you can't hate something you aren't afraid of. we are an angry people because we are a frightened people. it wouldn't be so odd if it weren't for the fact that things were so much better here and now that they've been for most of human existence -- freer, richer, safer, cleaner, and easier. there are a lot of reasons for this mismatch, but part is surely a result of media overconsumption -- panicky pulp produced to shovel at you in order to hold an audience and a fragmented marketplace." "all day every day you are offered an unlimited array of serious worries about which you can do next to nothing." i mean, i'm assuming you're talking about social media and different media outlets and some which aren't as credible as others. having said that, is the onus on the viewer or on these new news

organizations or social media machines? >> well, i love that you guys do the local papers. i love that you do that because the stuff that we should care, where we should place most of our energy and our concern is on the things around us that we can fix, that we can do something about. the collapse of the local news industry 2005 and beyond was deeper, broader, and more devastating than any of us new at the time. my career tracks along with this stuff. i started right at the end where newspapers were the dominant part of the ecosystem, and in their place came in mostly national low-value news that came in that was not about giving people information about how to live their lives but connecting with them on an emotional basis. and what good high-quality news does is give you tools in your life to be a better citizen, to be a better parent, a better neighbor, to be a better you. and you can do something about what's going on in the next local election, about how your neighborhood is. but if somebody comes on and

says the country is going to die because of strangers in a different part of the country that you never met are doing else, that leads to despair and one of the biggest problems, people just tune out. pew tells us 15% of all americans did not consume any news from any source at all in the previous week. that is a bad sign because to be good citizens you need to be informed citizens. >> and the decline of local reporting. the new book, "broken news: why the media rage machine divides america and how to fight back." former fox news political editor chris stirewalt, thank you very much for coming on the show. congratulations on the book. >> thanks so much for having me. it is just two minutes past the top of the hour. the fourth hour of "morning joe," 6:00 a.m. on the west coast, 9:00 a.m. on the east

coast, 2:00 p.m. in scotland, where right now you're watching the royal procession. moments from now king charles iii will lead the royal procession behind queen elizabeth ii's coffin as it is transported from holyroodhouse, the queen's official palace in edinboro no to st. giles cathedral. she will lie in rest there until tomorrow when the coffin is flown to london. earlier this morning, king charles iii addressed both houses of parliament for the first time pledging to follow in his late mother's footsteps. the ceremony was held in westminster hall because of a 7th century law that forbids monarchs from entering the house of commons. >> shakespeare says of the earlier queen elizabeth, she was a pattern to all princes living.

as i stand before you today, i cannot help but feel the weight of history which surrounds us and which reminds us of the vital parliamentary traditions to which members of both houses dedicate yourselves with such personal commitment for the betterment of us all. my lords and members of the house of commons, we gather today in remembrance of a remarkable span of the queen's dedicated service to her nations and peoples. while very young, her late majesty pledged thoers serve her country and her people and to maintain the precious principles of constitutional government which lie at the heart of our

nation. this vow she kept with unsurpassed devotion. she set an example of selfless duty, which with god's help and your counsells, i am resolved faithfully to follow. >> news correspondent kelly cobiella is there right now. >> reporter: good morning. this really is a day of two halves for the people here in scotland. on one hand, they are welcoming a new king to scotland, king charles iii, and on the other saying good-bye to a monarch who reigned over this country for 70 years. the only monarch that most of the country has ever known. we actually saw some of this earlier today when we were along that procession route talking to people is there when the simon

carrying the king and the queen consort passed by. there was a murmur in the cloud and applause and even a few cheers for king charles as he passed by. later, once the queen emerges in this procession, which will be roughly a mile long, we expect to see a lot of what we saw yesterday, which were just crowds being silent, some very somber applause, but really silence and just remembrance for this woman who was so extraordinary and touches do many people's live, especially here in scotland. so, here's how the morning is going to play out. within the next half hour or so, we'll see her coffin emerge from holyroodhouse palace, the official residence in scotland. king charles and other members of the royal family will form part of this procession and make their way down the royal mile from holyroodhouse to st. giles cathedral. i can tell you the streets are

