to pull to have -- a great sovereign lady queen elizabeth the second, a blessing to the glorious memory, by those deceased, the crown of the united kingdom of great britain and northern ireland, is solely and rightfully come to the prince charles phillip arthur george. we there for, the large spiritual and temporal -- >> thank you for watching msnbc reports, i'm lindsay reiser.

ali velshi and katie turner continue to pick up our special coverage right now. >> rounds and territories of the -- citizens >> morning it is ali velshi here at msnbc. joining me from london's -- you are watching the proclamation of king charles the their, or in, edinburgh scotland. this is one of four proclamations we will be watching this morning. there is one and, card of whales. there is one in belfast, northern ireland. , three actually. let's just listen to this for a moment. >> northern ireland now has all around us and territories, king, head of the commonwealth, defender of the faith. to whom we do acknowledge all face in obedience with humble affection. but featuring god by whom kings and queens to rain, to bless his majesty with long and happy

years to rain over us. given that st. james's palace, it's tentatives up timber in the year of our lord 2022. >> proclamation got! britain! hut! >> god save the king. >> god save the king! >> [inaudible] [noise] >> check fire! [noise] [inaudible] [noise] [inaudible]

[noise] [inaudible] [noise] ♪ ♪ ♪ >> we are watching an, edinburgh scotland,. now we're moving between and, burrow scotland, a belfast, northern ireland, and cardiff, wales. where they are simultaneously proclaiming charles either the new king of england. ♪ ♪ ♪

[inaudible] >> three cheers for his majesty the king! >> [noise] >> picked it! >> hurray! >> picked it! >> hurray! >> pip! >> hurray! >> at rest! >> all, right what we've been watching is the proclamation of

king charles and, belfast northern. violent what you are looking at right now sandra, scotland. and in cardiff, wales. there are similar proclamations going on around naval ships around the world. as part of the royal navy. but this is the proclamation. joining me now to the next three hours, my colleague and friend katie turner western katie turner reports. she is in london for. us have i got, you katie, because we are still looking at images of the proclamation coming to an end. >> oh, you do have. may i just want to tell you that gentlemen was with the father had he was reading out the proclamation. that is a large lion king of arms. and he read it to the people of scotland. it was followed, as we heard, by a 21 gun salute from a neighbor castle. this possession right here is going to make its way to edinburgh castle where again we will find the line reading it a second proclamation. a bit later today we will hear the proclamation in english and in wells and cardiff. and i mention that because king charles famously learned wells

when he was named the prince of wales. we are also watching, ali, as we have seen throughout the morning, a cough and make its way from balmoral castle to edinburgh. it is a six hour drive. because they're driving quite slowly, as the roads are lined with people wishing to say their last goodbyes to queen elizabeth. yesterday was a day of much ceremony here in the united kingdom. especially here in london. today, while there is some ceremony as we are seeing in scotland, it is certainly one of the saturdays. the more mournful, days as we see this coffin for the first time draped in the royal standard. and you can see some crowds right there lining the roads. we do expect to see much more as the day goes on. , again they expect this journey from balmoral to edinburgh to take six hours.

just so they can go slowly, so people can say goodbye. >> just -- before in the process, here katie, which you are stooped in at the moment. king charles succeeded to dethrone upon the death of his mother immediately. and there was something called the accession, the accession yesterday, which is a formal process that took place in london. , this what you are watching today and again at 7:30 in edinburgh castle, this is the essential that we are looking at. this happened yesterday morning with 25 hours ago. now there is the proclamation which we have been watching this morning in cardiff. a little bit later in edinburgh. and in belfast. none of this is the coronation of the case. we have no idea when that will be. that is a very large events that could take months to plan. is that correct? >> we expect the coordination is not going to be held until next year, the spring of the summer after a long period of mourning has passed for queen elizabeth. , again it takes quite a bit of

planning as well. you are right about what we have been seeing. that was the accession counsel yesterday. that was when he was formally named king charles the third. but as you rightly mentioned he became king the minute his mother closed her eyes for the last time. the queen is, dead along with the king. it is immediate. there was no gap whatsoever. it is why the standard the flag never sits at half staff. because there is always a monarch. there is always somebody sitting on the throne. what we saw yesterday was the beginning of the formal process of naming him king charles the third. you saw the proclamations here in london yesterday at the city of london. you can see the proclamations and now the rest of the united kingdom against scotland this morning as we have been watching. it will go to wales and northern ireland and belfast. and these are important moments because this country is in kind of a moment, to put it mildly. there are talks about another

