vossoughian, welcome back to our special coverage of the morning for queen elizabeth. the body is an embryo islands, it will remain there for next couple of days. the public will have their first chance to pay their respects and person. king charles will be in scotland tomorrow after the proclamation of his >> with fanfare and years. while the king is being met with enthusiasm, he has a big job ahead that has a started. meeting with representatives in the commonwealth at nations today, even as some started considering their future with great britain. we learned just in the last few hours that president biden has now formally accepted an invitation to the queen's funeral on this 19th of september. he'll be accompanied by the

first later at westminster abby. i want to head now to matt who's in london for us. and covering the lead up to september 19th. matt, talk to us. we know, as i mentioned, the queen's coffin arrived in edinburgh today. take us through the six hour journey and what we can expect in the days leading up to her funeral. >> it really was quite emotional, yasmin. it lasted for six hours and princess and was there the entire. time you saw as the people of scotland and tourists and others who are gathered around the root of their coffin, it was traversing through the scottish highlands, we had a glimpse of some of the fantastic country sides up there. it did not go direct from balmoral to edinburgh. it went up to inverness, the highest was from the most northern of all of the cities in scotland. the only city in the scottish highlands. and then attacked south to

where it went to autumn barrow, to hollywood house, that is the only real state residents. of course, the queen died in balmoral. balmoral is not a state residence for the royal family. it belongs as a private residence for the actual members of the royal family. it is not the same as hollywood house in edinburgh. for a brief moment, people will be able to see the queen's casket, excuse me, that crosscut lying in state and edinburgh. that is before she makes her journey down south to where i am in london. and then she will be lying right here behind me and the westminster hall inside the house of commons before she moves across the street to westminster abby. that is going to be on monday morning. until monday morning people are

going to be able to walk through and see the queen's casket, the queen's coffin, excuse me, lying there. this is going to be a four day, really more than four days, it's going to be starting in the evening of wednesday and going right up until about 6 am on monday morning, the day of the funeral. when the funeral finishes up across the street of westminster abby her coffin will then be transferred with a very regal parade to her castle and then we're going to start to see the internment of the queen alongside her husband in saint georges chapel, inside that castle. we are going to see this pomp and circumstance extending rate up until that monday morning. for those who want to come and see, we have heard from a lot of members, this is going to be quite a large number of people

who are going to see the queen and state. it is going to be a large event. it is going to be unfolding over the next couple of days. >> thank you, matt, i appreciate it. for many nations, as i mentioned, the british commonwealth, the death of queen elizabeth has brought mixed emotions. new calls for independence. nbc's carrie sanders is in kingston, to make up for us. talking to folks on the ground there. carrie, there was a survey back in august that actually found 56% of jamaican support removing the british monarch. that was before the queen died. they are asking for reparations for the atrocities of slavery. as you talk to folks on the ground there in jamaica after the death of the queen, what are you hearing? >> it is very much the local history here in the west indies. specifically here in jamaica. the folks who live here, the majority of them are

descendants of slaves. they were brought here by the royal african company. it was directly in line with the monarchy that succeeds today and king philip the third. so, what you have is a lineage that many hearsay means that those who are in authority now should apologize and should recognize that the money that was taken off of the backs of slaves here from the sugar plantations is money that not only added to the wealth of the monarchy but over the centuries compounded making them even wealthier. joining us here is somebody who can talk directly to that. introduce yourself. >> -- >> i'm curious, how do you feel about the queen's death. >> i have no feelings about it.

