politically motivated or tied to the outcomes of the midterm elections. >> and governor brian kemp of course looking to the d.a. wants him to testify but they pushed successfully to have that pushed until after the election because of that timing. so senior reporter for insider, thank you so much for being here this morning, and thanks to all of you getting up way too early on this monday morning. jam packed "morning joe" starts right now. my lords and members of the house of commons, we gather today in remembrance of the remarkable span of the queen's dedicated service to her nations and peoples. while very young, her late majesty pledged herself to serve her country and her people, and to maintain the precious principles of constitutional

government which lies at the heart of our nation. this vow she kept with unsurpassed devotion. she sent an example of selfless duty, which with god's help and your counsels, i am resolved faithfully to follow. >> king charles makes his first address to parliament since taking the throne. we're looking at live pictures now of his motorcade headed to eden burgh. we'll have more of the comments and funeral arrangements just ahead. ukraine raises its flag following a major victory in the second largest city.

some experts are calling it the worst loss for russian forces since the kyiv retreat began back in march, and the latest in a legal fight over documents seized at mar-a-lago. we will have the latest on the legal developments. good morning and welcome to "morning joe," it is monday, september 12th. with us, we have u.s. special correspondent for bbc news, katty kay, the host of "way too early" white house bureau chief at politico, jonathan le mere, and president on the council on foreign relations, richard haass from ukraine. and james stavridis, msnbc's chief international analyst, and we'll begin there with the war in ukraine, where ukrainian forces are claiming major victories on the battlefield after recapturing large parts of territories in eastern ukraine. local officials say ukrainian troops on saturday took back the strategic city of izyum areas around the country's second

largest city, kharkiv, forcing russian forces to retreat. russia initially claimed it was pulling back to regroup, however moscow yesterday acknowledged that it had lost nearly all of the northern parts of kharkiv. ukraine's commander in chief says their forces have retaken more than 1,000 square miles of the land since the counter offensive began at the beginning of the month. that is more area than russian forces have captured in all of their operations in ukraine since april. remarkable. videos from kharkiv yesterday showed local residents celebrating and hugging ukrainian troops. analysts say the fast-moving ukrainian offensive shows that the tide of the war is shifting. meanwhile, "the new york times" reporting that russia's performance has prompted discontent among pro kremlin bloggers and staunch vladimir putin loyalists, creating new

challenges for the russian president. joe, this feels like a turning point. >> well, it is. i mean, it certainly is a turning point at a critical time before winter sets in. you can be certain that russia is going to try at some point their own counter offensive, and we'll see what happens there. but as far as this stage of the war, admiral, as you said several weeks ago, winter is coming, a successful ukrainian counter offensive absolutely necessary before everybody's frozen in place by the long russian and ukrainian winter. so if you could, tell us how these victories fit in, and just give us the scope and the impact of these advances by the ukrainians. >> i think they're very significant, joe, and you know, you reach back and look at other wars, think about the korean

war. at the beginning of that war, the north koreans had massive advances, pushed the south koreans and the u.s. allies all the way to a tiny corner of what is today south korea. they kind of came around behind them and created a new circumstance on the battlefield, so, yeah, i think this is pivotal. we'll know more in the days and weeks ahead of course. four quick points, one, tactically, this is really hurting the russians in all the ways mika mentioned but also it's the loss of manpower, the loss of morale, as they watch this unfold, the russian troops. operationally, what the ukrainians have showed us is they can conduct a complex, dual front, full, offensive operations using combined arms, very effectively. strategically. think of how this is playing today in beijing, where they're

in preparations for the big might with xi and putin, and how this is being portrayed there. they're going to try and make it look better than it is. and then fourth and finally, and i think most obviously, huge psychological uplift for the ukrainians. look at that flag flying. look at the faces of those people as one would say about war, the morale is material, this is a pretty good moment for the ukrainians. >> so admiral, you mentioned mcarthur's brilliant landing. that obviously was just a strategic move of brilliance that caught the communists off guard. i'm curious what happened here? how did we have such a decisive turning point and such a rapid collapse by russian forces? >> i would point to three things, joe. the first was a brilliantly

executed campaign of misdirection. everyone was talking about the coming offensive in the south. it was going to be focused on kherson, cutting off the crimean peninsula. by the way, that was moving forward, but that was all the ukrainians were talking about, meanwhile, they were preparing for this strike in the north and in the east. secondly, you're really seeing now the heavy heavy impact of the western equipment going into this. that is very significant, and then thirdly, the -- the moment at which the russian troops start to see the walls close in on them, you really feel that, you know, armies are like people. they get scared, they find themselves in moments when all of a sudden, all you want to do is turn around and run, and

these are russian troops, many conscripts among them, second tier. a lot of them had been killed, maybe 80,000 killed and wounded. this is not a red badge of courage moment. these troops are going to start rolling out. i think that's going to accelerate in the days ahead. so richard, there's obviously more help potentially on the way, a request for more aid from the u.s. this aid has obviously at least been helpful in terms of the ukraine's request and there are conservative groups pushing lawmakers to vote against that, so while that happens here, i'm curious what your reflections are from the latest news out of ukraine and how well they are doing from on the ground there. >> the obvious, you know, reality is the admiral was saying is they're doing well in this part of the country. it's still less than 1% of all the land russia occupies of ukraine. we have to be a little careful not to get too forward on our

skis. i think it's a little bit dangerous to extrapolate as much as we would like to for the military success in the kharkiv region to the rest of the country, odessa, crimea and the rest. we have a long ways to go. there's three months before winter. i think president zelenskyy was explicit at this meeting i was at, it's important to do things like this, to gain momentum. the feeling is this will help lock in european support. they're very worried if the europeans go through a dark winter, the winter of our discontent, as he described it, short of seeing military progress on the ground, they might become much more wobbly in their support of ukraine, so the lot of this is not military advance but shoring up support for western ukraine, getting them through a difficult winter where mr. putin is going to turn off the taps. that's one thing. my other take away from the trip, this is different from korean war that admiral

stavridis was referring to. after the united states and everyone was were pushed back by the north, we came in and liberated south korea and then we went north. and we went north of the 38th parallel, ultimately marched up near the yalu river, china entered the war. what happened is we expanded our war range and that became extraordinarily costly. what is going on in ukraine is the debate in which you see the war aims expanding. i was in a meeting, and people are talking about recovering every square inch of ukrainian territory. every square inch. they're talking about reparations, full economic reparations, full war crimes. any agreement signed by russia won't matter so long as mr. putin is in charge. we have to think about a post-putin relationship. what i'm saying is that part of the reaction to this military progress has been to raise ukrainian definition of victory or success. plus the war itself is so hard in ukraine. i went to bucha, you can't go

there and not be affected by what, you know, you see, and what happened there, and that, too, was really hard in ukraine. there is, mika, zero disposition to compromise right now. so this war is still going to go on and on and on. if anything, the diplomatic prospects are more remote than they've ever been. >> and you feel, joe, that disposition from zelenskyy all the way down to the common ukrainian citizen. >> you do. and of course you wouldn't want them talking about a negotiated settlement, giving up large swaths of their land, at the same time, obviously a time may come where both sides finally are exhausted and there will have to be compromises if this very long -- could be very long running war is to come to an end. katty kay, let's ask you about europe's resolve. richard brought it up.

mika actually brought up some hard right groups in washington, think tanks are starting to try to pressure republican lawmakers to vote against the next ukraine funding bill. that stands little chance of gaining much momentum right now. i think most republican leaders, elected leaders are firmly on the side of freedom, firmly on the side of pushing back against russian tyranny. what about europe? are you starting to pick up in your reporting and the bbc's reporting perhaps some hesitation in staying with ukrainians through the winter? >> the concern is going to be the winter, and whether the high gas prices put pressure on european governments. every european government is handling this slightly different. the uk, for example, is about to announce a big government package to try to limit the amount that ordinary residents are exposed in their energy bills.

