good morning. it is saturday, september 10th. i am ali velshi in new york. i am being joined live from london. less than two hours ago, a group known as the accession counsel mad at st. james powers to formally proclaimed king charles iii the new head of the british monarchy. afterwards, king charles has this to say about it. >> my mother gave an example of lifelong love and of selfless service. my mother's rain was on equal in its duration its dedication and devotion.

even as we grieve, we give thanks to this most faithful light. i am deeply aware of this great inheritance and all of the duties and heavy responsibility of sovereignty. they are now past to me. >> many of the accession council it was a series of highly coordinated formalities. they were set into motion upon the death of his mother, queen elizabeth the second. that was on thursday afternoon. later this hour, king charles will meet with the archbishop of canterbury, britain's new prime minister, lustrous. there will also be members of the cabinet. it has been a memorable first speak on the job or trust. one of queen elizabeth ii final acts was to invite her to succeed boris johnson's prime minister. former new government. that occurred during a meeting on tuesday at balmoral, the royal family's estate. approximately 48 hours after that meeting, the queen passed

away. trust is the 15th and final prime minister queens bits rain. it began in 1952. western churchill was prime minister. england was still recovering from the second world war. elizabeth presided over the british monarchy during a remarkable period of a man's change in the world. during her 70-year reign, queen elizabeth was a constant unreliable president who help guy and the united kingdom and british commonwealth. the world radically and rapidly transformed from the industrial age to the digital age. in between, there were periods of prosperity. there were times of turbulence. that includes the present moment. the united kingdom faces economic trouble, soaring inflation, and the effect of russia's war on ukraine. queen elizabeth ii was one of the most famous women of the world throughout most of her life. as beloved as she was, she also represented institution that has a long and ugly legacy of brutal colonialism, violence, and slavery. for centuries, the royal family stole and plundered wealth,

power, and influence. even as queen elizabeth's reign marked the post clinical period. they saw the dwindling of the british empire. the horrors that her long line of ancestors inflicted upon many generations of people across the globe continued to cause pain in harm. as millions part of the passing of queen elizabeth with grief and sadness, millions more are now reflecting on her death in the history of the british empire differently. that is now a legacy that her son, king charles iii in harris. he takes over the throne. joining me now on throughout this hour as my colleague, christensen. she is just outside the grounds of buckingham palace in london. the question here, we have talked, chris, about how controls fits into his new job. the job changed under queen elizabeth. there is the role of the monarchy. there is the british political system bentley will of the monarchy. it used to be colonial, what is now postcolonial. unlike his mother, king charles

has made his political positions on many things clear. how does that work for him going forward? >> he has talked about it. he did it with his speech last night. he said that things are going to be a little bit different now. he is going to give up some of the issues of that is what we will call them. he has spent a lot of time on them. he will walk away from some of the charities. many of which will be considered to have a political event. one of the things that we have not talked about so far is our remarkable ali making in many ways of charles. when he was young, this was reinforced. we are talking about the tv. usc as someone who was rocked by solved out. he never really understood his place in this very large job. it is known as the monarchy. he was very much disliked. i am maybe understating it. that was during the period of his divorce from princess diana. there was also his ongoing

relationship with now queen camilla. coming now, there has been a conservative effort to remake his image. one of the questions that has yet to be answered is about a lot of the goodwill that we are seeing around here. some of the polls are beginning to reflect it for charles. he has never been a particularly popular member of the royal family. it is a reflection of the moment we are in. there is the fact that he has really gone a transformational journey. these days, following the death of his mother who is so beloved, they are critical for him. people here, from my conversations, they have been watching very closely. they will continue to in the days and weeks to come. we make this incredible transition again. we have citizen many times. this is one we have not seen in

seven decades. >> let's invite the admiral to her conversation. he is a former supreme allied commander at nato. he has spent a lot of time with the queen. he is a chief international analyst for msnbc. good to see you. we mentioned the crowd. a lot of people gather history about queen elizabeth. i imagine it is experiencing renounce amy downloads. there was one incident in the crown that depicts the time in 1986. there is the gathering of the commonwealth countries. 49 commonwealth countries. there was a time in her long history where the queen made her objection to the apartheid clear. it turns out that was actually true. she did object to it. one time she had all the commonwealth country objected to putting sanctions on south africa in 1986. it was the united kingdom under mark margaret thatcher. the queen has otherwise famous