>> no feelings at all. >> no. >> >> even though this is a commonwealth nation na and she was at a state. >> head of state of the commonwealth nation. i am not calm part of the commonwealth. i don't recognize myself as part of it. even though i am in the commonwealth nation. i'm a ras tafari and, the only king i recognize is. -- >> explain a little bit about that. you are descendants of the families that were enslaved and brought from ships. do you know where your family descendants came from? >> difficult to say. given what i know about jamaica, we will say from the west coast. it is right down in nigeria. most of us is from down there. -- these are some african nations that came across there. >> when you look at the moment that we are in after 70 years, no apology from the queen for the enslavement. and now a new king.

what is your expectation, first of all in terms of an apology? are you expecting one? >> the queen has been there for 70 years. she has been all over the world, one of the most traveled monarchs of england. there's so much atrocities in india. in kenya and in africa and in the caribbean. she has not been recognized, her family was responsible for what has taken place. especially what has taken place in jamaica. it is re-branded, they call it colonialism. it's the same thing. >> we go forward, as opposed to looking back. what is your expectation. >> my expectation is that we have to continue the struggle to make them recognize that

there is something that needs to be done right now. that is an apology and reparations. >> thank you very much. calculating reparations, yasmin, is very complicated. some would say that in the 1800s when the slave owners were actually compensated and the tune of 20 million pounds, why did the slaves get any of that money? if that were the case, maybe the money that has since, when i think about inflation, you think about how money could've invested in compounded. we are talking perhaps billions and some people have been calculating trillions. trillions of dollars. yasmin? >> carrie sanders for us. that was a really good conversation, carry. it helps me as we shape the future of what is to come with kim charles now in place and the uphill battle he has ahead of him. carrie sanders in jamaica, thank you carry. joining me now is historian and author caroline harris.

caroline, thank you for joining us on this. i'm sure you heard the conversation that my colleague had about the gentleman and jamaica. is something that we heard across the board when it comes to the struggles that are ahead, especially when it comes to the common law of nations and this new king after 70 years of rain. what do you make of what you just heard? is there a possibility for that king to reset the relationship going forward? perhaps offering the apologies and reparations that people in jamaica are calling for. >> certainly there is a real grappling with this a difficult history that is happening at this time. we have seen the new king's willingness to speak to some of the most terrible moments and british colonial history. last year when prince charles as he was then was in barbados,

when barbados transition from being a constitutional monarchy to our republic within the commonwealth, he spoke quite forcibly about the atrocity of slavery. it was not an apology but it was an acknowledgment of this aspect of history. this past may, when he was in canada, he emphasized that his role was to listen to canadians. especially indigenous canadians. to hear about their experiences. to take that in. he attended a moving ceremony and aloof and then for residential school survivors and those who had been victims of the residential school system. and the speech on the northwest territories, he discussed the pain and acknowledge the pain of residential school survivors, the indigenous peoples who had suffered abuse in those schools. we are seeing not a formal

apology, we are seeing an acknowledgment of some of these aspects of colonial history. that follows in the queen's footsteps, when she was in ireland in 2011. she stated unofficial speech. some of it was in gaelic. there were things that could have and should have been done differently. we are seeing some acknowledgements even if they are not formal apologies. >> acknowledgements, yes. it certainly does not seem that's enough according to the gentleman that was just interviewed by carrie sanders. and then there is the possibility of some of these commonwealth countries, 56 of them i believe, across every continent excluding and our tica. they will be holding a referendum to become a republic. they are announcing plans to do just that. do you expect others to follow suit after the death of the queen? >> all of the different

commonwealth nations have very different relationships with the crown. there are dozens of commonwealth nations, as you stated. but only 15 of them have the monarch as head of state. others are republics within the commonwealth, like eswatini and brunei are monarchies of their own. the commonwealth is very diverse. for those 15 commonwealth nations who have the monarch as head of state, these are separate crowns. same monarch and separate offices. the process for a transition from one form of government to another is a different. i think certainly barbados has set an example that may well be followed by jamaica and tequila. they are talking st. vincent and the grenadines as well. and the caribbean, barbados's they're going to have an influence on transitioning from constitutional monarchies to republics. and more countries with more

federal systems like canada or australia. it is a much more complicated process if that decision is made to move from a constitutional monarchy to republic. and some commonwealth rounds, it looks more like there might be a change in government then and others. these are separate countries with separate histories. >> caroline harris for us, thank you, appreciate it. still ahead with this hour how queen elizabeth passing is shifting the roles for each member of the royal family. could donald trump's legal situation get even more complicated? what the new indictment against steve bannon could mean for a possible future against the former presidents. a possible future case, i should say against the former president. first, vice president kamala harris raising the alarm on domestic threats to democracy and the exclusive new interview. interview. clumping litter? salmon pate? love that for me. just choose the frequency and ship it! i feel so accomplished.

