silence. where as it has pleased almighty god to court his mercy, our late sovereign lady queen elizabeth the second of blessed and glorious memory by who's deceased the crown of the united kingdom of great britain and northern ireland, is solely and rightfully come to the prince charles philippe arthur

george. we late majesties

privy council, and representatives of the realms territories, older men and

citizens of london, and others, do now hereby with one voice and consent of tone and heart publish and proclaim that the prince charles philippe arthur george is now, by the death of our late sovereign of happy memory, become our only lawful and rightful leash lord, charles the third. by the grace of god of the united kingdom of great britain and northern ireland, and his other realms and territories, king, head of the commonwealth, defender of the faith. to whom we do acknowledge all faith and obedience with humble affection. beseeching god, by whom kings and queens to rain, to bless his majesty with long and happy years to rain over us. given at st. james's palace,

this tenth day of september, at the year of our lord 2022. long with the king. >> god save the king. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

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cave, have hip hurray, have hip hurray, have hip, hurray. côte d'ivoirecôte d'ivoir so what we have been watching first with the state trumpeters at the royal exchange. we are seeing this right here. and they sounded the fanfare. you see trumpeters at the mansion house replied, and then you heard charles proclaimed king on the steps of the royal exchange right there by the clarence of king of arms. it ended with god save the king

and then hip hurray for the king which led to spontaneous clapping from those who are gathered. we are going to see a bit more ceremony, now, including five beads of the drum and three beats of the drum. each one of these movements, the sounds, part of the ceremony to transition this country. into having a king. the queen is dead, long live the king. this is all part of the ceremony of it all. the rather rubber stamping to put its crudely, even though charles became king the second queen elizabeth died. >> to put this in an american context, this is an inauguration of january the 20th accept with bells and whistles and flummery and costumes which speak to speed

britain's long history of heraldry, titles, and what we are seeing in these proclamations is people around the country from a prejudicial age where you would have to proclaim that to nuking had come to the throne. because there wasn't television, or radio, or the internet, and you would be. this process would be repeated in towns and villages across the lands so that people would understand, have a visualization, that there was a new king on the throne. and this ceremony that we are seeing is all part of that. it is all part of the history of how a new king used to be legitimized. and i have never seen anything like this. none of us have seen anything like it. >> our reference pointed satire. our reference point for much of

this is multi python. when have you seen anything like this? or historical reenactments of what used to happen, or history books. this, again, is something that we have certainly not seen in 70 years. portions of which, including the throne room and st. james palace and cape charles becoming that king, we have never seen. >> and you make such an important point, katie. i fear saying this. i could end up in the tower of london being beheaded for it. i am a firm monarchist. i think the royal family has done great work for britain. but you see some of this, and you do think monty python. that this must come out of the flying circus, because it seemed so absurd. but i think it is also about showing the line of history. that thread that runs through hundreds of years from when this first happened. i mean, back to elizabeth the first.

not the current queen who has just died but the butt look queen elizabeth the first two didn't have an air. and then we had the first succession council when james the sixth of scotland became james the first of the united kingdom. and the ceremonies that we are watching now play out across the streets of london, would have been played out hundreds of years ago. and i suppose people do feel a sense of pride in their history. when i was living in america, there were civil war reenactments and people watch those. and it is just that the history of this country goes back so many hundreds of years. and of course, the monarchy, an institution which it is adapting but has birthright, hereditary, and all the rest of it. yet trying to still seem relevant to the 21st century. and that is what the tight rope that king charles is trying to walk now, up here. modern, yet steeped in the

tradition of previous centuries. >> it is also bringing clive irving editor at the sunday times along with him you're, former editor at ivy to news. john -- standing with me still. john i would like to go with you. give me your thoughts as we have been watching this? >> well, i cover the royal family for a decade and i saw i suppose one for sure of ceremony that time. but i have never seen anything like this. i have never heard of the -- the idea of monty python has been used. they also sprang to mind for me. but i agree entirely with what has been side. this is continuing a thread. and i think the majority of people in this country will look at this and love it. that the streets of london, i can tell you are going to be throngs with people. those numbers are going to increase in the days ahead as

