politicsnation. tonight's lead, turning points. it right now, while england is mourning the late queen elizabeth, much of the rest of the world reflecting on what her passing represents. here in america, another potential c change is looming. and mid term election taking place amid the growing concerned that our democracy is legit lee at stake. because one segment of the political party is wedded to the idea that one man should remain above the law. and that man donald trump, appears to have done as much as possible while president to ensure that he would remain legally untouchable, even once out of office. his actions as president are

now impacting the federal investigation into classified materials. seized from mar-a-lago last month. a trump appointed florida judge ruling in favor this week on his legal team's request for an independent, special master to review just what the fbi retrieved. and now that relationship between the judge and maga is under a spotlight. while the justice department prepares to appeal the decision. of, course we will be looking at all of that. along with the investigations impact on midterms less than eight weeks away. that is tonight on politicsnation. plus, as memorials for queen elizabeth continue and england this weekend, i will talk to a block british civil rights activists. about what the queens deaf means for a black countries, that gained independence from

britain while she was on the throne. what is her legacy to the black -- and what does the future of britain literally look like? i will ask that shortly. but first, let's go to london, england for a quick update on the latest funeral arrangements following the death of the queen. nbc's matt bradley is standing by. matt, what can you tell us? >> good, evening we are just the past few hours that the sketches of this funeral kind of coming into a little bit of a clearer perspective. we understand now that it's been confirmed that the funeral for the queen will not be this monday but the following monday. you have all more than a week of calm and circumstances. it'll be stretching from the very north of the country from scotland in balmoral. where the queen died, all the way down to where i am here, in london and it will include, including with king charles

assured, all of the four constituent countries of the united kingdom. while we, see we watch britons more in the queen and this again, all of this pageantry as been all by the british governance in plan for years. it has been called operation london bridge. in parallel, there's operation spring tide. that is to welcome the nuking. he will be traveling, again all of those constituent countries. scotland, wales, england and northern island. to try to essentially, meet all of his new subjects. and to draw all these countries in a little bit closer. it's a very interesting moment and i hope that it will cover it with your next guest, talking about the queens colonial legacy. or the monarchs colonial legacy. we also have these countries that are closer to home and there is worries among many in the political class here in britain. the best of the queen will ignite the spirit of

republicanism that is been dormant for the last few years. and alaska decades both in scotland and northern of the lane and seeing a lot of issues, and australia in canada in just in the past three months and barbados shedding and chatting to the queen. this is something that really could ripple out from here in britain from london where i am. throughout the entire world, across all of the commonwealth. and a lot of this comments are sends a lot of the pageantry, and then next week or two and a lot of it is going to be aimed at making sure that those commonwealth countries and those countries are within the united kingdom, they remember they recall why they need the queen. whether or not they actually do need the queen. that is going to be up to voters and people and a lot of these voters were coming to a referendum. particularly in scotland. we lose a lot of talk about staging yet another referendum on whether scotts want to remain within the united

kingdom. all of this will be coming to a head is king charles the third who is popular but in the past has gone through some very serious periods where he was not popular with the public. this will be a major reckoning for the monarchy. after seven years, the longest serving monarch ever in the history of britain. has finally died. reverend? >> thank you to nbc matt bradley in london. back to domestic problems joining me now, congressman gregory meets, democrat of new york. chair of the foreign affairs committee. -- thank you for joining us tonight. i want to serve the weeks developing, the developments surrounding the classified materials removed by fbi agents from donald trump's mar-a-lago estate last month. the week began with a florida, federal judge appointed by president trump. issuing an order approving an

independent special master. through review the materials retrieved. effectively, harping investigation while both the justice department of p owes and the doj, and trump camps have made their request for who that special master should be. and then of course you have the judges appointment by trump two years ago. critics of this week's ruling, scrutinizing that along her relative inexperience. and conservative affiliations, as putting a role in her decision. still, for all of the drama and it feels like a stalling tactic by the trump camp. isn't that vitamin recommitting in dartmouth how the special master view takes congressman? ? well >> i think as the investigation continues, and the grandeur should look at this case an impartial grand jury. and the facts, comments i think that they will.

