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himself our death and opened the kingdom of heaven to all who trust in him. look not on us but look on us as found in him and bring us safely through judgment to the joy and peace of your presence. >> most gracious god, with all our hearts we thank you for the long life, the shining example, the steadfast commitment to duty, the strong faith and the good humor of our wise and great queen. we thank you for the deep love she has inspired from all her subjects for the myriad ways in which she met and welcomed people from all walks of life
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for the diplomacy with which she resolved conflict and for the stability she brought to her realms and to the commonwealth. >> for the life and example of our queen. >> we give you thanks. >> for the king and the role he now assumes. god of mercy, we pray your comforts to all members of the royal family in their time of grief and loss and hold them in your love we pray you, uphold them in their sorry and grant that they may be confident of your mercy and the promises made to us in jesus christ our lord. lord, in your mercy. >> hear our prayer. >> look with compassion we pray you upon the king as he assumes the office to which you have
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called him. endow him with which that spirit which you blessed and guided the queen this many years, that he may walk in the joy of your strength and be affirmed by the love of his people throughout this kingdom. lord, in your mercy. >> hear our prayer. >> we pray for all in our nation that we may live according to the standards set by our beloved queen. that we may continually uphold in prayer our king as he seeks discernment and wisdom for his calling. and that together we may seek justice and prosperity for all people in this land. lord, in your mercy hear our prayer. >> we pray, we pray for wisdom
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to become worthy stewards of your good gifts. give to us a constant concern for the earth and all its creatures, a spirit of understanding in our dealings with others and keep the nations of our commonwealth united, united in bonds of cooperation and friendship. lord, in your mercy -- >> hear our prayer. >> almighty and ever lasting god from whose love nothing can separate us, we command to your kindness one another here and all people ungulfed of sorry of any kind, we pray for peace of the world and just dealings between the nations. we pray for the hungry and the poor, for those displaced by conflict, for all who suffer
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hardship and do not enjoy the benefits with which we have known in our day and generation. we pray together as our savior taught us. our father which art in heaven, hallowed be thy name, thy kingdom come, give us this day our daily bread and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive them that trespass against us. and lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil for thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory forever and ever, amen. ♪♪
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>> i'm katy tur in london. it is 4:15 here in london, 11:15 on the east coast in the united states. as you've been watching, this is the first service that we've witnessed for late queen elizabeth ii, a service of thanksgiving for her majesty. before this, we saw the procession up the royal mile in edinburgh, scotland, and we saw the king alongside his brothers and sister march behind their mother's coffin. and it's in that glass-topped hearse that we've seen -- that enables us to see the coffin with the royal standard draped over it and a wreath of flowers from balmoral, her favorite
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place. we're going to see a lot more of this in the days ahead as the queen's coffin moves from scotland to london. king charles right now is going to scottish parliament to meet with the first minister, nicola sturgeon. we expect to hear from him there. we heard from him a little bit earlier today when he addressed parliament here in london. joining me now is keir simmons who is with me in london, kelly cobiella is in scotland, andrew roberts, msnbc british historian, and daisy mcandrew, a royal expert. keir, what we've been watching, you know, i think it's important to say this over and over again, this is the first time we've ever seen anything like this, most of us, the vast majority of us. >> yeah, you can go online and google the funeral of the
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queen's father and you can see black and white pictures in film of that ceremony and you'll see things that look a little like this. but, of course, this was in scotland. now, the queen died in scotland in her beloved balmoral, but also she loved scotland. and she will be watching this wherever she is. and she will be really loving to see the country that was at the center of her heart have the opportunity to say good-bye like this and you just saw those streets lined with people coming out in their thousands. a very personal moment. it's amazing, isn't it, the way you can watch it on television, but to be there personally is a different experience and all of those people wanting that old-fashioned experience to say good-bye to their queen and to see their new king, as you mentioned charles and his sisters and brothers walk behind it. >> kelly, what is it like in