we see more of this kind of ceremony leading up to the funeral. it is a reminder the past, it is on television. the new king wanted the -- council televised. that was his particular request. so he has added his modern touch to this extraordinary ceremony. but i watch it with all, i have never seen anything like this before. >> i think we will all have a special cell in the tower of london having referenced monty python in regards to today's ceremony. you are right about the crowds. just in the last hour or two hours, it is only growing here in front of buckingham palace. there isn't a lot of space left, from what i can see on the wall. first to say tens of thousands of people, if not, more here. and i will be curious to get the estimates when we start taking into account the rest of the ceremonial places across london and across the uk.

clive, what are your thoughts? >> i think it is time for a dose of reality. what the history really is. the city of london for example, is a storied version of wall street. it is the center of trading which built the british empire. and let's remember who the charles the second was. in 16 60, charles the second signed the -- the law of african country which began the slave trade across the atlantic. and the money that came from the slave trade poured into the city of london, the place you are now looking at. and that money from the slave trade funded the industrial revolution. it went a long way to funding the industrial revolution which made britain into a modern power. all the money generate from the russian revolution created the

empire that victoria inherited. so i think it is important. talks a pageant is intoxicated, and no one does it better than what we are seeing today. it is a glorious pageant. but i think it is as important to understand the role of the pageant as a kind of intoxicant, as well as something that establishes continuity with the past. it is very good to establish continuity with the past, but the past should be a real pass and not a fake one. and i think this comes, this brings to a had the whole point of what is going on now which is that somehow, king charles iii has got to make that journey from the past to the future. what we are seeing at the moment is a kind of monty python version of the past. it is glorious, and i think the producers of the crown, the series the crown, must be extremely jealous of the production standards here. because they are amazing. but, i would like to just make this point that every time we watch one of the ceremonies,

there is a historical truth behind it and we must bear that in mind . because that is going to be part of the burden that chink have to deal with. the unrest in the commonwealth, the unrest in the caribbean, the terrible mistake that was made when will and kate went to the caribbean earlier this year because they had infinite struck did in the historical truth and paths of slavery. and even after slavery was abolished in 1834 in the empire, by that time a whole white supremacy hierarchy had been built. so those colonies were still ruled by a combination of directives and local raj which depressed social progress. that is why it took so long for the indigenous peoples of the commonwealth, it has taken until now virtually for the

indigenous people the commonwealth, to -- . >> prince william and kate were met with protests when they made that trip. i'm glad that you brought this up because i wonder, given the history of colonialism, the history of the british empire, and all that has happened. and they're been critics have come out in recent days and said i understand the families are, morning but my family's been in mourning for what was done to. them are we going to hear an apology potentially from king charles? >> i think that there is another thing going on here, too. they talk about the united kingdom. and that was very much stressed by charles. that means scotland, and ireland. these are two tricky problems that scottish that charles is going to face. because as long as the queen was on the throne, the scots were pledged to pledge

allegiance to the queen. but nicholas surgeon, who is now the leader of the snp, doesn't hold to that. and a scottish independence is brought to a head again, and make it much closer than it has before. whether that happens quickly or not, but the fact is that there's a strong movement in scotland to break the union which is an incredible breakup that would be a very serious break of the union. and then there is northern ireland where the new prime minister is showing every sign of being, of going back on pledges made. and i would remind us that the queen did an incredible job in reconciling the crown with the history of ireland. in 2011, when she went to dublin and made a speech in which she achieved animation thing. it was like putting the whole of the past between britain and ireland behind her. it was screeches extremely

warmly. and she went in the year after 2012, and was seen shaking hands with martin mcguinness who was the architect of the assassination of the i.r.a. leader who was the architect of the assassination of -- who is very close -- to. you can't get a greater active reconciliation than one a like that. so now to start going back as this new tory government will do on pledges made on the good friday agreement which was the reason why the queen went to dublin in the first place, to celebrate the achievement by tony blair and bill clinton. bill clinton played a huge part in the good friday agreement. because the irish factions in, particularly in new york and boston, we are so reluctant to come to any kind of terms with the brits because there are so many, there is such a deep irish tradition over here. and the queen, without the

