territories across the uk will make their own proclamations to the new king. we have course will cover each and every moment live, right, here on msnbc. that is all the time i have for today. i'm alicia melendez. i will see you back here tomorrow, 6 pm eastern, for more american voices. but for now, i handed over to my friend katie fang who is spending staying up way past her bedtime. he. katie i know,d,

about this cleans that -- whatever you've been seeing and feeling about the crowds in london? >> it's hard to convey that. when i walk around here, people are singing and dancing in a pub.

i don't care about the roe family. you hear them talking about their devotion to the queen and how upset they are about the debt. you can see both sides, if there is an america view that people here are crying into their earl grey tea in the morning, crying in their pipes in the pub, that's not a british characteristic after all, but there's not that much outward disdain for the monarch. this whole thing has been somber animated but has represented a major shift in day-to-day life. people here, they have a will affection for the queen, but they will not come out and show it and saw publicly. they had that long affection and it shows that her longevity in office, her ability to relax the monarch and the television cameras in, that has a major

effect. this monarchy has done its best efforts to itself by distancing itself from politics, but not speaking up, but not making itself the center of attention and by doing that, it's actually elevated itself to the center of attention. we don't talk about real families in japan or thailand or denmark sweden or spin nearly as much as we do about the one here. that just represents that magic that this monarchy has. i don't understand it necessarily. i think a lot of fans do. it's something that's an indelible, impossible to understand element of the family. it's a magical element. >> nbc news foreign correspondent, matt bradley, i appreciate you staying up late to bring us the latest from london. thank you. >> let's now bring in suzannah lipcomb, a royal historian and

a msnbc royal contributor. thank you for joining us as well. the country is now entering ten days of warning, but it's like the question i asked matt, in this modern age, this still seem like a personal loss for some brits? >> i think it definitely does. i think for most of us we've never known any other monarch, and she as been there our whole lives. for many people, there is a sense that her death represents the death of all our grandmothers or mothers, the mother of a nation. i do think that -- there are those that are moving on and less confidence in, but the crowds are big. people are turning out in large numbers to lay flowers, and my sense of the mood is that the reason people are not weeping as there they did -- the death of diana, because this is not a tragedy. she died after a long life well lived, a piece, surrounded by her family and one of the most beautiful places in the world that she loved so much. we all hope to have a death

like that, and yet, there is a sense of commemoration for her in this moment and the light that we had this wonderful monarch. i also feel, actually, that there is a great sense of warmth towards the new king, that people grieve with him and have a sense that he has lost his mother. at the moment, it feels like the country is with him. his first address to the nation was so well judged. it was so carefully composed and sullivan, and i feel the people at the moment are very much with him in this moment.

>> suzannah, do you think then that seeing how you are explaining that the people are also having him grieve, it is his mom, he lost his mother, he lost his father about a year ago. do you think they are also viewing him in the lens of anticipating what kind of monarchy it is going to be for the country? >> i think that we are seeing clues to that. i think that in his address, we had a man who was clearly thoughtful and tortured, quoted sage beer at the end of it, but also someone emotional. one thing we have not seen from the royal family over the decades is that lack of reserve. the king is known to be a man that feels things deeply and has cared deeply over the years about issues such as climate change and sustainable agriculture and has got in trouble for speaking up about these things, but it's because he cared so much. now, i think there is a sense that having a monarch rutgers actually might be a good thing, and that we actually want somebody in this room who is really moved by these issues. of course, the queen was exactly that person, they're caring person.

to see that legacy. he said that she was an inspiring example and in the years -- he will endeavor to live up to the example and show the same service and dedication. at the moment, i feel that we are trusting them that we may have here a king who does a very good job, who wears that mental of kinship roy. >> suzannah, the queen reigned over seven decades, in the age of radio, tv and later social media. do you anticipate king charles that there to be able to navigate the royal family and how it's viewed, having such an accessible public image now versus when the queen took over for her reign? >> that's a really good question because media is everything. every action is scrutinize quickly across the world. i think it helps that he knows who he is. he is a man in his 70s.