absolutely packed, about 12 deep waiting to see this procession, people waiting to witness this moment in history and also say their good-byes to this woman who led such an extraordinary life. once they arrive at st. giles cathedral, and that is scheduled to be in about five minutes to 10:00 eastern time, again, that procession will take about 20 minutes, once they arrive there, the queen's coffin will be brought inside, members of the royal family will join a service of thanksgiving in honor of the queen's long, long life of service to this country, very much a religious service full of hymns and prayers, and that i think reflects the woman, she was a woman who was deeply devout, she prayed regularly, she spoke openly about her faith, and she of course, mika, had looked at this plan in detail and was part of every single aspect of the planning of

this long good-bye over the next week or so. mika? >> nbc's kelly cobiella live from scotland. we will be checking back with you throughout the hour. thank you so much. turning now to the war in ukraine, where ukrainian forces are claiming major victories on the battlefield after recapturing large parts of territories in eastern ukraine. local officials say ukrainian troops on saturday took back the strategic city of izyum and areas around the country's second largest city kharkiv, forcing russian forces to retreat. russia initially claimed it was pulling back to regroup. however, moscow yesterday acknowledging that i want had lost nearly all -- it had lost nearly all of the northern parts of kharkiv. ukraine's commandser in chief says their forces have retaken nearly 1,000 square miles of land since the counteroffensive

began at the beginning of the month. that's more area than russian forces captured in all of their operations in ukraine since april. videos from kharkiv yesterday showed local residents celebrating and hugging ukrainian troops. "the new york times" reports that russia's performance has prompted discontent among pro-kremlin bloggers and staunch vladimir putin loyalists, creating new challenges for the russian president. joe? >> let's bring in former fbi agent and national security analyst for nbc news and msnbc clint watts, who's stand big the big board. clint, i want you to go to the big board and explain what's going on. i do want to follow up on a conversation we had a few hours ago with general mccaffrey and ned applebaum, ned saying how the russian just cut and ran. they expected a fight.

they didn't. they cut and ran. and general mccaffrey, he said, "they don't want to die for some mystical vision of a greater russian empire that exists only in vladimir putin's head." pretty extraordinary. one side fighting for their lives and liberty and the other who doesn't know what they're fight for and it's starting to show. >> that's right. six months ago we talked about will ukraine make it through first week. now i think question is in the seventh and eighth month will russia be able to conduct the war. because you can dress people up in uniforms but you cannot make them fight. that's very clear from what we've seen in ukraine over the last six weeks. i want to remind just a little bit. some people might remember interesting videos in crimea about six weeks ago. western military weapons have been used to strike key targets back in crimea and in and around

kherson and the ukrainian military a month ago said prepare for a counteroffensive in the south. as they said that, russian forces started to redeploy into the south, and what did we see just a couple weeks back? we saw the ukrainians start to advance. it's been a brilliant maneuver. not anything since world war ii have we seen something this daring where after the ukrainians penned them down around kherson trying to take back some of the ground, here in kharkiv they did a very audacious plan using their limited armor and infantry resources together, doing combined arms warfare, an offensive that ukraine has likely never done in the nation's history, sprung out here and headed east. they cut off the lines of you and i and mika has been talking about three months ago, the russian advance here from the north in belgrade down to izyum, trying to get this area, donetsk. that was the area vladimir putin said he had to have.

this was his whole justification for going in here, to seize this region. now it doesn't look like he'll be able to take just part of it. flipping to the next map, i want to talk about kharkiv. this is what the ukrainians have been able to do. six months ago this was all red. today you're seeing blue. in one week they've taken back as much ground as the russians have taken since april. when you look at this, they broke out from kharkiv, pushed here in this blue area. there's a river here that runs up. and there was a major access and series of control, command and control arteries that was right here for izyum. this was the russian advance. today if you went out on social media or if you read the papers in any of the news, you will see russian forces in this area fleeing backwards in ways that i have never seen in my career. just flatout turning, driving away, or leaving. and the ukrainians are taking back entire tank platoons, russian t-08 platoons. they have more armor this week after the offensive than they did last week before it. the ukrainians are building up

