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welcome to our special coverage. remembering the queen, ushering in king charles the third. it is also the 21 year anniversary after 9/11 attacks, we will take a look how that was memorialized today. on this third day of mourning, in the uk, the coffin of queen elizabeth, has ended a six hour procession of -- and now resting in edinburgh. the coffin will be flown to buckingham palace on tuesday, wednesday, she will lie in state, until the funeral, september 19th. along that six hour journey, tears for the queen and then back at buckingham palace, cheers for the new king. >> well ceremonial proclamations played out in other territories, it is the scene from cardiff, the capital city of wales. >> to whom we do acknowledge, all of faith and obedience,

with a humble affection. beseech in god, by kings and queens terrain. to bless his majesty, with long and happy years, terrain over us. >> your eyes are not playing a trick on, you this goat's unofficial military mascot. with us from london, royal correspondent, and historian

and pulitzer prize-winning author, john meacham. welcome all, matthew first here. another extraordinary day, what are you hearing from people, who are coming out to hit -- witness history in the making? >> this pageantry is including people from all walks of life, all parts of this nation. including its constituent nations. you mentioned this casket, the queen's casket, is now in edinburgh, or it will be lying in state. once again, throughout this entire traversing of the country, we have seen an outpouring of grief and love. for the former sovereign. and we've seen even heard it from some americans. here are what some of these people in edinburgh have to say. >> we both grew up knowing who queen elizabeth was. she has always been the queen of england. it was exciting to be here, at this moment in, time even though very sad.

>> it just, wanted to show our gratefulness. -- we want to stay here, and stay next friday. to pay our respects, from california. you don't know a lot about the queen, or the monarchy, the history, obviously a sad time for the country. . >> again, it's not just in england, where the queen was loved also in edinburgh. this entire united kingdom together -- 100 percent, thank you so much for that. joining me now, vanity fair royal correspondent katie nicole, and historian pulitzer prize-winning author, john meacham, offered -- and there is abraham lincoln, and the american struggle, glad to have you both here.

i will reach out to you first hear. what do you think remains for king charles? as far as the transition, after this morning's proclamation? what does he need to do? and the next eight days? >> i think, the most important thing is to connect, to connect with his subjects not just here in the united kingdom. but beyond. of course, -- it hangs in the balance. we use that word transition, and it is a transitional period, we are completely in uncharted territory. simply cannot predict what is going to happen next as the united kingdom remain united? will the commonwealth remain as it was under the reign of queen elizabeth? key to the monarchy's survival, i believe, is evolution. and change, the ability to never be too far ahead of the curve, to keep up the time. that was probably the great success, of queen elizabeth. she always had her finger on the pulse, and that is what

charles is going to have to do, we've seen it, and we've seen it before, this surge of sympathy, that he has for the british public, this is a british public in mourning. the queen was our constant, she was our stability. the beacon and threat that kept this tapestry of life -- we now look to someone to replace, that that is the beauty of monarchy. charles is going to have to work, i think very hard to fill his mother's shoes, which is not small by any stretch. and also to prove that, we still need a monarchy. that it can still be relevant in today's society's, i think that is a challenge. >> i'm curious john, of your view for this, as american historian, watching this royal family kid continues to have, on americans in general, how do

you assess that fascination? >> the fascination i think is rooted, centrally, in the story of it. let's not overcomplicate this. let's not overthink it. it is a fascinating drama, and unfolding drama. in some ways, it was the first reality tv show. right? the house of windsor. and, therefore it provides a kind of narrative, aperture for people who have less and less in common around the world culturally. there is an interest in unfolding story. the other thing, on a slightly deeper level is, because it is a constitutional monarchy, elizabeth the second and i suspect, king charles's, were articulate defenders of pluralistic democracy, which is sort of fascinating, given where they are.