the french are suggesting that there should be a turn down in heating so that they're capping the amount of heating and energy that's being used over the next few weeks. governments are intensely conscious of the impact of the high energy prices on the populations and the risk is that spills out in some kind of fracturing of the european alliance. we're not seeing it so far. so far they're managing to hold together. richard, he's just come back, but that is a concern. >> all right. we have other news that we're following this morning. we want to get to before we go to break. we'll be talking about this throughout the show. the palace has announced the schedule for the mourning period and the funeral arrangements for queen elizabeth ii. the queen will travel through scotland on a journey to her final destination of london. yesterday, the queen's body was transported to the palace of

holyrud house in edinburgh. the queen's body will remain in scotland until tomorrow when it will be moved to buckingham palace. on wednesday, the queen will be moved a final time to westminster. she will remain there lying in state until the funeral next monday. members of the public will be allowed to see the coffin and pay their respects during that time. and at the top, we played for you some of the king charles first address to parliament since taking the throne on friday. he made his first public address as king, paying tribute to his mother, the queen. and speaking to his new role as head of the british monarchy. >> i speak to you today with feelings of profound sorrow. throughout her life, the

majesty, queen, my beloved mother was an inspiration, an example to me and to all my family, and we owe her the most heartfelt debt any family could owe to their mother. queen elizabeth was a life, a destiny kept and she is mourned most deeply in her passing. that promise of lifelong service i renew to you all today, as the queen herself did with such unswerving devotion, i too now solemnly pledge myself throughout the remaining time god grants me to uphold the constitutional principles at the heart of our nation. and wherever you may live in the united kingdom, or in the realms and territories across the world, and whatever may be your background or believes, i shall

endeavor to serve you with loyalty, respect, and love as i have throughout my life. >> katty kay, for those who haven't followed the coverage of king charles iii since he was prince charles, the british tabloids have beaten him up pretty badly through the years, knocked him around. i must say, perhaps, i was taking those expectations into that speech and other speeches he's delivered over the weekend, but i've got to say, after watching that speech, i was very impressed at his ability to read the lines, to hit the marks, to play the role every bit as ably as an actor in "the crown." charles is far more impressive in that moment than i expected. what's the reaction in britain? >> yeah, i mean, the tabloid, you're right, in the past have beaten him up and he has given them to be fair, a certain amount of fodder with which to beat him up, but the reaction

over the course of the weekend to that speech and to the performance just now in parliament as well has been universally well received. there has been, as you might expect, joe, an outpouring of affection for the king because he has just lost his mother and because of his relationship with the queen who was so beloved herself. there's also separate from that, people have been impressed and it's been remarked on in the same tabloids that gave him a hard time have remarked on the speech he gave, the recorded address to the british public. this is a man who has lived his life being overshadowed. he was overshadowed by his mother. he was overshadowed by his wife diana, and overshadowed by his children, william and harry. for the first time, really, here is king charles stepping out into the spotlight and owning the spotlight himself. in these moments you see of him sitting in parliament, and addressing members of parliament, and all the pomp and

ceremony that surrounded the proclamation of him becoming king over the course of the weekend, with each one of those incidents, he appears to grow more comfortable with the role of king that he has waited so long for. no one else has had so much time to prepare themselves for becoming king. it's interesting to watch him becoming more comfortable with the mantle of monarchy. >> and we will be covering the funeral, the commemoration of queen elizabeth live from london in the coming days. other news now, members of the biden administration fanned out over the east coast, for memorial events marking 21 years since the september 11th attacks. haven't kamala harris and second gentleman doug imhoff paid their respects to the more than 2,600 people killed there that day, and more than 1,000 who have died in the years after after being exposed to dangerous

toxins in the pit. about 300 miles away, just outside shanksville, pennsylvania, first lady jill biden honored the 40 people killed when united airlines flight 93 crashed into a field there. the first lady was joined by her sister who is a flight attendant, and in washington, president biden mourned the close to 200 people killed when american airlines flight 77 struck the pentagon. there the president reflected on the way america united following the deadliest terror attack in world history. >> and amidst these dark days, we dug deep. we cared for each other. we came together. you know, we re-gained the light by reaching out to one another, and finding something all too rare, a true sense of national unity.

to me, that's the greatest lesson of september 11. >> hard to imagine, admiral stavridis, it's been 21 years ago. i was a young reporter, i was at ground zero in the days ahead and two decades on, the skyline doesn't look quite right, and it's a very hard day for many. let's have you weigh in on what the president said there, the national unity and purpose that came after the attacks. the world has changed a lot in 21 years. do you think the nation has it in us to summon that strength and resolve of unity again for that upcoming challenge, whatever that might be. >> having lived through 9/11 in the pentagon and i was on the side of the building that was struck by the aircraft, i actually caught a glimpse of the airplane. i was about 150 feet off the impact point, and in the immediate after math of that terrible moment, we were all trying to do whatever we could

until the heroes of the day showed up, the first responders. in that moment, jonathan, there really was a sense of not only we're going to come together, there was a sense of real purpose, and i would say real anger. what has happened here, we cannot let this stand, and so we went to war. to your question, which is the right one to ask, when you contrast almost a million dead in the pandemic and the way it has ridden the country and not brought us together, you can begin to feel perhaps we can't recapture that. i'm optimistic, and i think most americans are optimistic, and i point and i'll conclude here at the way in which the response to ukraine has really crossed party lines, what's the only city in the world, trivia question, that mitch mcconnell and the speaker of the house, nancy pelosi have

visited. that would be key. so we can do this, and i think our response to this kind of activity in ukraine and the horrors spoken about a moment ago can help unify us again. let's be optimistic as americans even as we look at a terrible day in our past. >> former nato supreme allied commander james stavridis, and richard haass, same question to you, do you think kyiv is ground zero for democratic values and of course your reflections on 9/11, 21 years later. >> well, 9/11, i was in ireland, i was literally in the office of the prime minister, the u.s. envoy to the northern ireland peace process. we got the words of the first attack, watched the second plane on television went out and did television, and that night i traveled to belfast, the city in my generation was synonymous with the word terrorism, and you

know, it was just a -- it just felt in congress, and i remember speaking to colin powell about how we needed to respond and so forth, and that was, you know, that day. here we are 21 years later, i would like to agree with jim stavridis, i think it's tough for now. i think it's tougher in part because of social media, the suspicion, the conspiracy theories. i think it's harder to bring the country together. i don't think crisis is quite the automatic glue or motivator in our society that it used to be. i think we've learned that. that said, all sorts of things still matter. leadership matters, religious leaders matter, parents matter. the society can come together, i think we have to understand it's not automatic. we can't be passive. if he want the society to come together, we have to come together top to bottom. >> participate in it. >> good things happen when good people work together to make that happen, and that's from leadership at the top, and we were lucky on 9/11 that george w. bush rose to the occasion, i

think joe biden has risen to the occasion on ukraine, but also from the bottom, i think all of us have a role to play, and that to me is the big lesson of 9/11. we're going to turn now quickly to sports over the weekend, the 2022 u.s. open is in the books with carlos alcaraz winning the men's championship last night, the 19-year-old from spain defeated norway's casper ruud in four sets for his first grand slam title, the youngest to ever be number one in the atp rankings. on the women's side, top ranked iga swiatek earned her third major title, the first at the u.s. open in a straight set victory over ons jabuer, she's polish. >> the undefeated new york giants. >> oh, my goodness. >> what is this. he thinks he's the golf report and now the football reporter. >> just saying.

you won't be able to say that for long, and i just wanted to get it in there. >> you got it in, richard. >> it's a rare moment. still ahead on "morning joe," former president trump and the justice department have each proposed candidates to serve as special master and the review of documents seized from mar-a-lago. nbc's ken delainon joins us for the latest on that. >> and president trump throwing out a lawsuit against hillary clinton and former officials. we'll take a look at the judge's scathing ruling. also this morning, president biden will give an update on his cancer moonshot initiative. it comes on the 60th anniversary of former president john f. kennedy's famous moonshot speech. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.

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29 past the hour, a live look at washington and a foggy morning. time to get up. both the justice department and lawyers for former president donald trump submitted a list of candidates to serve as a court-appointed third party or special master to examine the documents seized during the fbi's search of mar-a-lago last month. the doj is suggesting two former federal district judges, barbara jones is a clinton employee, and thomas griffith who is a george

w. appointee. the other former deputy attorney general in florida, paul huck jr. as the justice department gave aileen cannon until thursday to restore the documents seized at mar-a-lago, otherwise the doj says it plans to appeal to a higher court in the interest of national security. let's bring in nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian, and ken, how long can they go back and forth disagreeing on who the special master is, and can this doj appeal overrule all of that? >> good morning, mika. it could, and today is an important day because the judge has given the trump side until 10:00 a.m. this morning to respond with a brief to the justice department's appeal and their request that she stay part of her order. in terms of the special master, it's really interesting. there were three sort of noncontroversial candidates, former federal judges and there's one that the trump side put forward, paul huc, who is

not a former judge, his wife was appointed to the 11th circuit by president trump, the circuit that would hear any appeal in this case, so a lot of legal experts are saying he has a conflict of interest, but the other person put forward by the trump side, raymond deery, some are saying they should take that name. he's a respected former federal judge in new york. you're absolutely right. at the end of the day, the special master situation could become moot because what the justice department made clear is what they care about here are the hundred classified documents they seized at mar-a-lago. they disagree with the special master idea, but they're willing to allow a special master to review the thousands of other documents seized, including trump's health records and tax records, but they argue that these 100 classified documents should not be viewed by a special master. they're already in a special room right now, and they're saying that it's a matter of national security that they need

access to those right now as part of their fbi investigation, and the damage assessment that the dni was doing into weather sources and methods were compromised. that's on hold right now because of this judge's order. we await the trump side's response to that at 10:00 a.m. >> good morning, it's jonathan. a question i've received a lot in the last month is one i'm going to pose to you. we know that the fbi searched this property. donald trump of course has lots of other properties and people are wondering, why hasn't there been a search at bedminster, trump tower, why hasn't there been one at other golf courses across the country. walk us through what would require how that would happen, how doj would give the okay, what they would need to give the okay to do one of these other searches and is there any suggestion that they're working on it. >> it's a great question, jonathan, and obviously we don't know the inner workings of this investigation, but what's

required is more than just a theory that some evidence might be at a place. they need actual hard evidence and in the case of this mar-a-lago search, they had witnesses who were telling them that not only was there classified information there, but that they were misled, they were lied to essentially by the trump side, and that's all blacked out in the affidavit, but we're aware that it exists, and they used that to go to a judge and say, judge, we need to do a search. a search is a very intrusive thing. you're trampling someone's fourth amendment rights for good reason. you have evidence of a crime at this location. absent that, like, for example, there's a social media theory going around. there's some video of trump aides loading boxes on to a private jet heading for bedminster, and i have to say, i mean, when i first saw that on twitter over the weekend, i thought, oh, another conspiracy theory. the more you look at it, the more it's pretty disturbing. the banker boxes are the same kinds of boxes that the classified documents were found

in. absent any other kinds of evidence, they would need witnesses telling them, yes, there were classified documents in the boxes and they were taken to bedminster. they're not just going to do it based on a video or a theory, jonathan. nbc news justice correspondent ken dilanian, thank you very much. time for a look at the morning papers. in maine, "the portland press herald" reports that portland public schools have seen a significant increase in chronic absenteeism since the onset of the covid pandemic. according to a new report, nearly 25% of students missed at least 10% of school days last year. that is more than a 5% jump compared to student absentee rates four years ago. "the atlanta journal constitution" writes that a georgia man pardoned by former president trump is suing the state to reclaim all of the restitution money he paid as part of his sentence.