and there should be an indictment. i also think that there will be no one is above the law, we talk about it all of the time. and for the first-time, we have a president at the united states who has done things even worse than richard nixon has done. apparently and has been one that has decided not to cooperate in the manner that one should. it seems to me now that before the, judge, i know that any other citizen if there is any contact between that judge and that defendant are potential defendant. that judge would have to recuse themselves. so it seemed to, me it may be reasonable for a judge who was appointed by the former president, should recuse themselves from being on office ill that you can avoid even the empress and of impropriety. for the purity of justice, in that regard. so not talking about a special master, which i think that and goes against what we're looking for. the president of the united states for the judge, if you

really want to avoid the appearance of any improprieties, than that judge should sit down and an individual who is not appointed by donald trump should be the case. congressman, on tuesday i'll be in washington as head of the national action for the white house and united we stand summit on hate. the 21st anniversary of the 9/11 terror attacks is tomorrow. and i'll be thinking about that day on tuesday, specifically the war on terror. not emerged and how republican lawmakers justify surveillance of even peaceful islamic groups. because of a presumed, terror threat. then you fast forward to this past week congressman, you have this report from the anti-defamation league. which found the names of hundreds of law enforcement, public officials and military personnel in the league membership roles of the far

right oath keepers group. which was of course at the center of the insurrection. and they of course, weren't the only extremist groups or hate groups out there, still you have the sitting members of congress. defending the events of that day and they're participants. some of those lawmakers were torn around tomorrow and tweet about homeland security and protecting us from foreign threats. your thoughts congressman? >> the biggest threat to us in america it is internal. clearly when you look at what took place on january six, the biggest threat to our democracy is internal. they did more damage to the united states capitol, killing police officers, violating all types of rules and laws. the biggest threat is from within. that is becoming very, clear when you look at the oath keepers and what the non-defamation group has looked. that will be looking at people

who are being recruited, who are police officers are firefighters. former elected officials. that is something that shows you the deep threat internally that has to be looked at and is something that i think you reverend sharpton and all of the civil rights groups. you have brought that along for a long period of time. and it's very significant and important for the president of the united states to be the one that is bringing people together, so that we can say that we are living in america. for all of us are concerned about that internal threat that could tear this nation apart. matt goes unchecked and on look that. so i think it is very important and very significant that you be there along with the president of united states and other civil rescues. and people from across the board and police departments across the board. the fbi and everybody looking at what is taking place. is that we can preserve democracy in america. when i travel do, no hype too often now is tear the house

foreign affairs committee. people are looking at what's taking place, here they ask me. how can the united states who supposed to be the leader of the free world allow the kind of thing that took place on january six, that kind of recruitment that the oath keepers have been doing of long forsman and others are continuing without being restricting and investigations, arrest and those type of individuals from our society. >> finally congressman, is that your group that sanity -- check sure will be able to get republican voters and the republican votes in the -- past legislation making same-sex marriage federal law. about that he announced was pending this week. >> i think he surely should try when you can call the road. you should call the, vote we passed it protection of marriage act in the house that we had. some 47 republicans that did a whole lot of other republicans

did not. they all should be on the record. let's see where they stand, we've heard what justice thomas said. where he wants to rollback and for the first time we've seen the supreme court talking about rolling back rights. so we have to reaffirm the fact that we want to protect marriage and protect you know for lgbtq folks as well as interracial marriage. call the rosen, and it's a good thing that senator schumer will be bringing that ball to the floor of the senate. we passes on the, house let see what takes place in the senate. >> thank you congressman, greg meets as always for being with us. joining me now is terrell, butch green jr.. president and ceo of black enterprise. mr. graves, thank you for joining politicsnation. and i wanted to have you on because just eight weeks till midterms. what role can back publications, black enterprises and independent black newspapers play and driving turnout in key