lots of momentum, and that's about western military weapons, about command and control, and the will to fight. the last thing i would note is they are having success in the south, pushing towards kherson in a new development which we could see indications of a couple months ago. partisans in the rear area, they are actually fighting and going after logistical centers of the russians because they can't hold the ground. three big things to look for over the horizon, which is as we mover forward, the russians are likely to pick up with tons and tons of indirect fire and artillery to try and make up for the gap, but now you have the ukrainians on the move and on the offensive. next it's zaporizhzhia. that's a bargaining poker chip, that nuclear plant, a danger for the entire european continent. and the last is the increased risk of chemical, biological, and nuclear with vladimir putin. if he can't lose, what does he do to keep his power. >> anybody who's studied civil

war, military history knows that the north could have won that war several times early, maybe during the peninsula campaign, if mcclellan had pursued retreating confederate troops. i bring that up because general mccaffrey also said earlier this morning when you have an enemy in retreat, you must pursue them aggressively. i'm curious, do the ukrainians have the ability to pursue and destroy these retreating russian troops? >> to a certain degree, yes, joe. the ukrainians are pursuing but it's big challenge for them, the same as the russians had, logistics. where is your fuel coming from, your ammunition? how are your resources a very fast-moving offensive line to where they're not getting overextended and could be enveloped in a counterattack? unlikely, but the yooumens have

to culminate their offensive, regroup, consolidate, and organize. there's that river in the north that's a natural boundary that makes it more difficult to pursue beyond that. across the board, though, i think it's thousands of russian dead, thousands of troops captured. the ukrainians have a new challenge, what to do with russian p.o.w.s. they have a sizable number they're taking in. >> national security analyst for nbc news and msnbc clint watts, thank you very much. for more on this now, let's bring in former u.s. ambassador to russia, now the director of the institute for international studies at stanford, michael mcfaul. mr. ambassador, what do you make of these ukrainian advances? and what are the challenges ahead given the fact that they will need a constant stream of support? >> these are fantastic victories, as you were talking about. they've been planned for a long time. i think it was a brilliant tactical move for the ukrainians to talk about the counteroffensive in kherson as

you were just discussing. they kept talking about it, right? i was wondering why are they talking so loud di about the counteroffensive in kherson? that's rather unusual. that's exactly because they wanted the russians to focus on kherson as they, then, pushed them out of all those cities you've been showing on the map in kharkiv. and once you have momentum, ukrainians are there to fight, they are there to defend their territory. the russian soldiers don't know why they're there. and i've watched dozens of videos of russians and ukrainians over the last 48 hours that show that. the russians have no idea why they're there. they're pointing fingers at who's fault. a famous russian phrase, whereas the ukrainians have a lot of confidence and momentum moving forward right now. >> ambassador mcfaul, we realize that you're not a military guy, that you're a diplomat. my question to you has to do with vladimir putin, which is a political question. if the things proceed the way

they seem to be proceeding in ukraine right now militarily, if he perceives donbas or crimea to be in peril because of ukrainian forces, because of their assaults and their success, do you think he would go biological or nuclear in terms of warfare? >> well, i don't know, and i don't trust anybody who answers that definitively because i don't have a direct line to vladimir putin. but in the last seven months, we keep rolling out that card saying if the ukrainians do this he'll use a nuclear weapon. if we give them this weapon, he'll use a nuclear weapon. i think it's been a false threat so far. it doesn't mean it won't be in the future to your point if the ukrainians go into donbas, but i don't think it's an argument for us to stop the ukrainians.

