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accepted the invitation to attend the funeral for queen elizabeth the second. that state funeral will take place at westminster abbey on monday, september 19th. today began with what king straws describes as his mother's laps great journey. the confident queen elizabeth taken on a long and somber procession from balmoral castle where she died to hollywood hills and edinburgh where it will remain until it has flown to buckingham palace on tuesday. beginning wednesday, the queen will lie and state at the house of parliament. that was the reaction, tears, when king charles was seen entering buckingham palace today. he held some meetings with other territories while the other territories proclaimed him king. this was the scene in the bailiwick of jersey. that is an island nation near france. >> to work tirelessly, she held a jersey and great affection.

and then regard for six times. and sharing the warmth which was reciprocated by the people of jersey on each occasion. she sent us a warm note through the countess of wessex as recently as liberation day and receive the royal greeting in response. we all feel a sense of loss and sadness many feel that we have lost a friend. >> meanwhile, the younger royals, prince william and harry are still the top of the town. dominating front pages of the british tabloids today with photos of their surprise public appearance at windsor castle. we are going to get more now behind the headlines and we go to msnbc matt bradley and london, and the embassy row contributor to senate lip skin. welcome to you both. matt, it has been a long ride for that late queen to her favorite countryside. what can you tell us about how london is preparing for her rival? there >> that is right, we are

going to have a state funeral here in london. most of the action is going to happen, alex, right behind in the westminster compound. this is a big bed, as you can see. westminster hall is actually right below the club. on the other side of this historic building, that is where the queen is going to be lying and state for floral for days. this is going thursday and friday and saturday and sunday. this before she moves across the street to westminster abby. that's where they're going to have the actual funeral itself. all of this in the same day she's going to be moving then to windsor castle where she will be interred alongside her husband in saint georges chapel. the city is ready for this province or come stands. something the royal family does really well. they have not seen this level of pageantry since the last state funeral in 1965 for winston churchill. here's what people are talking about here in london. >> i wish them a lot of luck getting the first job at 73. i think he has tough shoes to

fill. i wish him all the best. i'm glad he has camilla beside. >> how do you feel about the new king? >> lovely, very nice. very intelligent, just like his mom. she was supremely intelligent and supremely knowledgeable. not just london, not just england but world knowledge supreme. supreme person. never said a word wrong unlike million politicians. >> as you can see, a lot of londoners are very excited about their new prince charles that there, a man who is not always been popular, alex, to put it mildly. what we are going to be seeing and the next days, we will -- all of the morning, again, pop in pageantry. and to tell you, alex, i was talking to my stepmother today. she is british. she told me she attended that lasting funeral for winston churchill. again, it was happening behind

me back in 1965. back in january. i believe when she was a student. she was talking about how very cold it was to wait in line for hours an hours before being able to file in. she was brought there as a school class. you're going to see a lot of that coming up. not this monday, the monday after that. >> that is a very cool first person narrative you got to hear. let me just say, i don't mean to correct you, you did stay prince charles, it's going to take some getting used to, my friend, we are all trying to get used to the king charles thing. i mean, you can be forgiven after 70 years. >> i am not the first one. >> no not at all. there you have it. not the least. thank you so much, my friend. the other big storyline today, prince harry and william together outside windsor castle dominating those tabloid front pages. joining me now, suzannah let's come, professor at the university of roe hampton. an msnbc royal contributor. susan welcome.

this storyline of formerly known as the fab four, these two princes and their wives, the way it has taken off, are you surprised by that? i would love to know why you think people are generally rooting for this reunion. reunion i think we all hope for this reunion. we loved them getting on. because when someone dies it is a time for reconciliation. we are united in grief. we know the queen would've wanted it. i suppose we feel like it may be a last which to see them getting on. i don't suppose the haters are going to stop hating. i don't suppose that tabloids are going to stop putting horrible stories about them out. they thrive on the. it makes commercial sales. megan duchess of sussex was correct what she said is a strain of racism in the newspaper industry here.

