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september 10th i am velshi, and we have people standing by in london. a city that thousands of people have travel to in the past thousand hours to pay respect to queen elizabeth the second. britain's longest serving monarch who died at age 96 on thursday. it is the literal end of the narrow. as a young woman, she made the choice to serve her whole life, whether it be long or short. and quote. she was true to her words as she saved british people's queen for several years, far longer than any other monarch in british history. shorter only than the rain of louis the 14th in the history of all european monarchy. 15 prime ministers have assumed their role during her reign. she met 14 american presidents and five popes in her lifetime, and far more often than not she was the only woman in the most powerful woman in any room into what she stepped foot.

much has changed over the past seven decades. the world has undergone a radical transformation that has seen the industrial age evolved into the digital age. through it all, the queen was a constant and steady presence for the british people. queen elizabeth was an even tempered monarch was never quick to react or show a motions. in that way, she injured her way to the public. it is unmatched by any other member of the royal family. for that same reason, in the institution she represented, it took a major hit after the death of diane. as she was pretty much the opposite of the stoic, reserved queen. as beloved as elizabeth was she also represented an institution that had a long, an ugly history of brutal colonialism, violence, theft, and slavery. for many centuries the british robbed other nations of their wealth and power and exploited their people. even as queen elizabeth rain largely marks the beginning of the post colonial era. the horrors that her long line

of ancestors inflicted upon many generations of people across the globe continues to be the source of pain. that is now a legacy that her eldest son, king charles iii, inherits as the new head of state, and ahead of the british commonwealth. what is now known as the commonwealth of nations. he has a massive task ahead of him as the country, and his family, face an uncertain future but the matriarch who has been there guiding star for so long gone. formally proclaimed the new king by the succession council, king charles has this to say about his mother. >> my mother gave an example of lifelong love and of selfless service. my mother's rain wasn't equaled. it's dedication and devotion. even as we grave we give thanks. for this most faithful life. i am deeply aware of this great

inheritance and the duties and heavy responsibilities of sovereignty. it will now pass to me. >> my colleague in london, just outside of buckingham palace, joining our conversation now is mr. roberts, of british historians. the author of many books about the royal family, including the royal house of windsor and george the third. the life and reign of britain's most and misunderstood monarch. andrew, good to see you. thank you for being with us this morning, or this afternoon. in london, let's discuss this. the idea that there are people. and we just had a story and say there are many people who are cleanness. the lighter. they are bored with the institution or think it needs to change. they will not be that into the next king. what is your evaluation? >> i think that is overstated,

frankly. when you look at all the opinion polls we are about 80 to 85% in favor of having a constitutional monarchy. whoever is saying that, and something on the throne. i think this is extremely over done. frankly, i am afraid to say, as your introduction was, it pains people throughout history, why was she chosen by every single commonwealth country, many of which are former countries, as the head of the commonwealth. >> andrew, hold on a second. are you really denying what i just said about racial colonialism? are you really doing that andrew? andrew, andrew, this is not a propaganda show. andrew, i need you to stop. i need to stop for a second. are you really taking issue with the horrors of colonialism, andrew? >> i am certainly taking issue with your remarks about slavery. we all abolished at 32 years before you did. we did not kill 600,000 people in a civil war over it. >> so, you think that is fine.

there are people all over the world were born in colonial countries, because, when i was born the british empire still existed. and, that is okay for everybody? >> which country were you born. in >> kenya. >> right, and the canyons not only supported the appointment of prince charles, now king charles, as the head of the commonwealth, but we just had a fantastic statement from the president of kenya saying what a wonderful thing that is. >> and the president of the united states is going to attend her funeral. the fact is. >> why on earth do you want to concentrate on the negative things of an institution from 100 years ago. >> i can't read you my opening, again. i did not concentrate on it. i said that there are many people the world, many millions of people the world, and i do not know if you have social media but you should check it out. there are many who do not think we should be celebrating the british monarchy right now. and many in britain, by the way. many in britain. >> where are these people in