races like georgia. like pennsylvania, like florida and others. >> and, sharpton thank you for inviting me to be a part of the show today. you know black, medial one ocala black newspapers or black magazines. really, it's about media as a whole. black media has to be out putting articles and informing our people about the importance of voting. why it's so important because the lack of voting or what is taking place in places like georgia, places like texas. and they are getting in the way of standing in the way potentially people getting out to vote. we'll have an impact for dozens of years. evan factory don't come out in strong numbers. so we have seen as what is happened since 2020, hopefully

there are people that are out that are getting behind stacey abrams and others. or running for key, keepers into cross the country. all of black, media whether or not it's black enterprise an essence, it is beaty. anything that's talking to the respected community. including the latinx community has got to come out and provide impact and exposure to getting the vote. it's not just about voting every four years, it's about voting every time we have an opportunity. >> black media has a particular credibility with people that need that urging because they are coming from a position of where they deal with the issues all of the time. like for example, mr. graves, watching what is happening in jackson, mississippi. about to go into his third week of a water crisis affecting more than 150, 000, mostly black residents. the network just joined,

reverend jamal brian and others and sending trailers, trucks full of bottled water down there. the crisis has obviously galvanized the civil rights community. it is also an environmental issue, some say worsened by climate change. it's already disproportionately affecting black communities. i cannot help but think that the black media of the future, love to deal with both of these issues. both racial an environmental justice because the black communities that they serve will be forced to. your thoughts on that mr. graham? >> yes environmental issues disproportionately impact black and brown communities. and so we cannot just focus on things having to do with police violence or other things that we deemed to be important. now that they are not important but we have to understand that all of these things that when they vote against having apa

segments, restraints on certain things having to do with pollution and others. the aftermath of that is what you see happening in jackson, mississippi. this will not happen in a well to do right community. it just will not happen. these things would have been dealt with sometime ago and this has been a problem, as problems are not just happen. it has been in place and has been warned about for at least ten years. and now the it is too late in the process. we have to make it at the top of the list of what is important to us. >> finally mister, graves your father grammy punishment to call you butchers ago. we have talked about the culture a need for black turnout, and midterm cycle. and the impact black voters can have on these high profiles. i know they're a big proponent

of black political participation in local elections. specifically to speed the recovery of black business after the pandemic. how are the two linked in your view? >> well at the end of the day we have to vote for those people are going to take care of us. and the reality is is that that is not been oftentimes the case. if in fact we don't have politicians in place, then we will not have anyone speaking up on behalf of us. it is like the need to have black on media stay in place. black on medias the only one that we will leave with our issues. and having black politicians to help represent this and local races. and midterm races. we need to see a population of politicians, that is representative of the population in general. that is not what we see. we represent 13, 14% of the population. latinas represent 13, 14% of the population.

yet we don't have anywhere close to 27 or 28%. politicians outer voted upon positions. it is imperative that we get out and we vote for our folks that look like us. might represent us, black on media and black media in general will play a substantial important role. and making sure that happens. >> earl butch graves, thank you for being with us tonight. coming up, we will look at what the death of queen elizabeth the second means to her black subjects. and former subjects, lord simon will join us to offer his unique perspective. but, first my colleague with today's top news stories. richard? >> we have a good saturday, more on that story. on the loss of the, queen the united kingdom on the passing of queen elizabeth second. controls third was officially announce as britain's monarchs today. -- and also thicken oath of allegiance to the new king.

the parliament for a rare saturday session, princess harry along with the watch -- the met with more whose upside. they also spend time with tributes laid on the ground to the queen. the funeral and that is monday, westminster abby. u.s. president joe biden. we'll be there and also today. and it will have -- in parts of ukraine, second largest cities. ukrainian soldiers have now recaptured nearly 1000 square miles of that city. this adds to other cities. ukraine military is regained control up until recent days. more politics nation with reverend after this break. rend after this break. me? about 1000. walgreens...millions. ♪♪ i cannot miss her big debut. with your booster, i think you'll be there. for every twirl. i got a shot so my sister won't get sick. way to go, big bro! so while we're here... flu shot, as well?