these days out of politics. there people who look back and say that maybe that was not the best idea. if there was any usefulness to the royalty it is it that they don't data politics. they have something to say about it. >> certainly. in my experiences with her majesty, that includes having a fabulous dinner party with barack obama at the table. what a memorable that is the historical sweep of her majesty. it was highlighted. another member of the table was the noted american historian. it was doris goodwin. to watch her in the queen go back and forth, the queen was somebody who knew her history. she had lived so much of her history. yeah, ali, you kind of think that with that sort of perspective, perhaps a quiet word here or there would be helpful to prime ministers. perhaps there was a bit of that

behind closed doors. the alternate aspect of queen elizabeth's theory discussion. finally, looking ahead, i would think of her in three words. duty, honor, country. in all of my years as the supreme allied commander, i work constantly with the british military. my deputy supreme allied commander, general surge on the call is with me. and that succeeded by general richard. i had a really vantage point on the british military and its qualities. the queen was a devoted supporter of the military. that will continue with king charles iii. you see him there in his army uniform. his sons have served very poorly in the armed forces. by the way, prince harry

deployed into combat in afghanistan when. i was the supreme allied contender. look at one of the world, in the end, there is all of that experience. there is all of that life force that has now sailed on. >> admiral, very few people know or understand this as well as the military leader. there is the importance of duty. the queen of in talked about that. she lived it. now we are seeing it in these early days following her passing. . there already is conflicting things that are going. on he is mourning the loss of his mother. this is someone with whom he was very close. this is someone with whom his side he learned what it was to be a royal. at the same time, he went out and was a part of the ceremonies that went back to the beginning of the monarchy. he went out among the people.

as you observe the queen, as you observe the charles, talk about the importance of duty. how do you think it will serve him if the monarchy is to stay relevant moving forward? >> first, i have to say that i am very lucky. my mom is 92 years old. she is going very strong. as i look at charles and his physical presence around his mother, i can feel that same warmth and love that i had for my mother is she sales to the golden years. i think that without question, in charles's house inherited this sense of duty. he will bring that to the table. it will be deeply respected by his subjects. i think that it will also have importance to americans. they will also be felt it in the british military. we are engaged alongside the brits. we are working in the ukraine.

we are deploying ships together. in fact, the great flagship of the british navy is named the queen elizabeth. it is a beautiful brand-new aircraft carrier. the queen herself has sailed on the ship named for her. it will be a real demonstration of the duty of the british military. they support their new cain, king charles iii. >> thank you for your time this morning. good to see you. nbc news. chief international security in diplomacy analysts. don't go anywhere. we still have two hours. the end of one area, sort of another. controls with or is officially britain's monarch. his mother had a 70-year reign. coming up next, we talked more people about the kings ascension. plus, news here in the united states. we have the rise of political

violence. we are joined with a deeply personal one alarming story. alarming story.

she came in practicing wearing the crown for the coronation. it was one of those marvelous moments. i should never forget it le pen. she was always there. i could talk to about this, that, the other. that has always been something. it is very difficult not to have. >> control of the third spoke about his late mother, the

queen. it was attributed on the bbc yesterday. it has been a few days of mixed emotions. the uk more the loss of queen elizabeth the second. simultaneously, they're honoring and welcoming their new king. ali velshi is with me. we are also joined by nbc news senior national correspondent, kara simmons. she is here with me at the canada gate. this is outside the grounds of buckingham palace in london. you have been watching this all morning long. we just saw this juxtaposition. there is all of the duty that was going on. he is gonna be meeting today with the prime minister. he had the a session. also speaking as the son of a mother. albeit, one of the most famous people in the world. what is your take away for today? >> i think that k trolls is handling this pretty deadly. that is not easy. he has had a long time to plan. a lot of planning.