scottish referendum. there was one a few years ago, which did not pass. there are questions about whether now it is king charles rather than a queen elizabeth. whether that referendum might succeed. there is also talk about it in australia and even some rumblings in your bum country, ali, of canada. it is a changing moment for this country. cruella has been in rain for so long and change under such loyalty and respect for the people at the united kingdom. many people in the commonwealth, many leaders in the commonwealth, that there are questions of whether king charles is going to be able to do the same. some of that surrounds just gender issues. which we are going to talk about a little bit later. what queen elizabeth was able to do as a woman, how much respect she gained as a woman. how she was seen as a ruler as a woman for the united kingdom in the commonwealth. as we've been talking about

very frankly was a pretty bloody and ugly history at times. so will it be something that king charles is able to maintain, will he go further than cheated in moments to apologize and to make good on some of the horrors of the past? we heard, him when he was in barbados last year, i will, or -- ali, as he stepped away from the -- cars the -- hearing alleged slavery. >> he's far more political than his mother ever tried to be. we're continuing to watch images. the snow, belfast northern. island which we will talk about 9:30 eastern this. morning northern ireland is in fact yet another existing vestige of british colonialism. there are a lot of people in northern ireland who have been trying for 50 plus years to throw off the yoke of colonialism.

a lot of people who are called unionists who want the monarchy to be in control. we want the british government to be in control of northern ireland. but there are concerns now of the new uk prime minister liz truss, what we do snow is the troubles, the tension, with me protestant and catholics northern island could bubble up again. we want have that conversation. , katie standby for me as we continue to watch these things. when we go a ditzy cart of winds by the way. which katie was talking about. the, king king charles iii, was the prince of wales. and he did famously learn the wealth language. it is not an easy language to learn. in order to do justice to his role as the prince of wales. there are ceremonies this morning including gun salutes in cardiff, in wales, in belfast. but you are looking at right now. in, edinburgh scotland. as we have seen. and interspersed with all of those we will show you not just

this procession, this is in edinburgh, but we will show you the queen body that is being move very very slowly, as katie says over the course of six hours, through the course of the morning. katie, standby. we're gonna see on the stories and anything develops will come right back to katie and i love pictures that we are watching on the proclamation of king charles the third. again, this is the third step. there was the succession when queen elizabeth ii. that the accession which happened yesterday morning, illegal procedure. this is the proclamation, in various parts of the land. and there will be the coronation, probably expected in 2023. it is september the 11th 2022. 21 years to the day since a group of terrorists hijacked and subsequently crashed planes into the world trade center here in new york city. into the pentagon in washington, d.c., and into a field in jacksonville pennsylvania. those terror succeeding killing nearly 3000 americans.

and fomenting fear and forever changing the course of history. but they failed spectacularly to kill american democracy. across the country it is a day of somber remembrance including speeches, moments of silence, the readings of the names of those whose lives were lost that day. it is a day to truly think about and remember what it means to be american. it is a day of somber membranous across the atlantic as well, as we've been discussing through the late queen elizabeth ii. the 98-year-old queen bore witness to so much history and global change during her more than 70 years on the throne. from the rebuilding of the global world order following world war ii through the cold war, and the fall of the berlin wall in communist rush into the new millennium and the 9/11 attacks, and the subsequent war in afghanistan. the fight against backsliding democracy here in the united states and elsewhere. just to name a few of the many changes she has witnessed. let's think back to the 0.21 years ago today. americans were worried about

non state actors, groups like al-qaeda threatening freedom both here in the united states and across the world. now, in 2022, americans continue to fear for our freedom and democracy. here and across the world. but for entirely different reasons. instead of religious extremists hiding in mountain afghanistan and pakistan and elsewhere, today the threat comes from within, from political radicals and extremists here at home, encouraged and inflamed by americas role in anti-democratic for russia. 9/11 was 21 years ago today. the russian invasion of ukraine was 201 days ago. and much of the world viewed russia as a superpower. one that would easily overrun a much smaller ukraine, further spreading its anti democratic agenda. that view is drastically changing. so, by the, way is the course of this war. as i speak to you this morning ukraine is in the midst of conducting its biggest and most successful counteroffensive since forcing a russian retreat

from around kyiv in the early months of the war. in just the past few days that counteroffensive appears to have changed the course of the war and resulted in dozens of towns in more than 1000 square miles of territory reclaimed in eastern ukraine. including ukrainian territory in the hands. which means the donbas, one of russia stays objectives in this, war is no longer fully under russian control. think about that for a moment! the ukrainian military is pushing the russian military back. and i should know that this is a fast and fluid situation with upper area pointedly continuously and quickly changing. by this time next week there's a good chance that this not the or looking at will look drastically tougher than it does right now. and to make matters worse for the kremlin's forces are apparently so deeply of the russia has been forced to buy ammunition from, help you're sitting down for this one, north korea. that is according to u.s. intelligence. on the other, hand u.s. just