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we turn out to my political panel for their takes on today's biggest stories. i'm joined by susan del press eo. republican strategist, dana

milbank and political columnist for the washington post. thank you both for joining me. i want to start by getting your thoughts about the death of queen elizabeth the second. she was not explicitly a political figure. but met with 14 u.s. presidents, going all the way back to harry truman. and served as head of state to america's closest, global ally. what a legacy be? especially from the perspective of american politics, briefly susan you first. and then you dana. >> i think she will be remembered and united states as somebody was above it all. and when we look at our current political system, and shows that we really need somebody who can guide our country and be a moral compass. and be able to provide some stability. and i think that's what she represents, the other thing was looking at her meeting with those 14 presidents, it was

like a timeline. it was to her fact in history, and i'm just happy that the last president she met with, with joe biden. >> your response dana? >> i agree very much susan you see and our system of government our head of government is our head of state. and we don't have somebody who can just stand for the country as opposed to being mixed up in the day today politics. it is very good reason our founders and i want to establish a monarch and i'm not a monarchist. i absolutely agree that she shows that there could be somebody who could be identified with the state. who has above politics and that is something we really could use in this moment. >> when we got to another subject susan, the doj in the trump legal team, and who should serve as the special master in the investigation of

classified materials. held by the former president. both sides offering two names each, for the rule. what houthis would you like to see in the special. what would qualities what do you feel the special master should possess? >> although it's likely that anyone who's appointed what the special master would've served as a judge. in and be appointed by a previous president or state. i think it's very important that that person shows they have been independent in the past. they have been nonpartisan in the past. that they are above reproach. and also that they have worked with classified information. and they are aware of the severity of what is happening right now. so it has to be somebody who's had that experience. >> now, dana the judge who issued the order to appoint the special master, also has effectively halted much of the

justice department's work on the case of the classified documents. meanwhile, vice president kamala harris weighs in in a meet the press interview with -- tomorrow. take a listen. >> what do you say to the argument that it would be too divisive for the country to prosecute a former president? >> i think that our country is the country that has gone through different periods of time where the unthinkable has happened. and there's been a call for justice. and justice has been served. >> what is your reaction to the vice president dana? >> and i think that's about as they can go, and the poor form endanger indeed for the vice president for it to be, and one way or the other on the other

prosecution. the white house has not been seen as influencing whatever happens in this prosecution. and now of course trump supporters will believe that, no matter what. and look to the extent that anybody the administration should be weighing, it should be the justice department. and their message right now is a very clear one. the longer this is being delayed by the trump side and the demands for the special prosecutor, not being allowed to continue to the intelligence review, it's endangering our national security. that should be in every american's interest to have that going on right now. >> they, not president biden gave a forceful message out of democratic national committee. and airline merited -- biden's administration accomplishments. escalated his attack on republicans who are loyalists

of donald trump. with less than too much for the midterm elections, biden is calling for unity and putting maga republicans on notice. what do you make of the president strategy to bran trump loyalist as a threat to democracy. and invoking harsh political rhetoric that includes accusations of their embrace, a semi fascism? >> well look reverent, it is an accurate description. i think what the president has to do it needs to do is saying that we are talking about the former president and we are talking about republican leaders in congress. we are talking about election deniers on the ballot. they are not talking about the tens of millions and people out there who may have supported donald trump. a lot of them have been lied, to a lot of them have been manipulated. nobody is calling them semi fascist. what they are saying is that to mix being used, that certain members of congress by the

forgotten -- his allies are tools of fascism. that is a very clear argument and they should focus on that. >> and the fight for reproductive rights. on, thursday the michigan state ruled voters this november. will determine whether to place abortion rights in the michigan constitution. meantime, the south carolina failed to pass a ban on abortions earlier than six weeks into pregnancy. democrats are hoping ballot measures on abortion rights will drive voter turnout. could this, backfire also energizing republicans. who are abortion opponents. >> well, i want to follow up what he said about the type of republicans. those are the extremists. there is also the extremists that have been fighting, especially in the primaries on these abortion laws.

for example, one is pro-life. and it makes an exception. and then the other comes out and says nothing, it has to be no exceptions whatsoever. this is not going to be an issue and republicans in my opinion. and frankly they have what you want. it is very hard to get what they want. i think they can serve the democrats well and i think they'll be using it as a very good tool. and it's a fight about not being pro-choice are pro-life. being an extremist. and going too far and that is a winning -- >> all right thank you susan indiana, coming up a black british perspective on the death of queen elizabeth. stay tuned. stay tuned this is the moment. for a treatment for moderate-to-severe eczema. cibinqo — fda approved. 100% steroid free.