because of hereditary power. one of my favorite details about the entire 70 years. on the night she was coordinated, in june of 1953, at the recommendation, of the prime minister, winston sure -- queen elizabeth in or just the, world talked about the power of parliamentary democracy, and its respect for the rights of minorities, the respect for freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of expression and at its best, there is an angle american tradition in western tradition, of liberalism. which is basically, stretches back to some extent, to magna carta in 12:15. british monarch have been negotiating towards absolutism, and the existence, and survive ability for a very long time. >> i love the lesson, teaching

us about history. it also extends to american presidents. peter baker was talking about how american presidents, they really look forward to meeting the queen, is that your sense as well? >> absolutely. these big strong man with nuclear arsenals, will kind of go gurria round her. i think it was because, if you are the united states, by and large, you have an interest in history. and interest in power. you have an interest in durability remain a strongly public figure. presidents come and go. by constitutional design. and so, i think they were fascinated by, trying to figure out, what was her secret? she is in iconic figure, to truman, and even hoover. she went backwards. hoover, who lived in new york,

she met hoover. symmetry, management eisenhower, schmidt kennedy. did not meet the johnson. and then all the way through, are more recent times. i think presidents enjoyed it. because in a way, i think just about anybody, would enjoy spending some time with her. i think if you want to understand why presidents enjoyed it, just think about whether you would or not, and what you would want to ask them. i think it was dina brown who wrote, in her recent excellent book about that windsors, that, at some point the queen got tired of answering the question what was churchill like but alex they cannot ask you or me that i think she should have understood that that was going to be a question. >> would love to hear her say that directly as well. it was an exciting time katie with you yesterday. we were on the air together but we saw that union unexpectedly so and winds are.

the pictures are all over the tabloids today. what does it say about popularity of younger royals, by extension, the fab four, as they are often known. and how badly everyone just wants them to get along. >> i think everyone wants them to get along, i think the saddest thing really is, queen elizabeth did not get to see this reconciliation. from sources very close to the queen, she was desperate for harry -- what's the point of having a royal family, if there discord running through the heart of it? this, family as a union, and then of course, on a personal level, for the queen, it was deeply difficult, also, for charles. and i think, really, this was the king. it needed to be sorted out, and william, now the prince of wales extended that to harry

and meghan. thank goodness, they took it. these pictures changed everything. together, possibly not the fab four anymore, but the four of them together, that was a giant leap for the royal family. as i said, longer term reconciliation. i think the issue about the young royals, isn't important to touch on. i think, this is a hereditary monarchy. so much going, on and i would speak to audiences in america, why can't just go to william? he's younger, it makes more sense. i spent half a time explaining, it can't happen like that, constitutionally. we will always be the trial next. it is king charles. i do think that promise of a younger king, because let's face it it will likely come to this road in his 50s, 60s, midlife, stage of our 73. i think the promise of that, next generation, probably looks much more like the european

royals. it will probably be safeguarding, to an extent, the future of the royal family. that promise of princess catherine, and prince william, i think the young royals are absolutely fundamental to the success of that -- >> and looking to prince george, after them, certainly. this moment, we're talking about john, dominating some papers at the uk. also created a stir here in the u.s., in one sense may want to remain one of the most iconic moments this week. how do you interpret the american fascination, with this next generation royal? >> it's interesting. i don't think it's very complicated. it's interesting, we all have dysfunctional families, they are just more so. they're dysfunctional with their uniforms and costumes, and castles. the duke of essex, and the

duchess of sussex, took these problems a very public, in a fascinating interview, with oprah winfrey. they invited this fascination, by talking about it. it's not that we are prying, they actually put it out. and, it is interesting. this is an ancient thing. you think about, richard the second. it was the great, shakespeare, has a moment where, i'm wrong about that, one of the history plays was one of the kings saying out of a moment of great doubt, he said, what have kings the -- ceremony is what, this is partly about. it's the two, it's that, they are human. their elevated, and they're supposed to play this role.

