borders railway. i was enjoying the recollections of times spent in scotland. now, that would have been special on any day. but it was also the day the queen became our longest reigning monarch allowing me to observe closely how quietly reflective she was about that historic milestone made it so much more so. it was one of the great privileges of my life. what was obvious there and on every was the queen's genuine love of scotland. her first was here in scotland when she opened the aberdeen sailors' home in 1944. in a decade since, the queen has been intrinsic to the story of modern scotland.

from the opening of the 40s pipeline, the border's railway and the hosting of three commonwealth games, she was present at so many of our iconic moments. she was also a true and steadfast friend of this parliament. on the day we reconvened in 1999, she allowed the title, queen elizabeth, queen of scots, to be used. she also presented us with our measured wisdom, justice, passion, intelligent describe values personified by the queen throughout her entire life. even as her health declined, her majesty inspired us with an unfaltered dedication to public service. in his address on friday, the king recalled his mother's words on her21st birthday. my whole life, whether it be long or short, shall be devoted

to your service. for 75 years, queen elizabeth more than fulfilled that vow. she performed her duties with dedication, wisdom, and a profound sense of service. she set an exceptional example to all of us. our nation is in mourning today for a queen, whose loss we have not yet begun to come to terms with. we are deeply honored by the presence today of his majesty, king charles iii, and the queen consort. your majesty, we stand ready to support you as you continue your own life of service and as you build on the extraordinary legacy of your beloved mother, our queen. queen elizabeth, queen of scots, we are grateful for her life. may she now rest in peace. >> i now call on douglas ross

the leader of the unionist party. >> your majesty, the news from balmoral rocked us to the core. her late imagine industry, queen elizabeth ii was a constant presence in your lives throughout her 70-year reign. for many of us it is difficult to manage our country without her. the queen seemed as permanent as the stones of ed burg castle, a constant around her changed. when queen busy elect became monarch, she was served in a role by 15 political leaders, offering a wealth of wise counsel from her long speed questions. she lived through the great depression and the great recession, the second world war, and second gulf war. the length of the queen's reign meant she was an anchor to our history. ensuring that whatever changes to our country and how we lived our lives, we have a link to the

generations before. she was a living remind of the sacrifices made to build the country and the world we live in today. what other leader could have reassured the nation in the darkest days of the covid pandemic by drawing on their own memories of children being separated from families during the blitz. time and time again her majesty gave us certainty, stability, joy and happiness when we needed it most. that's why the scenes that we saw on the final journey from balmoral to the palace yesterday surprised no one. from the heart of aberdeen, to the capital city, young and old came together to pay their respects. scotland's unique tributes saw tractors and horses interspersed with members of the public who came in their tens of thousands to line the route. the monarchy in united kingdom and wasn't, we held close to her

heart and we held her to ours. we feel the pain of her loss so strongly with her new king and the entire royal family to date. on a personal level with join them in mourning as a nation. in her final speech to this chamber, the late queen said it is often said that it is the people that make a place and there are few places where this is truer than in scotland. but i think we can also see that the queen shaped modern scotland during her 70-year reign. and we know the bonds and ties in scotland developed and strengthened by the late monarch will be continued by king charles iii. you became the first, sir, following scottish soil in over 400 years. you have already served scotland with great dedication as duke of edinburgh, lord of the isles and

prince and great steward of scotland. and i know people across the country will show you the same support and devotion as they did your late mother. because today we don't just commemorate the reign of our queen but celebrate the life of a woman who many in scotland knew and loved. who dedicated her life to her country, to duty and to serving others. on behalf of the scott conserve tors, i'm proud to support the medication of condo lens today, to thank queen elizabeth for a long and dignified service and offer full support and loyalty to our new king. may her late majesty rest in glorious and eternal peace. and from all of us, sir, god save the king. . >> i now call on the leader of the scottish labor party. >> your majesty, a offer my serious condo lens on the

passing of your beloved mother. my thoughts remain with you, the queen consort, your sons, grandchildren and all the royal family at this time of deep sadness. first and foremost, the queen was a mother. and i cannot imagine the intense feeling of personal life you are experiencing while fulfilling your devotion to public service as our king. i hope it gives you and your family much comfort that we are all grieving the passing of someone who was so special, cherished and loved by us all. her majesty was a constant in our lives. many saw her as family. many saw their family in her. she reminded me of my own grandmother. her walk, her demeanor, even the way she held her handbag. but she also touched generations. i returned home thursday night to a crying 6-year-old who said he was sad because he will never get to meet the queen.

queen elizabeth ii was also a constant reminder of the need for kindness and compassion in our society. so often in our politics, both today and throughout history, we focus on what divides us. but from the blitz to the pandemic, the queen brought our nation together. she was the great unifier of our country. she brought joy at times of national pride. she brought comfort of times of national tragedy and she brought light at our nation's darkest moments. we will never forget how her majesty the queen found the words during the pandemic to remind us all that we will meet our loved ones again. words more poignant than ever following the passing of her house prince philip, your father, who now rests at peace with his beloved lilibet. we know how much she loved scotland, and we loved her back. she reminded us this parliament,

despite your political disagreements and arguments, all of us here are in service of the scottish people. and her influence was felt far beyond these shores for the people of the commonwealth and other nations united in grief at this time. our world changed beyond recognition during her reign. but her dedication to duty, her intelligent, her warmth and her service to others never wavered. in fact, politicians here and right around the world will look on endlessly in 70 years of service as head of state she always seemed to say the right thing, do the right thing, and at the right time. and i am confident as we enter a new era, we will cherish your majesty's leadership and your wisdom, passion, intelligent and justice. timeless values passed down by your mother but gifted to us on our parliamentariness.