he has been happily married for 17 years. there isn't a great deal of trauma and his personal life at the moment. obviously, there has been in the past. to be scrutinized -- i think it will be harder for the younger generations, perhaps it will be okay for prince william's, the new principles. prince george, of course, is now just second in line to the throne and to go up in light of that scrutiny in the modern age is gonna be much harder. i think for the king, i think there is a sense that for the time being, the mood is with him, and that is across most of the media. there will always be pockets of people that feel differently, but in this country, on balance,

people are recognizing that he could be a king. >> suzannah lipcomb, i appreciate you and your analysis. thank you for being here this evening. coming up, information on the nuclear capabilities of a foreign nation. that's what the fbi found during their search of trump's home last month. congressman david cicilline joins me after albert. for people living with h-i-v, keep being you. and ask your doctor about biktarvy. biktarvy is a complete, one-pill, once-a-day treatment used for h-i-v in certain adults. it's not a cure, but with one small pill, biktarvy fights h-i-v to help you get to

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that's not justice department lawyers are describing a federal decision to allow a special master to review evidence seized from donald trump's home last month. this week, the doj filed a motion to appeal judge aileen cannon's ruling, arguing that even a temporary halt to the criminal investigation into trump's mishandling of classified materials could cause, quote, irreparable harm to our national security and intelligence interests. this comes as a series of inflammatory headlines send trump world into a deeper tailspin, including new reporting from the washington post that materials detailing a foreign nation's nuclear capabilities were recovered at mar-a-lago during the fbi search. whether that country was a geopolitical ally or adversary, remains unknown. joining me now is democratic congressman, david cicilline of rhode island.

he is a member of the house judiciary committee and the author of house on fire, fighting for democracy in the age of political arson. congressman, thank you for joining us this evening. you also served on the house foreign affairs committee, which is responsible for national security developments affecting foreign policy, among other things. how gravely should really be assessing this reported that donald trump had documents detailing another country's nuclear capabilities in his beach front golf club, of all places? >> this revolution is very alarming. we know that the mar-a-lago residence had more than 300 documents that were classified or not classified at his resort or home at mar-a-lago. 100 of those seized in the execution of the search warrant, most recently. now we are learning that some of the information of these classified documents with some of the most sensitive and secret of the national security secrets.

in fact of some of the classifications so great that only the president and his certain ember of people can view them. i think we saw today from secretary clinton, documents like that need to arrive to her in a single briefcase attached to someone's arm, so that it was secure. these are very highly sensitive with potential consequences for our national security. they are very grave, and if not secured property, taking them away from the white house improperly and not turned over when they were demanded to be turned over. this is deadly serious. >> congressman, i want to apologize. i'm having problems hearing you, but apparently, you're able to hear me. i will keep on going because i value your time and the opportunity to have you here. i will pivot a bit now congressman. the department of

justice moved to appeal judge cannons rule on the necessity of a special master on the case. but the doj and trump attorneys posed special candidates disservice petal master yesterday. i would like to get your thoughts on what i think arsenal tactics frankly, by donald trump, claiming a need for a special master and the nominees that been put forth by the job? >> yeah, look, i think we looked at this and said a special master is not necessary. there is no basis for it, and is clearly an effort by donald trump to delay this ongoing very serious criminal investigation. the department of justice wanted to appoint a special master at the very least, do not apply that to the hundreds of documents that we already identified as highly classified and allow them to look at the -- continue its ongoing criminal investigation and risk assessment of the national intelligence agency. hopefully the judge will allow that. --

this is an effort to distract and delay, avoid accountability. the department of justice is not going to allow that to happen. there is confidence that the department of justice will pop hard to continue its work, to demonstrate no one is above the law. and if someone steals classified documents from the white house, does not secure them properly and refuses to return them, they must be held accountable, especially when it endangers the national security. no one does this especially if it's a former president of the u.s.. >> congressman, donald trump doesn't operate in a back room. he is an a+. you served as one of the impeachment managers for trump second impeachment trial, where 43 republican senators voted in support of his acquittal. passport 18 months later, gop gop senators expressing support for him in the mar-a-lago issue, someone like mauro -- marco rubio to call it, quote, just a storage issue. your latest book -- sounds the alarm on the

republican colleagues ability to continue to make excuses for somebody like donald trump. and your opinion, is there a tipping point for republicans that is ever going to be enough to change their blind loyalty to him? >> we certainly have not seen any evidence of the. -- and to make the case that democracy is on the ballot for the bitter militants. we have one political party fighting hard to protect democracy, protect the rule of law, it can sure nobody is above the rule of law in the country. we have another party, the republicans, who are actively undermining republican -- democracy, minimizing this very serious taking of classified documents of the white house and, frankly, endangering the national security of the u.s., and men and women who served our intelligence community and a law communities that did the investigation. it claims that they should