announced another multi billion dollar package for ukraine. new reporting in this morning the air times reveals that is not just financially that the u.s. is sending to ukraine. but increasingly intelligence sharing as well, which is playing a pivotal role in the ongoing counteroffensive. one thing is becoming increasingly clear in ukraine and is something that quickly became clear in america after 9/11, democracy will win. liberty will prevail. there, as it will here. ther 21 years ago an external attack brought out the best in american spirit, the fight for freedom, and that freedom is now seen in ukraine. freedoms can be taken, away they can vanish in a flash just like they have in the past few years in america. the spirit to defend them is something we must remember in the face of the eternal threat that is now facing our democracy here at home. joining me now is -- he's a tethering columnist for bloomberg. opinion formerly the other

chief of the hindu style times. i really think about having the suppression with, you bobby, because he was so much of an expert of what happened during 9/11 and the increasing terrorism around the world. you spent time in london where we are watching a changing of the guard liberally in the british monarchy. and you've covered the story in america where we are facing what some believed to be an existential threat to democracy. september 11th 2022 is turning out to be a very important day wherever you are in the world. >> it is a, day as you said, the change the course of history. small band of extremists from very far away using a web tools, our planes and our buildings, to wreak terror across our country and across the world. the accident 20 years fighting back against them in the 20-year period. while that fight was essential we also took our eyes off some

of the rules that were out there. we took our eyes off russia. off -- to some degree, we took our eyes off what was happening in our own country. the rise of extremism in our midst. it is time, now, to focus on all of these things. this is something that began before 9/11 and then accelerated after that. there's a sense in washington that we can't walk and shoot gone at the same time. a focus on this problem that we will get to that. well i'm sorry, that's simply not the case. we do not have the luxury to focus on only one government at the time. and it, to america as a superpower. super powers are meant to be able to walk and chew gum at the same time. and whistle a tune while doing it. and that is why there needs to be a reassessment of america's ability. there need the feel to be the resumption of american self

confidence. the biggest hold, up there, is that there is a big division within america, of america's place. if we focus on one problem more than others that is the one, i think, then he's the closest attention. even while we tackle -- >> he's that division simply in a pandemic to america leading the world in this quest for the preservation of democracy and freedom? orthodox essential to us, because for people in 9/11 worrying that america's freedom itself was under attack, many have argued it was not really. it was tears attack was bad in need to be fought off, but it was not existential to america's freedom. we, bobby, might be facing in a very different way than the ukrainians are, actual existential threat to freedoms. we've seen actual freedom zeroed in america and we have seen internal actors, some of

whom are in government and some of whom are running to be in government, challenge our actual democracy and freedoms in america. >> well, yes. it is interesting to draw the parallels with ukraine. ukraine came to this place a few years ago when there was a division within ukraine about the course of the country. where that should be more in the russian camp, whether to be more in the western european camp. and this life to violence within ukraine. within democrats within ukraine, very strong disagreements encouraged by russia. this war has pushed all of that out of the window. ukrainians have united win faced with -- but the question is what sort of crisis will it take for us tonight in this country? we came to one huge crisis just a couple of years ago with covid. that did not unite us. we face all kinds of a slow rolling and accelerating crises like climate change. that does not seem to be uniting us. that was not help us there is no prospect of war.

and let's hope that remains the case. the question is, what will it take to unite us in the way that ukrainians have become united? and that is a big question for our leaders across the board, across the aisle, to figure out amongst themselves. surely in the middle of all of this partisan back and forth, surely from both sides, there are people who understand what you described as an existential challenge. we thought in extra crisis certainly in existential challenge to our idea of the united states. and that is our hope. i hope that at some point hopefully before things become completely uncontrollable, that leaders on both sides will recognize this and -- when that time comes i can't see it here. >> bobby, thank you for your analysis as always it is helpful. he is an editor and columnist for bloomberg opinion. tossing it back over to katie tour in london, she is outside

buckingham palace. a very active day once again on that side of -- >> we are in the middle of a very busy morning paying tribute to the, queen. ali at this mormons the queens, coffin casket, rather it was carried out from the ballroom in balmoral castle, covered by the royal standard, as we said. it also flowers, many of them from the estate of bell morrow. itself. it is currently now on route to her official residence, leaving her official residence. two or official residence in edinburgh, scotland, excuse me. that trump is expected to total of six hours. either in the throne room until monday. while the queens procession makes its way this morning. can charles has ceremoniously been proclaimed king in territories across the united kingdom. in northern ireland, scotland and wales, as we just heard. in just a few minutes we do expect to see one final