for ten? you know, as i say. between ten and 15% don't want a monarchy. >> so you're prepared to discount ten to 15% of the population who thinks this is inaccuracy? >> i think people believe anything. it is far more right to concentrate on them, rather than a tiny minority. it is like people who believe in, oh, i don't know, >> i actually think one of the feelings of her history is that we do not concentrate on minorities or the bruise of minorities. you and i will defer on that. i actually think that when there are minorities who do not see things the same way as everyone else we should shine a light on them. >> on a great national occasion i really think to concentrate on what upset some people rather than what 80 to 85% of people are doing. >> there are a lot more people around the world who do not see the same way. who grew up under the yoke of colonialism and the british empire. >> the way in which the entire

leaders of the world are writing to even monsters like putin to king charles and saying, what a great thing this is. you had in your opening interview, you had to talk about the great imperial families to which we all belong. you know, the idea that that is in some way a attack on this is -- >> well, it is nice to be able to whitewash that sort of thing. i'm glad you closed off with the idea that even flatter mere putin had nice things to say about the queen. that seals the conversation for us. andrew, thanks for joining us. msnbc news, produces story and. let's go outside of buckingham palace. >> well, there is a lot of activity here. we do not really know exactly what it has been. there has been a coming and going of cars. frankly, a coming and go way of what happened to be some working vehicles. the thousands of people here who have come to pay their

respects to the queen, and perhaps, hoping to catch a glimpse of the new king are still waiting to see if that will happen today. joining us now is debra heart strobe or and gerald to our authors of the book, queen elizabeth the second. and oral history. it features numerous interviews with private staff, family friends, and public figures who know the royal family well. it is good to see both of you. debra, let me start with you. is there an anecdote that you can tell us? a story you can tell us that is indicative of how the people who you spoke with felt about queen elizabeth? >> everybody, you know, it is very odd inspiring to come into all of the people we spoke to they walk into his presence and she had a glorious smile. they would just smell her presence and she would often

have her dogs, her beloved dogs, with her. she would be putting them. human side of her came out when they did that. >> let's talk about what people grew to expect. you are here in the studio and that did not get a chance to say hello to you. but to people grow to expect of her that was not tied to her being a monarch, or being a royal. so much of these conversations had to do with her bring her dogs with her. they had to do with a woman with personal appeal. a human with personal appeal. as opposed to clean. tell me, what is the distinction between the two? >> the distinction is, every morning she has to get up knowing that she is the queen, and all of that entails. at the same time, she has her private life. she had her husband for several years. she had her children with all their foibles and problems. so, there is that balance and tension between the official

person that the whole world is looking at >> didn't she have to subsumed the person she was? certainly, reading her history. we do not know what she would have been like if she was not the queen. she had to decide that her responsibility took over. you know, her personal feelings about things. >> absolutely. i am sure there were times that she would have wished she could have been at home with her children, riding horseback, barbecuing, the whole thing. and she had to go on many, many trips. that was part of the job of being the queen. >> you know, they call it the job, as you well now. . i wonder, being in such close proximity to his mother, his mom, and very much, as the queen, charles might have taken away, and that we can expect to

see, in the coming days, weeks, and months. >> i assume charles is going to streamline the monarchy. he is going to put aside some of the lesser royals. he is going to be his own person. remember, he is living as a kind of middleman between a great admiration for years that his mother got it was and friends of will's and the heir apparent. he will have to live in the tension of trying to green together popularity, trying to follow in the footsteps of his mother. with his son's footsteps racing behind. >> we had a conversation with someone who said that, you know, in so far as queen elizabeth had to formulate her role, because, of such a changing world. king charles's role will be, i am paraphrasing, to not break anything. in other words, because of what