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edinburgh? >> the streets were absolutely packed. you can see it on the pictures of course. but being there is completely different. they were closing off the side streets earlier today. you simply couldn't reach the royal mile. there were too many people already waiting behind those barricades on that very narrow street, that one-mile stretch of street through the old town of edinburgh between holyroodhouse palace and st. giles' cathedral waiting to see the queen for one last time to, say their good-byes. we spoke to several people along that procession stretch about why they came, why it was so important to them and we tended to hear the same thing over and over again, a couple of messages really, one, that they wanted to pay their respects. these are not necessarily people who are huge fans of the monarchy. not all of them. some are, of course. some are simply just regular
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british citizens who might dip and out of it and may not pay attention to the day-to-day mechanics of the monarchy, but they wanted to pay respects to this extraordinary life lived, 70 years of duty and service. actually, i spoke to a woman who was there with her mother and with her very young son. and she told me about why they came. and this was not just about the queen for them, although, that was the primary reason, it was also about witnessing history. i wonder if we have that and we can take a listen. >> it's part of history, isn't it? we wanted to bring him. when he goes to school he'll be learning in history all about what we're witnessing today. >> you can tell him you were here and he was here. >> and there was a lot of that, sort of a multigenerational event here. grandmothers, grandfathers,
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mothers and fathers and their children all talking about this idea that, you know, they're witnessing history, they're witnessing a passage in time, a changing of an era and, boy, what a scene it was there, katy. we were there, actually, when the king first arrived with the queen consort heading to holyroodhouse palace before the procession and there was a bit of a murmur and we heard lots of clapping and quite a few cheers as the king first passed by. >> i want to talk about what it means to begin this long good-bye in scotland. andrew, i'm hoping if we take another look at the casket, help us understand some of the symbolism that we're looking, from the wreath to the crown to, the royal standard that is covering her coffin right now. that is slightly different than the one that will be covering the coffin once it gets back here to london. >> it is. that's right. it's the scottish royal standard
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which is slightly different. the people who stand on each side -- sorry, at the corners of the coffin are the royal company of arches. they were the queen's bodyguard in scotland founded in 1676. i know this because my ex-wife's present husband is one of them. and the things that they're holding in their hands there is -- or actual bows and they have the arrows and they have the great big feather from the eagle tucked in their hats. it's a rather magnificent and ancient body of gentlemen. >> the fact that she passed in scotland, there's speculation that she knew she was nearing the end and she wanted to go in a place that she felt so close to. she wanted it to be scotland. give us the history of the relationship between queen elizabeth and scotland and
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particularly balmoral. >> balmoral, of course, which was her private house, it belonged to the queen herself, not to the monarchy. and it has always been the place that she loved to spend summers. it's where she and the family could go and -- to the extent that the queen can never really relax, it was a place they could relax. there was enough land for her to get out, drive around the estate, walk around the estate. the families had picnics on the estate. when you're queen and under a magnifying glass 24/7 for 70 years, it's not surprising that if you can find a place where you can have a little bit of anonymity and a little bit of normalcy, you're going to cling to that place. it's stunningly beautiful. balmoral, that area of scotland, it's near where my husband's family lives and it's one of the most beautiful places you can imagine and she loved that. she loved the hunting that took place there. she loved the hiking. some of the best stories i think that we've heard about the queen recently have come from her
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private policeman who -- and they all resolve around balmoral, meeting american tourists by chance who didn't recognize her, just going spontaneously off onto the estate to have a picnic. that's the kind of thing that doesn't happen to the queen in her regular life. and it's no surprise that she found that place for esthetic reasons, privacy reasons, particularly a place that she and her family just love to go and she in particular loved to go to. >> and as i said a moment ago, king charles is on his way to scottish parliament to meet with nicola sturgeon and to give his reply or his address to scottish parliament. we are also going to see him back here a little bit later for the vigil of princes where he will stand vigil and we will also for the very first time, daisy, see the public, the british public, the scottish public, get a chance to go in there and pay their individual respects.