and so, i don't find the fascination to be very mysterious. i think, the great thing, the great task is, can they continue to deliver enough value, beyond the narrative? that is, will in fact, -- there's an interesting book, which is all of her speeches. she didn't say much, but what she did say, mattered. and i suspect the son will learn that >> she veered away from politics. i will let you both know, particularly john, i'm asking some follow-up questions, president biden heads -- has officially accepted the formal -- at westminster abby. if you think about the worldwide reaction john, to the queen's death, we have seen some controversial exchanges on

social media, a queen elizabeth's legacy, countries that were once a british colony. as a historian, what is a take on that conversation? >> it's a cognitive dissonance here. the fact that, you've asked this question, here we are in the united states of america. which beginning on july 4th, 1776, issued a searing indictment, of king george the third. in order to create a country base, not on hereditary monarchy, but an idea. that we all created equal. and then forge the constitution to drive us towards a more perfect union. much of the american experiment is founded on the idea that, autocracy, a top fussy, is to be avoided. and democracy is to be pursued. that is our ambient reality.

-- there is a dissonance there. i think that part of it is that, our head of state, our head of government or one person. that is the president of the united states, who by constitutional design, serves for either four, or eight years. we have we have the passions of politics, and cannot be separated from by and large, from -- and the british found a way, to divide the two. prime ministers are, it's very much part of the plan. part as what is known with the official part of the constitution. the windsors are what is known as a dignified element of the constitution.

one of the things -- for us, unity is more elusive, because the people who are interested with the task of reducing unity, are also inherently political creatures. it's just incredibly difficult, they found a work around. >> they did. both of you, respected an outstanding authors, listening to you both, it is obvious why. katie, nicole and john meacham, thank you so much. -- and might divide this country further, coming up next, best choice when it comes to prosecuting the former president, over those documents found at mar-a-lago.

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filing. requesting judge aileen canyon, cannon rather, cause part of her ruling and allowing the justice department to review the 100 classified documents seized at mar-a-lago, and the special master decision remains in limbo as a doj and trump lawyers clashed over just who should take on that role. two former federal judges, and trump team suggests a retired federal district court judge, and a former deputy attorney general in florida. meanwhile this morning, vice president kamala harris weighs in on the trump investigation, in a meat of the press exclusive interview with chuck todd. >> would you say to the argument, that you're too divisive for the country, for the former president? >> i think that, our country is the country that has gone through different periods of time, where the unthinkable is happen. there has been a call for

justice, justice has been served. >> joining me now, david henderson, former prosecutor, to see nbc contributor, and mary trump, host of the mary trump show, and the author of the reckoning, america's trauma. and finding a way to heal. welcome to you both, mary, you first. i want to read on the new comments, from the vice president. do you believe, there is a political risk to prosecuting -- what kind of reaction, with his supporters, is that a scary thought to? >> that is the political risk. his reaction is the political risk. the doj is not in the business of, basing its decisions whether to prosecute or not on politics. so the real question here is would it be too dangerous not to prosecute donald, if indeed he is potentially guilty of having committing serious

crimes against the country? it seems pretty clear, that either way, we are going to be in a lot of trouble. donald and his enablers are ramping up their campaign to divide this country. they are doing everything in their power to de-legitimize democratic wins. in the midterms. if those happen, and the problem is, though, that, we would be much worse off, even though again, it could create a dangerous situation, if we refused to do anything, and allow this kind of criminality to stand. >> which would essentially say that there are people who are above the law. david, let's look at the candidates. the doj, and trump lawyers have each say -- are any of the viable candidates that both parties can potentially agree upon. would have been everyone's

interest, if it comes down to judge cannon, to have to choose one. >> i think the key part of the question is, both sides can agree, on do i think that they will review these candidates? absolutely not, it will come down to judge, canada having to make a decision. there lies the -- it's a question for doj, what is going to jam it up more? what is going to slow down more? we're gonna spend a significant amount of time, arguing who the special master should be. and i think that factor, that doj's calculus, about whether or not, to move forward with appealing this decision. if i'm a lawyer working on this case, my thought is, let's give back to moving this investigation forward. whether or not we're gonna be able to make a case against the former president. if it's gonna take too long to get the special master in place, and there are also other considerations period up. it's worth it to appeal because maybe that advances things sooner. both sides are gonna be able to