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growing threat of anti-democratic violent extremism within specifically the republican party. i want to bring in now olivia troye, former homeland security and counterterrorism that riser to the vice president might vice president, thank you for joining us. the vice president said she's putting out this call to democrats and to better republicans as well. saying this violent extremism is out there. you have got to call it out when you see it. it is growing. it could be worse next time. how grave is the threat for us right now? >> she is absolutely correct. it is severe and, i would say. this is something that national security circles and many of us discuss. we have been concerned about this throughout the last two years and in the aftermath of watching the developments of that lead up of january six and what continues to happen here. she is correct. we have a number of people out there who continue to drive some of these false narratives

forward. it is encouraging, we are seeing it. and we are seeing it take hold in the ranks of military officers. our military members. law enforcement. there was recently an article reporting the roles of the membership rolls of the -- had people like this that were part of it. this is a very dangerous thing. add that into the mix with the election deniers that are running for office. the election deniers that are running for significant roles such as secretary of state, which have a major role in our elections. the pinnacle of our democracy. when you combine all of these things, it is a very dangerous time. on the world stage, i am sure that our international partners and everyone is paying close attention to us and wondering what is happening in the united states. >> i wonder. i am curious as to what you think, whether or not you think the president's affectedly

messaging out there about the extremists that is before us. that two prongs of extremism. the problem of extremism that is folks that are willing to engage in violent acts, and then there are the people that are inside our government, right-wing republicans that are trying to undermine the democracy. >> which is completely shameful. they took an oath of office. they are betraying that oath. they are betraying the country and the way that they are behaving. the fact that they are fundraising when they know that all of this is based on lies. they are radicalizing americans, that is what they're doing. they are turning us against each other. our neighbors against each other. it is something that is frankly very dangerous and ongoing. i think president biden is correct. i think it's important to make a distinction. i think he has been trying to

drill down on that point that when you talk about republicans supporters or the gop, it is not everybody, it is not all these voters, right. it is an extreme faction here that we are seeing that is taking this to extremes. he is not making a blanket statement. i voted for president biden as a lifelong republican because i did believe that he would work in a bipartisan way. it is important as a leader of our country to address this and say, look, this is ongoing. this is an incredible challenge. while it is hard because he inherited a lot of challenging things in his presidency, it is hard to say this as a leader of the country. he will be judged and criticized for it. i heard my former colleagues criticize him and say that it's just increasing the divisiveness. at some point, as leaders we have to, we have to take a stand and start talking about this and calling it out. saying, we have a problem here,

we have to come together as a country. or we are going to lose. we are going to lose the country that we have all defended and fought for and love. >> call it what it is. i do want to pivot a little bit and have you react to the washington post reporting. asserting the fbi agents in searching mar-a-lago. they found this document detailing foreign governments military defenses capabilities, and their nuclear capabilities as well. along with the classified documents. hundreds of, if not thousands, of documents that were found and seized at mar-a-lago between the 15 boxes and those during the search. as a member of the intelligence community, what has been the reaction? >> this is so appalling. it is so incredibly dangerous. it is awful law to seeing of our president would've done. this it is awful to think of the type of damage to our national security, the fact

that is a budget risk. the fact that i'm shirt in the educational community, many foreign leaders are wondering what was in those documents. does it put our country and our weapon systems at risk, who got what? who got a hold of it? that is 1 million dollar question right now who had access to it and did it fall in the right hand wrong hands? how much should we be concerned about the exposure that we have? just think about the work of the intelligence committee. they're going to have to recover from this and understand the damage that has been done. >> olivia, as always, good to talk to you. >> coming up everybody, mourners gather in scotland's capital as queen elizabeth body lies at rest in edinburgh for the next two days. ukrainian forces continue to make a large gain as part of their counter offensive. we are going to look at the crucial territory they are

