being supported or not? it was trump's own people that he harmed. >> that's an interesting question because if you think about it, like you said, these are all trump supporters in new york city who actually sent him money. so the question becomes at a certain point does it become better or worse for business for you to be sort of persecuted by a politicized media and politicized justice system that has been weaponized against all
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things trump? i think that narrative holds to a degree but when you talk about defrauding trump supporters, i'm not sure it goes well. this may not play so well because you've defrauded your own people. >> same question to you, hugo. >> i think trump world's been very silent on this which is always telling. if they want to defend someone, they do that. in this bannon has been left to his own devices, he's left with his own attorney here. i think that's indicative of the fact that trump world isn't that impressed with what happened. the fact that bannon decided to use money that was destined to go towards the border wall and basically enriched himself and his associates. i think even by the standards of trump world that was a bit too far. >> let's go onto the other big development that the justice department has now appealed by
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speaking of trump world, the judge who seemed to be very much on trump's side. the intelligence community's review cannot be readily segregated from the department of justice and fbi activities in connection with the ongoing investigation and uncertainty regarding the bounds of the court order and implications of the activities of the fbi has caused the intelligence community in consultation with the doj to pause temporarily this critically important work. moreover, the government and public are irreparably harmed when they are enjoined. they're trying to get this lawyer, this judge to enjoin her own order and to pause it. charles, i'll start with you. i mean, it doesn't seem like there are a lot of chances of doing that, but what do you make of the appeal? >> well, joy, when you are a private lit gant, you are only concerned about the results. however, when you are litigating in the interest of the public,
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you can be concerned about the results and the rationale. i think that in this case it's not just the results of the order that the doj was alarmed by, it was the rationale that they could not allow to go forward and not challenge with respect to an appeal, and that rationale is laid out very clearly i think in a well-written appeal on behalf of the doj. they basically said, look, you had bifurcated this case into somehow separating the criminal aspect from the investigative aspect without any regard for the national security implications. you can't do that. like that is a big issue. i think that they laid it out, not to mention that you have extended a level of discretion around executive privilege which, number one, should not exist and, number two, there's no precedent for. i think the doj understood they could probably live with the results in the large scheme of things regarding a special master inasmuch as the fbi's already gone through the documents, they know what's there. it was the rationale because if
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this were to remain on the books for future endeavors, you never know where this could lead. i think it's that -- that was what pushed them over the edge. i understand why they made the appeal. i honestly do think they may have a shot in some respects of getting that a third something they can have because these are the documents? to start making the planes that it feel like judge -- was trying to prompt them to make. what is the thinking now on how they go forward? do they start making some of the claims she seemed to be teeing up for them? >> yeah, no, it's a really good point you are making about how the judge in this case effectively made the argument on behalf of trump's lawyers. if you look at the original filings from trump's legal team, they're very -- you have the implications of attorney-client privilege and then in a separate filing, they were talking about privileged
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generally. like they were going to assert privilege over these -- and that would be it. in terms of kind of executive privilege, you know, i think you have to wait and see what they're going to do. i know the trump legal knows what they want to do and i think a lot of this is because they,, as well as, us are looking at that motions to stay from the justice department tonight and kind of reeling that judge cannon has a decision to make here, right? the fact that she prevented the justice department from reviewing the seized materials means the fbi could not review the seized materials -- risk assessment. the fbi is both part of the intelligence community and it's also part of the justice department. and by doing the justice department, you -- the intelligence committee went on, are we able to get these documents as well? and screw the entire process up. so, i think trump kind of nervously is looking at how the doj proceeds next, how judge cannon proceeds next. >> right and i think that's the thing that's so inscrutable and difficult to get through, charles. is that she's essentially enjoying a national security investigation, effectively.
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because they've already looked at this material, they can't segregate their minds from what they've already seen. and yet, they've got to try to find out what damage has been done to our national security. somehow without going back and looking at the documents. like, it literally doesn't make any sense even to a person allay person like myself. >> no, you are right and i think that's exactly why merrick garland and the doj went forward with respect to this appeal. i think it was one of those things where you can't make sense out of the rationale. and again, from a president place, something like this cannot mean on the books without being challenged because at least in an appeal, one way or the other, the court will have to explain itself in a way that's going to give guidance for future cases that may come in this vein. they're going to have to say, either this reason was wrong for the following reasons or we believe that this was okay and appropriate for the following reasons, which then gives future prosecutors a roadmap in terms of how to approach it. but to leave it where it was would just be a disaster because, as you said, for so many different reasons, the way that this judge parsed out that
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order, you can't make heads or tails of it in so many different different regards around how are you supposed to continue the investigation or halt the investigation, but at the same time continue to look through the national security documents and deal with those concerns? with material that's so sensitive and your reasoning behind how you determined one versus the other is not rooted in anything that someone who's been practicing law for almost 20 years can follow. >> even at least according to -- someone who's, like, a first year law student because apparently even they would've been able to figure out that none of that made any sense. hugo -- charles coleman, thank you both very much and meanwhile, the world did lose another icon today with the passing of pioneering journalist, bernard shaw. a look back at his remarkable career next. and no one will notice it? genius. now this is eargo. made to be heard. not seen.
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black journalist. bernard shaw, who was cnn's chief anchor for two decades, and was with the network when it launched in 1980. he was a man who assured america calmly through some of this country's most seminal moments. from the assassination attempt on ronald reagan. >> we can report that shots were fired, as president reagan left the washington hill hotel. >> to the launch of operation desert storm, live from baghdad. >> it was like a fireworks
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finale on the fourth of july at the base of the washington monument. >> but for many of us, it was his first question during the 1988 presidential debate between george -- bush and michael dukakis, which might have changed the course of history. >> governor, if kenny dukakis were raped and murdered, would you favor and irrevocable death penalty for the killer? >> no, i don't, bernard. and i think you know that i opposed the death penalty during all of my life. i don't see any evidence that this is a deterrent and i think there are better and more effective ways to deal with violent crime. >> dukakis never recovered. shaw retired in 2001. but >> this is bernie's last show at the anchor desk. i'm going to hold on. >> and judy woodruff was right. it will be hard to let him go. bernard shaw died wednesday of
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non covid related pneumonia. he was 82 years old. and a phenomenal journalist, who inspired so many of us who are in this business in many ways, in large part, thanks to his example. and that is tonight's read out. all in with chris hayes starts now. all in with chris hayes starts now. tonight on all in, -- >> buckingham palace announced that the death of her majesty, queen elizabeth the second. >> the longest reigning monarch in british history is dead at age 96. tonight, former british foreign secretary, given miliband, on the global impact of queen elizabeth the second. carrie kaye on the nation mourning and michael beschloss on the historic legacy of a 70-year reign. then, new revelations in the mar-a-lago search, as the justice department cites national security risks in appealing the special master ruling. plus, steve bannon in handcuffs inside a new york co
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