proclamation of charges as new title. asking as the drawbridge of edinburgh castle. and while great britain may no longer have a female monarch, this is a chapter in british history that does not only being impact on queen elizabeth on women all over the world. in fact queen elizabeth joins a long list of powerful women who change the course of history with their leadership and their accomplishments. and she will not be forgotten. joining us discuss this is doctor erin turn off, a perception of history professor of history at boston university. she's the other many books including that in the making of modern artist from-ism. also -- royal historian msnbc royal contributor. ladies, it is really great to have you for this discussion. we have not yet touched on this yet and i do want to read something, dr., turnoff from a quote of yours from the new york times. you say the queen has not been a flashy feminist, or even, she would probably, say if i'm innocent. all the through dates far more than her words i think she has

provided the very quiet alternative for women since she became queen. what do you mean by very quiet alternative for women since she became queen? >> so easy to forget because queen elizabeth was very conservative in many ways in her presentation. but there was something incredibly, a right elsewhere, deliciously disruptive about her reign, especially at the outset. because it is really important this week to remember that this was a woman who came to the throne in the early 1950s when there was such profound misogyny still in her culture. in fact when prince charles was born in 1938, they sergeant who was with a he said he had never been so happy to see a male organ and all his life. i think this reminds us of just the kinds of hurdles that elizabeth had to negotiate over her 70 years on the throne. i want to be thinking about those challenges this week as well. remembering her.

>> winston churchill, who ended up being very much a fan of the queen, respected her a great deal. at the time the chief ascended the throne she was just 25 years old and he remarked that she seemed so very young. and there were questions but whether he would say that if a man was ascending to the throne. but again, she the pearly pulling her into his orbit. also, notable doctor lid scoff, we have in line next, to more male heirs, prince william in prince george. that is three more generations. it might not be that any of us will see another woman on the british throne. it's what does that mean? >> well, i think it is important i'm terms of how changes the psyche. i think professor arianne chernock is completely right there was this -- against female power when the

queen came to the. throne and she was not a markedly great feminist, she spent her life -- conceding her. thoughts but her process changed the optics. it made it conceptually possible, i think, for there to be a female prime minister. and now three of them. in a way that has not been conceptually possible in all countries. and i think that if we look ahead to three generations of male heads of state, i feel slightly sad for women that they won't have that example at the head of our society. but i do suspect that we are going to have three men who are feminists. at the head of state. and i hope that that itself will be represented in ways that make a difference. but it is a little bit of a loss. let's be honest. >> they did change the line of succession to know is the firstborn no matter it is a male or female, which means princess charlotte is going to, be, i now, believe third in

line for the throne. i know they have up to that on the official royal website. her ability to be a soft diplomat, though, doctor live stream, to go to northern island in 2011 and to use her time on the throne in the way she is seen as a woman in that position, she was able to change a lot in very subtle ways. >> i think that's right. i do not want to be to gender sorry typical but it feels that her policies were important. the fact that the commonwealth came into being very much existing before she came to the throne, but there were nine countries when she came to the throne in the commonwealth, there were 56 at the time of her death. and that creation a of success is a large part because when she was at summit with the commonwealth, leaders she met

individually with the each of the leaders, and her presence was a calming one. i've seen report after report on uk television from people who have met her about how something that was not conveyed by television cameras but was conveyed for her there in a moment with her was this astonishing love that poured from her that she had this great warmth and sense of presence and humor. which just brought economies into peoples dealings with her, and brought a kindness into those interactions. and that is a very hard thing to capture, with all the words you can say but it did not recreate that moment of being there. that made a difference in 2011, in ireland. being the first monarch to settle on british soil. which seems just, it on by the. way and the first in a century since island has been independents. she insisted on doing that, in her presence and even the way she conveyed her feelings through what she wore, wearing

clothing that quite often gave a sense of her ascent, whether it was even wearing, saffron for example, to go to the site of the -- massacre in india. a color that is sacred to both -- and six. it is hard for a man to do that in his plane saves. and i think something about the queen was this deliberates to station to make sure that she was conveying a compassion to people that she met. >> trying to speak to the sartorial decision when she could. you can see the casket now. again. covered by the royal standard. flowers taken from the bow morrow estate. they picked up a bit of speed now because they are on the highway, and you just saw a moment ago on the overpass quite a crowd. looking down as she passed by. again, this journey is going to take six hours longer than it normally would because they do expect to slow down in some

places. doctor turnoff, next we we have is a queen concert. it is camilla. we elizabeth make sure to give her the title before she died in a symbolic move. you can see crowds lining the road and waving to the casket as it goes by. giving camila the title of queen consort. after so much that had happened between her and trials, the late diana, what does that signify? what doe>> this week, charles ad camilla have been returning again and again to this word, inheritance. it isn't by doing that they are really signaling that they are aware of the traditions in which they are working. and it was the queen's wishes to take on this particular role. and i think it is really going to characterize king charles iii's rain, and the world the queen camilla takes on as his queen consort.