you just said, he may not be transformational, as much as do not do anything wrong. >> yes, well, he had wonderful examples from his mother and i thought his speech to the nation was so marvelous where he talked about official responsibilities, but then, he had mommy and daddy. i think he is going to be a moderate who will be very, very much in the mold of his mother. as his father actually did when he became the concert. >> as you sleep with people, i will be curious to hear from both of you about this. these are oral histories. you spoke with every day people, people who are around them, family members, you spoke with world leaders, what was the

thread that bound them all together in their impression of the queen? or, is there something you took away that surprise you because you had been watching so much from the outside, as the only way most of us have ever seen her? >> i think the thread is the devotion to do this as the audience knows that she was, next week, in south africa, so, duty was instilled into her by her parents, especially by her father. i think we came away with the sense of what it must be like for her to have dealt with all these problems and issues, and yet, remain strong, remain symbolic, have the power she had to maintain in these

circumstances. >> as far as i was concerned, although diana was called the peoples princess, i believe having to observe the queen that she was the peoples monarch. thank you both for the work that you've done, and for joining us live. it's exciting to see in the studio. we appreciate your time. >> debra heart strummer, gerald strobe or, their authors of queen elizabeth ii, an oral history which futures interviews with fans -- family, friends, and international figures. don't go anywhere where, we've got more on velshi, were outside buckingham palace in london. just moments ago we saw the royal scottish family, but after the break we'll head back to balmoral for a live report. l for a live report. [laughing] it shows.

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>> welcome back to the special edition of velshi. i'm outside of buckingham palace. it was just minutes ago that members of the royal family gathered outside of balmoral castle in scotland, where queen elizabeth passed away on thursday. there you see prince edward, princess and as well. tomorrow the late queens coffin will be moved from balmoral to her official residence at edinburgh, scotland, where it's expected to be carried in procession to the cathedral on monday. she will be laid to rest at windsor castle, next to her husband, prince philip, who died last year. we are joined now from balmoral, let's the sense of things where you are today, kelly? >> chris, we've seen busloads of people throughout the day.

people who live locally who felt like the queen was not only their monarch, but also their neighbor. she spent a great deal of time here, and spent a special connection to her. laying flowers at the gate behind me, they've been laying hand written messages, kids condolence cards that they made at home for the queen and family. we saw the queen's family briefly a short time ago. they came down this road, went to a short prayer service in a church not far from here where the queen used to attend services, and then came back. three of the queens children getting out of the cars. prince andrew, prince edward, and princess and looking at all of those messages and flowers. prince andrew said we had one day with her -- one day to say goodbye. we had our day, now it's time to hand her on. this was a plates -- place absolutely be loved and

adored by queen elizabeth. it is her last night here, should be moved to a number tomorrow. she spent all of her summers here. she hosted presidents, dignitaries, she famously hosted the then-king of saudi arabia for at that time. it wasn't legal for women to drive in the country, yet she insisted on getting behind the wheel and driving him around. he was begging her through a translator to slow down and concentrate on the road. there are so many incredible anecdotes like that that come from this place which is magical to her. the former prime minister tony blair saying in his memoir that she was so relaxed, she and other members of the royal family actually do the dishes. the queen would walk around, ask if you are done with your food, stack plates, and head to

the kitchen with a pair of kitchen gloves. images that are hard for us to imagine, standing on the outside and afar, watching this very regal women over the years. but here in balmoral, he was relaxed, and this was a place where she really felt at home. again, her last night here, she'll be moved to edinburgh tomorrow. chris? >> nbc news, kelly cobiella, thank you. in fact it's been reported that we spend more and more time there as she could in the recent months, and even recent years hoping, in fact, that in the end that might be where she came to rest. we're going to have much more from london, after a quick break. ali will join us again. stay with us. stay with us we've got apples and cabbage. 7,000 dahlias, vegetables, and brisket for dinner. this is my happy place. we've been coming here, since 1868. my grandmother used to say,