what does he gain from using a tactical nuclear weapon in this war? it makes him a pariah throughout the world. right now he's not a pariah around the world, right? watch what he meets with xi jinping next week. are he'll have all kinds of dictators around him that will be praising him. he uses a tactical nuclear weapon, he becomes a pariah. two, everybody assumes that the ukrainians if a nuclear weapon is used against them will fold because they have japan in the back of their minds, 1945. the situation is very different. the japanese have been fighting for years and years before we used those nuclear weapons. they knew they were going to lose the war, and then they ka pitch lated. ukrainians in my view, if putin used a nuclear weapon against them, you would see terrorist attacks in downtown moscow because they are motivated to take back share country. >> mr. ambassador, good morning. stay on the topic of putin. it was noteworthy over the weekend as the reports came in

of this ukraine counteroffensive being so successful, there were dissenting voices in moscow on television, finally for the first sometime being what truthful that this war had not gone nearly as well as putin pledged it would. what do you make of that? and is this something where for the first time putin may feel political pressure at home? is there any scenario if this war goes sideways it ends up being a flatout russian defeat that his grip on power could be imperilled? >> again, you know, you guys are asking me to predict the future and i'm not -- political scientists are not very good at it. the aye aye is not either. a couple things stliking over the weekend. i watched the clip you're talking about and the person that was speaking critically, he's somebody i used to interact with when i was u.s. ambassador. he is not a dissident and some opposition figure. he is within the system saying

some critical things. what's happening right now publicly that i think has been happening privately for a long time is they're all pointing fingers. the boss, the czar, putin, he's never wrong. but maybe the generals are wrong. maybe the intelligence was wrong. maybe they didn't bring the right resources. and if you watch russian television -- and remember, russian television 100% controlled by the kremlin, you're seeing people pointing fingers at each other, who is responsible for this loss, that is a very good sign and that debate will continue. whether i would leads to putin's downfall is harder to predict, but doubt in the kremlin is imminent. >> michael mcfaul, thank you for being on this morning. still ahead on "morning joe," we continue to follow the live events out of scotland where preparations are under way for king charles to lead a royal

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our democracy, the very democracy that guarantees the right to freedom. it's not enough to stand up for democracy once a year or every now and then. it's something we have to do every single day. so, this is a day not only to remember but a day of renewal and resolve, for each and every american. and our devotion to this country. >> president biden yesterday 21 years after the september 11th attacks. speaking about the need to protect american democracy, but while those attacks came from outside forces, new polling shows a majority of americans are also concerned about threats to democracy coming from within. in the latest survey from reuters and ipsos, 58% of adults say the trump wing of the republican party is, quote, threatening the foundations of

democracy. and it's not just democrats and independents who feel that way. nearly 1 in 4 republican voters also say that members of their own party are a threat to democracy. joining us now, ceo of the messina group, jim messina. he served as deputy white house chief of staff to president obama and ran his 2012 re-election campaign. messina group has a new study out taking a look at where things stand with the midterm elections less than two months away. joe? >> jim, it's easy at times to become concerned, disillusioned with what we see, what i hear from friends, family members, former colleagues, former constituents, who actual will regurgitate qanon conspiracy theories, conspiracy theories

about stolen elections, conspiracy theories about covid and vaccines. but you do have to keep it in perspective. it is frightening. 40%, a large chunk of the american electorate, but so is 58%. 1 in 4 republicans now and you see this in most poll, about 1 in 4 republicans have said enough, and i would guess another 15%, 20%, maybe more, are so exhausted by trumpism and are ready to move beyond it or at least ready to move to somebody like ron desantis. >> you're right. there's this twofold problem of adhering themselves to donald trump at exactly the same time voters are getting sick of him and what he's talking about, and he v it's screwing up the

republican message. if you add the abortion message into it, the republicans are on the defense with abortion, on donald trump, maga stuff, at exactly the same time that you say you're starting to see for the first time real movement away from the trumpism of the republican party at exactly the wrong time. we are 57 days out before this election and republicans have base problem, and for the first time in a long time you see democrats more enthusiastic, which is a number you and i know is the most important number in a midterm election. >> jim, good morning. it's jonathan. it's not just it seems that the republicans are out of step on the wrong side of the issues you just outlined, on abortion, add guns to that, certainly the defense of democracy, but a few thought they had real winners panning out, inflation still too high, but it's start to slow down, seems to have stabilized some.