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throne. a rain that saw the british empire, lose almost all of its african and west indian colonies. as those countries became independent. leaving a complex relationship, between the lake queens legacy and the black the asper. joining me now lord simon director of operations of the black, vote former chair of the uk government race disparity unit. advisory, group my thanks to you joining us at this hour. i want to have you on, tonight i wanted to have you on because while the world marks the passing world of queen elizabeth. the anti colonial movements and black countries colonize biden british empire. most of which were successful in getting independent. of, course you have various black communities in england. descended from immigrants from those colonies.

so while the country marred it overall. how would you describe the relationship between black britons and the queen? >> well you know, we are mourning the passing of the queen. 17 years with her reign. as you suggested, their relationship is complicated. the history of the royal family. -- and sort of african people descending like myself. but i think they are comfortable in a big way of the 21st century. there is a long way to go. the uncomfortable truths of the past. i'm not sure the king, king charles with earn. that will begin a journey, i was with them last year in barbados. of where the prime minister said that --

as the queen then out of the state. i am prince charles declared the that was good for our country. any country that decided to do that was fine. and i think what occurred there reverend now was the beginning of the conversation. the colonial vision, the white headed state needs to be decided by the people. not by that of state. i think that journey must continue. >> the racial dynamics in england and they have -- all remember the first meeting you before you were lord really when you and others had me come over in 1991. there is a picture of it, i helped lead a march on the racial killing of adams. who was killed as a black leader, leading a march with this. parents hundreds of people poured in the streets with you and i. and we were met with racial epithets. but since, then i have seen -- go to the house of lords.

i've seen you become a sir. you had me back over and over, again including speaking at oxford twice. and the racial dynamics within the royal family after the marriage of prince harry and duchess megan markle. i had revisited in the last two days since the queen's death. the question of whether the monarchy is adaptable to a change in racial world which is there. and you are, go the royal family reportedly went so far as to consider hiring a diversity star mid for them. hoping marcus accusations of racist treatment from her in laws. can you have a monarchy historically based on, elite white british bloodlines. and still have a modern culturally inclusive country. >> i think you can. but you know the monarchy -- and the first element and that

reset is -- in the past. as i said, the king then prince charles apologized. apologize for the atrocities that happened in the name of the united kingdom. much of that or some of that was in their house with the royal family. my view, is that the royal family has appeared in this country and in many domains. i don't think it's going away anytime soon. so i think that reference to remain, it needs to adapt. and the young royals, they need to go that today for the first time in many months, where we saw meghan markle and harry and william can't walking as a close family. and so -- that is happened, within the family.

the death of the majesty of the, queen a longest reigning monarch in british history. has brought the family together, has brought the nation together, but these uncomfortable conversations about the legacy can be infrastructure. that is built great britain as it is today, still not fully impacted. as you know the reverend -- that came in the university. i obviously thought you would come and visit anytime soon. but in a couple of weeks time, we are laying there a reports on the history of enslavement. it is deeply uncomfortable -- and a modern society, it needs to have but we will be watching and we are glad you graced us lord simon of the university of cambridge in england. and certainly an activist in

his own right. thank you for being with us. >> i hope that you will come and visit, i hope you will come and visit. -- up next year. that we are hoping and we are praying that you will. and you will be warmly welcomed. my the first black head of any college either in oxford or cambridge. the first black male ahead is your friend reverend al. brother lord simon. >> well lord simon walia will definitely be coming. thank you and congratulations. up next, a new documentary explores united states role before during and after one of the greatest humanitarian crises in history. the holocaust, why it matters today in a moment. a moment. high cholesterol. heart disease. 17 fad diets... 5 kids...