i am sure that is absolutely the case. i hope that they are getting on. i was glad to hear that prince william has suggested that harry and meghan join him and his wife. >> the public nature, not necessarily of the criticism that meghan has had to endure, really crushing for her. the public nature of them speaking out about the difficulties that they have encountered. really breaking that sense of royal silence that was demonstrated by the queen throughout her reign. just keep calm and carry on. we see that everywhere. how much does that need to happen, the quiet around their issues before they can truly get on as a force again. >> such an interesting question. you are right. the queen's mantra inherited from her own mother never complain and never explain, i have always thought what a

challenging thing and must have been for the queen to see herself mocked and ridiculed over the decades. we forget this now. she has become esteemed. there were many times when she was really the butt of some terrible satire and some horrible comments, particularly in the 80s and 90s. she could never have the right of reply. you are right, by having the interview with oprah, harry and meghan say that we can speak out and respond to these things. yes, that is not the royal way. we know the king now has because of the royal prerogative which limits the power of the crown himself, now not going to be able to speak about issues like climate change, which would've meant so much to him to campaign on. it is yet to be seen how this is going to be resolved. it's a live issue. it goes to the heart of what it means to be confined by the

constitution here in england. >> we all understand in our family squabbles let alone having the play out on a global stage. that's gotta be difficult. let's take a listen right now to prince william. it was him yesterday as he was in the crowd. here's what he said. >> how are the kids? >> the kids are lovely, thank you. >> is he generally this friendly? >> yes, yes. actually, they are a friendly family. they have learned that they, that is how they get public support, it makes its own calculating. they are open and engaging comments with people. the 1 to 1 encounters, we don't get public announcements in the newspapers about their feelings or thoughts. 1 to 1, we know that the queen was very good at putting people

at ease. and sharing her heart with them about their issues. we see that moment there with william now prince of wales doing exactly the same thing. it's a technique he has learned from his grandmother. >> there was something interesting in the telegraph today. it said, quote, this was a knockout blow, a pr blow intended to stop ten days of national mourning being over satirist by tales of the ongoing rift during the royal brothers. considering how choreographed every other detail is, is there any sense this was a pr stunt? do you think it was authentic? >> when i first heard about, it i thought it must have been ordered by the king. you've got to go and do this. let's put an end to this dispute and to this speculation. it has come out that it was suggested by william it's just much more of a note of authenticity. it suggests the olive branch,

law i don't think the whole thing is necessarily dealt with. i'm sure there is more tension below the surface. it has been resolved, i hope. we do not know. it is a good sign. it is a good sign of authenticity. >> to the point that was made earlier during that report on the queen, never uttering a wrong word. this is one headline. it comes from the washington post. elizabeth decided to be, to be boring for britain's sake, she was the most disciplined public figure of the past century. there may be a level of anxiety that the king is feeling today. thinking he has to fill her shoes. is that even possible? should he just keep her shoes by her former bedside and try to fill a zone. >> i mean, i should imagine he does have quite a degree about

the responsibility. on the other hand he has been training for this job longer than most people had have jobs. he has been beside his mother through all the decades. i had a close eye on what he has done. supported and helped her. we've seen a lot over the last year. we for many years, he has been beside her. i think he can, using the example, step up into the role. i feel his start has been a very positive one. we see that in the reaction from those londoners. generally speaking, the public, gosh, that address he gave was really giving the right note. this is actually more inspiring than he had dared hope. it was more composed unemotional and more solemn. it was cultured and intelligent than we had hoped might be the

case. because people had that ideas in their head about charles for years. yet he is going to prove to be something of a royal are wonderful monarch. >> he would love to say that. you are right, it was a very profound and really terrific speech. a good way to kick off his level at the monarchy. suzannah lip skin, thank you so much. it is good to speak to. let's go from there now to the developing story, britain's ministry of defense says ukrainian forces have made significant gains against russian positions. in the past 24 hours, it comes after russia's defense ministry announced it was pulling back troops from two areas and ukraine's eastern kharkiv region. joining me now from kyiv, msnbc's megan fitzgerald, megan, welcome. what's the latest you're seeing and hearing on the ground following what appears to be a big victory for ukraine. >> absolutely. we are seeing some of those significant advances that we've

seen from ukrainian troops since april when they were able to effectively push the russians out of the outskirts of kyiv. keep in mind the counter affection was just launched two weeks ago. since then, the president of ukraine, president zelenskyy is saying that his troops have been able to recapture more than 1100 square miles of russian occupied territory. take a look at the northeast of the country, the kharkiv region them. they are saying that recaptured some 30 settlements and villages there. this is the area where we are seeing the russians retreating. of course, the russians are paying a different picture. they are saying they are regrouping and re-deploying their troops to the east of the country to bolster the situation there. we are also seeing ukrainian advances in the south in the kherson region. we saw the russians see this at the start of the invasion. all of this is happening as we are paying close attention to the zaporizhzhia nuclear plant a, situation that is deteriorating overnight. we know that ukrainian energy