the biggest of all, the one that spooks this white house more than anything, gas prices. they have been falling for nearly three months straight. what about if they lose their economic weapon as well? >> oh, they're screwed. our study looked at the most correlative number, which is what you see on the screen right now, biden's approval versus gas prices. it has been moving, you know, in counter to him. if gas prices go up, his numbers go down. if gas prices go down, his numbers go up. that's exactly what you're seeing several weeks before this election. that's the problem with the republicans. you two know i'm a big believer in economics win elections, and this is exactly the wrong time for republicans to have this movement. it's just good news for the democrats and good news for joe biden. >> let's bring into the conversation the founder and ceo of all in together, lawrence o'donnell leader. what are you hearing about women on both side of the aisle as it pertains to the issue of abortion and how they might vote

in the midterms? >> we've been tracking the engagement of women voters back to the 2018 election but especially in the last six months, looking back to the decision. there's no question it is driving substantial increase not just in registration to vote but in motivation to turn out in november. that's especially high among young women, 18 to 34. interestingly now we're seeing this is true for democratic men, that the dobbs decision is motivating. going into the midterm, it's what happens with independent voters and particularly women, who were such a force flipping the house in 2018 and again in 2020. we're seeing that shift towards the democrats among independent women. they're more likely to say that democrats reflect their values, care about people like them. that's all really important, especially in battleground state where is those independent women have an enormous outsized role to play. >> so, i mean, you report a

mass massive increase in voter participation. will it translate into the expectations for the midterms being turned on its head? >> well, i think, look, we've been tracking this since dobbs and the numbers have held. it's closed the enthusiasm gap between democrats and republicans, which is substantial in the spring and is now basically gone, down to women, down three points when you look at both men and women. among voters that are motivated by the dobbs decision, 08% of semisay they're absolutely going to vote in the fall. it's translating. the most important i think is what this has done to young women who have sometimes been on the margins of the turnout. but this time, this is a hugely galvanizing issue for them. they're going to turn out. >> for a lot of women, these were their rights for their entire lifetime and they've been taken away. it's an affront that perhaps

would engage them in politics in a way they vice president before. >> correct. >> in a nonpolling aspect, the taking away, the dobbs decision took away something from people, men and women in this country, took away from families. so that element of taking something away and then doubling down on it leads me to ask you do you think philosophically now as well as politically, do you think there's some measure to be gained by democrats in campaigning on the level of cruelty involved in so many aspects of republican politics today, the level of cruelty? >> absolutely. and that's -- mike, i totally agree with you. that's what you're seeing in the numbers. there's just anger out there.

to mika's point, this generation assumed they would always have it and now they don't. you're seeing the battleground states. 300,000 now younger voters registering in texas. 47,000 in pennsylvania. these numbers could change an election. mike, it's pure anger out there right now. usually the party in power has the anger against it, and now because of dobbs you're seeing the democrats have this anger with both women and men to lawrence o'donnell's point in democrats, but now these independent women don't typically vote in these midterm elections. anger is exactly the right word to describe it. >> all right. jim messina and lawrence o'donnell leader, thank you both. we're jumping right into some live breaking news right now out of scotland where queen elizabeth's coffin is now being transported into the st. giles cathedral, where there will be a

celebration for the queen there, king charles leading that procession to the cathedral where the body of the queen will rest for the next 24 hours. we have kelly cobiella standing by as this all unfolds before our eyes. kelly, what can we expect? >> reporter: we'll see the queen being escorted not only by members of the military here many the uk, a company of archers, in fact, but also by members of her family. king charles will lead that procession. prince edward and princess anne both dressed in ceremonial military clothing as well, as they guide her coffin down the one-mile stretch orp so of this very historic street known as

the royal mile in scotland. you can see that there are people packed -- you will see people packed on both sides of that stretch of road eager to pay their final respects, to say good-bye, to take a moment and remember this woman who was who has been part of their lives for the past 70 years and also to see the new king, king charles. this will not be a short procession. it's only about a mile long, but it will take about 20 minutes. a trip from holyroodhouse, the official residence of the monarch in scotland, down to st. giles cathedral. it's sort of a somber day and a day of remembrance and in a way celebration and welcoming as well because this is the first time that people in scotland are seeing new king, king charles.