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>> andrew element. >> susan lee blair. >> a somber annual tradition at ground zero. today the reading of the names of those lost in the 9/11 terror attack. a different kind of mooring going out and great britain as well. they continue to deal with the loss of their beloved monarch. >> the body of queen elizabeth has now been moved from her home in balmoral to scotland's capital of edinburgh. king charles the third will arrive in scotland tomorrow. the public will get a chance to pay their respects as well. the queen's death bringing challenges to say the least for the new king. also signaling changes for the

rest of the royals as well. joining me now is sandra lametti, a journalist and expert and trustee of the royal society of st. george the royal family's charity in america. it seems quite a fan of the royal family. with his decorations behind him. some work goes into setting something like that up i have to say. let's whole put your entire apartment does not necessarily look like that. >> you don't want me to turn around the camera. you know who was not a fan of the royal family for a long time? liz truss, the new prime minister. in her younger days, she was quite public about being a fervent anti monarchist. opinions change. she is going to spend much of the rest of the week on a tour of the uk with king charles. unprecedented moments in the same week. they will really have to lean on each other and forge a

strong partnership here and hopefully she has gotten over her feelings now. now >> what do you make of that? because the uk is in a very precarious position right now, right? and energy crisis looming, especially with winter right around the corner and the war in ukraine happening. what do you make of the uphill battle about the new prime minister, just a few weeks into her job, has along with the newly crowned king. and how important it is to show those forward facing unity in the weeks ahead. >> as prince, charles found it impossible to stay out of politics. margaret thatcher and him clashed terribly over her lack of an urban renewal policy. she would just ignore all his suggestions. but charles will not let it go. recently, he has been sending

what's been called black spider memos to senior government ministers. these are letters in which he tries to influence their policy by giving his opinion. they're called black spider memos because his handwriting is so messy, it's been compared but governor ministers to black spiders. liz truss will have been receiving some of these messages, of course. the big test for charles as king is, is he going to do what his mother did and stay entirely out of politics? or is he going to reinvent the role of the monarch to be a leader on those issues he feels most passionate about? one of which is climate change. is he going to be the global spokesperson on this issue? it can't be entirely left to greta thunberg. >> it's interesting, you talk about whether or not the king is going to rise above politics. certainly a question we're going to be talking about in the days and weeks to come, considering where his queen,

mother, stood on that. the queen stood on that. but i do want to address another thing, because we've talked a lot about the royal rift in referring to prince harry and meghan markle. what we have not necessarily talked about, prince andrew. the very serious allegations leveled against him, his connections to jeffrey epstein as well. do you expect the king to address these allegations? >> i do not, i expect him to ignore enter as much as possible. it's interesting, those of us who are wondering what role inter would have in future found the answer today. when we found out that he will be inheriting the queens corgi's. so, his brother gets the kingdom, he gets the dogs. i think that they will be quite satisfied, the palace, with andrew staying out of the spotlight. because the last thing they need is a scandal scarred brother bringing to mind all their problems. it's hard enough to lift the

country up, rebuild and try to new course for the monarchy. with the respect of the nation, when you've got andrew with all his baggage. >> how, though, do you ignore something like this? this is allegations of sexual assault, pedophilia, these are incredibly serious allegations that may have hurt many, many young women. how do you ignore something like that, as the king of england? allegations against your brother. >> well, it's a great question and it's one that charles will have to address. now, how his mother dealt with it was she stripped andrew of all his titles. and removed him from the front line, as a working royal. that did not go far enough for some people. but one of the few mistakes that her majesty made, in the eyes of the british public, was when it was and she was leaning on for support at prince philip's funeral. just when we thought he was