be in a special master. >> let's talk about timing. the doj was the special master's review, and on october 17th. well trump's team, wanted to extend about twice as long for a 90-day review. do you think the timeline requests are reasonable, or is this a very typical trumpian delay delay delay? >> it's absolute typical. the fact that the special master has been appointed, entirely unreasonable, not supported by the fact, not by evidence, so it is just another instance in which donald gets his way because he knows the further out he pushes this, the better the chance of not having to run into the 2024 election. which is what he is banking on because, he really does not have a leg to stand on. any more delay, creates exactly the kind of problem that has been exacerbated, by this

judge's egregious ruling. it creates the illusion that, donald has a leg to stand on, it creates the illusion that, he may indeed have legitimate right to these documents, which he does not. >> you bring up the election, i will throw in this question. do you think you are uncle is really going to run, given the world of legal trouble that he continues to face? there are many suggest publicly and otherwise that he is in a weekend position politically within the republican party. that he is not gonna, run and it's not to his advantage to do so. where do you stand on that one? >> i think the more legal trouble he's, in the more likely he is, to announce a run for the president, whether or not he would, run that's another question entirely. there is a very long time between now and november 2024. a lot more shoes can drop, we need to be very clear, he would run because he thinks that that

would shield him, from potential criminal damage. that is the entire rationale -- wary of having the party stay connected to donald, they don't have any choice in the matter. they've created this monster. there left to deal with him, and -- >> back to the legal issues at hand, not only are the trump and doj teams pretty split on who the special master should be, they are also split on what exactly the master should be reviewing, if trump's lawyers, they've largely based their request for a special master all those claims of executive privilege is that argument going to hold? >> the argument should not have held. and yet it has. they're in lies the -- i don't know if i can have argued with a straight face. you took some of these boxes, some of the stuff is in it. maybe medical records, maybe

techs documents. i could not and so that would a straight face. and yet, something they had talked about it enough. judge cannon stepped in, and said you know what? until we figure it out, i will tell doj to halt its investigation, it's criminal investigation, which she does not have the right to do. federal judges do not have the right to do that. that is part of what is creating such a difficulty for doj, dealing with this because, i think the line is, we teach bloody instructions, and being taught, we're not talking about killing a king, as we did mcbath. we are talking about the death of a democracy. if doj does not take appropriate action in this circumstance, they end up having to contend with other people coming for it, and saying, hey, you can investigate us until we have the right to insert. extra -- that we are titled to. because it happened before. >> important deadlines this, week for tomorrow and thursday, to see what happens. thank you both, it's good to see you. lifetime and no time at all.

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[inaudible] >> while the vice president traveled to new york, the president spoke the pentagon, let's go to nbc's monica alba, who is at the white house for us. welcome what are we hearing from the president and first lady's today? >> i had their, all the major principles were out. marking this 21 year anniversary, the president did lay a wreath as you saw just now, at the pentagon. and spoke, they're the first later actually made the trip to pennsylvania, where she spoke at the flight 93 memorial. and she was joined by her sister, bonnie. who actually is a united airlines flight attendant. she mentioned and recalled the sister lost friends, on that day, of course two decades ago. president, and second gentleman for their, part they were in new york city, at ground zero for that memorial. very typical in what we see

with commander in chief -- >> and the president spoke of course to the lives lost, but also took a moment to talk about the importance of defending democracy earlier at the pentagon. >> i have to stand up for democracy once a year, every now and then something we have to do every single day, this is a day, not only to remember. but a day of renewal and resolve. we will need this -- meet the significant responsibility. secure our democracy together. as one america, the united states of america, that is who we are. >> this is the one year anniversary of the end of the war, in afghanistan. which was launched in response to the 9/11 attacks. and the president spoke to, that in his remarks, and also noted that earlier this summer,