when we saw him pass along that same route on his way to holyroodhouse, a cheer went out and a round of applause for the king. when he is accompanying the queen, it's likely to be a much different scene. people have been very quiet along these processional routes as we followed the route yesterday from balmoral to edinburgh. some people tossed flowers at the funeral cortege, some clapped very quietly, others remaining silent and watching her go by. of course lots of cell phones in the air trying to get a shot of this moment in history. and it is really that, as well. it's not just a moment for people to say good-bye here in scotland, a place that was so beloved by the queen. remember, she has ancestral ties here. she spent so much of her time here. but also a moment to just watch history unfold. we spoke to three generations,

well, two generations of scots. the third was a bit do you think too young to talk to us, just 2 years old, but we spoke to the boy's mother and grandmother. they were waiting for this procession earlier today. we asked them why they were here and the little boy's mother said we just want to be part of this moment in history. we want to be able to tell my son, my mother's grandson that we were here, watched the queen pass by one more time, able to pay our respects and say good-bye. they did plan to stand in line after this funeral procession and hope to get inside st. giles cathedral and pass by her coffin. once this procession is completed there will then be a service of thanksgiving inside st. giles cathedral. members of the royal family will be there as well as a number of politicians and other dignitaries, mostly a religious service.

afterwards, the queen will lie in state for about 24 hours and will be able to file past. people have traveled from all over scotland as well as parts of england and farther abroad from europe, just to witness this moment in history, mika. >> kelly, joe here. i'm curious in your conversations with british -- with the british people as you're there reporting on the story, it seems to me that many that i've spoken with seem very surprised by an almost universal outpouring of love and respect for this queen. one commented that he was surprised that king malawi in rwanda have all declared national days of mourning for

elizabeth. i think some were expecting backlash against this queen. it just hasn't been there for the most part, even in a country that can be self-critical of itself and certainly of its leaders. >> reporter: i think you're seeing respect for a life of duty and service and a woman, not necessarily the monarchy. not everyone you speak to on the streets is a monarchist. they've marked moments in their lives according to what was happening in the monarchy. the queen has always been a part of their lives no matter what was happening in history, and that's the kind of -- that's sort of the kind of feelings that we're seeing playing out. that's why people are so emotional. that's why people are coming to pay their respects.

people who may not support the monarchy stilled a vired this woman. she respected a constant through their lives during the years when times were difficult in this country, times were good in this country. she was always there. many people have told us she also represented good values, doing what's right, and over her 70-year range, she barely put a foot wrong. i think there were two instances in total after 07 years. one was after a terrible mining disaster in wales where she failed to rush to the town and pay her condolences back in the '60s, i believe, and the other was during the death of diana when people felt she wasn't showing enough emotion, which is something that frankly she was known for in the past 70 years. she didn't wear her heart on her sleeve in public and didn't netflixly feel that was her role. her role was to sort of maintain

a calm, reassuring presence for the public. and sort of reflect the public mood. you're seeing a reaction to that, not a love of monarchy and the british empire and what it reflected, chchs not good. you're seeing the love of a woman, a woman who was a mother, a grandmother figure so many people and again who was part of their lives for years and years and years. and people do this with great flourish. everyone last detail is thought of. i'm sure you can hear the guns fire manager the background as i'm talking. you see the ceremonial procession right now, that very

slow march. and these imangs, the way they carry out these grand ceremonial events. you put that all together and of course you're going to hear a lot of people saying this is not a moment to question if the monarchy is right for the future. it's a moment for the people here. >> in both crises you cite, queen elizabeth adjusted and recalibrated the mon arty to the realities she saw before her. even if some family members and other royalists were not especially pleased in the new direction.