inside buckingham palace, the planning continues. we have, without giving away too much, we have seen planned shift a little bit through these days. that is kind of inevitable. just think about this. on the one hand, he has the business of being the constitutional monarch. there is the business of government to take care of. on the other hand, there is a state funeral the plan. a state funeral has not been held here since the funeral of winston churchill. it is normally only for the death of a monarch. you have to remember the queen elizabeth the second gave winston churchill a state funeral because of the extraordinary contributions that he made to this country and saving the world from the nazis. those kinds of things are a big deal. there will be all of the messages. all of the thinking about diplomacy. the monarch, the british king or queen. they are also the leading

diplomat for the uk. there will be all those messages from around the world. who should i speak to? how should i reply? he was invited to the state funeral? there is an awful lot to get done. that really sums up this. talk about the split screen. there is a split screen. there is tradition, there is change. there's another split screen. it is about what we are seeing in the public. it is about what is happening behind closed doors. it is a lot to do. that symbolizes what we have been saying for the past few days. you just can't talk about it enough. there is the amazing symbol that we saw with the queen. she was the queen, she was the monarch, but she was also a working woman who carried on working. she worked so hard up until her final days. >> this is a cricket match versus an american baseball game.

this will go on for a while. well they are paying attention to the secession in the making of a king, the burial of a legendary queen, the uk is a country that does not have a crisis, but it has some political instability. inflation is the highest it has been in decades. it has fuel issue. as possible tensions are now being created on the border between northern ireland and ireland. it is involved in various ways in the war in ukraine. >> ali, i want to confess this. i am on american television right now and i can probably get away with it. i'm not a big fan of cricket. it is definitely long. there is no question. i was in york when country last month and went to a baseball game, i didn't understand that either. that is a great point.

click it is a long game. it's a long game for the king. you have outlined very many things that we think are coming. there are the issues that he may face. think about the queen's long reign. there were good times, great times, 70 years on the throne at buckingham palace. we have also been tough times. there are the divorces, the death of princess diana. how do you get through the hard times? that is the measure of the man or woman. i think that will be the measure of king charles rain. he needs to get ahead enough support. he needs enough of these people behind him to get through the hard times that will inevitably come. there is one british prime minister who was once asked what the hardest thing on the job was. he said it was the events.

i think that will be true as well working charles. it is not going to be easy. we are hopefully talking about years and decades of his reign. it is interesting to note in that television speech that he talked about until the end of his life. the question of that put any question of abdication aside. he will be king for the rest of his life. it will be a rollercoaster. it will be a slow-moving rollercoaster. >> all right. when you are here, let's go to a baseball game. when i am in the country that has cricket, let's take two or three days off and go to a cricket match. >> i can't explain the crooked to you. i would love to go to a baseball game. >> thank you for being with us this morning. chris, i will give you a baseball game we are back here. i think we would typically just go to broadway.

simmons, nbc's senior international correspondent, who will come back to you. coming up next, we are turning to news at home. a rise in political violence in the united states. a congresswoman joins me. there she is now. she will talk about threats that she has faced recently. faced recently. you can do just about anything. thanks, dad. that's right, robert. and it's never too early to learn you could save with america's number one motorcycle insurer. that's right, jamie. but it's not just about savings. it's about the friends we make along the way. you said it, flo. and don't forget to floss before you brush. your gums will thank you. -that's right, dr. gary. -jamie? sorry, i had another thought so i got back in line. what was it? [ sighs ] i can't remember.

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the washington post editorial board condemned these comments. they said there is no excuse for this kind of rhetoric. it invites violence. it also defies democratic norms. senior republican officials are propelling the republican base to threaten a political opponents with violence. in june of this year, adam kissinger, an outspoken critic of donald trump, received threats for him, his wife, at his newborn. there was a disturbing ad, this one. this man was walking around with a gun wealth calling for republicans to hunt down rhinos, republicans in name only. that is a term used by trump to describe the divide in the republican party. >> i am a navy seal. today, we are going vinyl hunting. rhinos feed on corruption.