that killing of the head of al-qaeda, there was a man's to mind behind 9/11 and the fact that he is now also dead, he said it hopes it brings a little bit of closure to some of those families who lost their deepest ones on 9/11. and also, the president quoted the late queen elizabeth the second, by offering something she said, after 9/11, which is, grief is the price we pay for love. >> absolutely profound words. worth repeating, i know monica you have confirmed for, as the president has accepted the official invitation to attend the state funeral of queen elizabeth the second. monica, thanks so much from the white house, and, yes, she lived in castles and palaces, and yes her personal net worth is about 500 million, queen elizabeth probably had a lot in common with, you and came to the dinner table. a personal chef of ten years, joins me next. joins me next.

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elizabeth as cross the capitol today. crowds packed the narrowest it's -- sheets of admiral, ten deep in some places. applauding as a sign of respect. a casket was draped with the royal stand, it for scotland, as well as a wreath of flowers, it's her beloved -- included sweet peas which was one of our favorites. now in for a treat, as i bring

and chef darren mike grady, the queen's personal, stephanie traveled with the royal family for more than a decade. chef, it's good to have you here, first i would like to get to reflections on the legacy of queen elizabeth, and how you are going to remember her? what is your fondest memory? >> i spent 11 years, cooking breakfast lunch afternoon tea and dinner, for her majesty. during that time, i have so many memories, whether it was seeing that pageantry that we all, and the front of those palace dates, we also behind the scenes to. it was a jewel in the scottish highlands, for her to be out, they're having fun, and just living the normal life, so many happy memories with her. >> i'm so glad you do. let me ask you about what the queen, what did she love for you to make for her? >> the queen used to be

seasonal and if we were in barr moral, she loved the soft fruit, raspberries, strawberries, blackberries. one time, walking past we heard voices someone is stealing the queen's foot. walked, in and came face to face with the queen and princess margaret, she saw me, and said when you make some jam with these? it was unbelievable times. and having, it come into the kitchen, and walking in, and just thanking for a wonderful weekend. you feel like you're the only person in the world speaking to it. >> did she ever sneak into the kitchen? did she ever see can and say could you put together a little -- she stood there, the rest of us would do that. midnight snack, or something else? >> she is a very disciplined

queen. she eats four meals a day, with small portions. in between, it would be a football in her room. one of our fragrance was something called windsor peaches, they were peaches that are grown in the garden of windsor castle. and they were -- even when she was traveling, whether it was a but moral, they were shipped and driven all the way up to balmoral, so she could have these for a breakfast and for afternoon. >> that sounds lovely. she had a standard menu, that she would go by. was she adventurous trying new dishes? was there certain protocol that you had to fall low, when you introduce something different to the menu? >> we had a royal menu board, and we put suggestions in, for afternoon tea and dinner. if we had a new dish we wanted

to put on the menu, the queen wanted to see them first. in my recent youtube video, i got at the video about a dish, i sent into the queen, we were on balmoral, strawberry season. i had to come up with some new recipes. this one was unveiled farmer's daughter, it was delicious. but i forgot to send the recipe out to the queen. i got back in the menu, what or who are the veil of farmers [inaudible] i just sent back upstairs, very quickly. as you can see it. >> i'd love to know that is. if you can get that information to me, i would love that. let me ask you. rather famously, one of our former presidents, george h. w. bush, hated broccoli. you just knew never to serve him broccoli. was there something like that, the queen elizabeth? >> yes. buckingham palace, i cooked for reagan, ford, both presidents. the menus were always decided by the queen. it was her favorite, indigenous