queen because she was not a political figure, without the queen i don't think that that consideration of the good friday agreement could've happened. what >> was hold on just one second. welcome back to this conversation we just let everyone know that the line behind us, that king charles is now making the rounds into buckingham palace -- with the royal standard on this car and there are tears from the crowd here. again, these are tens of thousands of people coming here to witness. it we don't often go directly into the gates of buckingham palace or he will do a repeat of yesterday where he gets out and he creates that crowd. but you can see it there. again the royal standard flying from his car, wherever he is. that will fly. we are seeing it at full mast. the staff is above buckingham

palace, the royal standard never goes to have staff because there is always a queen or a king. there is always a monarch. and as i can tell right now, that christopher directly into buckingham palace. it appears he is not going to be getting out, at least right in this moment. we can perhaps see it later on today. he will have a meeting with many cabinet members. the opposition leader of parliament, as well. i believe prime minister trust will be present. she again already met him for the first time as king yesterday. and she as prime minister, important to remember she has only been prime minister for a few days. a three day old prime minister meeting a one day old king in terms of title. >> casey, we have never had a week like it in british history or i would challenge anybody.

then on monday, we had a head of state of the prime minister who had not, not the same head of state this prime minister the saturday. >> remarkable. >> the week started with the queen and boris johnson, and the weekends with king charles and liz truss. no better feat could have imagined these two seismic events coinciding, overlapping, in such a dramatic way. and what we are looking at now, it and the clouds parted. >> i was going to say, the clouds of parted. the sun is out. if you don't like the weather, don't worry, five minutes it will change. >> exactly. the clouds parted as the kings car, with the royal standard fluttering above, it drove down the milan into buckingham palace. and an extraordinary moment for the crowds. and it is absolutely rammed, trying to get to where we are broadcasting from right now. i really have to use some sharp

numbers to say, can you let me three please. because there were so many people trying to get here. >> that years weren't as loud as i would have expected. i suspect they would've been much much louder if they, if we saw the king a merge. and who knows, he might still. i know just for what it is worth that the gates there have remained open. and who knows whether the king will come out to agree to what we used to call his subjects, but the british people. >> clive i want to back to the conversation we're having but and i'm sorry to interrupt you but i wanted to bring that everyone who is watching at home. i continue on, because it is a difficult moment. it is a fraught moment. >> so what you are just discussing is true. it is an astonishing week, but bear this in mind, too. that in the course of a few days, to relative novices have

come to power and neither of them were selected by democratic means. the military succession is like a game of russian roulette. sometimes you get lucky, and sometimes you don't to get lucky. we didn't get lucky with the aids. the abdication, we got lucky with george the sixth and the sixth's daughter, the queen elizabeth. we are now going to find out whether we got lucky with charles or not. it is a random system. liz truss was selected by the most un-representative caucus of, or demographic if you like. that you can imagine, about 160,000 mostly white, fairly well off, fairly right wing tourists. so, in order to get elected she had to satisfy the criteria that they sought rather than the criteria that the country wanted and a political leader.

and there being a general election to select a new prime minister, i'm pretty sure she would have been defeated by a large margin. so now, we have a precarious financial situation. the economy which is performing very badly. a winter energy crisis, coming. the need, what the queen did was an amazing act of watching and presiding over, on the whole, a pretty skillful management of imperial decline. when she came to the throne, the empire was largely there. she oversaw the dismantling of the empire and the conversion of the empire to the commonwealth and she devoted herself to that. was very successful. it is much more difficult now when you have a situation where the unit in that self, the united kingdom, is under threat by a centrifugal force of separation. hopefully that can be avoided, because i think it would be a