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>> and i think that the estimates of the number of people both in scotland and finally when the queen is brought to -- down to london, i think the estimates are wildly underestimated. my belief is that the numbers will run north of a million people who will want to pass and do their own -- pay their own respects to the queen in the coffin. we were looking at the pictures there, you were just talking to angie roberts about who it is who is at the moment standing vigil. senior members of the royal family. in fact, the four -- her four children, the queen's four children, they will at some point stand vigil in just the same way that we can see there. but that crown you're looking at, that is the scottish crown. there's a scottish crown and there's an english crown. that's not the crown that the king charles will wear at his
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coronation. it was a modern replica that was made in 1540 by james v. it's worth even more than the coronation crown. it's worth having a good look at that crown. it weighs about four pounds in weight. you can imagine that's very, very heavy. it was the crown that was worn for the coronation of mary queen of scot so it's got quite a story to it. >> thank you very much. we appreciate it. we're going to have much more on this hour to remember queen elizabeth in scotland, including king charles' visit to parliament. plus, why the queen had such close ties to the people of scotland and how residents of commonwealth countries are honoring elizabeth but questioning the monarchy's role
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today's ceremonies honoring queen elizabeth ii are taking place in one of her favorite parts of the united kingdom, scotland. thousands, again, lined up along the royal mile to get a glimpse of their new king as he led a royal procession behind his mother's coffin. and this was the scene on sunday as thousands gathered to watch the queen's coffin being transferred from balmoral to edinburgh. the ties between the king and scotland run deep. she spent every summer at balmoral castle. her mother was scottish and she visited the country for her silver, gold and diamond jubilees. it's fitting that she spent her final days in the place he loved
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so much. with me is willfred frost, andrew roberts, and daisy mcandrews. we've been talking about the relationship she had with scotland and what it means to begin this long good-bye there and not just what it means to scotland, what it means to the united kingdom. >> absolutely, where you go and spend your summer holidays is clearly where you love the most. and i think we've always known how much she loved it. it's only happenstance that she died there. but given that she has, clearly king charles and the queen who would have overseen the backup plans decided to throw much more at it, make many more of the more significant ceremonial events happen up there. king charles is touring all four nations, but the coffin isn't going there. they're not having the same type of services there. that's a great thing for her
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majesty because she loved scotland. it's a great thing for the people of scotland and it's a good thing for the union as well. as we know, scotland is the country of the four parts of the united kingdom that more regularly talks about wanting independence, whether or not of course that will come or not. it's perhaps helpful for the union. >> talk a little bit about that. he's going to meet with nicola sturgeon. there had been a referendum effort a few years back. there's been reporting out there that maybe if they do break away, they still keep the crown because of the love and affection that they had for queen elizabeth. that might change with a king charles. >> 2014 was the last scottish referendum and i didn't pass. scotland is still part of the union. but they did say at the time that they would keep the -- queen elizabeth as the queen of scotland as well. there is -- as you can see, i think this has been a very
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heartening for the royal family at least display of affection for queen elizabeth, certainly for queen elizabeth. what happens to king charles, we don't know. we'll have to see. but the fact that you had scots turning out from all over in a country when six years aflirted with the idea of going independent from the united kingdom, that's a testament to the lines of affection that still exist certainly between queen elizabeth and the scottish people. but i think that king charles will see some of that affection as well. if nicola sturgeon has said that she would like to have another referendum, i've spoken to her before and she has said that she thinks that scotland will be independent in her lifetime. whether she now posits the idea to the people, that would be a radical step. but it's not clear that a
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referendum would pass. >> daisy, let's talk about the numbers of people and you touched on it a little bit earlier. 60,000 people came out to line the roads and the streets in the royal mile to see just the coffin drive by yesterday. we're expecting to see a lot of people go there today to pay their respects. we're going to get an idea of those lines later and they could be an indication of what we might see here in london. i know officials are expecting 750,000 people are more to come and to queue in the words of this country for as much as 20 hours to get a chance to say good-bye, standing only, bring your own food. that's how busy it is going to be. but the -- but just the site of the people lining the roads, lining the overpasses, as she made that very long way, shorter journey, longer time journey, six hours, to make it to edinburgh, what does that
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indicate to you. >> yeah, i firmly believe that that estimation of 700,000 people is a wild underestimate. i think it's going to be much, much more. and i think once we start -- we the media start showing the lines or the queues, i think people will say, this is a part of history that i want to be a part of. and i think it will snowball. i'm sanding myself just on the other side of the river from the houses of parliament, westminster hall. that's the place that king charles addressed parliamentarians this morning. that is where the queen's body will be placed and where people will file in to pay their respects. and just underneath me, you can't see it there, there's a walkway and the river in between. we understand that the queues are going to go from the houses of parliament right down to the next bridge, over the bridge, all the way back. i think 20 hours is probably not far off.