officials shut off the six and only working reactor they. did that because they were able to restore the off-site power line. it is the only thing right now that is powering this entire nuclear facility. the concern here is that the shelling in the area continues. if this line gets hit, that would cause a situation where this would need to run off. and that's an issue. we know there's ten-day supply of the diesel. time would be taking in that type of scenario. just within the last hour, we heard from president zelenskyy and twitter. he is saying that right now the area of kharkiv in the northeast that we are talking about in donetsk, they are seeing a complete blackout right now. places like zaporizhzhia, where this plant is, they are seeing partial blackouts. he saying this is a resolve of deliberate strikes and critical infrastructure. this is something we're going to be watching closely, alex. >> thank you so much for keeping an eye on that from

kharkiv. coming up next, a huge story that has major implications for all the documents found at mar-a-lago. first, remembering one of the most painful days in american history. that, of course being the 9/11 terrorist attacks that happened 21 years ago today nearly 3000 lives were lost. moments of silence were held in new york city marking when planes hit the twin towers. names of victims red at ground zero. a similar ceremony was held at the pentagon for flight 77 crashed. president biden among those singing god bless america and talking about the pain experience by so many. >> 21 years ago, 21 years and we still kept our promise to never forget. we will keep the memory of all those precious lives stolen from us.

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president kamala harris today on the possibility of the justice department prosecuting donald trump. here's what she told me the press host chuck todd and an exclusive new interview. >> what do you say to the argument that it would be too divisive for the country to prosecute a former president? -- >> i think that our country is the country that has gone through different periods of time where the unthinkable has happened. and where there has been a call for justice.

and justice has been served. >> for more on this and the latest in the trump investigation, i am joined by ryan riley, justice reporter for msnbc news digital, and glenn kershner, former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. hey, guys, could see you both. glenn, first to you. are you surprised at all by the vice presidents comments? >> no, i am not. on the one hand, the president and the vice president never want to say anything that could be perceived as giving marching orders to the department of justice. with respect to to prosecute, and whether to prosecute, what to prosecute for. i also think it is fair game for the president and the vice president to make it clear that if i government officials regardless of your status or former status break the laws of the united states, those are the laws that we all have to abide by. the laws that were put into effect in a very real sense by we the people through our

elected representatives. they should be held accountable under the law like any other citizen. i think when we see crimes that appeared to have been committed and there has been no accountability for them, that really does tend to undermined respect for the law. and the regard for the department of justice. i am not surprised by her comments, i actually think both the president and the vice president could be a little bit more forward-leaning in demanding that everyone who breaks the law is held accountable. >> there is a simple way to say. it no one should be above the law. period. exclamation. point meantime, ryan, you have the doj and the trump team who appear to be at a standstill. they are offering two separate sets of candidates for a special master. who is charged with reviewing the documents that were seized at mar-a-lago. bring us up to date on where this stands. is there any chance there will be a simple agreement on either of these four candidates. >> it is a good question for

the trump team. i think that obviously the two candidates that the doj brought forward aren't well qualified for this sort of position. i don't know if you can say quite as much that trump brought forward, i don't think they're in the category of someone serious for doj. i think the bigger dilemma here is that a doj does not think that a lot of these documents at all have any ties to potential claims of executive privilege. and that is what they focused on in their memo last week. they basically pointed out that you can see the frustration boil up and lead through on the page. this idea that that president trump has a personal property claim on documents that have secret security clearances on them. it is ludicrous. you can see it bleed through. there is no potential way that there is a personal property klain on what is on the face properly got. documents setting aside the fact that the documents really

that we're, most of documents, rather that were seized from mar-a-lago were government documents themselves. we saw over 11,000 pages of documents seized at mar-a-lago on august 8th. i think that is where this is headed as this limited appeal goes forward. tio j. as been strategic about how they approach this entire situation. >> yes. ultimately, judge cannon could herself make the appointments on her own if these two parties are unable to reach a consensus, right? is that in anyone's interests? how difficult is it going to be for the doj and trump's team to agree on one of these candidates? yes, ryan just expressed how, one, the trump suggestions they may not be the same level as the other three. could she go there? could she choose that particular one? >> she could choose any of the four or she could disregard all of their suggestions and just choose someone herself.