let's bring in a man who's been ranked as one of the most powerful people in british culture over the past 30, 40 years. tony, grammy, and academy award winner sir andrew lloyd webber joins us now. a great honor to have you with us, sir. i'm curious your thoughts, not only what you're seeing right now but also the passing of this extraordinary woman. >> well, it is indeed a very, very sad moment. i think for everybody in britain and all over the world and the commonwealth knowing her and she particularly rallied the commonwealth. and i was lucky enough to have met her quite a few times over the last few years. and it's very odd for me because when it was announced she died, i was actually in her majesty's

theater which, of course, is now his majesty's theater. and i went to buckingham palace because it was only there three or four weeks before, you know, that i think on the stage with the jubilee concert that we had. the thing about the queen is that she was a constant. >> yes. >> and the other thing which of course the queen was able to do and in a moment can do is represent everyone in a way that politicians can't, because politicians by definition is always going to be somebody who they are not representing. but the queen was able to really extend great love to really absolutely every sector, to every person, and anybody who met her would say that. >> you're watching a very solemn, beautiful procession happening right now in

edinburgh, scotland. queen elizabeth, her coffin is being brought to st. giles cathedral where there will be a thanksgiving ceremony for her. she's the second -- she was the second longest running monarch in the world. the longest in her country, joe, 70 years. her reign spans do much world history, and for many people her reign spanned their entire life types. >> yeah. >> and she was all they knew, her subjects. and a lot to this for the people as well. >> and following up on what sir andrew said, earlier katty kay talked about her neutrality and how extraordinarily difficult it would be for most of us, almost all of us, to remain so neutral when you cared so passionally

about the direction of your country. katty kay said neutrality was her superpower and it was how she was able to unite a fractured nation. and sir andrew, how remarkable. you've seen it in your lifetime, not quite as much as her. but the empire that she took over, the british empire was -- it was an ancient empire that was crumbling, that was disintegrating before her eyes. and there were some very bleak times. you could certainly look at the 1970s, especially, the black elves, the economic challenges, the pound being devalued. you can go back to the '50s and some of her first years, the humiliation of the suez crisis, the feeling by british leaders

that the united states, its steadfast ally, was abandoning it from time to time. and now, look, she departs the world stage as britain is now a vibrant post modern technologically advanced country that continues to punch so far above its way culturally and the influence and soft power it has across the world. what a transformation. and even though it's going through some difficult economic times now, it remains one of the largest economies on the planet, a far cry from where it was in the mid'70s. >> that is absolutely the case. but again, it's worth reminding everybody of just how much she believed in the commonwealth and how she wanted to -- every

nation that was formerly a part of the british empire to be included in this family as sherrarded it. and it was something which was very, very special to her. i heard her talk about it many times. the queen never really expresses an opinion. if she likes something, she'd say, oh, that's interesting. if she didn't like something, she would sort of gloss over it. but i was lucky enough to have met her on several occasions when she was off duty. the only time she ever expressed an opinion to me at all was about the victorian architecture of cardiff castle, which i have to say i disagreed with her majesty because i'm a great fan of the victorian architecture of cardiff castle, and i could take it that she wasn't. >> sir andrew, you're in our

early 70s. >> yes. >> the crown, queen elizabeth, is all you've known in terms of leadership of your country and the commonwealth. >> that's in the long political sense, yes. >> yes. >> i've also had the luck of meeting king charles many times. >> so my question to you is

the forefront of the public's concerns, such a time in change. he was talking about climate change ages ago and people were slightly dismissing him. in fact, he wasn't. he was talking about something which was incredibly important. and i don't think he will abandon those sorts of causes which he believes. some are not fashionable. the other day he called me and asked me to come to a meeting about the future of how we were going the educator beganists for churches. you think what a wonderful man he is. so of course the english tradition is very much part of my life. here is the future king talking to me about how we're going to -- >> what did you tell him? >> we've got to make sure --

because one of the difficulties, you're not going to believe this, but you can't let kids who want to go into a church who want to play the organ unaccompanied. ugh. you can see the king saying, oh, no. anyway, i really do feel, and i also feel he is very happy with the queen consort camilla. they have always been -- and it's a joy to see him and her together. >> as he a sends to the throne. we're talking right now with andrew lloyd webber, as we are watching live pictures from edinburgh, scotland. this is a mile long or so royal procession with queen elizabeth's body. her coffin being taken to st. giles cathedral. the king and siblings are walking through the streets of edinburgh. this morning king charles