we wish you a long and happy reign. god save the king. i now call on patrick harvey, co-leader of the scottish party. >> the experience of loss is universal. it comes into all of our lives. it's a reminder that the reality 06 human life is not rooted in status or in title but in the connections we make, bonds of love and friendship, of family and of service to one another. people of all views can respect this. whatever else we may disagree about. in this moment, as we mark the death of the queen, i off my party sincere condolences to her son, his family and to all the people she touched. this is a moment more than one 06 personal loss for those we stand with in their grief. it's also a time to reflect on

the change the queen witnessed during such a long reign. when princess elizabeth of york became queen elizabeth ii, the uk was still early in its recovery from a brutal world war and had begun laying the foundations of something extraordinary. a welfare state and national health service to tackle the giant evils of the age. nearly three decades of declining inequality followed. the last coronation, the oath still referred to other countries as the possessions of an empire. here at home, human rights were distant ideas. racist discrimination remaining legal and people treated as criminals and outcasts because of their sexuality. now we can look back and celebrate extraordinary progressive change even as we must continue to defend what has been achieved. there are those for whom the long reign of elizabeth ii and indeed the institution of

monarchy represent continuity, stability, permanence. but in truth, the tide of progress cannot be haltded. it feels slow as we let it day by day. in time it is dramatic. so, presiding officer, as charles iii begins his reign, let us hope indeed redouble our determination that he will have the opportunity to witness change just as transformational and more. it is still needed. . >> i now call on alex cole hamilton, leader of the scottish liberal democrats >> presiding officer, your imagine industries, we do not choose the life to which we are born. and seldom do we shape the events that define our times. we can only hope to move through life with mu milt and conduct ourselves in the time we are given with compassion, with kindness and with grace. the life of her majesty, queen

elizabeth ii was a towering example of all of those qualities manifest in a single human being. she always kept a special place for scotland in her heart as she in turn found ample room in ours. her passing leaves a profound an a sense across the family of these nations. her majesty came of age in the crews bell of war, a period of gravest danger for our country. it fostered in her a deep commitment to reconciliation, to peace and a common understanding among nations so evident in her commitment to the commonwealth. it's why she told us the listening world from cape town on the occasion of that 2021 birthday broadcast that while she was 6,000 miles away from the country of her birth, she was never far from home. and, hence, the grief that we feel today is shared across the

world. from the blitz to the pandemic, through times of tempest and times of calm, sustained as always by the duke of edinburgh, her beloved strength and stay, she was the embodiness of constancy and forbearance in the face of remarkable change. she sat with presidents and hospital patients, key workers and veterans. she leapt from helicopters and dined with bears. she earned the widespread affection that has been so visible in these days of mourning. one christmas broadcast, her majesty said not all of us can do great things. but we can all do small things with great love. presiding officer, your majesties, the measure of her example inspired so many of us to fulfill the promise of those words. on behalf of the scottish liberal democrats, i express our

deepest condolences. god save the king. >> and i now invite his majesty the king to respond to the motion of condo lens. >> presiding officer, first minister, party leaders, and members of the scottish parliament, i know that the scottish parliament and the people of scotland share with me a profound sense of grief at the death of my beloved mother. through all the years of her reign, the queen, like so many generations of our family before her, found in the hills of this land and in the hearts of his people a haven and a home. my mother felt as i do, the greatest admiration for the scottish people, for their magnificent skhaoefplts and

their indomitable experiment. and it was the greatest comfort for her to know in turns the true affection in which chefs had he held. the knowledge of that deep and abiding bond must be to us a solace as we end the life of in comparable service. if i might paraphrase the words of the great robert byrnes my mother was the friend of man, the friend of truth, the friend of age, and guide of youth. few hearts like hers with virtue warmed. few heads with knowledge so informed. while still very young, the queen pledged herself to serve her country and her people and to maintain the principles of

constitutional government. as we now mark with gratitude, a promise most faithfully fulfilled, i am determined with god's help and with yours to follow that inspiring example. the title of duke of rosi and other scottish titles which i have had the honor to carry for so long i now pass to my eldest son, william, who i know will be as proud as i have been to bear the symbols of this ancient kingdom. i take up my new duties for thankfulness for all that scotland has given me. with resolve to seek always the welfare of our country and its people and with whole hearted trust in your goodwill and good counsel as we take forward that

task together. >> thank you. thank you, your majesty. i now close this meeting of the parliament. >> good day. another extraordinary historic day. within just a matter of hours has interwoven the constitutional, political and of course the emotional for millions in the uk because the outpouring of grief continues. you heard it in those statements. right now king charles inside the scottish parliament where he did receive messages of condolen