defund the fbi and mocking the serious work of the doj. this is very dangerous. whether republican, democrat or independent, we all should protect the rule of law, the truth, the fact that nobody is above the law. hold everyone accountable that is engaged in this conduct even before the president of the united states. >> congressman david cicilline, again, i appreciate you taking the time to join us this evening. >> my pleasure. >> coming up next -- thanks, congressman. coming up next, steve bannon facing new fraud charges but this time from the state of new york. allergies don't have to be scary. spraying flonase daily stops your body from overreacting to allergens all season long. psst! psst! flonase all good. my most important kitchen tool? my brain. so i choose neuriva plus. unlike some others, neuriva plus is a multitasker supporting 6 key indicators of brain health. to help keep me sharp.

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what is next for steve bannon in this process, and how quickly do you think we could see him go to trial if he does not take some kind of plea beforehand? >> i think he is probably looking at a rocket docket here. i think they want to get the trial quickly here because of the amount of attention involved. school is really a play here is that he has to be nervous in a way that members of his team have not been nervous about this far. i don't think members of his organization really fear for federal prosecutors, because they have gotten by so many times. it has become a story of icarus and daedelus, they're in danger of flying too close to the sun. here, he looks at the potential for. here's something else you have to think about. if, heaven forbid, you grow up with their mom and take a piece of candy from the russia story, you're in trouble for protecting the candy but you also to get the candy back. all this money data and used for different purposes, they potentially had to pay that money back. if they admit they can't, that -- >> harry, the manhattan da also said bannon could face 5 to 15 years in prison if convicted. how does the fact that former president trump already pardon

bannon on this federal charges for the same conduct and same kind of nucleus operative effects. how does that affect this particular state case, or maybe it does not? >> not in the least. it seems a little strange to some, but in fact, there is not a double jeopardy problem because it is a different sovereign. that's the idea. it might as well be a different country. new york used to have a statutory double jeopardy provision, but they changed that, in part, anticipating all the trump crimes that they were already investigating. it does not help him in the least, he has no double jeopardy argument. nevertheless, brad charged separate facts. the feds charged him with pocketing money, which apparently he did. new york has charged him basically with funneling money

to brian colfax-- one of the heads of the postal children of the whole effort. i think you can expect to see him as star witness at trial. he pleaded guilty before, that means he has to cooperate, and wonder very person you funneled money to is sitting in town of a jury and saying, yeah, he funneled money to me, good luck with that. >> david, harry mentions that issue, right? you have other people that were coconspirators in this whole scam. two, brian kolfage and andrew badolato, they already pleaded guilty to do -- that was in the federal indictment. they have yet to be sentenced. obviously, they want to get reduction on their possible person exposure here. do you reasonably anticipate, david, do you expect to hear from his coconspirators in terms of testifying against the bannon? >> 100%. i say that is the likelihood of north of 1%. think about it, we are all in on it, we all did it, and for some reason, only you've got

pardoned, that tends to add salt to the wound. what you have to remember is once you start looking at going to trial, it's about building a narrative, so yes, these people will come forward, they will testify against him, and in a sense, if you think about it, you almost win this case, even if you lose it, not only did he have protections on the federal system in terms of receiving a pardon, but the cameras allowed -- judge allowed cameras into the state proceedings and it is their ability to shape the narrative. it's going to expose cracks in the organization that we all know are there, but have not seen exposed quite the way that the shot was going to. >> david, to your point, people that were fleeced were maga republicans. they are the ones that were fleeced in this particular instance. it will be interesting to see how they deal with the fact that there is somebody saying that is exactly what's the bannon was doing to them. harry, i want to switch gears to the legal trouble that trump himself is facing, as we have been talking about a lot. the doj has appealed a federal

judge's ruling to allow a special master to review evidence seized at mar-a-lago next month. what do you make about that move from the justice department. i thought it was particularly elegant to do that motion for partial stay of relief. >> well put, on the one hand, they basically told her, you are endangering the national security, but they did it delicately and gave her a surgical out, it's those classified documents. the big news i think trump's response and a jerk responses today about a special master. he said would no argument, i still want executive privilege, so she's going to have to reverse field. she cannot just depend on the parties to acquiesce. the question is, will she take the way out the department has set.