banned, he was back. we saw a rare public appearance from him again yesterday. now, we don't expect him not to appear to publicly mourn his mother's death. but i expect charles will handle it by doing royal equivalent of keeping him locked in a covered for the next few decades. and not have him seen on public occasions. but there are many who would like to go further, and have him condemn even those actions that have been acknowledged so far. about his lack of wisdom, if nothing else. it reflects very badly on the royal family. and charles has broken of a slimmed down monarchy. that will be his idea. what he means by that is very fewer royals. in other words, injuries out. >> sandro minute he, thank you so much. appreciate it. want to get to a developing

situation that we've been following out of ukraine. president zelenskyy there, say russian forces launched an attack late sunday on critical infrastructure in the kharkiv and donbas region than eastern ukraine. these attacks of caused a total blackout, knocking out power and water for several civilian centers. with the president think that military facilities were not the target, the goal is to deprive people of light and heat. this is coming as ukrainian troops have made major advances in their latest counteroffensive, reclaiming large amounts of territory. president zelenskyy saying this winter could be a turning point in the war. joining me now from the capital city of kyiv, ukraine's megan fitzgerald. megan, what we know first about this blackout? >> so, we know we heard from president zelenskyy not long ago, in the last couple of hours, he saying this was a deliberate on critical infrastructure. there is a lot of that is what we're looking at places like kharkiv, the second largest

city here in ukraine, in the dark. the donetsk region in the east, also in the dark. places like separate, where this nuclear plant is located, and poltava which isn't far away. they're seeing a partial lights out. we know that crews are working around the clock to try to restore power. again, this is the concern, that the russians are trying to knock out the heat. especially as we get closer to winter, yasmin. >> a lot to follow there, especially as ukraine is continuing to make these surprising gains that nobody could've predicted. at the beginning of this war. megan fitzgerald, thank you so much. coming up next, everybody. more from the exclusive nbc interview with vice president kamala harris, including her president of the supreme court and the midterms potential effect. on a woman's right to choose. >> on to the senate and get to more. and that we can put into law the protections of roe v. wade. everything is on the line when you think about the millions of

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discord. we had an established right, for almost half a century, which was the right of women to make decisions about their own body. as an extension of what we have decided to be, the privacy rights to which all people are entitled. this court took that constitutional right away. and we are suffering as a nation because of it. >> so, that was more of check todd's exclusive interview with vice president kamala harris. she went on to say that she had a lot of concern about the integrity of the court overall, something that we've been talking about especially since the overturning of roe. meanwhile, you had chief justice john roberts defending the courts integrity.

saying it has also decided controversial occasions and, quote, simply because people disagree with that opinion is not a basis for questioning the legitimacy of the court. i want to bring in adrienne elrod, democratic strategist and former senior aide on the biden harris campaign. and strategist kurt bardella as well. adrian, let me start with you on this one. heavy first react, of course, to this jury for the anguish we're hearing from the vice president when it comes to questioning the legitimacy of the court? do you think the court is having a real crisis here, of legitimacy? >> yeah, absolutely, yasmin. i think the vice president did exactly what she needed to do on this and i think she said exactly what we needed to hear. not just democrats but americans. because of course we know that a lot of republicans and independent voters completely disagree with the courts decisions. most notably, the decision on roe. she really went there on what justice roberts said, which frustrated a lot of people.