john duncan fordham, a former pharmacist spent four years in federal prison after a health care fraud conviction. he was ordered to return $1 million to the state and insurance company he defrauded. at the time of his pardon in january 2021, fordham had already paid more than $500,000 in restitution. to "the arizona republic" which leads with the rise in police shootings in the state's capital. new figures show the number of shootings involving officers of the phoenix police department so far this year has exceeded the department's total for all of 2021. the department has so far reported three more shootings compared to last year. the figures also show an increase in violent crimes in phoenix. which has spiked nearly 3%, compared to 2021. let's go to kentucky. "the lexington herald leader"

reports that health leaders have issued an advisory for residents to limit their fish intake in lakes and rivers due to contamination by chemicals linked to cancer and other health problems. the chemicals have been found on fish tissue from several waterways in the state. kentucky joins a number of other states with advisory limits on eating fish due to the chemical including michigan, maine, and new york. and in new jersey, "the record" reports that housing advocates are leading a renewed push to kill the one time real estate payment known as the broker's fee. the push comes amid reports of egregious brokers fees with some as high as $20,000 for rent stabilized apartments. the must read opinion pages are next, including a piece in the "new york times" calling out republicans who stay silent about trump's big lie that the election was stolen, and an editorial from "the las vegas sun" that takes a look at queen

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welcome back to "morning joe." it's 42 past the hour. a live look at buckingham palace where the country is preparing to say good-bye to their queen. let's look at the must read opinion pages. the "wall street journal" editorial board writes about the ukraine taking the offensive, saying, quote, ukraine's counter offensive against invading russian forces is an important turn in the war. though not without peril as vladimir putin calculates how to respond. in less than a week, ukrainian

forces have retaken some 3,000 square kilometers from the russian invaders. that's more ukrainian territory than russia has seized since april. ukraine's advances raise the stakes for putin. the russian is capable of anything. he could engage nato forces in some fashion that he would blame on the west and use to justify a military draft. russia's use of chemical and tactical nuclear weapons also can't be ruled out. and, joe, that's sort of the moving part here. russia doesn't seem to have any limits or boundaries to what they would do. and there's, right now, the concern about a nuclear explosion given the fighting happening so near to a nuclear power plant. >> well, i mean, that's what's so important to recognize right now that there are apparently some boundaries that vladimir

putin is containing himself within, even though he has committed war crimes since the beginning of this war. there is a possibility, richard haass, of nuclear or biological or chemical weapons being used against the ukrainians. there's a possibility of a draft. there are many possibilities, more things even though, again, what he's done thus far has been heinous, he still has more options, even more bleak options to unleash on the ukrainian people. so that's why when you tell me about this no holds barred attitude regarding any negotiations, any talks coming from the ukrainians it does cause a concern because i'll say now what we said at the beginning of this war, you know,

it's in the best interest of ukraine, the best interest of russia. the best interest of europe, the best interest of the world for this fighting to stop, and of course it has to be done in a way that respects the wishes of the ukrainian people. at the same time there needs to be a realistic path out of this war, and it doesn't sound like right now either side, based on your reporting, that either side is prepared to do that. >> that's exactly right, joe. the situation is not set up. it's not ripe. ukrainians are not inclined to compromise, and putin, i think is worried that if he settles for too little, if he compromises, it will be seen back at home as a sign of weakness and who knows what a sign of weakness might lead to. i think the most likely situation is he digs in. he could also escalate in all the ways you just talked about. either target selection, sending more forces, introducing

chemical or nuclear. he's got a range of options. and he also thinks that time is on his side. that's why again, this winter, you're going to see enormous pressure on european governments, and one thing we didn't talk about is the ukraine economy is hurting, down almost 30%. currency is down a quarter against the dollar. inflation is over 20%. again, ukraine needs significant economic help, and i think what putin is basically counting on is he can bear pain better than either europe or ukraine. i'm not sure that's right, but that's why, again, i don't think either side is inclined to make any near term compromises. let's look at what the las vegas sun editorial board is saying, queen elizabeth's legacy is a lesson for all of us, even in america. quote, while there are many fair critiques of her leadership and actions, queen elizabeth ii modeled how a symbolic leader can shape society by balancing the interests of stability and

conservative tradition with the need to evolve and improve to meet current realities. there are lessons the u.s. could benefit from. there is a time for tradition and decorum. there is a time for non-conformity and breaking with tradition. but in all things, we should carry ourselves with dignity and steady composure. and, joe, she certainly did. >> when i think of the queen, i actually think of russell kirk and a book that i've had for decades called the conservative mind, and russell kirk, of course, was a conservative thinker that led to bill buckley. but kirk wrote both the impulse to improve and the impulse to conserve are necessary to the healthy functioning of any society, whether we, he's speaking of conservatives, join

our energies to the party of progress or the party of perm in accordance must depend upon the circumstances of the time. and katty kay, that is something that queen elizabeth ii constantly was weighing, and that looking back over 70 years, she did pretty darn well. >> it's the notion of changing in order to stay the same. and that is where she changed when she felt that it was necessary to do so in order to protect the monarchy. her whole life was really dedicated to protecting this institution that she was thrust into, not by choice, not actually by birth, she had not been destined to be queen, and yet her whole life was really revolved around the premise that he was going to protect the monarchy. she almost saw it not as herself, but as an institution that she was protecting and that's why she did it so

ferociously, and as you said, joe, i think she did it really well. that is what brits are celebrating this week. i think that is why we have seen this outpouring, perhaps unexpected outpouring of universal approval. >> universal. >> it is about the woman we are watching on the screen right now. >> absolutely is. that's a look at the must read opinion pages. we will have more later in the show. still ahead, football is back. we'll have the highlights, richard, from week one of the nfl, and if you have a fantasy league, you know the name matthew berry. he joins us next.

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burrow fires, intercepted. picked off at a pick six. lamar, winding up, going deep. touchdown. >> fields keeps it alive as a wide open pass, and now pettis down the sideline, and in. >> steep pressure on, gets rid of it, sideline throw, he's got terry, and that's a washington commanders touchdown. >> over the middle, how is he that wide open. jefferson again inside the 10, lunging for the end zone, touchdown. >> on second and ten on the blitz, loose ball, inside the 5, to the end zone, touchdown dolphin. >> under pressure, off hit, james bradbury has his first philadelphia pick, and it's a pick six. >> james the motion man.

shovel, barkley, breaks the tackle, dives in for two. >> those are some of the biggest scoring plays from winning teams on the first sunday of the nfl regular season. who would have ever believed the jets would actually lose. and then the sunday night game, a victory for the first 45-year-old starting quarterback in league history, tom brady and the buccaneers dominate the dallas cowboys, 19-3 in their season opener. the cowboys also lost their starting quarterback dak prescott, he's going to need surge for a fracture on the thumb on the throwing hand after injuring it in a pass in the fourth quarter. prescott is expected unfortunately to miss six to eight weeks. the fantasy football guru for nbc sports, matthew berry. he's part of "football night in america" and host of "fantasy football happy hour" on peacock. so great to have you here.

what are your take aways from the first week? >> i mean, first off, i think you mentioned it right there, that's the biggest story is dak prescott one of the stars of the league and a team that has super bowl aspirations losing their quarterback for two months, that's a big one, and obviously some of the upsets i think were surprising, the giants winning against the titans at home. gutty call there. the fact that the colts and texans tied. the steelers beating the bengals and joe burrow off a super bowl appearance last year, having five turnovers in a loss to the steelers. pretty crazy week one. >> hey, matthew berry, it's jonathan lemire, welcome to nbc. i have listened to you for years. my teams went 1-1 this weekend, and although i'm tempted to ask you questions about tom brady, i will not. instead, i will talk about another superstar quarterback,

one who didn't make many headlines this off season, patrick mahomes, are chiefs, the bills the best two teams in football, and look for them to rematch in january? >> certainly it's early, week one, but when you have a great quarterbacks, that's a good start. to your point, sometimes someone like tyreke, he's a very talented player but it opens the offense. suddenly the quarterback doesn't have to feed just tyreek hill. andy reid is as good a play caller as there has been in the history of the league. josh allen put on a display in the rams home, the super bowl champion rams just absolutely in los angeles on thursday night.