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a new part series documentary explores the united states rule before, during and after one of the greatest humanitarian crisis in the history the holocaust. take a look. >> the holocaust was beyond belief. people just disappeared. >> the primary goal is to get to the united states. >> but at the golden door was

not wide open. >> we are challenging americans to think about what we would have done, what we could have done, what we should have done, in our better moments, we are very good people, but that's not all there is to the story. >> the documentary set to premiere on pbs next sunday on september 18th, and i am glad to welcome two of the creators of the series, reward running the maker ken burns and co-director and producer, lynn novick. thank you both for joining me today. mr. burns, let me go to you first. as one of our great historical filmmakers, i feel i must ask you briefly first about the death of queen elizabeth the second. so much of your work focuses on the way missionary personalities shaped the course of history, and the queen was

undoubtedly a larger than life figure to many. what are your quick thoughts about her legacy and the future of the british monarchy? >> i am not a great fan of the monarchy. i am with the americans that separated. i'm working on a big history of the american mare volition and her great great grandfather was george the third, the king that we are able to gain independence from. i had an opportunity to meet her at a state dinner. i think she provides the kind of continuity for great britain that very few of us have. there are people in the celebrity world, people in the arts that sometimes do it in america but nobody stands in except a figure of uncle sam, the way that the queen did. she was a lovely person to meet. again, i think the monarchy is a distraction, and the crimes of the empire, which he did not really preside over, she presided more over its dissolution, still has to be reckoned with. >> let's go to your documentary.

it notes america's role in helping normalize fascism in germany and anti jewish hate do its own racism during the jim crow era. take a listen. [inaudible] >> to uphold a supposed racial superiority of the german people, these laws banned marriage and sexual relations between jews and what they called german or kindred blood. the german jurist who wrote these loss had closely studied statutes in the united states that had four decades reduced african americans do second-class citizens and barred interracial marriage in 30 states. >> mr. burns you have been quoted as, quote, american

institutions and policies like segregation and the brutal treatment of indigenous populations and african americans were influential and hitler's germany. can you elaborate on that point on how american constitutionalism influenced the holocaust? >> let's be absolutely clear reverend sharpton, and we are so happy to be with you again, that the united states in no way besponsa booty for it, but the fact of racism, the fact of the treatment of indigenous peoples and violent antisemitism and his country were also prevalent in germany. hitler a mired the fact that we are able to exterminate or isolate into concentration camps are native population. he was happy that we passed a restrictive immigration law that-limited and placed pernicious quotas on nations except for the northern nordic. he would say aryan issuance.

as you heard, the german jurist studied are jim crow -- the first discriminatory laws against the jews. whenever we were officially in protests, their response to us was mississippi. you say that these people are inferior to you, while we consider the jews and figure to us. how dare you say this? what happens is that the combination of that racism, eugenics and antisemitism, that is prevalent in the great depression, the violent rise of at the darian sentiment, helps to create a situation where americans are unwilling, and i mean all of us, not just the administration, not just the congress, but americans, us. it could also be u.s. and the holocaust, but us and the holocaust are unwilling to let a fraction of the people that we could have and more importantly, should have let

in. we get an f on this great. >> miss novak, the number of anti-and -- antisemitic incidents around the world dramatically increased last year. a study from tel aviv university has found naming the united states, canada, the united kingdom, germany and australia as countries where there was a sharp rise. in america alone, anti-defamation league found over 2700 incidents of antisemitism in 2021. that's a 30% rise from the year before. as co-director, you have said that this documentary is a story with enormous relevance today. please explain. >> yes, thank you for that question. we are seeingvery disturbing rise in antisemitism not just in the u.s. but around the world. there are many reasons for it. i'm not the expert to expand on all of them, but one of the main things we can point to is hate speech and racist

antisemitic ideology that was previously relegated to the far-right and the dark corner of the internet, is now in our mainstream political discourse, public discourse, and we are seeing prominent people say things that ten years ago, that would've been castigated for, and they keep on saying them. antisemitic tropes, racist tropes, anti immigrant, demonize and people who they say are not like us, meaning who they considered to be real americans. we're a tough power, as we are seeing. people here are those things and decide to do something horrible about it. that is a lot of what we saw in hitler's rise. some of that same sentiment was present here in the u.s. during the time of -- >> next thursday, i will be heading through the white house as president of national action network to participate in a summit that the biden administration is hosting called united we stand. i will join other civil rights