there is stripes of cowardice. >> join the mega crew, get a rhino hunting permit, there is no bagging limit, no tagging limit. it does not expire until we save our country. >> wow. in response to the threats of violence, president biden slams senior publican officials for embracing this rhetoric and taking the country down a dangerous path. >> no one expects politics to be pattycake. sometimes it gets mean. the idea that you turn on a television and say senior senators and the congressman saying, if this happens, there will be blood in the streets. where are we? >> where are we indeed? we are in the danger zone. this week, the washington post published this argue article. it is titled, when a man with a

pistol shows up outside of a congresswoman's house. this is a republican from washington state. one night in july, she recalls among women road pastor settle home yelling threats and obscenity's. he wrote, quote, the, the items sought undisturbed. they heard the man again. security footage picked up what the man said. there is a sound of heavy metal music coming from the car. one shouted something about india. that is a country where she was born. the voices were hard unclear. the post notes that she had no idea that one of those men will be back a half an hour later. he came back with a loaded semi automatic pistol on his hip. it was later seed by police. threats are bad enough. she also released threatening voice mail is that she has received. they are disturbing. i will let them speak for themselves. >> you have to hide from all of a. so i just wanted to give you a little heads up. get ready for the worst year of

your life. it is gonna be turmoil every day. this is going to be fawn. this is going to be fine. your life is going to be miserable you stupid -- get ready for turmoil. you are getting it. >> we are joined live now. we know each other well. i am sorry for having to play that. i can imagine that. you must have some ptsd. you know what it is, you released. it is hard to hear threats against you and your family. you and i talked after january 6th. there is video of you and how threatened you were, how close you and your colleagues came to violence and getting hurt. how are you? >> as i said to somebody else i, am okay, but i am not okay. this is not normal. we should not accept this as normal. where are we as a country when

this is becoming normalized? that is part of the reason that i did this story. i release some of the voicemails. those are just a fraction of what we perceive along with death threats and many other things. i think it is important that people understand the connections between the big lie, january six, and what happened at my house. we need to see how these things are affecting each of us individually, all of us as a society. i want people to be aware of what we are dealing with. we can reject it and say that we have to put this away and not allowed to be normal. congresswoman, let me ask you, we are going to take a picture of what we are seeing in balmoral in scotland where the queens children do appear to be there, now. let's take you through a quick look at this, on air. this is balmoral castle.

this is where the queen passed. we are now seeing the members of the royal family paying their respects and joining in, looking at where people have left flowers, and things like that. we are going to put that into the corner of our screen and watch that as we continue our conversation. congresswoman, i want to ask you about the attacks that you had faced before. you are a woman of color in politics. you are a leader in certain parts of the democratic party. what changed? what has changed in the last four or five years or in the year, for you, in terms of the tenure and flavor of the threats, and the top, particularly, about violence. >> ali, it is completely different. over the last 4 to 5 years i would say, really, since donald trump was in the white house, and actually allowing and promoting this kind of violence and political rhetoric trick,

racism and sexism. i have been to lots of protest before. there is a big difference between protesting peacefully, free speech, peacefully, and showing up for harassment with a gun, at somebody's house, in the middle of the night, constantly, coming by and yelling racist, sexist, xenophobic things. it is, in india, captured on the security camera. they said go back to india. i think that what has changed is there is a sense that everything is so unfair and it has been propelled by donald trump. the institutions are unfair. the only recourse is to violence. and, that is an extremely dangerous thing. we saw it come to thrush and on january six, and now, in ways that i have seen outside my door, it is particularly bad if you are a woman of color and

there are many of us who are women of color. we are on tv quite a bit. we are talking about policy quite a bit. you can disagree about policy but to actually take this to violence, and to threaten people, i think that is something that is really only promoted and allowed in the last couple of years. >> so, you are used to this? you are a woman. you are in a society where we are increasingly learning it to strip x woman, greatly. you are women of color. you saw what lindsey graham said. investigating the mar-a-lago stuff, there will be riots in the streets. that era is fascinating because he is targeting republicans with guns and talk of busting into someone's house, and hunting season. no tag limits. tag limits are how many back you can kill. i mean, this has escalated to a point where it is not for the critical viewer. it is for someone who sees this, who might not completely be in the right frame of mind.