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examine top secret documents that were seized from donald trump's private home. the doj is putting forward barbara jones, -- trump's lawyers have also selected a former judge, as well as lawyer paul heck junior -- former attorney general for florida. the judge that granted trump's request for a special master will ultimately decide who gets the job. it will be a difficult role no matter who gets it, and it's fraught with potential risk. the judge who approved the original mar-a-lago search faced death threats. they're not the only one threatened in recent rise -- joining me now -- professor good to see you, thank you so much. it's fascinating that something like yours even exists. polarization and extremism research lab. let's discuss that. one of the things that's on peoples minds right now is the degree to which prosecuting

donald trump for anything in a serious way could lead to further polarization and political violence in this country. how do you evaluate that? >> thanks for having me. it's great to be here. you're right, as a research lab, we've only been around for around two, two and a half years. it's relatively new. were toddlers in the space. we come at it from a perspective of trying to prevent political violence and extremist violence, in a way that's increasingly needed in the space and in this field. there's a lot of concern about rising political violence, rising support for political violence. we're seeing both of these things. it's not sure that support for political violence will translate into actual violence. the poll numbers are troubling. you have to separate out not holding someone accountable for actions they've done. you can't change the

accountability and -- accountability for perpetrators because you're afraid of the outcome. we have to think about prevention within the mainstream in a different way, and reducing the fertile ground that extremist violence can thrive. and >> i had a conversation a little while with a congresswoman who's been a victim of some of this hate and the way it's ratcheted up. she also said we need to change the way people think about this. not the prosecution of donald trump, or wherever it goes. my question is, how exactly? you search this? when the people are not listening to conversations like these are reading your books? >> that's a good point, we're in echo chambers here. there is a couple of things that we know work. there is evidence that you can educate people to not be swayed by propaganda. in videos that are 30 seconds. they can be the length of an

advertisement. they can work for people that are indecisive, even slightly dug in, that we know is and true, that's disinformation. we have to scale up the evidence of what we know what works. and we have to bring that out throughout the country. -- we have to pay attention to victims and survivors of political violence and hate. in ways that we don't do a good enough job of. when an attack happens, when you have political or extremist or hate field violence, we pay so much attention to the perpetrators and center that story as we think about justice instead of saying, you know, what are the resources that communities need to recover, to get medical bills, funeral bills fade for, to pay for damage and wage lasts? and those kinds of things. i think people understand the impact a lot better -- than they wouldn't just be thinking about the perpetrators,

but understand the harm that's done to the entire communities. >> you said something interesting about your book, historically the far-right has worked actively -- in recent years there's been a tactical shift to undermine governments from within. in the united states where the political system does not allow for smaller polo -- parties to engage seriously -- this is a damage from within strategy that is harder to pull back from, quite possibly. >> it's called entry-ism. it's a strategy that has been in play for a while now. we've seen the effects of it. one of the things that i wish mainstream republicans would embrace it is rejecting that extremist fringe within their own party. if you understand that there is a deliberate tactic, and there have been deliberate strategies to infiltrate the party and to use that to ride along and then

make changes from within, maybe that is one way to start rejecting some of the real conspiracy and fringe actions from taking place within one of our two political parties. >> cynthia, thank you for joining us. she's the director of the polarization and extremist research polarization lab, and the author of -- the new global far right. up next, british colonialism. it is a hot conversation that i started having at the top of the hour. i will tell you a little bit more about the dark legacy of the british royals. the british royals wrap their arms around us, could we put little handles on our jackets? -denied. -can you imagine? i want a new nickname. can you guys start calling me snake? no, bryan. -denied. -how about we all get quotes to see if we can save with america's number one motorcycle insurer? approved. cool! hey, if bryan's not gonna be snake,