very bad and unrealistic move. but you have that. so charles faces the challenge. the role of the prime minister on the monarch are very different, obviously. and he doesn't political power but he does have a kind of constitutional status that makes it important for him to act as a kind of glue in a constitutional arrangement. whereas liz truss faces a situation that she is not very perform prepared for. she started off as a young activist in oxford wanting to abolish the monarchy, let's remember that. and she was a lid democratic for sometime. now she is turned hard right. that doesn't propose the kind of steadiness and political grounds and sense of overall management of decline. because a country somehow has got to get itself out of this

idea that it is in permanent decline. and rebound. it has rebounded from situations like this in the past, but this is a grim situation to be. sure and it is now faced by these two very new. leaders >> last, year barbados declared its overall public. it is the first ex british colony to make that sort of break since the 1990s. in talking about the ceremony that we are seeing, clive, you mentioned that what it does is it masks the underlying troubles, it does give the country a real rallying point. i wonder if this might be a rallying point for the coming months, which is clive was mentioning, as we've been talking about, will be difficult economically for this country. energy prices, energy bills have soared. liz chest has said she is going to put a cap on that. but the war in ukraine is being

felt here. >> oh, absolutely. and i think life is right to point out that for all the outpouring of emotion over the queen's death, and the seaming unity of the moment of the kings accession to the throne, let's not pretend that britain doesn't have problems. it has deep problems. and the energy crisis, well the aftermath of practice which, you know some people would say that there are huge advantages. if you look at it economically, it is kind of hard to see at the moment. what the economic upside is. you have got the effect of the energy crisis because of the war in the ukraine and wholesale gas prices. britain is much more subject to that than you are in the united states where you have got much greater energy independence. people i was talking to you last night we're talking about bills going up threefold, and

then ten fold, and the business is not knowing how honored they are going to stay in business. >> some people are saying that their energy bill is higher than their rent. >> and they are facing the prospect, potentially this winter, of having power cuts. whether lights will go out, and we will sit by candlelight with blankets overlaps in 2022. there this somehow seems inconceivable. and i am not sure the british people are ready for that. so, yes, we are together as a nation right now in mourning for a beloved queen. and in the hope that, to use the lottery will show us that we have a good king, and he has been preparing for it for many years. but these are difficult times for the nation. >> two new undemocratically voted in leaders, i should say. live, irving. thank you very much. tim you are, thank you as. well john, thank you.

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$0 delivery fee for a limited time. roads have been closed and barriers are being set up around the scottish capital of edinburgh as they prepare for the arrival of the queens coffin this weekend. her body is expected to be moved from -- castle to -- four resident before being brought to -- cathedral where the public will be able to show aspects. all of this on a day that has to be one of mixed motions for the new king charles. mourning his mother, well taking the throne. a moment he has been waiting for his entire adult life. back with me is clever irving,

former managing editor at the sunday times. tim you are, former royal editor of itv news, and jon sopel is here with me at the palace. the i want to begin by playing more from a documentary that bbc aired last night from her children talk about their memories of queen elizabeth. >> i could never forget her -- when we are small, and she came in wearing a the crown. all the sort of marvelous moments. i shall never forget. but -- she was always there and, i could talk to her about this that or the other. and that has always been something i think that it will be very difficult not to have, if you know what i mean. >> she was always there, and

that is reminiscent of a card that i read. accompanying one of the flower bouquets that was placed in front of buckingham palace. and i will just read it to you. to our most beloved queen, we are so deeply moved and saddened by your passing. we are very much believed that you are so glorious and magical that you might just be eternal. hearing now king charles talk about his mother in that way, just not believing that she would ever leave. she was always there. it does remarkably mirror what much of the country felt. yes, i think we heard clive outline some of the big issues that liz truss now faces as you take some of the british government. charles also faces some issues within the royal family, but i think, my sense is for other people, not everybody because