leaders of various committee -- communities to press the white house to do more in response to hate motivated attacks like the one we saw earlier this year in buffalo, new york and synagogues and other places. meanwhile, on wednesday, the anti defamation league center released its analysis of more than 38,000 names of leaked oath keepers membership list, of far-right -- far-right extremist group wouldn't known racist antisemitic beliefs. -- it believes currently work in law enforcement agencies, including police chiefs and sheriffs. more than 100 people who are currently members of the military. mr. burns, based on what you learn from america's response to right-wing hate in the past, how do you see this country dealing with these modern-day threats from within? >> the fact is that we have to deal with it. we have to adjust it.

we had to be speaking about it a lot more forcibly. i am not saying that the conditions that created a holocaust per se are happening, but i can borrow from the great a holocaust scholar now ambassador at large at the state department, doctor -- who says in our film, the time to stop a genocide is before it happens. the time to save a democracy, reverend al, is before it's lost. >> miss lynn novick, one of the surprising things that people learn from this documentary is the american jews were divided about how to respond to what was happening in nazi germany. some were concerned that advocating to forcibly for german jews could lead to a backlash here in the u.s.. talk a little bit more about that. >> that was very surprising to us to understand that antisemitism was so strong and a u.s. that the jewish community was divided. there was big arguments about whether they should speak out. they were afraid of aggravating

antisemitism here. there were all kinds of conspiracy theories that president roosevelt was a puppet of a jewish conspiracy, which is obviously not true, and that the germans would retaliate against jews in germany if the jewish community here was seen as instigating our government to protest what they were doing over there. american jews found themselves in a difficult situation. overtime, as the news came out more and more of the atrocities, the mass killings and hitler's horrendous evil plan in action, i think the jewish community became more unified. we had to stand up to this. >> we are out of time, but let me ask you miss lynn novick, what is the message you hope people will come out -- coming away with after watching this series? >> i think as ken was saying, just recognizing the dangers to our own democracy right now, the politics we have been talking about. this film is revealing a sobering look at events in the past that are so relevant today.

you know, being able to take a tough look at our own past and ask hard questions of ourselves, why did we not do more, in the hope that we can learn from the past? in the hopes of doing better next time. >> all right ken burns and lynn novick, thank you both for being with us. for my final thoughts tonight, i agree with attorney sunny -- who says you should mourn the queen and should, but also that does not mean you embrace all of the history of the british empire, the colonialism and the developing situations around racial disparities in the united kingdom and throughout other areas where the queen and the royal family still held a symbolic lead. we have seen progress, but we've not seen a go on where it should go. as simon will be sent, lord simon will be set from england

on the show, we have a long way to go, but we have come a long way from the day 31 years ago. i helped to lead that march in england, where you would have thought we were in one of the same kind of hostile situations in the united states. that's why as we gather this week with a hate crime summit at the white house, with the leaders of the jewish, asian, that do you know and lgbtq, indigenous communities, meeting and talking about dealing with the rise of hate crime, we must not just talk about it as commentary. we must talk about it as commitment to come across all lines. we do not have to agree with each other's political views or even each other's past, but we are at a place now that you cannot protect blacks in buffalo being mowed down at a supermarket or jews being mowed down in pittsburgh or san diego

in synagogues or gays or latinos or indigenous people, or asians. we cannot sit silently by without joining each other to say, hate must stop. if we have differences, debate them, ville about them, but we must criminalize and enforce the criminalization of those that would take violence against people, not because of who they are but because of what they are. even then, we must treat the crime as what it is, a crime. hate is a criminal act when it is used as a tool for violence. that does it for me. thank you for watching. we'll have a new politicsnation tomorrow with special coverage of 9/11 anniversary events. i will see back here next week in at 5 pm eastern. american voices would alicia menendez starts right now. on msnbc. starts right now.

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