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more about colonialism. the first elizabeth an era ended when clean elizabeth the first died in 16 or three. her 45 year rain was, quote, a golden age. the, i guess that depends on your perspective which marked england's emergence as an ambitious and ruthless global power. elizabeth the first heavily encouraged privateering. granted charters or trading and exploration rights to private companies which paved the ways for an intercontinental empire. it was xi who gave walter rally permission to set up a small county on roanoke island, the first foray into the colonization of america. centuries later, the second elizabeth an era has just ended with the death of queen

elizabeth the second. the two rains invite easy comparison. they are tethered by their unique position in the timeline of british colonialism. the beginning, and the beginning of the end. in the 1920s, the british empire was at its zenith. ruling and controlling the natural resources and economic put of around a quarter of the world's entire population. about 413 million people at the time. all of these countries in red or controlled by the british empire. you can see, canada, australia, india, ireland, much of africa, just to name a few of the countries. to quote an often used phrase throughout the 18th and 20th centuries, the sun never sets on the british empire. it literally meant that it was daylight somewhere around the globe in a place that britain controlled. but nightfall for the empire was on the horizon by the time elizabeth became queen. it was ushered in by the colonized, not by the colonizer. in 1947, a few months after queen elizabeth the second 21st

birthday, but five years before she became the monarch, britain would lose one of its most crucial imperial possessions, india, and the newly partitioned pakistan. for more than a century, britain had exploited local rulers workers, and resources in india. flooding the british economy with cotton and cash. india not only paved the way for britain's massive global rise, but funded the continued progress of the industrial revolution. remnants of colonialism in india continue in the conflict between india and pakistan, and india's continued colonization of kashmir. i don't need to make a metaphor here. the 105 carat diamond which sits in one of the three royal consort crowns is a spoil of war from india. as countless sought and achieved independence from england, many became members of the commonwealth, which was formed in 1949. upon her death, queen elizabeth the second remained the head of state a 15 commonwealth nations.

36 of those countries are now republicans, without a royal head of state. five have their own monarchs. while the commonwealth is a vestige of colonialism, initially conceived as a consortium of white solicit colonies, the commonwealth was a vehicle to preserve britain's global influence in a time when decolonization was getting more popular. it really position britney -- britton ahead of a massive school, teaching the former colonists how to behave and in theory, self governed. through the lens of history it's now seen as patronizing, sometimes racist. including the 12 years when apartheid south africa was a member. it's a super fluid thing and probably a waste of money. but the mid 1970s, the british empire was reduced to little pockets around the world. when hong kong was transferred to china in 1997, the prince of wales called it the end of empire. that prince is now king charles iii. colonization, british or

otherwise or, was economic exploitation, violence, and racism. decolonization, virtually never initialized by the british, was often a bloody and deadly fight for independence. example, the u.s. revolutionary war, the concentration camps established -- in south africa. the massacre of hundreds of sikh worshippers in india, in under ten minutes, by the way in 1919. the death between 20,000 and 100,000 people in the maumelle uprising in my birthplace of kenya in 19 50s. the opium wars in china. lesser known atrocities like civilian torture in cypress. the continued mess which is israel and palestine today. all of it is the legacy of british colonialism. we elizabeth was widely respected and admired. but if you're having mixed feelings about the morning of the queen and the institution that she represented for so many decades, that's a valid, and you're not alone. alone ♪ breeze driftin' on by... ♪ if you've been playing down your copd,...

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into this discussion on colonialism is melissa murray, professor of law of and wire and co-host of the strict scrutiny podcast -- and the professor of black studies at the -- university, but he was the first ever professor of black studies in the united kingdom. he's author of the book the new age of empire, how racism and colonialism still rule the world. good morning to both of you. professor andrews, let me start with you. it's not that people don't think that there is a space for this discussion, but there's a lot of people on my twitter timeline right now saying today is not the day for this discussion, your thoughts? >> it's not a coincidence that this is an american channel. in the uk it's very much a case for, respect the queen, many people in this country, millions of people had a different relationship to the