produce, and the one thing you never saw on the menu for the queen, was garlic. she thought it was antisocial, very victorian, that is an aftertaste and everything. so we never used garlic when we were cooking for the queen. >> let me ask you since you serve the queen, around the clock by admission, breakfast lunch afternoon tea dinner. aside from catching her in the garden trying to pick her own buries how was she behind the scenes? what did the public not get to see, that you did? >> i think the public did not get to see the way she was with the family, and the way that she was, a mom, a grandma. and she was the nation's grandmother, loved around the world. but behind the scenes, when she was relaxing, just for her to throw on the head scarf, and go walking those cookies, she, it was just a happy time. whether it was windsor,

balmoral, the first time i met her, she was walking the cords. and i thought, i'm going to meet the queen. suddenly all the cork is saw me. 12 at the time. started barking and running towards me. i turn and iran, and i could only see it laughing. a great sense of humor. >> i'm laughing too. that is a perfect out on which stands. let me just say, this queen obviously enjoyed remarkable health overnight six years. and a diet, -- well done for decade plus of doing that for the queen. thanks for sharing your thoughts with us. what the vice president just said about a controversial campaign finding tactic used by democrats, whether the and justify the means, next. justify the means, next. rer. that's right, jamie. but it's not just about savings. it's about the friends we make along the way.

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ahead of the midterms. and the press exclusive, asked the vice president, about the party funding ads to promote election deniers in primaries. in key states like michigan, illinois, colorado, new hampshire, take a look. >> i am not going to tell people how to run their campaigns. i've ran -- >> would you have done this? >> i'm not going to tell people how to run their campaigns. i've ran for statewide, attorney general, reelection, won both times, for senate. won that race, and i know that it is best to let a candidate, along with their advisers, let the make the decision based on what they believe is in the best interest of their state. >> joining me down -- now, john calloway. i'm joined by two of our msnbc

political analysts, republican strategists, susan del -- my sunday family, maybe you guys gotta sleep in a little bit today. thank you for joining me, don, give me direction to the vice president. is it appropriate to prop up extremist republicans, hoping they will be less competitive, in the general election? >> the answer is, it is extremely appropriate. the answer is yes. we are ten years into this, as a campaign tactic. i'm from missouri, i very well remember the super pac, standing up, taught a, can to show exactly how out of the mainstream he was. i think these tactics are okay. because they are putting these republican candidates, most of them who are -- putting their words out there. they're just saying, this is what this person thinks, and it is objective, really far out of line, and frankly pretty dangerous. i do however have a problem with the framing of this debate. this is the second or third time, we have discussed this. and jeff taught having elevated discussions, with the vice

president. let's be clear about it. republicans are willing to still seats. and burned down democracy, rather than let everyone participate. democrats explain to the public, who the famous candidates, our it's fully legal. it is a legal and above the board campaign tactic. but you see how the mainstream media is getting that slapping democrats on the wrist, saying don't do that. as though we are supposed to achieve some type of higher moral ground standard, when republicans are literally burning the country down, so that everyone can't participate in democracy. i have no problem whatsoever, this is a campaign tactic. >> david, i spoke to peter baker earlier. he used the phrase to describe this interview, as being kamala harris, walking a very fine line. a tightrope if you will, while she did this interview, why did she just, say what dawn just said. >> i don't think it's that easy. i love my friend don. i disagree, here's why. they were not just promoting the words of these very

dangerous candidates, they were elevating them and suggesting voters vote for them because of that. it is disingenuous there's a strategy to it. i think you should not spend money on a bad candidate, whether they are on your side or the other side. for, one, they might just get elected, this cycle. secondly, you are also talking about, and focusing on the bad attributes of another candidate, instead of the good attributes of yours. i'm a purist, i'm, knife and i get it. maybe that's why i'm not cut out for elective politics. i think you should present your case to the voters, and beat them. beat them on the ideas, at the ballot box. don't play high jinx on the other side. don's, right it is done on both, sides it is done often, i just think it's wrong. >> we are a family, here families can disagree. tiebreak are here, your thoughts between what both of these guys have said. >> let me say the vice president handled the question the best way she could.