they are going to be faithful to tradition. this is going to be a transitional monarchy, mostly. not one that really wants to rock the bout. >> as you can see right now they are declaring king charles. proclaiming him attenborough castle. in edinburgh. let's listen. >> -- publishing proclaim that the prince charles phillip arthur george it is now, by the death of our late sovereign of happy memory, become our only lawful in rightful leash. laura charles the third. and the grace of god of the united kingdom, of great britain and northern ireland, and of all other realms and territories, the king head of the commonwealth. defender of the faith. to whom we do acknowledge our

faith and obedience, with humble affection. besieging gaza who kings and queens do rayne to bless his majesty with long and happy years to bring over us. given that st. james's palace, on the tenth day of september and in the year of our lord 2022. >> one, two. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> -- royal select! -- now! >> god save the king!

♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

>> [inaudible] >> three carries for his majesty the king. hip hip! >> hurray! >> hip hip? >> hurray! >> wow hip hip! >> hurray! >> [inaudible] [inaudible] [noise] >> so what you heard

right there was a lord lying reading the second proclamation of king charles iii asking. you also heard god save the king and hip hip hurray. then the song god save the, caving which might sound familiar. the lyrics do not sound familiar to american audience. the same music as america my country to his of, the which was our de facto national anthem before the star-spangled banner, written by samuel francis smith. samuel frances smith. and, again we are watching the casket in that. that custom hearse with the clear backing. so everybody on the country's i can witness the casket go by, making its way from balmoral up

to edinburgh. doctor lipscomb, you are still with us. i want to ask you about the relationship that the queen had with scotland? >> i think that the king was emotionally very scottish. i think she might even have chosen to die at balmoral. balmoral is one of the private estates of the royal family. as you, know she is now on route to the official residence of the royal family. but balmoral was privately owned by the royal family, it was a place of retreat. and wasn't immensely beautiful part of the country. they're around it known as -- the sides. it had clean air, dear. it is an incredible place. and i think she loved it. also of course there is the sense of heritage. the royal family is descended from james the six of scotland, james the first of england, it was the son of mary queen of scott's. he was beheaded by the first

elizabeth, of course, when elizabeth. there's essential which there for her heritage of scottish. we saw the ascension council for when james essex became james the first of england. relating to the security of the church of scotland which is under the terms of the 17 oh 70 scott if. union and you can see multiple dates here that testify to this historic relationship. and yet absolutely this was a personal relationship between the queen and scotland. and earlier we were talking about the possibility of another scottish referendum. this is been a discussion for some time. and i think it is actually chiefly a reaction to the conservative government boris johnson, and that of liz truss. there aren't many conservatives in scotland, but as you made clear even should scotland separate from england in dividing the united kingdom,

actually they still would maintain the monarch as their heads. because there is this relationship of love i think, between the monarch in the people of scotland. mostly. of course, there are exceptions. >> doctor lipscomb, doctor chernock, thank you so much for joining us today. as we watch the casket again make its journey from balmoral to edinburgh. i'm gonna send it back to, you ali, for some more news that you new york. >> katie, that drive from balmoral to and burrow is a straight slot shot. south monumental two and half hours or so. you're saying it is going to take much much longer. at the moment they are on the freeway, so there are not a spectators or mourners on the side. but i suppose as they go through towns and slow down a little bit it becomes a very slow moving procession. >> yeah. and you will see some people lining up alongside the, roads less so here is a go through the countryside. we saw a moment ago that there was an overpass with a crowd

gathered on that. when we get through to some of the smaller towns and roads it is expected to slow down. a two and a half hour, drive straight shot as you, said extending to six hours because there is an expectation that there will be a lot of people lining the roads. designated areas for them to do so. >> and i suppose that once it gets closer and burrow we're gonna see a lot more of that. the casket is in the lead vehicle. there is a motorcycle in front of. it but the casket you can see as we head closer and have those images you'll see it clear. and the casket is covered with -- and some flowers. katie, it will come back very shortly. i want to switch something's going on here in the united states. you know you are in trouble when your lawyer needs a lawyer, and serving as one of donald trump sinker -- has become a particularly risky job especially as the former president faces to depart justice department allegations. according to the new york times, quote, just a spark filing revealed that mr. trump's lawyers have misled federal investigators about whether he had handed over to the justice