queen because of -- she symbolizes a lot of the racism we face. >> melissa, i don't mean to be unfair. i actually like the queen. i think she was a great leader and i credit her for being there at the end of the british empire and seeing its to its proper death. but there are mixed feelings. there's a lot of people who benefited from the british empire. a lot of people who were born in countries that were former colonies that to this day don't thrive, and to some of its people do not thrive because of the history of colonialism. >> that's exactly right, ali, i think that one of the things that's been missing from the dialogue around the world on social media is that there are people who have respect, reverence, even affection for the queen. many of them, many of us are struggling to reconcile those very warm feeling with our very real objections to the legacy of colonialism in these countries. to which we have very strong

ties. and the legacy of post colonialism in those places. you can do those things at once. you have to do two things at once. we have to reckon with the morning of this revered leader, but also at the legacy of the institution that she represents. >> professor andrews, you teach this, in fact, two year students. how do you express colonialism. what's the short form of the effect of colonialism today? was it bad? i draw the conclusion that yes, it was bad. it was exploitative, it was violent, it was economic exploitation of people. do you share the view? is it bad? >> of course colonialism's bed. there was terrible. if you look at the map of the world of gdp by capita, the poorest countries are in africa where the black people live. and the richest ones are where the way people live. we have a world that is white

supremacy, which came from this colonialist system. -- that's one of the reasons that she's so popular is that she's a throwback to those times when britain was great and dominated the world. you can't separate that history from the poverty that you see around the world today. my -- these things aren't things that happened in the past, there are things that are with us today. >> melissa tell me about you, how you see this. as we've been in conversations on social media who are from diasporas, that were colonized by the british. tell me about the complexity of your thoughts on this? like professor andrews, i am also a descendant of jamaican. 's my parents are jamaican immigrants. although i was raise predominantly in the united states, i spent a lot of time in jamaica. i went to school in kingston and one point. i think it's hard to reconcile the way in which you literally live with a vestiges of a colonial past when you are living in a country like that. the streets are named for

monarchs and aristocrats. the infrastructure is very much something that's imposed by the british government. it was placed there by the british government. as professor andrew says, it a lot of it hasn't been updated. the country is desperately poor and a lot of places. it's hard to reconcile your affection for the queen and what she stands for without also grappling with when it means for the material conditions of your family and those that you love who continue to live in these places that were touched by the british empire. >> so kehinde, how do you reconcile? that what professor mary is bringing up, it's difficult to hold these two thoughts. but we can hold these two thoughts. you can like the queen, you can honor the fact that someone has passed, but you can say that she didn't forsake the institution that was responsible for colonialism. she didn't forsake her ancestry that was responsible for that sort of thing. and maybe this is in fact the exact moment to have this

conversation because it sits in the background of people's minds. you teach it, you read about it, you think about it a lot. but a lot of people don't. >> i think the question is, do you have affection? i don't have any affection for the queen. that's nothing personal against her. i don't know her. none of us know her, right? it's said that someone's passed away. but that affected doesn't exist for me. my grandmother's generation, she grew up in colonial -- she was taught to review the queen. we understood who the queen, was the loyalist and the monarchy representing the racism that my generation felt. there is no -- we have never seen the queen and someone who represents us, as someone who has represented us. there is literally no conflict. you can see the critical neighbor -- nature that has to be brought to this. this is someone who represented white colonialism, and supremacy. i'm not sure why i shouldn't say it. when millions of people have exactly the same feeling.

>> professor mary, i had a discussion with someone an hour ago, he said, where were you born? i said i was born in kenya. he said that country is one of 15 colonial nations which have chosen the british monarch as their own monarch as if to say, well if you did that, then all of colonialism is forgiven and forgotten. but this is a case amongst people, for post-colonialist countries, many of them do keep the british monarchy as their monarch and can continue to be a member of the commonwealth of nations. >> it's -- jamaica is one of the commonwealth realms that you've mentioned. again, i don't know if being part of the commonwealth means that you cannot interrogate the meaning of colonialism, the legacy of post colonialism and what you want to do with your nation going forward into the future. this is a moment of transition for the british monarchy, for the royal family, they're moving on to a new leader. it's sensory son that around