she had to walk that fine line. i think her response, while non answer, was completely appropriate. because she should not dive into those issues. as far as what the democrats are doing, cutting up extreme anti democracy candidates, i know the tactic well. as far as putting up dangerous candidates, people who think he can run better against, in a general election. but it is so dangerous i am not for, it i'm not for it on either side. but especially, putting up an anti democracy candidate. that is what concerns me. what if it goes wrong. that's a big price to pay, and it is not a single vote, a vote here or there. we are talking about someone who really can create havoc, on our democracy. a -- >> really quickly, the problem is not democratic operatives or campaigns, it was for voters who advance to the first page

of the meetings. these people won elections fairly and squarely. and when they end up running in these non gerrymandered districts, where they have to run against objectively moderate or liberal democrats, they were put their. it's not like a democratic campaign tactic, -- >> republican voters won the race with them. >> point well taken there, let me stick with you. according to the analysis by 5:38, 60% of americans will have an election denier, on the ballot at this fall. president biden is responding by testing his message, that maga republicans are threat to democracy. it's all take a listen to that. >> i want to be very clear, upfront. not every republican is -- not every republican embraces this dream ideology. i know because i work with them. the mainstream republicans, there's a few of them left. the extreme set maga republicans, have chosen to go backward, with hate and division, that is what their game is. >> is that messaging resonating

with oliver stone? >> i think so. this is not a new thing, for this election. we are 12 years into, this we are going to chase it back before. that if you look at the start of the tea party, the reality is, if they are not the majority republicans, they are certainly -- i'm glad that as a democrat, that is not my problem to try to watch that energy, while still trying to win general elections. that is where the growth sector, isn't that where it has been for sometime. >> let me ask you about that approach. is that a winning approach, to try to attract independents? or those republicans? that president biden was deciding between republicans and maga republicans? >> i think first and foremost, it is a necessary approach. joe biden in some ways, is assuming the burden of trying to take on, this cultural movement of trumpism. it may not be the greatest --

which is why, he's assuming some risk. he knows, you have to do it. as kamala harris said in the interview today, enemies foreign and domestic, you have to identify, them and challenge them. i think the key is, as you alluded to alex, joe biden has to appeal, and he's doing it. to democrats independents, and mainstream republicans. he saying, it will take a pro democracy coalition. not just to stand up to these -- but to protect the rights -- to make health decisions, the right to express sexual orientation, in a classroom, in the state of florida for instance. and, he's telling a narrative, that if we let the force, of the anti-democratic forces win, they will take away their rights, that is the message going in. >> let's take a listen to what republican senator tim scott said, addressing president biden's message this morning. here it is. >> can we have a leadership

that unifies us without a crisis? what we have not seen the biden 's unifying message of people rallying around? as we deliver a soul crushing speech, that was unnecessary, polarizing, and inflammatory. we have done better, we will do better, and that is why elections have consequences. >> what do you make of his critique susan? >> it sounds like someone who's putting there -- and what it without running for president. nine trying to take off to many people. where he is so fundamentally wrong, is biden came in during covid, the height of covid. and we were in a crisis. and we could not get one republican, to support that covid funding. if anything should be bipartisan, it should be the health and lives of the people of our country. the country could not get behind, it the republicans would not let it happen. i take that all four, he has

his talking points, and he went on fox, and good for him. but it is not true, and he knows better. >> i will let you react to that as well don. >> i found him to be a wise and centering voice in the senate. we just did not see those type of -- against polarizing inappropriate speeches for years of the most polarizing and inappropriate president. he's doing his political thing. here. and it's tough. because tim is a good guy. i like him a lot. >> dipping his toe? >> desantis -- is in the discussion. >> last word for you david on that. >> i think senator scott, and every elected republican official and every mouthpiece on fox views, needs to understand a very simple truth, which is, there is no unifying with insurrections. the call for unity, cannot happen, when you're talking about a constituency, that

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