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i know people who are planning to go to scotland, either fly or take the train from london to scotland and try to go and see the queen lying -- resting in state as it's called in scotland. they think that will be a quicker journey than queueing here in london. so i think it is going to be an extraordinary sight. >> there's talk potentially of officials saying london might be, quote, full at capacity for the first time and contingency plans being made to tell people not to come to central london. tell them not to take the train because there just isn't enough space for the people who are expected to descend upon this city. andrew, i want to get a little bit more about the history between the monarch and scotland, the history that binds these two places together and what it means to the united kingdom. >> well, the queen herself of course was half scottish. her mother, the queen mother was
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the daughter of a true scot. she did love coming up to scotland. her first -- her husband, the duke of edinburgh, took the title of edinburgh and that was her title before she became queen. she didn't become princess of wales. she was the duchess of edinburgh. you have all of these very strong scottish connections, including a very powerful one of blood. >> and we haven't seen a picture of it, we're trying to find one, but the septor and the sword are the oldest pieces of regalia in the united kingdom dating back to the late 1400s. shows you how far things go back. >> that's -- >> go ahead.
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>> that's the regalia. of course another item has been brought down from edinburgh to london which is going to be slotted under the throne. the king is going to be crowned on. there's an enormous amount of these things knocking about. >> i know you're a journalist but you're also a british citizen. what is it like to see this? everyone knew this day would come eventually. now that it's here, what your thoughts? >> clearly it's been a sad couple of days and that is the overriding emotion. but the way in which the british people have been so respectful, the crowds that have gathered behind us that we've seen in edinburgh today are so quiet, they're very respectful. and i do think there is a warmth about it all and a national unity about it all. and on top of that, you know, we're showing some of the most absurd aspects of the british
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institutional process which you couldn't defend if you were asked to rationally list why this makes sense in the modern age and i get a sense that the people are loving it more than ever. and that's an extraordinary way that the british monarchy has evolved to remain relevant, because a lot of monarchies have gone into obscurity. but also welcomed because they have no power today. and that's a very difficult needle to thread and obviously her majesty was responsible for that evolution over the last 70 years. it remains to be seen whether king charles can do it as masterfully, but the early days, he probably will be very pleased with the reception that he has got, that the institution he represents has got. >> as one of my former guests has said it's pageant as intoxicant. we're going to keep an eye on
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everything happening in scotland to remember queen elizabeth this hour. but up next, the comp rated reaction to her death in commonwealth countries, particularly in jamaica where there were widespread protests when william and kate visited this past spring. we're going to go live no to jamaica next. o to jamaica next so am i. because i'm at risk for pneumococcal pneumonia. i'm asking about prevnar 20. because there's a chance pneumococcal pneumonia could put me in the hospital. if you're 19 or older with certain chronic conditions like copd, asthma, or diabetes, you may be at an increased risk for pneumococcal pneumonia. prevnar 20 is approved in adults to help prevent infections from 20 strains of the bacteria that cause pneumococcal pneumonia. in just one dose. don't get prevnar 20 if you've had a severe allergic reaction to the vaccine or its ingredients. adults with weakened immune systems may have a lower response to the vaccine. the most common side effects were pain and swelling at the injection site, muscle pain, fatigue, headache, and joint pain.
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country's government but that she does a republic to happen within her lifetime. and another country with a complicated relationship with the monarchy is jamaica. prince william and his wife kate faced protests during their visit back in march. kerry sanders joins me now from jamaica. what are you hearing down there? >> reporter: well, you know, when you look at the picture of where i'm standing, you may see a beautiful beach, a place to go on vacation. but many jamaicans see the coastline but think back to when the royal african company was bringing on ships, slaves to this country. ultimately estimated to be 300,000 slaves. and so they have long had questions as you pointed out protesting the royal visit that was here in march wondering as a commonwealth nation, why is it that as a commonwealth realm we're still seeing the head of
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state as the monarchy. it was the monarchy that back in 1660 through the duke of york established the ships that brought the slaves here and that's a direct line to the queen and now to the new king. and so there are folks here like cliff hughes, he wears many hats here. he's also a historian. and as we see pictures of his 28-year-old daughter here, he asks the question of, well, let's listen to what he has to say about his daughter from here in jamaica. >> why should my daughter not aspire, not dream being one day the head of state of jamaica? why should we be looking across the atlantic to a white woman or a white man? why should we, huh? no. so i'm very clear. but i should say to you, unfortunately, there's a
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significant body of opinion in jamaica who will tell you we should stay with the queen and the constitutional monarchy. >> reporter: and so that may very well find its way to a referendum vote at some point here. again, some people here not only upset about the history and the lack of a direct apology, official apology from the monarchy, but also a demand for reparations. again, it's a debate, it's long been a debate in this country, specifically to the united kingdom, but it has taken a renewed energy now with the passing of the queen, the monarch for 70 years. >> kerry sanders in jamaica, thank you very much. let's bring in former managing editor, clyde irving.