department all the classified documents that he took from the white house when he left office. that raised questions about one of the lawyers, and evan crocker and christina boss, who could be prosecuted themselves. and might ultimately be forced to become witnesses against their clients. miss bob recently retained a lawyer according to a person familiar with the situation. and quick. this comes as a team of lawyers who represented trump as he tried to overturn the election face a range of repercussions like ethics complaints and potential disbarment. trump's sodium touch, and watch everything he touches turns to the opposite of gold, extends not just to lawyers these days but too many others in his orbit. on friday the new york times reported a former white house senior advisor stephen miller is one of a dozen trump associates to receive a federal subpoena related to trump's postelection fundraising. and plans for so called fake electors. meanwhile the department of justice and former presidents legal team have submitted their candidates for the so-called

special master who will examine top secret to documents that were seized from donald trump's private home at mar-a-lago. george aileen cannon, who granted trump source quest for a special master, will ultimately decide who gets tapped for that job. with us today to discuss these developments or to intrepid journalists. david rosen investigator enlisting executive editor of the new yorker.com. ryan wylie is the justice reporter for nbc news digital. gentlemen, thank you for being with us this morning. brian, all that stuff i just all listed it is going on. trump's lawyers dealing with their own problems, the investigations into stephen miller and others into trump's orbit, and the special master, what stands out to you right now? >> i do think that the investigations into a lot of people in trump's orbit are extremely interesting. i will also note that what we know about this is coming from the witnesses. the witnesses and their lawyers. people in that orbit. because under the law the government is banned from

talking about anything with regards to grand jury investigations. pretty structural, when this very closely followed within the doj. so i think they are disappearing readers behind the scene here when you hear things like, these people have been subpoenaed. that's because it is being talked about on the defense side a lot, it often comes from defense lawyers. but we are getting a better picture of that, and a number of the subpoenas have gotten a couple of the names. but we didn't really know the full scope of this because the doj has not come out to anger the people have gotten a grand jury in relation with this investigation. but i think that we will come to learn more in the coming days about is when we are far this extends and it is a sort of looming probe that is being looked at, which is not done as much attention in recent weeks. but now he was a potentially bigger threat to trump ultimately, because i think that it is a lot easier of a call to make sure of tyler garland if he is presented with a solid case that has to do

with the interference with the peaceful transfer of power. then, potentially a mar-a-lago investigation, which some people would chalk up to being this paperwork issue. i think that is a lot more of a difficult call for him ultimately than it would be at the core of the party being a peaceful transfer of power. ali. >> i think that make sense. one of these things, seems at least in the minds of non lawyers, possibly more important than the others. there are lot of people in the intelligence committee would probably take exception to that to say, that it was only paperwork. issue there might be national security secrets. but ultimately, david, whatever happens to donald, trump whatever merrick garland or someone else decides is going to happen to donald trump, if it looks like prosecution it is going to further inflame passions around the united states. and there's been a lot of discussion about the fact that probably should not stand in the way of pursuing justice. but it's definitely worth consideration. >> i agree. i think it is. it is a really serious thing to

bring a case. most important because you do not want to prosecute donald trump and have him acquitted at trial. my sense is that they are just going to, as one person told me, investigate the heck out of this case. mar-a-lago and january six, these prosecutors are very good. this the fbi is very good at it. and they're going to try to flip witnesses. a key thing that you are talking about and -- was talking about is the jeopardy that his lawyers in the mar-a-lago case thanks. i think they're gonna put him before the grand jury, corporate and bob, get them to answer questions under oath. they will either implicate donald trump, saying donald trump told me all the classified documents have been turned over when they had not, and if they lie they have implicated themselves in a crime. the problem is that this ruling from judge can has i think slow down that process. and that is the problem with this specific ruling in with george kennan so far. >> well, slowing down the process might be the whole game

here, ryan. because the prosecutors in the department of justice is asking for this whole thing to be done by october 12th. the trump lawyers, the trump team are asking for three months. there are some who say look, it is a special master. in theory they should get most of it right and filter the documents that are necessary. but this is yet again a donald trump team delay tactic and nothing else. >> i, mean i think that's a fair analysis. just because it really does seem like what it is all about. they're essentially trying to kick the can down the road. maybe they hope for the republicans to take over the house in november. and then suddenly very quickly we are at the end of the year, they have to take part power in january. and very quickly the tide turns into the republican house can focus on investigating the investigators, which i think is what we should expect this actually flips. i do think you can see the frustration from the doj really