because you can't really undo, the civil court did this, but you shouldn't just say people disagree because we got rid of a right that was around for 50 years. that is not typically what the supreme court has done. she went, there made it very clear that we're frustrated. but she also didn't try to sugarcoat anything, we have a long road ahead of us. we have a 63 supreme court that is not going away anytime soon. the only way we're going to do that is what the will of the voters. she obviously focused on democracy as well and how that's a threat. i think she did a really outstanding job in this interview. >> it's interesting, kurt, right, because it seems naive if you're chief justice john roberts, to not a college undoing, as a tree and just put, it the 50 is a precedent that was in place. the promises made by the supreme court justices, especially during some of their confirmation testimony that they gave, during the trump administration. roberts goes on to say this, you don't want the political

branches tell you what the law is. and you don't want public opinion to be the guide of what the appropriate decision is. but it seems like the court is already there, it's already been politicized to a certain extent. >> yeah, i think that the chief justice failing to acknowledge and all of this the fact that politics played the role in why there is a 6 to 3 majority for them in the first place. but the fact that republicans, led by mitch mcconnell, were able to successfully hold a supreme court seat hostage, effectively, until they got the political outcome that they wanted. it already has compromised the composition of the supreme court. when you get to the point now where a group of an elected individuals are opposing, take away rather, rights that are overwhelmingly popular with american people. you have an extreme minority imposing a rule of the majority that they fundamentally disagree with, and there's no means to hold them accountable. especially when some of these justices made promises during the confirmation process that

they are now violating, that they are now betraying. there is no mechanism for that accountability, i think that's why so many americans right now hold the supreme court in such a low opinion. and why there is a massive, unfavorable gap with the court and american people. >> adrian, let me play for you guys both a little bit more of the interview that she acted with the vice president. >> to believe the government should put any limit on abortion? >> i believe government should not be telling women what to do with their bodies. i believe government should not be telling women how to plan their families. i believe government should not be criminalizing health care providers. i believe government should not be so no exception for rape or incest. >> what do you make of what the vice president said there, adrienne? >> i think she was really, good she is one of our top surrogates in the country on this issue. she most famously spoke at

emily's list, a pro-choice women's organization, right after roe overturned. gave this outstanding speech and really solidified her place and being a top surrogate on this issue. and look, i think she made a very clear, we're not going to get into a tit-for-tat in terms of his it is a 15, weeks 20 weeks, nine weeks. the point is, the court overturned a decision that has been in place for 50 years. ban of our bodies, that's where she went that's exactly what she should do. >> how, kurt, do democrats capitalize on the issue of abortion? you saw that success in kansas. you saw the 6000 upstate new york, you've seen the success and alaska as well. you look ahead to the midterm elections, it's the number to issue for voters. the number one issue for democratic voters. after, that the january six hearings. how do you capitalize on the issue of abortions, going into the midterm elections? >> i'll tell you, in a lot of

ways, republicans have become our best, unwitting accomplices here. in trying to gain the political favor on this one. they're going out there trying to scrub off their websites, their extreme abortion positions. they're essentially taking a spotlight telling us to look there and run ads there and call out and hold them accountable. when you have republicans out there saying things like they're going to go after our contraception, that this is just the beginning. that ten year olds who are raped should be forced to carry their pregnancy to term. the republicans are out there every day, showing the american people how extreme they are. this is having a major impact in terms of how successful democratic candidates have fundraised, closing the enthusiasm gap. in fact, the enthusiasm gap is now in our favor. we've seen such a huge tied change in the election in terms of how we talk about this. from just five months ago to where we are now. it's completely attributed to the words of republican candidates every day are going out there and saying. >> kurt bardella, adrian elrod,

appreciate you both. good to see you on the sunday. still ahead, former trump strategist steve bannon charge was fraud and donors as donald trump himself is facing scrutiny over his postelection fundraising. so, could the former president be next? it has google analyst any cevallos, after the break.