we still say that they were crazy and unhinged. this is stoking the fears of political violence in this country across the board >> this is for the adam cheney's and others who are opposing donald trump and the maga republican party, that it has become. i think the fact that we also have all these guns out there there is an ease of retaining these things and using them all. that is another problem. that ad, i found it absolutely terrorizing. i find senator graham's comments tonight. a sitting u.s. senator, essentially, calling for riots in the street. i mean, this is a very trumpian maga tactic. when you are being threatened with justice that you call for riots, or violence, that is

what led to january six. and so, i think we are in a very dangerous place as you said, ali. i think it is important that we understand what is at stake. it is important that we vote for people who do not subscribe to the big lie, whether republican or democrat. that we vote for people who are going to protect our institutions of democracy. we do everything we can to push back on this and not allow it to be normalized. >> let me ask you this. here is the problem. no one watching you and we have this conversation this morning is going to be a problem to you. how do we actually change this? this is remarkable. the people putting these ads up. the people saying these things on tv or threatening you. around the dobbs decision, i

said, when the decision came down people do not understand the fury and the rat that has been released by woman across this country. taking away these constitutional freedoms. and, i think you saw it with the kansas abortion vote initiative. i think you are seeing it with the special elections where we have extreme right wing candidates running. they are not when-ing and i think americans will reject this. we have to make it clear what the stakes are. we have to talk about what democrats have done. well the remarkable things we have been able to accomplish with very small majorities. we do need to lay out what is at stake for democracy. we also need to do that with the justice department and the raid at mar-a-lago. all the things we are finding out about one and imaginable

even five years ago. it would be happening on site. we are counting on the american people to come through and we have hope that people will realize that we have to turn this clock back, ali. we have to get people in government who actually believe in government and democracy, and believe in our constitution. >> i do not really cover peoples views, let's understand the rules by which we play. for what you have gone through, i'm sorry we have to rehash it with you this morning. unfortunately, it is remarkably important thing. thank you from washington. we just saw a live look at the members of the queen's family paying respects to queen elizabeth ii balmoral castle. christensen joins me again, not far from buckingham palace in london. crisp elmora, this is where we gathered as the queen had passed. we are now looking at pictures

again of balmoral and people in the royal family are getting into their cars. they're leaving after having watched and seen where people left for lowers and memorials for the queen. >> we saw prince edward there. we also saw, earlier, queen and and her husband, as well. this is what we are expected to do as royals they have a private brief and the queen very close to her children and grandchildren. also, living it out in the public eye. i want to bring in wilfred frost. anchor for britain sky news an msnbc contributor. as you watch the car go away there is a certain amount and we have heard this in the past of comfort that they find in seeing crowds come out. they paid their respects. they put flowers. they leave notes. but, they also have become and had to become accustomed to

living difficult moments of their lives and public. >> absolutely. what i actually think this is a moment that will aid their grieving. they are doing it because, in part, they know people want to see them. but, think about being up close and personal to witness the love and affection that thousands of people, millions by the time we get to the funeral, itself, have had for your mother, your grandmother. i think that will help them with their grieving process. even though you say it is a very public part of it and mostly bob to go through it. it is going to say from that perspective. it is great to see for the people. as we witnessed, just here yesterday, when the king came back, they wanted to see him, too. it is a really important part of this morning for the next week or so. >> ali? nice to see you my friend. nice to see you, last time is a new york on wall street. you have a really interesting perspective, on this, not just as a journalist with the great legacy, but as somebody who has spent time on this side of

things. how do you explain to our viewers in america the sentimental differences here. many of our viewers are critical of the monarchy, or at least, confused. a lot of people love the queen, but at this point, there are some people saying hey, how do we think about the monarchy, and the institute of the british empire, that she oversaw, largely, the end of. while celebrating her and thinking about the future? >> lots of people watching the proclamation declaration, and went on earth is going on. all these extraordinary outfits and odd phrasing. the first thing, i quickly say, the empire, which is of course, carrying so many memories of the dark parts of british history, have already been abolished before she came to the throne. she was head of state of some foreign nations.