that everybody in this country is a monarchist despite the queen's personal popularity. i think for a lot of people, the next few days will be more about mourning the loss of the queen then they will be about thinking of the future. our media at the moment is dominated, i mean totally dominated by the story that you are watching unfold. it is as if other issues i've been put on hold. and i think that that will continue, certainly for a few days. after that, certainly for the new queen, he has to address some issues about his own family. the rift between his two sons, but also the shape that the monarchy is going to take in the years ahead. not the least being with those countries that want to shake off the colonial past, as we have been hearing about, and

want independents. so he is going to have to work out how to design a monarchy for the modern age. and he will have at his side, at prince william, who i think has done well in that respect so far. but my sense is that -- we as britons are going to be dominated by images of the fight that you're seeing now, the sort of harrell tree that we have seen earlier on this morning. -- just >> just to let our viewers know about how the british public feels about the monarchy, this is an interesting expert that i read in the new yorker this morning. except for a brief dip in the early 2000s following the death of princess diana, more than 60% of a yougov poll responded that they have very important or quite important feelings towards the monarchy. they feel it is very important or quite important to the uk. the portioned choosing not important at all or abolishes

never risen above 20%. more recent polling, which is survey from you get has carried on the past year, presenting broadly similar picture. the question is, does it remain that way with the king charles. and as we are having a conversation about how he slams down the monarchy, there is also reporting today about what he might do to some of the castles and a states that the monarchy owns. the telegraph reporting that sources they spoke with say that he might even be considering gifting balmoral, clive, to the country. >> yes i think it is also important to think about what you are going to do with buckingham palace, which is not a great peach of architecture, and it is not a very nice place to live in. the queen's bedroom was once invaded by someone who was able to climb up a drainpipe and get into it. >> that was only a few years. oh no that wasn't a few years ago. we saw down the crown which made it feel more modern, but

it was many years ago. >> but i want to draw a comparison between buckingham palace and the louvre. duluth was a great storage of monarchist art in france, buckingham palace, not a lot of people realize this, has a huge hugely invaluable impressionist art collection. very little of it ever get seen. less than 1% of it ever get seen at any one time. and potentially, if it were made into a public museum like the louvre, could be a great new cultural center in london. and still remain part of the monarchy, and not become, not remain as it is a place which very few people ever really get to visit. and i think i would like to add one other note about america to. which is that joe biden is coming to the funeral. he is very exercised up went about what it's gonna happen in ireland, and he and his trust are going to have a straight

conversation about that. so i think for her, that is going to be a pretty tense moment, too. and that is the situation that doesn't involve charles directly, but of course the crown is very concerned in the unity of the hole kingdom. >> and talk about buckingham palace, the sunday times that the official obituary, recounted and a conversation with margaret the queen's late sister, when she found out that she would be eventually queen one day. when their father became king, she says, i said to her does that mean you are going to become queen? and elizabeth replied, yes i suppose it does. according to her governess, mary ni croft knee, elizabeth was horrified to learn there going to move to buckingham palace. she said what, you mean forever? so yeah, what does happen to buckingham palace? because, king charles hasn't

been said that he might want to live in windsor full-time and just use this as an official state? >> well i don't think he could live in winter full-time because i think that that would create other problems. he would be out of the capital city, and i think it is possible that he will stay at clarence house, which is just around the corner from where we are. and you know, buckingham palace is this huge piece of real estate. right in the center of london, with the most magnificent gardens. it is a sort of little away status of calm. against the bustle and noise of the rest of the city. if this were to open up, and i don't think it is impossible, that that would be a huge gift to the people of this country, that this becomes a museum as we are hearing like duluth or something like that. buckingham palace is magnificent. bits of it or old-fashioned and seem to be locked in the 1950s,

if you have been inside it. but it is a magnificent piece of real estate right in the center of london. but it would be an incredible move for him to make, i don't think we will hear about that instantly, but i think that the fact that these sorts of things are under consideration underscores the point that clive was making that charles does recognize. king charles does recognize that this monarchy has to be more agile, more adept, modernized, in tune with the people, and up to speed with public opinion. and not getting left behind at this precarious moment. >> if they were to make it into a museum, just asking, would there be fees involved? if you want to take it to her, would you have to pay to take it to her? with that help offset the costs that the nation bears in supporting the royal family, which is quite a bit of money. >> and yeah it is.