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kerry talks about an official apology. one did not come from queen elizabeth but we heard something to that effect from prince charles last year when he was in barbados as barbados separated itself, acknowledging the horrors of slavery. fill us in on the controversial backstory. >> well, it's a soft word to -- legacy to describe what they're having to answer for. king charles iii is now inheriting the legacy of king charles ii who presided over the foundation of the slave trade in the 17th century and it's obviously people now can't be held responsible for what happened in the 17th century, but they can be responsible for the outcome and that was bad enough. but i would like to point to 2018 and a scandal when a lot of
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the caribbean people, many from jamaica who immigrated to britain in the late 1940s and 50s, who were indispensable as a workforce, often running all the london buses for example and established a vibrant and lively west indian community in west london. and then in 2018, some idiot in the home office found out that anyone who came in before 1973 didn't have any verification of when they came in. so they decided, can you believe this, to start deporting the people who had no proof, no evidence that they came in in that so-called wind rush. they had no evidence that they were really british citizens. they were denied health care, they were denied pensions and nearly 100 of them were deported by the tory government under theresa may and i didn't hear a peep from the royal family about
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that. that is another liability that they have to answer for. and i think that the royal family itself lacks a sense of the reality of history. they've spent a long while whitewashing parts of the history of the monarchy and that and that inclupds fairly recent parts from the 1930s, not 1930s. charles will have to face what, the minimum should be an apology, but at the maximum, if he want to retain the idea of remaining head of state of the caribbean, i don't know very much if he will. particularly in jamaica where there's a strong feeling that poor william was left last when the leader of jamaica said we're moving on. william had not been prepared and that betrays the lack of historical education within the household. >> thank you very much for joining us. you're going to join us again at 2:00 p.m. to continue this
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conversation. the term pageant as intoxicant i stole from you. a conversation we had over the weekend. in less than an hour, king charles is expected to hear condolences in scottish parliament as the uk says good-bye to queen elizabeth. so what happens now to everything with the queen's image on it? from stamps to money. the plans for rebranding. lmost . i got you. any questions, chris? all good, thanks maura! healthier is managing all your family's prescriptions in one app.
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it not to mention e 2 r. her symbols are everywhere. >> her monogram, her face. you're here in london. it is everywhere. i just wanted to show your audience. this is a 20 pound note. there's her face there. this will stay in circulation, but so much of this from money to stamps, you know, to heinz ketchup bottles is going to get a royal rebranding. as the united kingdom's longest reigning monarch, her initials have become a british staple, but with now king charles iii ascension to the throne, there's a change to the guard for the first time in 70 years. >> we have to change passports, money. everything. the most immediate change already in place. ♪♪ lyrics to the national anthem reverted back to god save the
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king, sung for the first time in decades at a memorial service for queen elizabeth then at events around the weekend. other more visible changes are also in the works. queen elizabeth was the first monarch to appear on postage and now new stamps will need to be redesigned with an image of the king. her majesty's iconic royal cipher will be retired. >> draft order -- >> and while the new king's monogram has yet be revealed, he gave a sneak peek. wearing a tie clip above the letters, cr, which stands for charles rex, latin for king. it will be on flags, police helmets and british coins. even those iconic mailboxes are adorned with e2r for the late king.
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new post boxes be updated with the initials of the newest ruler and while the $95 billion of currency with the queen's image, notes with charles' face will be introduced and once it is in british wallets, it might be used to purchase products with a royal warrant appointment signifying they're used in the royal household, brands like coke, cartier, even heinz ketchup. and of course there are thousands of souvenirs that will likely hit gift shop shelves in the coming weeks. queen elizabeth graced collectible cutlery to playing cards and now only time will tell what knickknacks will be embellished with the likeness of the new king. knickknacks, flags, t-shirts, mugs, you name it.
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our producer, ed, ran around to a couple of the souvenir stands asking when they would get the charles swag. they thought that would be two to six months out. right now, everyone is still focused on queen elizabeth. >> there's a rush on printing for this moment marking the death of queen elizabeth. molly, thank you, and thank you to ed as well. that is going to do it for me this hour. i will be back at 2:00 p.m. eastern. please do join us. "andrea mitchell reports" is next. rt... your joints... or your digestion... so why wouldn't you take something for the most important part of you... your brain. with an ingredient originally discovered in jellyfish, prevagen has been shown in clinical trials to improve short-term memory. prevagen. healthier brain. better life.
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