at the moment of her passing, that was because they still wanted her to be at the head of state. and again, that is the key part of all of this. it is very archaic and passes down via inheritance, not on merit. that is how the world is today and how of course the world should be. but, the key point is, british people still want the moment to be our head of state. that wouldn't be the case if they exercise even a smidgen of power still. it is represented by the head of government. it is truly, democratically elected. that is the key balancing factor, i think. if you got to a point where the people no longer want the monarchy, i think it would be abolished very quickly. it would be abolished via a democratic vote. so, it is something people can just say, we do not want it overnight, but the general gist of my point stands. it exists for as long as the people want it, the people currently want it, and of course, to state the obvious,

the monarchy has no real power. it comes from the person who is democratically elected. >> the person who was not democratically elected but bought into this as clean, they had such a reservoir of goodwill. they were so overwhelmed by this that nobody was more lab, or beloved, then the queen herself. having said that, prince charles needs to re-that feeling and it comes at an economically challenging time. he have already mentioned the fact that maybe they need to slim down a little bit. having said all of that, has the demise of the monarchy been premature when people speak of, well, prince charles needs to do something dramatic because the monarchy is going to go away? or is there a real threat here. >> i do not think we are in a stage of there being a threat of all, no. she is an impossible act to follow and there is no doubt about that. i think which she managed to

achieve was to leave the monarchy on far firmer footing than when she found it. the 50s and 60s was quite a challenging period. howard wilson's government was not particularly supportive of the monarchy officially. in large part because of her, personally. i think charles the third aim is not going to be to try and do the same and repeat the feat of improving, but try to maintain the status quo as best as you possibly can. i think, domestically, what we have already seen in the last couple of days, and what i think opinion polls show when they ask about the monarchy is he has the aspect of a separate half of government, as opposed to what he has to do to save. it on the international stage is a bit different. i think she had this personal appeal. it is going to be incredibly hard to replicate. you know? i do not know, for example, all these broadcasters we are

standing by in the world, we will follow their events in the same way. >> you have been to these kinds of events before. ali velshi, i mean, it just goes on, and on. these are the people with the, sort of, best vantage point. if you go into the park there people are standing in the middle of the park, broadcasting from. they're wofford forest, anchor for sky news an msnbc contributor. come back to msnbc and see us again. >> i would love to. thank you for having me. >> ali, back to you. >> if i was standing there with well, he is a business reporter. i would be talking about how i want to pick his brain about inflation in the uk. >> i am down for that by the way. i always am. >> i love it, thank you my friend. good to see you. queen elizabeth ii spent 70 of her 96 years alive as great britain's head of state. she has a vast influence on the country in the world. she joins the long list of very powerful female leaders who will forever change the course of history. we will have that conversation next. sleep... try zzzquil pure zzz's gummies. they help you fall asleep naturally

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queen elizabeth and 70 of her 96 years on earth as england's head of state. her extremely long tenure makes her the longest reigning british monarch and the second longest reigning monarch of all-time. she held the throne for 30% of u.s. history. at least nine and ten living human beings, worldwide, were born after she became the queen. under her rule england's saw 15 prime ministers. she saw 13 out of 14 of the last american presidents. she carried out visits in more than 100 countries. she held more than 21,000 royal engagements making her better travel than any british monarch before her. she has even escaped multiple assassination attempts him.

she has changed the course of history with her leadership. my next guest is the perfect person to explain just how impactful that influence was. we are joined by sarah, royal historian. the author of many books including elizabeth, the queen and the crown. it is so good to have you here. sarah, i think, in any given year, if you do a list of the most powerful woman in the world she may not be a topic. but, between her long jeopardy and her influence, it is hard to imagine a world without queen elizabeth, or, what it might have looked like without her. what is the legacy she leaves? >> i think that is it. you have hit the nail on the head. she was just there for so long. and, while she changed she adapted when she needed to. she did it with the changing world. she remained this figure of huge stability, and therefore,