and i think the royalist is the people that are on the payroll. and that is one of the central questions that can car charles has been conscious of from before he became king, that needed to be addressed. these people, the prince of, this and the duke of that. and you think, who are they? why are they living in this fancy-pants apartment paid for by the public at kensington palace or all of these different wonderful apartments? and i think that that is seen to be out of kilter with the way most british people are living and particularly at the moment. so i think there is sensitivity around that. actually, for museums at the moment you used to have to pay. and then i think it was the glare government introduced legislation that they should be free. and so the major national museums, you can just walk into. >> tim, what are your thoughts on this? >> well, it is certainly true that nobody in the royal family has much cared for living there. it is really for them symbolic.

and i agree. i think that once charles gets his feet under the desk of the throne and starts to look through the balance sheets and gauge his public opinion and the way that it is going, particularly in an intense economic crisis, we may very well say yes this is one possibility. what the government of the day would say about that, i am not so sure. would they want to keep buckingham palace as a sort of steep of the royal family in london for official purposes? i don't know. but, there are a lot of very big and very expensive buildings in the hands of the royal family at the moment. at a time of severe economic crisis. and i think that that is very much one of the things that charles will look at. as well as, as you said, slimming down the monarchy. already the number of people

under the queen who appeared on the balcony was trimmed down. the marginal members of the royal family, the lesser royals, were excluded. so yes, i think that once we get beyond this period of mourning, once the queen's funeral is over, there will be some hard decisions for charles to make. >> and perhaps seven days after that, at the very least. because that is the type of morning that the royal family will observe after the funeral. john? >> yes, just picking up on tom's point. the government could also nudge this. it is interesting what happens with tony blair when he was prime minister and his relationship with the royal family. and you have referenced the crowd a couple of times. when the prime minister resigns, they are normally made a night of the garter. for tony blair, it happens just a few months ago after prince philip died. and there was, i think, a

long-standing rift between the royal family and tony blair. over his government's decision to get rid of the royal brittani and. government could do some of this as well. because the cost of renewing it was seen as so huge. >> it was favored by -- >> it was favored by prince philip. and i think that that cost a whole lot of consternation in the royal family. if you have liz truss, or whoever's prime minister, and you have got the british people suffering, you might just encourage the new king that maybe this would be a good gesture to open up this particular famous house, buckingham palace or one of the other minor palaces. so that you can you are not seem to have this vast amount of real estate around the country. >> i certainly would like to have it, at the very least. john and gentlemen tim in clive, stay with us. coming up we are going to talk about all of the work that went in to what we will see for the

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procedure in which the government, the news media, local authorities, and the queen herself had long planned. along with the public morning, the national grief and the lowering of flags will come a transition of power. and the national memorializing known as operation bridge. the granular details were laid out the 27 teen investigation by the guardian. london bridge is the queen's exit plan. it is history as one of -- said. it will be what ten days of sorrow and spectacle in which rather like the dazzling mirror of the monarchy itself, we will revel in who we were and avoid the question of what we have become. back with us is to meet you or it, also standing alongside me is jon soho. now, gentlemen this article from 2017 is fascinating because it lays out in super meticulous detail exactly what is going to happen the moment the queen dies from a note that

is passed from the prime minister saying london bridge is down. we might have seen that the other day although it is not confirmed. to music. the bbc radio would need to pay in moments leading up to the final announcement. a light goes off allegedly and that is the signal to the dj to start playing sad music. there is another signal to play in saturn music ahead of the official announcement that the queen has died. tim, these details, down to the practice that the pallbearers have to carry the lead lined coffin, talk to me about them? >> well, as joan will know, every newsroom in this country, particularly every broadcaster has got acres of computer space devoted to operation london bridge and more detail comes in as more of it is planned. and of course, as the moment in