coming through in their filing this week. and i think they are pretty savvy about how they actually appeal this order, say they are going to appeal this order. in which they are focused on solely those classified documents. they put over 100 classified documents themselves which we know from another court filing, came out to hundreds of pages of court documents. that is what they say we can't have them -- we need to be able to focus on that. and that is because at the core of, this even if these are the records do not get pulled into this, hallie. >> gentlemen, thanks for being with us this. morning we do appreciate it. here it is a pulitzer prize -winning investigative journalist and -- of the new yorker.com. ryan riley is a justice reporter working for nbc news digital. great britain is going through a significant change right, now with a death of a 70 or monarch. the introduction of a new case. is the appointment of a new prime minister that will arguably have the greatest influence over the uk and around the world. in ireland. which is particularly. anxious i'll tell you, why after this. why after this

riders! let your queries be known. uh, how come we don't call ourselves bikers anymore? i mean, "riders" is cool, but "bikers"...is really cool. -seriously? -denied. can we go back to meeting at the rec center? the commute here is brutal. denied. how do we feel about getting a quote to see if we can save with america's number one motorcycle insurer? should flo stop asking the same question every time? -approved! -[ altered voice ] denied! [ normal voice ] whoa.

a monster was attacking but the team remained calm. because with miro, they could problem solve together, and find the answer that was right under their nose. or... his nose. my most important kitchen tool? my brain. so i choose neuriva plus. unlike some others, neuriva plus is a multitasker supporting 6 key indicators of brain health. to help keep me sharp. neuriva: think bigger. 54 years ago sorts activists

fed up with discriminatory policies and sectarian segregation planned a days long march for change. there was a peaceful demonstration, until it wasn't. when protesters reach the bridge that final destination, police through on their helmets and grab their shields as if they knew something no one else did. the peaceful marchers were ambushed by counterprotesters, beaten and bloodied with clubs and iron bars. many jumping into the friesen river for reprieve. the story probably sounds very familiar to most americans, but this is not the story of selma and -- the bridge, it is not the story of the american civil rights movement. it is a story of northern ireland in 1969. catholic nationalists march from belfast to the brutality bridge in berry, where there were met by a mob appropriate-ish protestants who violently attacked the cast

impostors, a british-backed police stood by and watch. this incident was no outlier and the troubles were just beginning. we go back to 1921 in the catholic people of ireland successfully broke free of british rule. ireland is partitioned into two countries, the republic of ireland was almost entirely catholic, and northern ireland, which was mostly protestant descendants of british parliaments, with a catholic minority that are made under british rule. northern ireland was divided along sectarian land lines, and catholic nationalists were watching northern ireland and the republic of ireland become one country as the protestant unionist to favor northern island -- the catholics remained in northern island faced discrimination on parrot treatment by law enforcement. they were treated the second class citizens. most of the -- world by protestant unionists, many refused to hire catholics.

partisans were often given preference when it came to housing. and northern ireland education system was segregated along religious lines. this conflict sparked an explosive era of deadly political violence from the late 1960s through the 1990s. it was known as the troubles, a time that was fraught with car bombs, rights and revenge killings across northern ireland. british troops were called in only to make matters worse. an estimated 3600 people were killed and 30,000 in georgia during those three decades of strife. a solution came in 1998 with american help and the signing of the so-called good friday agreement. the deal establish a new government for northern ireland representing both protestant unionists and catholic nationalists. it protected the rights of all people of northern ireland no matter what side you found yourself on. it effectively ended 30 years of violent conflict. now this may seem like a distant piece of history or thing of the past but the era of the troubles was not that long ago and there is still lingering tension in the

region. in 2019 these headlines started surfacing again, with explosions in dairy, as string of carjackings, brazen shootings and kidnappings by paramilitary groups. who responded to the likelihood of a brexit deal. since then the uk a spit split from the european union taking northern island with, it leaving the republic of ireland struck in the middle of this messy divorce. take a look at this. the republic of ireland is still part of the european union, making northern ireland the only part of the entire uk the chairs a land border with a new country. right now, this border is essentially visible. the people of ireland and northern ireland can move freely across the border which is crucial for daily life to visit, family compete for work and train. brexit, however, requires checks on august transported between the eu and the uk. you can see how that will be an issue here. if there was a so-called hard

border between ireland and northern ireland, and thousands of people catholics in particular would be subject to checkpoints and surveillance. perhaps just to go to work and visit family as they have for years. then things could get messy again. when finalizing the brexit deal it was clear there needed to be some except for this divided island. both sides agreed on the northern island protocol, which essentially protects the north ireland agreement and assure stability in the region. as i mentioned the troubles were not that long ago. many of us grew up with the constant headlines about the deadly conflict including uk's brand new prime minister lustrous. a woman of many words, none of which you can actually keep. she is flip-flopped and so many policies it is hard to know what she is going to stand for tomorrow. who supported brits fighting in ukraine. then she didn't. she wanted to abolish the monarchy and now she doesn't. she was boldly anti brexit until she was boldly pro brexit. so can the world trust liz