addressed parliament. significant in many ways. a lot of questions about what his impact will be, how he will perform in the years to come. but also significant because it was televised is the first one like this in the age of television. there are many more events this week to remember and celebrate the life of queen elizabeth and allow the entire country and the world to be a part of it. jonathan lemire? >> we are watching the ceremony slow and meaningful. kelly cobiella, i wanted to go back to the idea of king charles. this next week will of course be the center focus is to remember the life and legacy of his mother the queen. but, as we just noted, he's given a couple of speeches now to the united kingdom's people of which he will soon rule. talk to us as the week goes on when else we might hear from him

and what his message to the british isles and beyond will be. >> well, i think -- >> so far, jonathan, that message has been -- >> go ahead, kelly. >> reporter: so far that message has been that i will very much carry on my mother's work. i will try to, my best ability, give you a life of service, just as she did, for as long as i am alive. so far that message has been well received. it's early days. it's hard to tell how his reign will be received in the long term. for now, people are giving him the benefit of the doubt. we will see quite a bit of him over the next several days. he will be a part of this service of remembrance, of

thanksgiving, as we have said. he will be in the cathedral. he will meet with the first minister of scotland after the services of thanksgiving. he will be in scottish parliament. after that receiving official condolences from scottish mps. and then he will, we believe, be part of the vigil of princes, which is a vigil held by the monarch's children at her coffin later this evening as people are filing past. all of these events give the people of scotland first the opportunity to see him, to see him in that role, to see him in various uniforms. we know how important that visual is. so far this has been a very transparent transfer of power. so much of it, as you mentioned, has been on tv. and i think that has helped people absorb this idea of king

charles iii and see what he is all about. but we will see him quite a bit and we will hear from him from time to time. i should mention, too, on that first day, he was outside buckingham palace spending quite a bit of time shaking hands. >> yeah. andrew lloyd webber, same question to you. a lot of time will be spent in the next weeks, months in mourning, in reflection. but also in transition. what are you going to be looking for as king charles really begins to take over and settle in to his new position as the king of england. what do you think will emerge perhaps? what will you be watching for. >> well, i think the key was in his first speech he gave to the nation. and i think we will see him now adopt much more the neutral position that his mother adopted. because that is really the function of the monarchy.

and i think when he was prince wales he was able to say things and talk about causes that were dear to his heart in a way that it would not really be appropriate for him to do now. but i think you can be very sure that behind the scenes he will be putting as much pressure on ministers and government to do everything possible to carry on his mother's belief in the commonwealth. and i think you will find he will be very vocal about climate change. >> we will take a moment to listen in to the sights and sounds of the royal procession for queen elizabeth in edinburgh, scotland.

>> so the procession will continue. sir andrew lloyd webber, thank you so much. mika, curious your thoughts at this time from what we're seeing not only from a queen being celebrated but also the new king. >> i have so many questions how charles may reign differently. there's time for those to play out. watching this beautiful procession, the pomp and the circumstance and traditions, how quiet the crowds are, how refuse

rent they are to the queen who was graceful, who was elegant. and i think to many in her country represented a mother figure, grandmother figure an example. >> we were talking about the tension at least tension of charles expressing his views as a younger man and his mother telling him that was not what the monarchy did. and i think -- i'm curious your thoughts whether people may be -- may be assuming too much when they assume that king charles will not still speak out on issues at least if it's in a more muted way on issues like climate change that mean so much to him. >> yeah, joe. i'm inclined to believe the much more knowledgeable sir andrew,

who is here with us, on that. i think the king has such a commitment that he will in one sense speak out about climate change without being overpolitical. we're watching now. and we'll continue. >> some are not controversial. they are just realities. for now the coverage continues this morning right here on msnbc. chris jansing and katy tur pick up the coverage live from london right now. good morning. i am chris jansing in london for jose diaz-balart. right now the long good-bye to the queen is focused in edinburgh, scotland. roughly 330 miles north of here and a solemn service of thanksgiving is about to get under way once they finish this long procession along what is