let's also keep in mind that the department of justice has filed a notice of intent to appeal her ruling in its entirety. they asked her to stay a little piece of it. in litigation, it is not at all unusual for two parties to be asked by the court to see if they can agree, and reach an accommodation. i will say, in my experience more often than, not the parties do not agree. and that is why we have judges having to make the call. i do think that two candidates put up by the department of justice are well qualified. former judges. it is worth noting that barbara jones has been appointed a special master. before i know we live in a post irony world. she was a special master when one of donald trump's lawyers had his office searched. she was a special master when another of donald trump's lawyers had his office searched, rudy giuliani. and now she is being offered as a special master in what would be a hot trick of special

master duties. when donald trump had his home in florida searched. she certainly has the experience. she has the qualifications for. >> i had not put that all together, thank you for doing. so something else this week, steve bannon pleaded not guilty to new york charges for defrauding donors who contribute to his campaign. trying to find a border wall. here is how he described the indictment proceedings. >> one of the best days of my life, very powerful and spiritual day. it was a lot of things that came into high clarity. i was totally in the zone. they are not going to shut me up. >> as bannon was indicted on thursday, i want to add that he said they would have to kill me first. i have not begun to fight. how do you explain that strategy, ryan. >> it is a tough one. this one is a case that is sort of off limits for the feds. this is the state stepping in here because of the fact that

there was this target on the federal charges. it is interesting that he seems to be responding as though this is the doj during this one it's just not. he has complained about the timing of it. there is no doj. there is no role for -- that is just something that's not really a written role at doj. it is how doj operates. we'll see how this ends up playing out. the approach that we have seen from bannon before, remember, he has got a sentencing coming up in the books on a separate federal case for contempt of congress. we live in this crazy world now. it's only a few weeks ago that he was convicted of contempt of congress in connection with the january 6th investigation. >> do all this, i say stay tuned. brian, glenn, thank you so much. coming up, at the white house is set to launch a new initiative to address the growing crowd threat of violent

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house. the president preparing for a summit this weekend addressing violent extremism here in the u.s.. emcees monica alba standing by for us there. monica, what can we expect to hear during the summit? do you know what is on the agenda. >> the united we stand estimate. joe biden as a candidate when he talked about wanting to run for the white house, he said it was charlottesville, the white supremacist rally in 2017. it motivated him to go for the highest office in the land. as president, he is going to be convening faith leaders and business leaders, and federal state officials to talk about essentially what is ailing america when it comes to hate fueled violence. he is not going to be talking about mass shootings, it is of course a part of.

this it was the buffalo shooting earlier this year. after which the president said he wanted to have a larger conversation like this. the white house is going to be gathering all of these people together to talk about the corrosive effects of this hate field violence. i don't to talk about the nationwide response to these dangers and you put forward what they are calling a shared vision for a more united america. we heard some of these themes touched upon in the interview with vice president harris earlier today. especially when it comes to talking about protecting democracy here at home. take a listen to that. >> i'm very concerned about it. i am very concerned about it. there are so many issues going on in the world that require, at least how is americans have traditionally thought about what is right and what is good, what should be fought for. what should be human ideals. and certainly the ideals of

democracy is. i think that through the process of what we have been through, we are starting to allow people to call into question our commitment to those principles. and that is a shame. >> if that theme sounds familiar, it is because it's one the white house has been touching on a lot in the last couple of weeks. most notably with their presidents primetime address that he gave in philadelphia where he said some maga republicans, some supporters of former president trump, pose a great risk to democracy and a great threat to the nation. expect the president and the vice president to continue this message to talk about it in many different terms. not just when it comes to these broad strokes but also in this hate field violence that they're going to continue to talk about when this summit takes place on thursday here at the white house, alex. >> monika, thank you for that heads up. and all of the details. joining me now with more on the politics behind the white house and the upcoming summit on hate, we have a course, my good friend, reverend al sharpton. host of msnbc's politicsnation

and present at the national action network. you are going to be there, we are going to attend this thursday at the united we stand summit on hate and extremism. your organization, the national action network, was one of across action of civil rights groups that press president biden to host this summit in the wake of the racist massacre in buffalo new york that monica was referencing earlier. as a rhyme crimes have surged to new records over the last few years, what can the white house and the civil rights community do to make a difference? >> i think there are several things that can be done. one is that we need genuine enforcement of hate crime laws at a federal level that will also make states take it more seriously. we have seen the massacre in buffalo against blacks, we have seen senate gala tax both in pittsburgh and in southern california.