truss? the jury is still in which he is going to do in northern ireland and this week the -- warren trust not to touch the protocol. as a member of parliament trust introduced legislation to undo that protocol, which would it break down the border between -- northern ireland and potentially send them back to that brutal. time williams of irish catholics could face persecution, discrimination, and the racer of their identity. talk about trouble. le for a treatment for moderate-to-severe eczema. cibinqo — fda approved. 100% steroid free. not an injection, cibinqo is a once-daily pill for adults who didn't respond to previous treatments. and cibinqo helps provide clearer skin and less itch. cibinqo can lower your ability to fight infections, including tb. before and during treatment, your doctor should check for infections and do blood tests. tell your doctor if you've had hepatitis b or c, have flu-like symptoms, or are prone to infections.

do not take with medicines that prevent blood clots. serious, sometimes fatal infections, lymphoma, lung, skin and other cancers, serious heart-related events, and blood clots can happen. people 50 and older with heart disease risk factors have an increased risk of serious heart-related events or death with jak inhibitors. this is the moment. but we've only just begun. speak with your doctor about cibinqo today. an innovation from pfizer. with less moderate-to-severe eczema, why hide your skin if you can help heal your skin from within? dupixent helps keep you one step ahead of eczema with clearer skin and less itch. hide my skin? not me. serious allergic reactions can occur that can be severe. tell your doctor about new or worsening eye problems such as eye pain or vision changes, including blurred vision, joint aches and pain, or a parasitic infection. don't change or stop asthma medicines without talking to your doctor. ask your doctor about dupixent. we are here to pay our respects

to the queen. >> yes. >> she is the only one we have ever known -- that's the same for most people around here, yeah so it's quite sad. >> sad time. >> yeah. >> we know how the royal family are feeling or what they are feeling like because we lost our grandma in june. >> she was 96. >> she was 96. >> as well, so the same age. born in the same here. she always thought herself she knew the queen, like i'm not really, but i'm the same age as her it's like the same person. >> -- she did have appeal across many generations.

>> there have been a ton of people showing up here every day to buckingham palace. crowds are growing embracing all day. there are many tens of thousands of people behind me and i did get a chance to walk around and speak to folks from the old to the very young about why they came. they all felt like they had lost a member of their family. it is also important to note that these are the people who are coming out here. there are also other people around the country that, you know, this is not much of an interruption to their daily lives. it does seem as if there is a generational divide here. the younger generation, not the very young generation, but people in their twenties and 30s that i have been speaking to kind of shrug and say i'm not quite sure what the point of the monarchy is. i don't have harden embers on whether this is all people in their twenties and 30s, but from the ones i've had interactions with that seems to be the sentiment.

the monarchy itself, there is a lot of history there. the it is quite ugly. the benefit as given to the country beyond the financial stuff we have been speaking of is the stillness with which the monarch, queen elizabeth, remained on this street thrown. through all of the change she was a constant. unlike in the united states where the president becomes a head of state and fiercely divided, very political, half the country might feel that the president doesn't represent them and it's not my country. here in the uk, where it is also political and there are great divides between political parties, the one thing this country has that we don't have is somebody to look above two to that. somebody that can unite people across political spectrums. that's what we know little bit id. even at times of severe political tumbles or economic tumbles, there was someone who

looked to and say this is why we were our country. it is important in the past five or six years, certainly since brexit, the economic crisis they are experiencing right now with energy prices going up. the recession moving, the war in ukraine. she was steady. the question and i always, well charles's will he be steady? will he endowed the british public with that same continuity, the same leadership that she was able to do for 70 years. >> standby we have a couple hours of this to go through. this is a very special edition of velshi you are watching. as the uk -- marks another somber anniversary. 21 year since the september 11th terrorist attacks. we will take you live to the new york city 9/11 memorial later this morning president biden is set to speak at the pentagon.

we will bring you all of that and more. and another hour of velshi begins right now. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> good morning to you in the sunday, september 11th. it is 8 am in new york city. a sacred hour on the sacred day. 46 minutes from now, the country will observe the moment of silent to observe the moments that a plane struck the north tower at the world trade center 21 years ago today. the first in a series of terrorist attacks that day that changed the world. people are gathering at the world trade center memorial nowhere man not had ten right now, many of whom lost 11 on this day and 2001. there will be five other moments of silence this morning as well as the traditional reading of the victims names. president biden is currently on his way to the pentagon, where