look, we will appeal on thursday feed onto this, so she is looking at the kind of threat of a very strong deal because the whole basis of her opinion with executive privilege, the thing they're aiming at, is pretty much lawless. >> harry lippman, david henderson, we could probably sit here and hang up for another few hours talking about this more. david henderson, i will see you again in the next hour. harry, thanks for being with me as always. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> after the break, our queen elizabeth coverage continues. coming up next hour, the president of the planned parenthood action fund, alexis mcgill johnson, joins us. we will discuss that big boost and democratic voter registrations that we are seeing after roe was overturned. th his cholesterol. taken with a statin, leqvio can lower bad cholesterol and keep it low with two doses a year. side effects were injection site reaction, joint pain, urinary tract infection, diarrhea, chest cold, pain in legs or arms, and shortness of breath. with leqvio, lowering cholesterol becomes just one more thing life throws your way.

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turned 21 years old in 1947, this is what she told the nation. >> i declare before you all that my whole life, whether it be long or short, shall be devoted to your service. >> she took the throne just five years later. during her 70 year reign, queen elizabeth ii was often the one constant in an increasingly inconstant world. she provided to the last years of the british empire, live through the suez crisis, the cold war, the falkland's war, the beginning of the internet, the fall of the world trade center, brexit, covid and more than a dozen prime ministers. even when her husband prince

philip died during the pandemic, she continued to set an example for her people. she adhered to government guidelines by sitting apart from everyone at his funeral, with his trademark stoicism. right up to the moment she died, queen elizabeth continued to demonstrate that she felt her job was bigger than her, the person. joining me now, autumn brewington, washington post opinions editor and the author of post elizabeth, a newsletter at change at the palace. and carly ledbetter, senior reporter for the huffpost, where she covers the royals. thank you both for being here. autumn, i would like to start with you. you write that the british monarchy frankly should have ceased to exist a long time ago, but was able to survive this long simply because of the queen. can you explain what you meant by that? >> in recent years, in particular, we have seen a lot of movement towards conversations about equality

and, sort of, questions adjusting historical racism, colonialism, we see members of the commonwealth decide to declare independence. the british monarchy is an ancient system that is based on heredity. it is a matter of when and to whom you're born, not what you accomplish for yourself. in a 21st century world, it's reasonable that people might say, is that something that we need today? >> carly, in your opinion, what do you think was the biggest impact that queen had on the united kingdom? >> i think people always site her 70 years of stability, and so few missteps within that seven decades. just her presence and commitment to duty and service above all. she was released, like i said, sources of stability that so many look to as a constant. as the famous line goes, she is

the only clean that most of us have ever known. >> autumn, the queen oversaw so many historic and tragic events during her reign. in your opinion, what kind of example did she set during those incredibly difficult moments? >> i think she made it more possible for people to keep carrying on. she served in world war ii, she saved ration coupons for her wedding dress, she was always present. even though she lived in a palace, she was not a particularly ostentatious person herself. when we saw her off-duty, she was wearing a head scarf. she loved her dogs. she, in many ways, although she carried herself as a queen, she presented as a country woman at heart. >> carly, do you think that the people at large have an appreciation of the reality though that the royal family really has not been the machine behind the politics of what has been going on in the united

kingdom and more kind of a figurehead or an idea of times that have gone by? you think people have an appreciation for the real distinction between where the power really sits in a country? >> i think there definitely is a distinction that people know that the queen and her soft power really have come with a lot of constraints. i think what we will look to with king charles going forward, i mean, king charles has written letters to politicians. he has intervened on issues that he finds so important, and that's one of the biggest concerns people have going forward, is will king charles continue to champion some of the causes that he has in a past. will he intervene and government affairs? that remains to be seen. >> autumn, in the last question

i would like to toss to you right now, kind of what we talked about with carli, this idea that the power does not sit with the raw family. do you still think someone like king charles iii will be able to affect social norms, affect policy and try to actually make progress within the united kingdom? >> i think he has told us so far that he does not intend to lead as king the way he was living his life as prince of wales, so his remarks yesterday in his first address to the nation resource of signaling that he knew things would have to be different, so telling people indirectly he would probably not be engaging with government and political issues the way he had as a prince. that said,, the monarchy is about leading and about royals convening people. so, i think he will be looking to effect change and show people a way forward on issues that matter to him.