lgbtq places, social places attacked. and el paso, latinos attack asian, and attack indigenous people. we need to assure america that we will not normalize a violence by not going after those who engage in it. and those that inside-out. as well as go after the tone of the country that has almost made this some kind of permissible way of engaging in political discourse. i think that when we reached, out we were in buffalo doing two of the ease of the victims there. we reached out to jewish leaders and latino leaders and asian leaders. and the urban league. as i said, the adl from the jewish community. we put together joint letter suggesting a summer. the white house took it and expanded it. they have said effectively what the president has been saying.

that is we cannot act like hate filled violence is normal in america and is acceptable. >> let's play a bit more on what vice presidents harris has said about this. here it is, rub. >> it is very dangerous. it is very harmful. it makes us weaker couple that. withhold with people who hold the highest elected positions in the country, they can be used to condemn an insurrection on january six. it sends a signal that causes people to question, hey, as america still valuing with the talk about? >> do you want to expand on that, i am sure you agree with her. >> i absolutely agree. today is the 21st anniversary of the terror attack that took the lives of hundreds of americans. what we have refused to really

pinpoint is that when they, the $20 in new york, other locations, they did not tell blacks or latinos or muslims or anyone that we are going to attack and get out of the building. they killed this all. they saw us as one. we learned on that day to die together as americans, we did not learn to live together as americans. as we look at the 21st anniversary of the attack on this country, we need to learn that the world looks at this as one. we have not been one. we need to be one. we disagree on certain political issues, we have different tactical-ish. if real leaders stand together across racial and ethnic and religious flat ones and say we cannot tolerate hate filled violence, it helps to set a tone and hopefully energize the

government to do what is necessary and stand with the president, and that is what we hope to do on thursday. i am in houston texas today with reverend terry kate anderson, we talked about it at his church. they havof this. i think that we need to step forward, real leaders try to say there must be boundaries to where we have? a society that people can go out and -- >> i've got to tell you, rather, a few of us that can keep up with you in the pace that you seem to generate, houston, washington, back here in new york. safe travels my friends. always glad to talk to you, thank you. >> coming up next, we are going to talk about the week ahead as the world remembers queen elizabeth. i'm going to talk to the author of this new york times piece about the intersection of grief and criticism that we are seeing right now. first a little flashback to an

important day in the life of that new king. >> prince charles's wedding to camilla parker bowls deliberately different from his first favorite union. the second day which seemed >> went off exactly the way the couple wanted it. simple and low-key. it began and winds are what we got the first glance of the duke and duchess of cornwall, the prince and princess as whales. possibly the future king and queen of england.

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at the palace of holly roodhouse, the residents in edinburgh. a bit earlier today, they left balmoral castle through the scottish countryside it. will remain and scotland before it leaves on tuesday. has renewed calls from former colonies to the caribbean to remove the monarchy as their head of state and for britain to pay slavery reparations. msnbc's carrie sanders joins us from kingston, jamaica. carrie, let's talk about the attitude that jamaican's are caring right now toward the monarchy. >> this is a country of 3 million. you have many different opinions. of those i have spoken to, they are not celebrating the queen's death in any way.

they have expected during her seven years of rule an apology because back in the 16 hundreds it was the royal monarchy, the duke of york that established the british african country vinny that enslaved people and then brought them to jamaica to work on the plantations and plantations that were sugar and sugar light was like old at the time. they never got the apology. steven golding is joining us here. now he is among those who have demanded not only apologies but also reparations. explain to me first of all when we hear reparations, what is it that you would like to get from the monarchy. >> it speaks to repertory justice. the knowledge is the fact that something went wrong. even the fact that slavery as been declared a crime against humanity, crimes against humanity have no statute of limitations. the topic of at the emancipation the so-called

emancipation in 1834, conversation in the amount of 47 million pounds was paid not to the victims of the transatlantic slave trade. to the victimizer's. the slave owners. >> what was given to the slaves? >> >> absolutely nothing. they were put into a four-year period and an apprenticeship where they gave four more years of free labor to the plantation. how do you do a job for 300 years and in the last four years you are suddenly an apprentice? >> to understand how much money was given to the enslavers back in the 1800s, explain when that was finally paid off. >> that was not paid off until 2015. according to the british treasury. it compounds the problem. it means that jamaican's who were apart of the wind rush migration to the uk, who helped build up the uk after world war ii, and their taxes, they paid up to 2015, they were paying back the loan taken out to pay