reassurance. more reassuring than ever, perhaps, right now. winning the last few years with so much has changed. the pandemic, and now the war in ukraine. you know, the looming financial crisis. so, i think, in the sense that was her importance in peoples emotional lives, if you like. in britain and beyond it. >> let me ask you something, sarah. i do not know a lot of women who have told me, i want to be like queen elizabeth. partially, because you cannot beat the queen of england, generally speaking. and yet, she was the most powerful woman in many rooms she was in. probably the most powerful human in many rooms that she was in. what do you know of her as a role model for women? what did she inspiring woman? obviously, what did women or girls think? >> it is a good question. it is quite a complex one.

in a way, it depends how you define power. soft power influence, yes, absolutely, as in every one wanted to meet her more than almost any other world figure. but, hard power, real power, political power. of course, whatever power and influence she had, and you know, the influence was huge, she did not win it for herself, in a sense. she did not have to go out there and fight for it. it came to her by accidental birth. so, her role was a role model, and it was quite a complex one. i would say that, yes, in the end, coming to the throne, as she did in the early 1950s, you know, really sort a quite of retrograde, repressive time for women. i think it was very important to have a woman on the throne. there are these kinds of, you know, cabals with which one has to hedge.

>> you know, there is another take on this which is that's part of her greatness was powering through. you know, all the things she saw, the challenges that she experienced. i am thinking about the speech that she gave. it has been famously played and replayed over the course of the last few days. on her 21st birthday, let's remind people a little bit of what she said in that speech. >> sure. >> it is very simple. i declare before you all that my whole life whether it be long or short shelby devoted to your service. and to the service of our great imperial family to which we owe it all. >> and she did that through the very end. much has been made of the photograph of her and the new prime minister just two days before she died. she was frail. obviously, in her final hours on earth, there she was,

determined to be there. smiling, powering through. it was part of the message she sent. wasn't it? >> yes, it absolutely was. it was really her creed, if you like. i mean, she was a serious person. a woman, even a serious girl and child. she chuck that vow as she saw it very, very seriously. you know, that is it. i think if one had, they used to give long english british monarchs a tag, like ethel, the unready. and i think if we gave one to her it would be elizabeth the steadfast. elizabeth the dutiful. elizabeth the enduring. and really, that did become, you know. that is what made her such an icon, really. i think that was important. it was worth noting that one of the most important speech she made, recently, at least in the uk, was the one in the early

days of the pandemic. she very consciously a vote the spirit of wartime. you know, when her father and mother, you know, really one of the huge popularity. at a time when people stop britain as having done right as a great thing. and, she very consciously about that. she used the words, even of the song, we will meet again. remember the broadcast she, herself, made as a child, as a girl in the war. so, it is that kind of sense. this come to be. that she reflected the best of britain, and perhaps, even, the best of ourselves. we cannot necessarily say the same for the rest of the family. but, i think there are a lot of people who are not necessarily monarchist but are, or were, in helen marion's world, queen us. >> we have to summon at left.

are we are going to speak of the power of when and, as role models, what do you see as the role now for both camilla and kate? >> camilla, interesting. kate. i think it is quite clear. she has not only to be a supportive, helpmate to william, she has to provide the glamour factor. wet, there is no one really around us in the royal family who can do, now by terry and megan, as they have put departed. camilla, i think it is very much as it always has been. supporting prince charles. because, we know he is someone who is not always found in the pressures of duty easily. but, in the last couple of days, the speech he made yesterday, it is looking a lot more encouraging, frankly, that a lot of us might have guessed. i think that is down, in part, to camilla's presence and support. >> royal historian, it is great

to have you on the story and the program. thank you so much. after a quick break i will talk to two of the people who have had a unique inside look inside the queen's life, and history inside the throne. much more to come in the special edition of velshi. elshi. and tonight's winning numbers are 18, 18 55, 39, 71, and 43 we won! yes! noooo... noooo... noooo... quick, the quicker picker upper! bounty picks up messes quicker and each sheet is 2x more absorbent, so you can use less. i'll hold onto that. bounty, the quicker picker upper.