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representative, malcolm kenyatta, and my good friend malcolm, it is good to see you. what is a reaction to this texas judge's ruling on hiv preventative drugs? >> always good to be with you. my reaction is one the turned stomach. as somebody for whom my christian faith is core to who i am, i was ordained as a minister at my pentecost church at age 14. i almost went to seminary. my faith is a guide and a cornerstone of my entire life and that is true for so many people. and to see our faiths be bastardized over and over again to justify clear cruelty is incredibly frustrating to me as a person of faith. jesus literally spent his life going around healing people who had chronic diseases. and now you have people who

claim that they are followers of jesus, who want to strip away lifesaving treatments and also preventative treatments like prep and like hiv medicines which we know has helped so many people live a healthy lifestyle. so it's infuriating. my hope is that this is obviously not upheld. but this is a part of what we are seeing out of this christian nationalist movement that flies in the face of everything i learned growing up in church, and also flies in the face of who we are to be as americans. >> malcolm, obviously the intent behind this lawsuit was motivated by hate. and hatred towards a specific group of people. so, to combat that, let's talk about agendapac. what impact do you want this group to have in this upcoming november midterm election, 2024 elections, and all of the election cycles that are to

come? >> we are doing everything we can to eat the beatablel bigots all across this country. i will tell you, and say this over and over again. the religious freedom, or they're trying to open the zeitgeist around american freedom. among what these bigots consistently do is expose themselves. they don't give to farts about freedom. okay? they are about imposing their views on to other people and agendapac is gonna make sure that we stop these people from being in office. we are going to be doing the type of aggressive messaging and campaigning, telling people the truth, and being a part of this conversation. i think it's critical for us to not allow the bigots to be the only voice and conversations about our basic freedoms and rights.

we are going to be rolling out our first ad against doug mastriano just early next week. so if people want to be first in line to see this ad, i think it's pretty good, they should just go to agendapac dot org, get involved as we've seen so many people across the country decide to do as well. and we are going to continue to take on the people who have no business being in office. we have to make sure that no matter who you are, who we worship, you get a fair shot, and a fair shake, and we are not gonna sit by idly by when people rip away the freedom to choose, the freedom to, love and the freedom to -- be a full participant in the promise of this country. >> let's talk about those freedoms, malcolm, and you and i have had conversations before about what happened during the dobbs decision, and the impact it had. now we have this ruling in texas dealing with the prep

medications. justice clarence thomas in his concurrence in dobbs says he wanted the court to revisit same-sex marriage, the right to contraception. he identified cases that clearly were highlighting that scotus, for example might be gunning for those freedoms. what is the work your group will be doing to help combat that? >> a part of what we are going to be doing this to make sure that there is a political price to pay for peddling these types of hateful messages, pushing these types of policies that we know have a devastating impact on families. i think a part of what happens when you expose what these ideas look like in practice, you see a lot of americans say no, i don't want any parts of that. you look at what happened since dobbs was overturned, and even more americans are saying they want to see abortion be legal in all instances because we are seeing the real impact of it.

we are seeing kids who were raped having to cross state borders because they can't get an abortion in their state. we are seeing women who might have a miscarriage who are now at risk of being investigated by the police doctors who are having to consult a lawyer before they perform a medical procedure. the same is true around these bigoted policies against the lgbtq community. in texas, where that governor said that they were going to send child protective services after parents who just support their kids as who they are, child protective services said in a lawsuit that they are at a breaking point. they're not able to actually investigate real child abuse because they are going after affirming parents. agendapac is gonna show on tv, on digital, through texas, through billboard's, show people what that looks like we what that looks like in

practice because i'm not sure americans want to go back to a place where who you love is decided by someone else. the majority of american people don't want to have fewer rights in the next 50 years than they had in the previous 50 years. agendapac is going to show these bigots for the hateful monsters that they are, and we believe the american people are going to rally with us to beat them. as i said, people, every single day, kate, have been blown away by how many people have been going to agenda packed dot org. and we're excited for people to see this firsthand in a couple of days. >> exposing the beatable bigots. there is that saying, right. sunlight is the best disinfectant, right? pennsylvania state representative malcolm kenyatta, thank you for being here. i appreciate it. >> thank you my dear friend. the hidden melodies of trains. the sacred spell of words.

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