the slave owners. we practically had to buy our ancestors out of slavery. this is a tragedy. we are demanding more than an apology. >> in march, when prince harry and prince escaped were here, there were protests. you helped organize that. you are part of that. the message seems to have been received as we wrap this up. what is the expectation now? the queen has passed away. king charles the third. what do you expect? >> prince charles had an opportunity to address this. i believe when he spoke at the commonwealth heads of state, he did not. the language of the europeans who were responsible and particularly those representing the institutions of the monitors that were involved have been very careful in their language. they have never said sorry. they use words like it's unfortunate. they wish they saw. that almost as if they know

that by directly apologizing, they are admitting and would be there for held to legal reparations, of, course it would open the door to a court system. >> we should point out a court system that is a shared system here. the parliamentary court system here is very much like the one in england. in fact, to use an explanation of what we understand in united states and supreme court, if you're going to appeal to the highest court in the land, here in jamaica and the other commonwealth realms, it actually goes to the privy court in england. there is a lot to untangle here. quite frankly, as you are standing here -- >> i harness cortisol the parliament. that makes the laws. since 2007, our parliament has taken a position that reparations must be pursued. i am asking king charles iii to do the right thing. it begins with an apology. and then it begins with

discussing how these reparations will be made. institutions in england have started. it is time the monarchy, one of the chief institutions responsible, be brought to book. >> steven, thank you very. much i appreciate your time. clearly something that maybe new to some in our audience, here in jamaica, a long held discussion. again, a lot of waiting,. alex >> there has been a lot of waiting. we will see what comes from all of this discussion. thank you so much, gary sanders. and to your gas. let's go now to a new article that explores the mix of grease and some controversy surrounding the queen. joining me now, the author of this piece, stephen erlanger, the chief difficult at a correspondent for europe at the new york times. steven, welcome, the queen's passing, there has been dissonance across the world. you heard it right there. >> there has been dissonance and there has been providence of her majesty to those highlighting the role in the colonial past. some of its lives on today. it is the resentment toward queen elizabeth against her personally or is it to the

monarchy? can you distinguish between the two? >> i think you must distinguish between the two. she embodies the monarchy and she was the head of state. i have not heard anyone who met her who found her evil or difficult. people found her witty. people found her caring. her life belong to her. the world is shifting, as you know. it is shifting in terms of gender, it is shifting in terms of race. there are new calls for identity and consciousness and justice. and for fairness. when one here is that in the commonwealth also, that is what we just heard. one of the big questions that will face king charles is his

mother became queen in the 1952 just after the second war when the commonwealth was very young. to some degree, she held it together by her person and her symbolism. that will be much more difficult. already, barbados has declared independence. other countries have. australia is considering it. jamaica clearly might consider it. after 70 years there's a sense that the cycle of independents has to conclude with real independence. without bowing to distant monarch. i think you can distinguish between the person in your institution. and the state had a history, and some of the extreme was pretty ugly. >> how challenging would be for king charles to address the sins of the past? what cyberattack rope does he

have to walk? should he just be open and invite conversation about? it would that be something a monarch might do in today's day and age? >> it's a very good point. it is something he would be open to. the nervousness people had around him is that the queen held the commonwealth together, frankly, fairly elderly king will have more trouble doing the same. partly because of the waves of modernism that we have discussed. partly because after 70 years, frankly, the queen was the only queen most people knew. it seemed easier to go on as it was. king charles along to keep it together as a cultural institution as a way to find people. peoples choice of independence,

he has always said, it is up to them. i don't think the british and living reparations. >> i am curious giving you wrote your piece that elizabeth was revered as a symbol of national unity between good times and bad. [inaudible] >> i think so, without a question. she lived through some terribly difficult moments. and very difficult personal moments and family moments. it became the point where all her travails and family travails, people associated with themselves. she became kind of one of them. that is going to be very hard for trials to replicate. people have not grown up with charles. charles is already an old man. i think it is going to be much harder. in terms of her memory, i think the good farce of passes the

past. the bad part predated her. most of the bad parts really did predate her. she pushed for sanctions and south africa. she pressed to end apartheid. she tried to modernize the commonwealth. she pushed for racial equality that was strange to her whole parents generation. this is a transition. it will always be difficult. i think around here, there is a lot of goodwill. >> it will be a lot to watch, steven, thank you so much for the conversation. we will be right back. will be right back. she is fearless heart's on the line depend silhouette keeping leaks off her mind. comfortable in shapeware fabric

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>> good afternoon, everybody. i'm yasmin vossoughian. a sacred day of mourning on both sides of the atlantic. england dealing with the es