which it is going to be put to use arrives. london bridge is, london bridge has fallen is a message that went out on thursday afternoon to those who are going to be involved in the events of the next few days. the police force, for example across britain was sent that message to prepare for what i think it's going to be one of the biggest police operations in terms of crowd control, and logistics that the country has ever seen. now this is not. i mean, we have touched on controversy already in this discussion about the past. as john will tell you as well within the bbc, particularly there has been a lot of controversy. after prince philip's death last year, a lot of people were very angry that both bbc channels were cleaned out of their programs, and that tributes to prince philip replaced them. i had a look last night from my tv to see when we went to get

back to normal programming. and i think probably the answer is sometime tomorrow night. now, when the funeral plans start, when the process of the funeral begins, those schedules are going to be cleared again. so it is a huge operation. soccer matches, for example tomorrow have been called off. a lot of people are wondering i think, well okay how long must this go on for? is it really necessary? but it is, as you, say a massive logistics operation. >> and we have already seen details of the playing out. just what we saw this morning in front of the city of london, in front of the exchange. the procession, everybody knew where to be. that has been practiced now for years. john, talk to me about what it was like in the bbc as you are doing these rehearsals. and it was mrs. robinson, the term that was used. so nobody mistakenly put over

air queen elizabeth has died. >> and we were doing a rehearsal, and it was being watched by somebody at another tv network who brings his grandma in australia and says, the queen has dives. this was years ago. he, the grammy goes on the radio in australia and says, the queen has that. the governor general of australia hears it, and makes a statement. and it was all nonsense. it was rehearsal. and that is what can happen when you have rehearsals. which is why you need to code term and why you do these things with so much delicacy. but even when you have got the plan, you've still got the capability of things going wrong. because, actually things didn't pan out quite the way we thought. i just think that kind of, the length of her period on the throne was brought home to me by the fact that the first official confirmation that

london bridge was down was on twitter. 70 years ago, people would gather around their crystal sets, their wireless radios, just like they did for the fireside chats of fdr. that is how the british people learned about 70 years ago. and now we are getting it on twitter. >> and yesterday, as king charles was speaking for the first time, you saw people here in front of buckingham palace gathered around cell phones watching it in realtime on their cell phones. >> yeah. but i think to made an important point about the cancellation of life as we normally expect today it's. and the bbc, as you rightly pointed out, when prince philip died there was a sense of really, we are gonna have all networks and nothing but the network is showing this? and i think there was a sense of that, you know i'm a big soccer fan. i will probably go to a soccer match this afternoon if i wasn't or talking to you. i could only imagine what it would have been like as the home founds, and the away fans

would have some god save the king. i think it would have been a fantastic moment. and the government gave advice yesterday that people are free to do what they wish. and i think there's a sort of self censoring aspect of all sorts of organizations who thought, play it safe, cancel everything. and i think that is probably been a mistake. i think that everyone feels that they want to pay their respects to the queen. and to mark the succession of charles the third to the throne, but they also want to get on with life. and i kind of think we have missed a trip there. >> well i will say walking home back to my hotel last night through the streets, it was a lot less crowded, a lot more quiet than it normally is. i spoke to somebody who owns a restaurant and they said that they were keeping things a little smaller last night in honor of the king. so there has been some of that. and as you, said the soccer, or the football matches have been canceled. although i will note that when

the yankees played yesterday i believe they put up a shot of the queen, a picture of the queen on the jumbotron. remarking, remembering. >> there was a cricket game going on today at the oval which is just the other side of the river. i know it is an impenetrable game for many americans, what happens when the brits put a cricket, but there was a singing of god save the king. and i had a message for my son saying it was just -- . >> johnson, thank you very much. you or gentlemen. and john for these past two. hours that is going to do it for me today, ali velshi and chris jansing will be teaming up to bring you more of our special coverage, next. special coverage, next. , i got this. cut! take 37. cut! i don't actually play tennis. i'm just an actor in a commercial. most insurance companies don't know me. but humana does. when i was diagnosed with copd, they helped me to manage it and keep my medication costs low. even got me playing harmonica to help my lungs.

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