those two teams, i think, are certainly along with the buccaneers and tom brady, make no mistake, the bucs despite being down a couple of guys, and injuries on the offensive line, dominated dallas on sunday night. >> please, please, don't encourage lemire anymore than he's encouraged it talk about brady all day. fantasy football expert for nbc sports, matthew berry, thank you so much, great having you with us, and richard haass, enjoy your one week, things will get worse for the giants. >> oh, joe, come on. saquon barkley, player of the week, give him some love. after six months of war, ukraine makes major strategic gains as moscow's army retreats. retired u.s. army general barry mccaffrey joins us with his analysis of where things stand right now. and former ambassador to russia, michael mcfaul will join us with

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my lords and members of the house of commons, i am deeply grateful for the addresses of condolence by the house of lords and the house of commons, which so touchingly encompass what our late sovereign, my beloved mother, the queen, meant to us all. as shakespeare says of the earlier queen elizabeth, she was a pattern to all princes living. as i stand before you today, i cannot help but feel the weight of history which surrounds us and which reminds us of the vital parliamentary traditions to which members of both houses dedicate yourselves with such

personal commitment for the betterment of us all. >> king charles giving his first speech to parliament since becoming leader of the united kingdom. it comes amid a busy week of events to honor the late queen. katty kay is still with us. katty, i'm curious again, as we look at charles, obviously he's replacing someone who is irreplaceable, the queen victoria of her own age. the second elizabethian age. i'm curious, there has been of course some chatter about commonwealth countries, countries in the commonwealth trying to make decisions on whether they stay or depart. it seems that while there are protests, scattered protests and scattered voices of dissent, most seem like they want to stay. what is fascinating is that in

the reports i've read, even among activists who had been seeking to separate themselves from britain, still a respect in some cases, a love for queen elizabeth. >> yeah, all of the polling suggests in countries like canada, australia, where perhaps there has been some republican sentiment not yet enough to make them decide to leave the commonwealth, the kind of message was, look, until the queen goes, we're not going to make any decision because she is so popular in and of herself. as king charles was becoming king, announced it would hold a referendum, and they said this is no reflection on our love for her majesty the queen or any kind of criticism of king charles but it is something we are moving forwards and it will be held. i think king charles as we have to get used to saying, king charles iii will reign over a

different type of monarchy. his mother came to the throne in the 1950s, and she brought with her all of that sensibility of a country that had just come out of the second world war. it was at the end of empire. it had been a great empire. he comes in in the 2020s and great britain is a very different country. it is not the great power it was that his mother presided over. we're going to see what's called a slimmed down monarchy. it's basically going to be him and william and their spouses taking over the vast majority of the duties. and he recognizes that that is whatnot just the commonwealth countries want, but there's a call for that in the british public as well because it isn't queen elizabeth. she was so big in stature, diminutive in person, perhaps, but big in stature, and therefore the monarchy was big in stature with her, and to some respects, britain was big in stature around the world, in part, thanks to queen elizabeth. it's going to be a different

country now, and it's going to be a different monarchy. it has to be. meanwhile, there is major news in eastern europe. ukrainian citizens celebrating with soldiers following a major victory in areas that were under russian control, and one of our next guests says the liberation should have world leaders preparing for a ukraine victory in this war. jonathan lemire is also still with us, and joining the conversation we have, msnbc contributor, mike barnicle. we're going to start with ukrainian forces claiming major victories on the battlefield. after recapturing large parts of territories in eastern ukraine. local officials say ukrainian troops on saturday took back the strategic city of izyum and areas around the country's second largest city kharkiv, forcing russian forces to retreat. russia initially claimed it was pulling back to regroup. however, moscow yesterday

acknowledged that it had lost nearly all of the northern parts of kharkiv. ukraine's commander in chief says their forces have retaken more than 1,000 square miles of land since the counter offensive began the beginning of the month. that is more area than russian forces have captured in all of their operations in ukraine since april. videos from kharkiv yesterday showed local residents celebrating and hugging ukrainian troops. analysts say the fast moving ukrainian offensive shows that the tide of the war is shifting. "the new york times" reports russia's performance has prompted discontent among pro kremlin bloggers and staunch vladimir putin loyalists creating new challenges for the russian president. joining us now, retired army four-star general barry mccaffrey, an nbc news military analyst. also with us, staff writer at

"the atlantic" anne a applebaum >> i what's your take away? >> it's a remarkable turn of events. the ukraines managed to achieve near total operational security, achieved a strategic surprise on thinned out russian forces, and it looks as if many of these russian tactical units have literally come apart are fleeing in chaos, leaving behind masses of equipment, prisoners, ammunition, just astonishing. most of this is the courage and tenacity of the ukrainian fighting units, but it also reflects $17 billion worth of security support to the ukrainians, and more than a decade, i might add, of training, u.s. training,

primarily by the u.s. national guard that built an ngo core and some first rate tactical leaders, so it's an astonishing turn of events, a fleeing army must be pursued relentlessly. the question will now be do the ukrainians have the resources and the power to continue the process of unraveling these russians, and also note the primary focus of the war must be achieving recapture of the kherson pocket in the south to protect the black sea ports, primarily odessa, without which ukraine can't exist as a country, so remarkable good news, the coming week will be crucial to understanding. >> you know, and the general talked about the astonishing achievements of the ukrainian army, and talked about their courage and tenacity, talked about the billions of dollars of

aid that was poured in, contributing to it. talked about u.s. training that was contributing to it. but also another thing that contributed to it is the fact that the russian units cut and ran. what should we take away from the fact that they didn't stay and fight, anne. so this is something that was said to me by the deputy commander of the ukrainian army in kyiv on saturday. we thought they were going to fight back, and they did not fight back. and that for ukrainians has been the biggest surprise of the war, and what i think it illustrates is something we have known all along which is that the ukrainians are fighting for their own country, for their land, for their very existence as a nation. most of these russian soldiers are fighting for their salaries. they don't want to die for some mystical idea of empire that's in vladimir putin's head or some version of history that none of them really believe in anymore, and when they really believe the ukrainian army is coming, they

flee. and you saw the photographs of the extraordinary amount of equipment they left behind. you know, tanks, guns, everything else. and i think it's -- what's really interesting about this is not just the amount of territory that's been taken back, but this behavior of the russians suddenly puts into question the rest of the occupation, so how much, you know, how will russian troops behave elsewhere in ukraine. how indicative is this of the whole occupation, and suddenly, the war begins to look very different. >> general, looking at the battlefield, we have seen a litany of logistical failures, military failures, strategic failures by the russian army, but could you speak to what anne applebaum was talking about, the inability of one particular force to have the will to fight and the importance on the battlefield of the will to fight. >> no question, and look, i think we ought to remind

ourselves, soldiers don't actually fight and die for any logical reason or for grand national purpose. they die for each other. the company commanders, ncos, so what has been surprising throughout this conflict when the ukrainians rolled up the russian north of kyiv, the current ongoing fight in the south where the ukrainians are striking deep using hymars rockets the discipline of the russian army at the battalion level isn't there. it's just astonishing. these soldiers are drunk, stupid, ill trained. they left units without transport as they started to flee out of the encirclement up northeast of kharkiv. it's really astonishing to see the low quality, not just of the privates but of the tactical directions, and now we've got

some astonishing russian state tv showing language that i have never heard them use so far in this conflict. some political dissent from elected officials inside russia. so this is a fragile situation for the russians. putin has put himself in a terrible box. his military is not up to what he asked it to do. it's katty kay. congratulations on the award you received from president zelenskyy. i know you were in kyiv over the weekend. i would love to hear more about that and what it was like meeting him for services that you've done to ukraine. what was your sense when you were there in kyiv this weekend, how are they feeling, not just about this offensive that they've just launched but about european commitment, about weapons supply still coming from europe, what was your sense of the mood in the president's

office? >> so i think the attitude towards the battlefield is something i would describe as cautious elation, so they're very very excited. mostly because of what i just said, because of the lack of resistance, which they didn't really genuinely didn't expect. but i also think that there's a, you know, there's an awareness of the big tasks to come, all of them understand that the russian tactics now are really not just about ukraine, they're about europe. they're about wearing down the europeans, trying to convince people not to support them. i have to say, one of the other people who were in kyiv this weekend was the german foreign minister, and she was as clear as she could be about german support for the war, for the ukrainians, including military support for the war, and, you know, we're hearing that over and over and over again from european leaders and i don't feel right now this kind of crack or break or weakness that the russians seem to be

expecting. and of course the good news from the ground, the news from around kharkiv will help reinforce that. i mean, i think, of course europeans are worried about whether their homes will be heated this winter, but i think there is beginning to be finally a broader understanding of the nature of this war and the significance of it and i think that is reflected in the conversation in kyiv, too. so they don't seem to be worried. the ukrainians are not worried about losing support. >> and just on a really quick side note, can you help us better understand the germans' participation in this. they're accused by the ukrainians repeatedly of being all talk, very little action. there are tanks, other weaponry that could be used in ukraine, but again, the ukrainians for the most part claim that german leaders have been talking a big game but have not followed through as much as they should. what can you tell us about that?