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da alvin bragg, who along with states ag laetitia james, have charged with multiple felonies for defrauding donors who gave money to build a wall on the southern border. we're now learning the doj seems to be looking at even more here. the new york times now reporting that trump's own postelection fundraising has come under scrutiny by the justice department. with a federal grand jury putting that subpoenas to learn more about the former presidents safe america packed. this may not be all that surprising, given what we saw during the january six hearings. flick back in a small portion of them. >> the claims that the election was stolen were so successful, president trump and his allies raise $250 million. nearly 100 million dollars in the first week after the election. on november 9th, 2020, president trump created a separate entity called save america packed. most of the money raised went to this new pack, not to

election related litigation. the site committee discovered that it made several million dollars of contributions to pro trump organizations, including one billion dollars to trump chief of staff mark meadows as charitable fantasia. $1 million to the america first policy institute, we conservative foundation which employs several former trump administration officials. $204,857 to the trump hotel collection. and over $5 million to event strategies inc., the company that ran president trump's january 6th rally on the ellipse. >> that is a lot of money. so, i want to bring an msnbc legal analyst danny softball us to talk more about this. keep it all i just laid out, could you this reporting we're getting from the new york times and some of the sound we just played there and then, of course, what's happening with steve bannon. how worried should the president former president be alongside his allies, as we hear now about this doj investigation which may go further? >> he should be worried. only because there is a doj domestication into his pack.

but should he be worried simply because steve bannon has now been indicted for his activities related to the build the wall charity? not necessarily. because the allegations there are just so different, they're so unique. steve bannon has a lot more to worry about because, if you just read the indictment against him, it seems as of his charitable organization made the statements we will not take a penny. and then, apparently, according to the indictment, they took more than a penny to pay themselves. to take money and put it and other places that it didn't belong. that's a kind of, thing in the modern-day, that could be tracked pretty easily with electronic transmissions. >> and you had to codefendants who pled guilty back in april, as well. >> yes, that's a point, by the way, for bennett's defense. and that, if you look at the indictment, those unindicted coconspirators appear numerous times in the indictment and bannon really isn't as prominent as the unattended coconspirators. the defense that he may end up using its likability chair,

ladies and gentlemen. there are several empty chairs where other bad guys should be, for some reason i'm here. that might be an argument, that's looking ahead to trial. but bannon it's a kind of guy who doesn't take plea deals. in the trump case, for example, the allegations are somewhat different. but the investigative purpose, i should say, so much different. but again, any doj investigation is a bad thing. >> and, yet the day bannon was arrested he said was the best day of his life. considering the charges against him. how worried should he be, how do you see that playing out? >> steve bannon should be very concerned. because these are the same charges that the federal government brought against him. i should say somewhat different, because the federal government brought them under federal statutes another brought under state statutes. but, even in the indictment, it lays out an excruciating detail, you see those two felony counts. money laundering, conspiracy. conspiracy, by the way, in my opinion, relatively easy to demonstrate. and it is a harsh criminal law. because of the federal and state level, it allows for colourization of all the acts

that were done, even if bannon himself didn't do it, if they are part of the overall conspiracy. >> also, we're talk about some of the money that we saw late at night and i just played, specifically the million on is paid to mark meadows, his charitable foundation. when you're looking at him talking about the investigation into the save america pack, should meadows and others that were paid out also, now, be worried? >> they should be weighed, because the next question is, what was the money? what is its purpose? what was it in fact used for? but its investigation into the save america pack is concerning in that this is an organization that devoted, donated, a ton of money. millions upon millions of dollars. it was done at the same slapdash ways a lot of other trump never, there are a lot of rules about charitable organization. a lot of laws that, if violated, can be a real problem for the charity. case in point is a steep and in

situation. where, if you have a charity, need to say we will not take a penny a profit from any of the pennies. they all, 100%, go to the wall. you are setting yourself up for challenges. and particular steep ed and his crew are setting them self up for challenges because it doesn't seem like this was really run that well to begin with. >> the enemies of all, this year for minutes is up. >> that's it? >> that's it. >> outrageous! >> there's another shouted, she is right there waiting, getting miked up. that wraps it up for me everybody, i'm yasmin vossoughian. i'll be back in the chair at next sunday. like i said, alicia menendez starting her show after a quick break. we'll be right back. ht back. trelegy for copd. ♪ birds flyin' high ♪ ♪ you know how i feel ♪ (coughing) ♪ breeze driftin' on by ♪

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