the world there may be countries wondering whether continuing to be part of a monarchy is something that they should do for themselves and for their countrymen? >> professor andrews, do you think this whole episode of colonialism in that fashion is behind us? there are still exploited countries. there is still exploited people. it's no longer necessarily a white people versus people of color thing, or european countries. how do you think of colonialism moving forward, as opposed to looking at it from a rearview mirror? >> all that's happened is colonialism has changed, right? it isn't european nation states dominating -- it's a very clear shift where america is now the center. countries have their freedom in theory, but actually if you look at the economics of it it's exactly the same. as i said earlier, the poorest countries in the world are in sub-saharan africa, the richest are in the west. there is migration crises. the logic of imperialism is that brett --

black and brown life is disposable -- if you look at the world today, that hasn't changed in any meaningful way at all. the really -- the reason why so many of us don't see the royal family as a symbol, someone to look up to, is that, actually, why that family is so popular is because she represented imperialism in a colonial way that we thought about in some ways, and that's one of the things that's one of the worst things that can happen. -- >> i appreciate, this is a difficult conversation to happen. probably not for you, but it's a difficult moment to have this conversation, but i stand with those who think this is the right moment to have this conversation. melissa is the co-host of the strict scrutiny podcast, doctor kehinde andrews is a professor of black studies, and the author of the new age of empire. nbc's chris is back with me from london. chris, you've seen the crowds

outside of buckingham palace. the dozens of -- the tens of thousands of people who have been coming by to pay their respects to queen elizabeth ii. give me a sense of her mood there? >> it's mixed. there's a somberness about the loss of a queen. there's a disquieting feeling about change, we all feel that when there's change. i was thinking, elie, as you are saying how this queen brought us into the digital age, how things have changed. of course it's not always -- not always been for the better. we spend a lot of time looking at our phones. we text instead of talking. there's fewer and fewer things that bring us together. and yet, as i look over the shoulder, and see the crowds that poor and by the thousands, it's something that brings people together. it's been a long time, it feels, like for a lot of folks because of the pandemic that they've been able to be together. there's a sense of comfort at a

time of change. whatever you may have thought or felt about the queen and perhaps, more to the point, if you feel something different about the man who is now the king, charles, there's something about coming together and being together and witnessing a moment in history and sharing that in close proximity with other people, i think, that does bring to the folks who have come here, and in the conversations i've had with him, a sense of belonging, a sense that you can still come together in a world that often seems very disconnected. in a wothe other thing i wouldy very briefly is that it does have a feeling of a peaceful transition of power. a different kind of power, obviously, then we've talked about in the united states, but one that has been so seriously frayed back home, where you are, at louis. >> i think one of the conversations we had earlier that stands out to me is what king charles's role should be,

and the comment we both heard, is, basically don't break anything. >> he would like to think that it's more than that, but at this very fraught moment, politically, economically, and emotionally, there is a sense that, at least in the short term, that will certainly be his mission. >> chris, what happens next? you are there, this is a long process, this is probably going to be a couple of weeks almost? >> yeah, it's probably going to be nine or ten days. they haven't officially announced when the funeral is going to be. we talked a little bit earlier about where the body will be moved. it will be many days before queen of elizabeth's body, the coffin comes back to london. it's all been planned out for many years. we're going to again see the kind of moments that we saw today. some of them playing out for the first time in color. many of them playing out for the first time, obviously with

these folks who have now shifted, right? now we have a new king. now there's a new air apparent. if you go to the royal website, you can see that their titles have been adjusted. there's a new era, but rooted in the traditions of the past. >> chris, thank you for your great courage there. it's always good to be with you on tv. that does it for us this morning. my thanks to chris, my thanks to you all for watching this special edition of velshi. she will be back tomorrow morning. we are starting with 7 am eastern, instead of eight. i'll be there at seven to 10 am, don't forget velshi is also available as a podcast. you can listen to the entire show and listen for free, where you get your podcasts. stay right where you are, alex witt picks up the coverage. the th

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