>> some of that is mythology, there are german weapons on the ground. there's also enormous german financial support for ukraine, which is less visible but is also very important, but i do think there is inside germany still some deep disagreements about the nature of the war and about what the future relationship with russia will be. and some of the slowness of delivery reflects that. so it's an ongoing process. >> general, i'll ask you the same question about the germans, also the ukrainians have expressed some concerns about the french. obviously macron sees himself as the great peacemaker, and he's caused great frustration there. have the german and the french been steadfast allies of the ukrainians? >> well, look, there's no question the germans essentially disarmed their nation once the soviet union came apart. i mean, it's just appalling, their naval and air power are

basically inoperable. their ground forces went to a minimal status, 300 tanks instead of 5,000, so the germans really backed completely out of the power equation and accepted economic dependence upon russia. now they got to turn this thing around, and it looks like they're going to do it, but at the end of the day, nato has come together in an astonishing manner, not just, you know, adding finland and sweden, but the power of nato has clearly been committed long term to confronting and protecting the east in particular the baltic states, poland, romania from further russian aggression. so putin's in trouble. they can talk all they want about they're fighting nato, they're fighting america, there's massive foreign advisers, all of that is nonsense. at the end of the day, substantial, billions of dollars

of u.s. support and nato support have given them the tools for the ukrainians to achieve what may be the beginning of the unraveling of the russian forces in ukraine. >> wow. retired army four star general barry mccaffrey and the atlantic's anne applebaum, thank you both very much for your insights this morning. to the mar-a-lago search, the justice department and lawyers for former president donald trump submitted a list of candidates to serve as court appointed third-party or special masters to examine the documents seized during the fbi's search of mar-a-lago last month. the doj is suggesting two former federal district judges, one a clinton appointee, the other a george w. bush appointee. the trump legal team is suggesting a retired federal district court judge, a reagan employee, and a former deputy

attorney general in florida. meanwhile, a federal judge in florida has thrown out former president trump's sprawling lawsuit against hillary clinton, several former fbi officials, and more than two dozen others. trump tried to argue that clinton and some of his other perceived political enemies spread false information that his 2016 campaign colluded with russia. in a scathing 65-page ruling, the judge wrote what the lawsuit lacks in substance and legal support, it seeks to substitute with length, hyperbole, and the settling of scores and grievances. the judge went on to write, trump is seeking to flaunt a 200 page political manifesto outlining his grievances against those that have opposed him and this court is not the appropriate forum. a lawyer for the former president says trump and his team disagree with the judge's

ruling and will move to appeal the decision. reacting -- >> lots of luck, mika. lots of luck on appealing that decision. you saw what charlie savage said this weekend, right. >> looking at it right now, "the new york times" national security and legal reporter, charlie savage tweeted quote, i am hard pressed to recall ever reading a judicial opinion that is more scourging than how the judge wrapped up his dismissal of trump's lawsuit. it's like the i award you no points and may god have mercy on your soul clip from billy madison. that's pretty good. that was finished quickly by the judge. still ahead on "morning joe," is china losing the technology arms race, why china struggles and a key move by the biden administration may have put the u.s. ahead in what's being called a tech cold war. we'll have that, you're watching

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years. the president is also expected to sign an executive order that would ensure the u.s. creates cutting-edge cancer detection technologies. in addition, biden will announce the new director of a new agency dedicated to biomedical innovation for all americans. biden's remarks come on the 60th anniversary of jfk's moon shot address. mike barnicle, this is so near and dear to the president's heart. >> huge priority for the president. huge priority. he's going to be giving this speech at the john f. kennedy library this afternoon, late this afternoon. i know he's been thinking about giving this speech for years, actually, literally years, and trying to move the government, federal government towards spending more money, more research into eventually doing something that every american, every citizen in the world would be behind, finding a cure for cancer. now to a new piece for insider, which highlights

china's difficulties in keeping pace amid the global semiconductor chip arms race, and how its desperation could make beijing even more dangerous. let's bring in the author of that piece, insider columnist, linette lopez who covers politics, economics, and international markets, and reading from your piece, quote china has spent billions of dollars to catch up to the most elite chip makers over the past few decades, a race that has intensifies under president xi jinping, but development has stalled. right now a trip cannot be made without contributions from all over the world, chemicals from germany, machines from japan and the netherlands, packaging and testing in china and malaysia. the supply chain is the product of globalization, trust and free national markets. the most advanced chips, the smallest chips with the most

processing power require extremely specialized knowledge to design and manufacture. the bulk of these cutting edge chips are designed by u.s. companies and manufactured in taiwan and south korea. experts have told me that without trust in cooperation from the rest of the world, especially the u.s. and its east asian allies, it's nearly impossible to make breakthroughs in semiconductor technology. china is stuck behind the very countries that have become its main adversaries, but the stakes are too high for beijing to give up, so where does this go? >> china has a strategy that it's going to continue to try to implement, and by hook or by crook, stealing intellectual property, whatever it takes, it will try to get as far as it can in this semiconductor chip race. now, the smallest semiconductors that make the most advanced computers that we deal with from our military to our personal use

are manufactured mostly in taiwan. they're what is known as three nanometers, china claims to be making something like seven nan meters, we haven't seen that but the advances they have made is impressive for a country whose program has been going for 20 some years. washington woke up to this a couple of years ago, and realized the chinese have a strategy and we simply don't. so what washington started doing is putting up all of these expert controls so that our intellectual property could not go to chinese companies, and that is beginning to have an effect. it basically destroyed huawei, you might remember huawei, the huge chinese telecommunication giant that the justice department accused of working with north korea and basically decided we're not dealing with huawei anymore and now the company is on its knees. the united states and allies are

going to keep doing that with the semiconductor industry. it's not a done deal it will work, and it's not a done deal with le advance as much as we need to. we are looking to move more things home so they're not in such a dangerous part of the world because we need this technology for literally everything. from our cars to our dish washers, to, i mean, there's nothing more important than this as one of my sources told me, and we're just getting in the game and realizing how far the chinese are willing to go and realizing how little strategy we have. >> so the obvious question is why are we so far behind? the president was in ohio last week. they're going to build a manufacturing plant for chips. americans take chips for granted whether it's on your phone, we don't realize the importance of chips. what is the immediate future for america, the united states of america getting back in in game in conjunction with perhaps other countries in the east

asian realm, like vietnam, malaysia, what's the immediate future for us to play catch up baseball here? >> well, we passed the $250 billion chips bill which basically throws money into the sciences but doesn't necessarily direct where the money goes. it kind of creates a nice well, a foundation. what we're going to have to deal with in washington is whether americans are okay with having some kind of industrial policy here. we are not the kind of people who like that kind of thing. we like the free market to be able to do what it does. but we have to understand as a country that we cannot not have a strategy. we need a strategy. we're working with the taiwanese to bring some of the advanced semiconductor manufacturing here to the united states, but taiwan understands that the fact that they're able to make the most cutting edge chips is what they call the silicon shield. it protects them, and they're

very obviously scared of an attack from china which still claims taiwan. the united states is going to have to work delicately with its partners to not offend one but to also just bring more of this home. >> insiders linette lopez, thank you very much for your reporting this morning and your analysis. we appreciate it. joe. yeah, katty kay, just generally talking about the chinese, there finally were some stories last week that suggest, and i think this has been one of the most under reported stories over the past year that china, economically, china politically is very brittle. very fragile. we have been talking about the rise in china that's going to overtake us for the past 20 years, like we said the same thing about japan and the late 1980s. you look at the disastrous zero covid policy that they've had there, how it's wrecked them in many ways economically. you look at how they destroyed

hong kong as this vibrant economic hub, the economic hub of asia, how xi has aggressively gone after their most gifted entrepreneurs, how most westerners that i talk to who couldn't wait to get into china ten years ago don't want to go now for a variety of reasons. it is really striking, is it not, that while china is an economic behemoth, they seem to keep getting in their own way, especially in this technology fight. >> there are two conversations going on with china at the moment. you're right, the one you're hearing and particularly i'm hearing that from american business leaders who say that the climate for investing in china and trying to tap into the chinese consumer market, for example, has just got so much harder, she has made it much harder for u.s. companies to have a presence in china. the supply chain has been messed around by covid, the zero covid

policy has been a disaster. you've still got massive chinese cities that periodically go into the kind of lockdown that we had here right at the beginning of covid and haven't seen since. there are a lot of economic problems and with that you've seen slower growth. you've also then got a national security question which is slightly different, which is with that brittle economic situation, and almost no communication at the moment is my understanding between senior chinese officials and senior american officials on a regular basis all between senior american business officials and chinese officials. the kind of lines of communication are very fraught at the moment. there just isn't much going on. and the concern amongst the national security side is does this result in some kind of nationalist backlash by the chinese, do they try to recoup some of their, you know, standing at home by doing something like launching an invasion or an attack against taiwan or something in the south

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unruly torrent 2008-2020." i wanted to focus on one part in particular, you write about the supreme court and how it's viewed by the public now, it's become seemingly much more of a political animal than certainly the founders had conceived of it, and i want to get you to talk about, especially what you've -- how you see that happening in the wake of the past year with the abortion rights where the supreme court seems out of step where poland suggests the majority of americans are. >> the supreme court is supposed to be out of stop with the majority. the supreme court is not a majority institution. a written constitution is a counter majority undertaking. the supreme court is supposed to construe the law, not satisfy public opinion. what the course did of course in the dobbs case, the abortion,

overturning roe v. wade was restore, restore is the operative word, this important social issue to democratic debate, and i think the great many of democrats and progressives resented this are rethinking this in light of the fact that the robust debate is really serving the political process and in some cases, serving the ends of the progressives at this point. >> george, you've had a marvelous career, nearly as long as queen elizabeth's tenure, actually, but i want to ask you, over the years in coverage, up to today, is there any element of today's republican party that you can fasten on to and say, yes, it's the same today as it was in 1974? >> well, there are some republicans like that. i haven't been a republican for more than six years now, but there are mitch daniels, for example, who i will continue to

say is the president we should have had. doug ducey of arizona, sununu, governor of new hampshire, there are a lot of people out there who were in the small government free market tradition, and i think the republican party will regain its voice. >> when? >> well, let's suppose mr. trump runs. someone is going to challenge him, and the first person who does is going to be joined by a half dozen others. that's the problem. if you have mr. trump on stage with six other people, he has a solid 30, 35%, and he wins. so the primary system and the nominating process in this country rewards intense compact often shrill and extreme minorities. >> we are talking with george will, and you are watching live coverage, now king charles has

landed in scotland, leading a procession toward st. giles' cathedral where they will celebrate the queen's legacy at a thanksgiving service. we will be following these as our conversation with george continues. joe. >> george, i quoted russell kirk this morning talking about queen elizabeth, and you know, kirk, which is like burke, just, well, like you as well, had written greatly at length about the importance of consistency, of convention, of the constitution. and i must say, i remain distressed when i talk to many of my former not only colleagues but supporters, friends, even people who work for me who will

regurgitate qanon conspiracy theories, conspiracy theories about anthony fauci, about medicine, about science, about stolen elections, about italian satellites. you name it, it seems that our former party, my tribe is transfixed by conspiracy theories and have moved in many cases unfortunately to a post-fact world. let me ask you why, what was it about our party, what was it about the conservative movement that led so many this direction? and how could they have been so open to a huckster like donald trump? >> there's a small number of

americans who only feel alive when they're angry. i don't think most americans are angry. i think they're exhausted and they are longing for a restoration of normality. joe biden's great unforced error was not to realize this. instead he embraced the conservative, the progressive agenda of progressives who have never embraced him. he endorsed basically the agenda of the elizabeth warren, bernie sanders wing of the party that got only one in three votes in the democratic nomination scramble of 2020. someone is going to come along in either party and say deep breath, america, calm down, we are not enemies, we must not be enemies to take a line from lincoln's great first inaugural address, and that person is going to be embraced by the country because most americans are not tuned into this stuff. most americans are raising children, going on with their lives. >> but joe asked you about these republicans and what has

happened to them, and, i mean, you had some things to say about joe biden, and the question is about these republican leaders in power right now who can't seem to quit him, who still bow to a huckster. >> and i've got to say, george, more disappointing to me, friends, family members, most of the people who voted for me in 1994 when i was very clear about being a small government conservative, very clear about where i stood on issues. there is nothing that donald trump is saying that remotely reflects where you were or where i was. i'm trying to figure out why were they so open to this huckster who is not conservative? >> the answer to the why and to mika's question is they're afraid of their voters. that's the problem. it's a very interesting phenomenon, a political party

led by people who are terrified of their voters. if you're terrified of your voters you can't really like your voters very much, but they are afraid the only thing they have to fear is being primaried from the right, and they do not want to enrage the intense base and that makes them ineligible to talk to the broad middle. it's an old ax yum that american politics is healthiest when it takes place within the 40 yard lines and that's not where we are right now in the republican party. >> american happiness and discontents, the unruly torrent, 2008 to 2020 is out now in paperback. it will be available tomorrow. george will, thank you very much for coming on the show. it's great to see you. and still ahead on "morning joe," what president biden calls the greatest lesson of 9/11. we'll play you his comments marking the 21st anniversary of the terror attacks. plus, a new measure of the pandemic's impact on school

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harry. nbc news correspondent keir simmons has more from london. >> reporter:? london charles meeting representatives from commonwealth countries that count him as their king. recognizing his rule. lingering doubts put aside for now. >> god save the king. >> reporter: but he was declared the new monarch, some heard booing and a protester held a sign saying not my king. meanwhile, much of the talk is of his sons. reunited, william and harry and kate and meghan together in public for the first time in years and the public loved it. one well wisher sharing touching words ex changed with kate, the princess of wales, saying the 4-year-old said don't worry, grandmother is with great

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many con scripts among them, second tier. a lot of them have been killed, maybe 80,000 killed and wounded. this is not a red badge of courage moment. these troops are going to start rolling out, i think that is going to accelerate in the days ahead. >> it is the top of the third hour of "morning joe" and that was former nato allied commander james stavridis as the war seems to be at a major turning point with russian forces retreating once again. welcome back to "morning joe." it is monday, september 12th. jonathan lemire and katty kay and mike barnicle are still with us. we begin with the major developments in ukraine, where a ukrainian forces are continuing with their momentum this morning. getting more and more ground and liberating territories in the eastern part of the country.

the ukrainian army have advanced into additional 20 ukrainian towns and villages over the past 24 hours alone. megan fitzgerald has more. >> reporter: on the 200th day of war, ukrainians celebrating a surprising victory. soldiers breaking russia's milt strangle hold on parts of the country and reclaiming territory at lightning speed. >> we have to win and this counter offensive shows we can win. >> reporter: ukraine saying its forces have captured more villages. a total of more than 1100 square miles since launching the counter offensive two weeks ago. liberating 30 settlements mostly in the northeast. >> does this show that ukraine could win this war. >> this is not a year's long war. this is months. this is showing that the kraerngs have the ability to win this war. >> reporter: the russian military grip on kharkiv

crumbling. its soldiers retreating and leaving tanks and artillery behind. russia saying it is not fleeing, it is regrouping. overnight in what is seen as retaliation, russia attacking critical infrastructure, knocking out power leave several cities in total darkness. ukrainian firefighters rushing to put out flames at a power station. an the largest nuclear power plant at large reactor shut down as a safety messure as shelling hasn't stopped in weeks. >> the constant disconnection and reconnection to the power grid, this is really unsustainable for a safe operation of a nuclear power plant. >> are you concerned about a nuclear disaster? >> yes. it is literally playing with fire. >> nbc's megan fitzgerald with that report. and joining us now, pentagon correspondent for "the new york times," helene cooper is with

us. and former press secretary to president volodymyr zelenskyy, journalist lilia mendel. her new book is entitled "the fight of our lives, my time with zelenskyy and what it means for the world." welcome to the show. good to have you on. and joe, i just wonder what vladimir putin is thinking if he comprehends what is going on and what his next move will be. >> the second question is the most important. because he certainly understands. he's crushed liberal dissent in his country. but now it is the conservatives. it is the military, it is the very people who were pushing for this war the hardest who cheered him on the most are now being openly critical of him. on state-run television, on their telegram channels, these are, of course, dangerous times,

dangerous times not just for putin but also for the world because he has to have a next move. he will not simply retreat and accept that as the de facto reality in front of him. helene cooper, though i would love to hear your reporting on any pentagon insights that officials you've been talking to at the pentagon have given you on this unexpected, this stunning ukrainian route of russian forces? >> hi, joe. thanks for having me. it really is quite a route that we're witnessing. and even though american officials were expecting something, many of them who i have talked to were not expecting to go as well as it's done as quickly as its done.

ukrainians have taken all of kharkiv, all of the kharkiv region in the northeast and the russians continue, and this is sort of the song of this entire war, is how the russian military continues to spectacularly underperform. that is something that i think books and books will be written about in the future. where things go now is sort of anybody's guess. ukraine has a window of opportunity, the defense department officials say, between now and winter. you know that saying on game of thrones, winter is coming and that is a big deal and they've got about six weeks, one defense official told me last night, before the first snowfalls and that is a big deal because that is when vladimir putin will ramp

up the pressure on europe, he's going to turn off the gas and the electricity and things will get harder for the europeans who are backing the ukrainians and they want to show a big win between now and then. so this is a crucial point. i'm told it the nos correct to say everything we heard before about the southern offensive was afaint. but they're still trying to get back the south as well. >> so helene, we had general mccaffrey on this morning and as always it was hard to get him to state an opinion of the russian forces. he said they were drunk, stupid and ill-trained. and absolutely miserable. i remember, though, at the beginning of war, as the russian troops were moving tank divisions through towns and villages to get to the front, general -- former general mark

hertling was mocking their formations, saying you could look at these videos and see that this is an extraordinarily undisciplined fighting force. following up on what mika asks before about vladimir putin's next move. how does he not open up a general draft. how does he not expand the number and quality of forces that are fighting in ukraine? >> he is so put himself in a fix, joe. because opening up a general draft, a general popular mobilization means he's been lying to the russian people for the past six months. this is a special military operation. it is not that big of a deal. don't worry about it. look here. they're nazis or whatever. but opening up a general draft means he is going to have to acknowledge just how spectacularly his ukraine invasion has failed and that

gets things politically very difficult for him. so far he's kept a lid. but things are starting to crack now in russia. and whether this happens in a flood or whether this is just a trickle remains to be seen. but you alluded to this earlier yourself, your starting to see snippets of complaining and snippets of discontent in russia. how far that goes, i think we're all going to be watching. but to open up to a popular draft, for putin is extremely political difficult for him because he's going to then open up the flood gates on dissent. >> lilia, you could comment on what has already been said but you work directly with volodymyr zelenskyy and i'm wondering, given you worked for him for a good amount of time, if you're surprised to see that ukrainians are reclaiming territory. i should point out she's now working as a journalist.

but is this surprising, that they're taking back land that was taken from them? >> well ukrainians have definitely celebrated all of these developments because that is what we wanted to have. ukrainian people are very devoted to this fight and i'm talking to many people in occupied territories, believe they they are praying every day that ukrainian army comes and released, liberates them. again returns the territory. so for us, it was our pray, it is what we wanted and again our army is heros for everyone. so we are very devoted to return the ukrainian as it was before russian invasion. >> and how were the ukrainian people, you could describe houp -- describe how, in the beginning there was stories of old women handing sunflower seeds to the russian troops anz telling them to go to hell, quite frankly. how are they holding up after months and months of atrocities

and towns being leveled and destroyed and taken away. is the resolve still there. >> the fact that so many people are tied physically. we still have high morale. a lot of people stayed there because we believe in our country. we are patriots because we have to fight for and stand for. i was talking to so many devoted volunteers, people who supplied humanitarian aid and they want to victory. so we believe that the victory will be soon and we hope that before winter we'll have a lot of results and we'll kick the russians out of our land. >> we're talking with lilia mendel, former press secretary to volodymyr zelenskyy and helene cooper from "new york times" about the situation in ukraine. we're also following what is happening right now in scotland. there you see now king charles greeting people along the way.

there is a royal procession to st. giles cathedral where in the next hour or so a mass will begin. a thanksgiving service in memory of queen elizabeth. so we're following those developments. across the pond so to speak. all of the celebrations and commemorations and pomp and circumstance in memory of queen elizabeth who died at the age of 96. her funeral of course next week. will be heading to london for that. mike barnicle has the next question. >> helene, the big story the past two days is the collapse of the russian army within portions of ukraine. my question to you, is do you hear anything from within the walls of pentagon indicating that the top tier of the american military is in communication with the top tier of the russian military? are they talking? >> not much.

millie has spoken with general mark milley, has spoken with the general who is his russian counterpart. but that was several months ago. same thing with defense secretary lloyd austin who speak with sergei shogu who is the russian defense minister but that was a couple of months ago. there have not been a lot of phone conversations since then. there definitely, both millie and austin, are both talking to the ukrainian counterparts. but we still do not appear to be at the point where either side is ready for the negotiating table. the u.s. wants ukraine to win -- to win as much land, reclaim as much land as they can before they appear and sit down at any kind of negotiating table with

russia and ukraine certainly wants to do the same thing. nobody wants to -- but the problem is nobody wants to negotiate from a position of weakness. so for russia, it becomes quite difficult as well. this is -- we're definitely at this point now in uncharted territory because you know, i think we've all so underestimated the ukrainians and keep continuing to do so, even after they stopped the invasion in -- they beat the russians back from kyiv but nobody thought that they would be able to survive, you know, in the eastern part of the country. but the russian advance there was so slow by measured by feet in some cases a day, as opposed to yards, let alone miles. and now you see this ukrainian pushback is going, going at a lightning fast speed to the point that people in the

pentagon are even starting to say, and this i think is a long shot, but their bringing up the idea that crimea could be on the table. so, it is just -- i would never try to predict where this thing is going. but it is just, it continues to confound people. >> all right. the new book is the fight of our lives, ukrainian journalist lilia mendel, thank you for being on the show. and for "the new york times," helene cooper, thank you as well. and joe, we're watching king charles leading this royal procession in memory of queen elizabeth. the live coverage continues. >> katty kay, we've been having a split screen against hot war in russia and a fight against

russian imperialism and the procession of king charles iii arriving in scotland. give me your thoughts about what your seeing on the screen, what you've been seeing while we've been talking over past 15 minutes. >> i was listen toing that conversation and thinking about what is charles thinking about this now. because you know he has views. this is a man who actually works incredibly hard. he's known as a workaholic. he often stays up until midnight. and some staff think he should take a step back a bit. and he's very plugged into global events and well read. and the challenge for king charles now is that it won't be his position any more to express those views. and how do you go from somebody who for 73 years has said a lot of things about a lot of issues to now not saying things about issues and trying to persuade people that you are neutral. and that they should kind of

look beyond what you said in the past, and realize that now you are king. as he said himself, he fully understanding it is different to be the sovereign from being the prince of wales. we're watching him these days with all of these ceremonies full of pomp and pageantry, make that transition from his old life to his new role and it is fascinating to watch him go through it. now to go through it on camera. which we've never seen before. >> and what a contrast, katty, between the way queen elizabeth ii carried herself, with the detachment and not expressing every opinion in the age of instagram, in the age of tiktok videos and even charles crowd hammer in the early 1990s talking about the age of oprah. these are not -- the royals are not a group that are supposed to

betray their feelings. because they're supposed to remain neutral. and politically. and i go back, forgive me nor citing the crown, but i go back to that moment, that searing moment when young prince charles returns from schooling in wales and is dressed down for giving his opinion in a speech. and he said, people want to hear what i have to say. they want to hear what i think. and livy coleman said no, they don't. and it is the same lesson that she learned growing up as a princess. that they have to be the neutral arbiters. and everybody is always looking at them. and my god, entire articles,

entire chapters of books have been written about a raised eyebrow of queen elizabeth, or a curled lip of queen elizabeth, which she was around margaret thatcher or discussions of apartheid came. it is really remarkable, isn't it. >> you're so right. and neutrality is their superpower. it is what they have. and it is how they managed to bring their fractious king dom together. someone once told me a story about queen elizabeth. she was sitting in the chapel at windsor castle and completely inskrutible and if you couldn't tell if she was loving the concert or bored and hating the concert. and the royal observer said exactly there is her superpower. because every single person in the audience or watching on television, could project on to her themselves and that is how she did it and charles is going to have to learn to do that, in

sitting there before parliament and before whoever the next big group is that he addresses, exactly right now. he has to look neutral. and i think that is while also being human and she had this touch and she was human and funny and smile and made people feel at ease. it is quite a skill. >> we'll keep our eyes on scotland and the movement to the cathedral and the memorial service there. as we also turn now to the legal stories swirling around former president trump as the justice department's investigation into the classified documents found at mar-a-lago continues. former white house lawyer for president trump ty cobb said this is really about trump's role in the january 6 attack on the capitol. >> i think the president is in serious legal water. not so much because of the search. but because of the obstructive

activity he took in connection with the january 6 proceeding. i think the -- and the attempts to interfere in the election count in georgia, arizona, pennsylvania and perhaps michigan. >> who what think of the possibilities of an indictment for donald trump. >> i think they're very high. >> cobb who served during the mueller investigation also said trump's efforts to desertfy the 2020 election were criminal and would merit prosecution. >> having classified documents, particularly if you are actively using them, could be an offense well worthy of prosecution. >> sure. >> well worthy of prosecution. but if, as i suspect -- >> this is about january 6. >> yes. that it is about january 6. i think that is much different. think that was the first time in american history that a president unconstitutionally

attempted to remain in power illegally. >> again, spoken very clearly, jonathan lemire, by one of donald trump's former attorneys during the mueller investigation. and he just underlines the fact that there are so many different legal fronts, so many legal challenges facing donald trump. you have the grand jury in georgia which of course is going to be delayed until after the election in november. but he has much to worry about there because, of course, of the recordings of the calls with the secretary of state and the secretary of state's conclusion that he was trying to get him to rig the election. and throw out votes, same with the call from lindsey graham. but you not only have georgia, you now have these documents, these government documents that he still hasn't justified the seizing of. and then as ty cob said,

sedition. >> bless you. and there is more than that, joe. there is also the situation ongoing litigation in new york, the civil case into his business. which at moment does not name his personally but certainly if the business were to go -- have significant legal consequences he would suffer that as well. and of course there is also this ongoing -- new revelation that doj is also peeking at the trump stop the steal effort, after election 020, the tens of millions of dollars raised by trump and his allies for a cause that was knowingly false and of course not been spent. trump seems to have just pocketed that money. so there is questions about that as well. but of course at the forefront is what we're seeing at mar-a-lago. the need for the department of justice to get those documents back. and now the debate over the special master. yes, this likely also delayed until after the election. although there is every -- every move is being tracked right now for clues something else may be

happening. there is no doubt, whether it is in a few weeks or a few months, this is lig legal peril and those around him are nervous. >> you're not going to hear that kind of criticism from ty cobb from one of his personal attorneys. rudy giuliani has gone from being nope as america's mayor following the terror attacks on september 11th, to a conspiracy theory loving ally of former president trump involved in the efforts to over turn the 2020 election. joining us now, writer andrew kirtzman, author of a new book entitled "giuliani, the rise and tragic fall of america's mayor" and this is a question that many have been asking. you answer in the book, what happened to rudy giuliani. or was he always -- was he always, what is the wort that i

could use carefully, conflicted. >> he's a very complex figure. and i had the same question and that is why i wrote the book. what happened to giuliani. and the giuliani story is one of the great rise and fall stories of our time. i mean, he was the most famous prosecutor of the 1980s. arguably the most famous mayor of the 1990s. after 9/11 he was more beloved than the pope according to the polling. and i think the short answer to what happened is desperation. it was desperation for power, desperation for money and then when it all came crashing down when he had a humiliating experience in the 2008 presidential race, he became desperate to recapture his relevance and that led him to donald trump. and donald trump was his kind of ticket back to relevance. and think every giuliani disaster since then has been

attributable to that. it was his desperate need to keep donald trump in power, because trump was his meal ticket. >> his relevance. >> joe. >> andrew, you used to be able to trigger liberals by just calling rudy america's mayor and i did it often. i did it often after 9/11. and they hated it. the thing is, though, what rudy giuliani did, along with many, many other people, along with police commissioners, the nypd, and many other people in '93, '94, '95, '96. i've talked to people who don't like giuliani and never liked giuliani. talk about the turnaround of new york city. was nothing short of miraculous. and anybody who is in new york

in 1991, 1992 would agree to that. which is why, for people of a certain age, watching him debase himself constantly, humiliate himself constantly is so unsettling. >> it is painful. >> people remember september 11th and the aftermath. certainly some people were saying he was churchill-ian then. but again, turning a city around like new york, gep with the help of many, many people, it was a remarkable political achievement. >> it was. it was. and i was covering him as a city hall reporter back then. and the previous administration of david denkins starts with so much promise. the first black mayor of new york city and there is -- hopes were so high. and it turned out to be kind of a depressing experience.

he was kind offed by his good intentions while the city was falling apart. crime was skyrocketing, the streets were in disarray. giuliani comes along and has this kind of take no prisoners approach. incredibly decisive. mean-spirited, almost sadistic towards his enemies but effective. but one of the things i learned in the process of researching this book was how much giuliani created the template for the trump presidency. and trump was watching him very closely. and he was not very politically aware at the time. as a developer. and giuliani, his bombastic style made an enormous impression upon trump. aand if you speak to trump's aides even today they'll tell you that trump speaks about rudy giuliani with a respect and a

deference that he reserved for almost no one. and there is a very interesting symbiotic relationship between donald trump and rudy giuliani. >> andrew, would you agree with this assessment, and i've read large portions of the book, the money stuff, the intellectual and moral corruption, a lot of people get. but at this stage of his life is the trajectory downward to such an extent that basically we have rudy giuliani, who used to be rudy giuliani, the mayor of america, now he's just a sad pathetic figure waving his hands saying, please, please, notice me. notice me again. >> right. well it goes back to his desperation for relevance. in 2008 he was the front-runner for that race for a year. his race for president when the race started in 2008 lasted four weeks. he ended with one delegate

completely humiliated and since then it was -- it has been kind of a downward spiral ever since. the book i talked about this huge depression that giuliani endured after the 2000 races. the drinking started. how donald trump took giuliani under his wing and basically hid him out at mar-a-lago for a month and a half as giuliani kind of convalesced. and the relationship between giuliani and trump solidified just around then and even to this day he's kind of like the last true believer in what trump was doing in terms of the 2020 race. >> all right, the new book is entitled" giuliani." congratulations on the book and thanks for being on this morning. and still ahead on "morning joe," we're following the live

events in scotland. king charles is at the palace of holly roodhouse where his mother's body lies. he will then lead a procession to st. giles for a service of thanksgiving. we'll have a live report straight ahead. also ahead, clint watts is at the big board to break down ukraine's stunning surge. reclaiming more land in the last month than russia has taken since april. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. ight back. e dynamic charting and risk-reward analysis help make trading feel effortless and its customizable scans with social sentiment help you find and unlock opportunities in the market with powerful, easy-to-use tools power e*trade makes complex trading easier react to fast-moving markets with dynamic charting and a futures ladder that lets you place, flatten, or reverse orders so you won't miss an opportunity

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you were at the decision desk at fox news on election night and you called arizona early for president biden, which was controversial. how did you make that call? >> we already knew trump's chances were very small and getting smaller based on what we had seen, so we were able to make the call early. we were able to beat the competition. we looked around the room, everybody says yay, and on we go. and by the time we found out how much everybody was freaking out and losing their minds over this call, we were lrp trying to call the next state. we had moved on. >> what were the chances of president trump winning the election? >> after that point? >> yes. >> none. i mean, i guess you could -- it's always possible that you could have, you know, a truckload of ballots be found somewhere, i suppose. when we think about that margin,

you're talking about 1,000 votes, 1,500 votes at the way, way outside. normally you're talking about hundreds of votes, maybe 300 that will change. so the idea that through any normal process in any states -- remember, heed that to do it thrice, right. he needed three states to change, and in order to do that, i mean, you're at an -- better off to play the powerball. >> that was former fox news political editor chris stirewalt testifying in june before the june house select committee. we just learned that the january 6th committee will likely have their next committee hearing on september 28th from multiple sources. we'll be following that. chris stirewalt joins us now. he's out with an in-depth look at the news industry and where it's headed with a new book "called broken news: why the

media machine divides america and how to fight back." good to have you on the show. >> thanks for having me. >> chris, most of us, coming to our attention around this arizona call, i mean, come on, buddy, it was kind of tight. you were worried for a couple days, weren't you? >> no. absolutely not because we had the goods. we had a different system than our competitors did, and i won't bore you with it. you can have kornacki come on and explain exit polling versus the day that we had in our partnership with the associated press and the university of chicago. i woeptd do all of that. i'll just say we had a really good poll and a really good mouse trap in arizona, so we weren't worried about arizona. i was woried about the fact that the world was losing its mind talking about arizona and the anger, the rage you could feel splashing up against us from viewers who had been

flattered and told that their candidate would win no matter what the polls said. that was -- that's what worried me, not whether our call was right. i knew we had it. >> it reminded me a bit, the reaction to the call for arizona, where you had for a while fox news viewers going to other networks. they were so outraged that you actually made the right call. but it reminded me a bit about what happened in 2012 when fox news viewers and people that went to other conservative outlets heard time and again that mitt romney was going to beat barack obama. we remember the huge headline in that gallup poll that had romney way ahead. and because they lived in this ek co-system, they were stunned when romney lost. >> in the book i talk about distance travelled from audience

experience from 2012 to 2020. in 2012, when the fox news decision called ohio for barack obama, the fox news viewership didn't say wonderful, we're so pleased about this. of course they were upset and changed the channel, turned off the tv. that's fine. then they come back. you keep telling the truth and doing the right stuff and the viewers come back if you have a good product. what happened after 2020 was, and obviously the personnel, we had a different president, a different space, what happened after that was that voters over the previous decade or so had gotten so used to being told what they wanted to hear. like right now it's crucially important that democrats and republicans get an honest picture of what's going on in the midterm elections and crucially important that people understand how competitive races are, how competitive what's going on so when we get to the end, we don't have this shock experience. >> i really don't want to get into another network and talk

too much about another network. i want to ask you about roger ailes because he was one of the defining media figures of our time, of course painted as the worst of the worst even before the stories came up about the sexual harassment. but roger, during glenn beck's time on the network started getting nervous and calling people up, called me up, and said, hey, do you think glenn is going outside of the boundaries, are we getting too reckless? this is about the same time gabby giffords got shot. he was calling barack obama a racist who hated all white people. and a lot of people that knew roger for a long time were getting those calls, and of course i don't know all the details of why glenn beck left, but i do know that beck did not fit in roger ailes' ecosystem

because despite what you thought of his ideology and programming, there were limits to what he would put up with. has that changed? >> roger's line at the time as i recall was the problem with predicting the end of the world every day is sooner or later you have to deliver. and the apocalyptic kind of, you know -- i hear from both sides that america is failing, doomed, hanging by a thread, everything is over, the dark night of the soul. well, if you believe that, that's whatever. but if you're doing that to sell pillows or you're doing it to chase clicks, if you're doing it to do that, you are not living up to the duty that you have to the republic. if you're a journalist, you're not living up to the duty you have to the constitution. if you're a citizen and not consuming wholesome news and reliable information, you're not doing a good enough job either. >> you write, "there's so much

anger in our culture today and you can't hate something you aren't afraid of. we are an angry people because we are a frightened people. it wouldn't be so odd if it weren't for the fact that things were so much better here and now that they've been for most of human existence -- freer, richer, safer, cleaner, and easier. there are a lot of reasons for this mismatch, but part is surely a result of media overconsumption -- panicky pulp produced to shovel at you in order to hold an audience and a fragmented marketplace." "all day every day you are offered an unlimited array of serious worries about which you can do next to nothing." i mean, i'm assuming you're talking about social media and different media outlets and some which aren't as credible as others. having said that, is the onus on the viewer or on these new news