condolense. thousands of people taking time out of their workday to come here. some wiping away tears. some spending hours reading messages left and leaving their own messages. roughly 400 in her beloved scotland. the daily express calls it the queen's journey beginning. this is a time for the public but also for the royal family. all of us following these stunning images we saw just a few hours ago. king charles and three siblings leading the procession that brought the queen's coffin to st. giles' qaa thaoel ral in edinburgh. it was nearly silent. you could actually hear the

horses' hooves striking the pavement. it will continue for a total of 24 hours because members of the public are being given their chance to say good-bye in person. this morning we saw the king and queen consort taking time to greet the clouds outside hollywood house. the queen's official residence in scotland. while it was a favorite place of the queen's, the king has not been as popular in that country. with he see him beginning to work to strengthen ties, including a meeting with the scottish leader. today is part of that larger balancing act that the king and the rest of the royal family are dealing with, even in the middle of their grief. how do they keep the monarchy strong at a time when countries under the crown are renewing conversations about breaking away and when the professional and circumstance offer a jarring contrast to the everyday economic struggles.

i want to bring in senior international correspondent keir simmons. and, keir, we were listening to all of these speeches. the one that i noted by the first minister told a very funny story about the corgi chewing away at the cord. there was a cutaway shot as we call it. you could see the king react reacting. this is humanizing. it cannot be easy to spend 10 days. he laughed first and then he seemed to sigh. and i thought seeing that, that it must be something that you never get to have your mother to yourself even in death, you have to share her. of course he's known that his whole life. what you said at the beginning is so right. he of course has to deal with the political reality.

i think some of the things that he will do, you heard in his speech there. so he will try to use language. he is a wordsmith. i loved what he had to say that the queen found in the hills of this land and the hearts of its people a haven and a home. words can turn opinions. and i thought that is what you saw him start to do. robert byrnes, that great scottish man of words. that will have resonated with the scottish people. the queen will somewhere, wherever her soul is now, she will be loving all of this in scotland. because she loved scotland. and the royal family will want to keep the united kingdom together. in the end it is the peoples' choice. brexit and many other political forces of decades gone by, there is pressure over that. it is possible that what's

happening right now ultimately helps the united kingdom to stay united and not split apart. . >> tim, did you hear a political message in what the king just had to say and across the breadth of what we have seen today? . >> no. i'm afraid i didn't. the king knows very well, as his mother did, he made an off the cuff comment a few years ago, he knows very well that scottish politics is an area he cannot possibly be seem to be stepping. now, scottish tphdz is not necessarily linked with receivering ties with the monarchy. that is not what they are proposing. they have said they can be independent but still retain the british monarch as the head of state. so it's a rather more complicated issue than that. king charles has got to win the public over all parts of the

united, not just scotland. and that's a big challenge for him. we have said many times before he starts with history, with not being terribly popular. in scotland, he willen hater from his mother an affection for the monarchy that will serve it well in the long term. stphrp so that end i was listening to a number of different british commentators today. to a person, they all talked about what they thought was the pitch perfect appearance of a king since the death of his mother, that they think it is helping the royal family. it is helping the monarchy. to what extent it might help in some of these places where frankly they're not sure they want to be part of the monarchy anymore. they don't want to necessarily recognize it. give me your sweeping view of what we've seen. and today in particular, when i

saw the image of the queen's casket with the crown and the flowers sitting on top, almost said to so many people who have said to me here, i still can't believe it, that this is the reality now. this is a monumental change. >> yeah. i think you have hit the nail on the head there really. it doesn't feel like the right time for british people to be discussing the future of things like the commonwealth, scottish independence. in spite of the queen's coffin, is making us grieve. i think the images we have seen today will resonate very powerfully with people across this country. and we're going to see a lot more of it in the days ahead. we're heading towards a very, very big state funeral in a week's time, throughout which hundreds of thousands of people are expected to line the streets

of london. to answer your question, my personal opinion is charles has got off to a good start. he started at the point of not being popular amongst british people. he has shown he has a sense of reacting with those people. we have seen him again today when he arrived in edinburgh, doing another walk about, shaking more hands. reacting with the people. and he's very, very good at that. he's not aloof. and that may help him a lot. so i think it's impossible to say what will happen in the weeks and months ago. but i think as far as he can he's made a pretty good start. >> the other thing we heard from the new king today, keir, was the mention of william. william is going to be taking on many of the responsibilities that he held. he is someone who frankly is, according to the opinion polls,

far more popular than his father the king is. what will be his role, and how important is what we see from him? we haven't seen the grandchildren in a couple of days since they did the walk about today. what will be the importance of the appearances he makes in the coming days up to the funeral a week from now? . >> when it comes to the grandchildren, he and kate will be very protective. we heard him over the weekend saying the queen died just days before they started at a new school and how difficult that is. and anybody who has kids will recognize just exactly what that's like within a family. i think the celebrations you saw here at buckingham palace for the queen's 70th anniversary showed the extent to which they will want to weave together their different stories. with he talk about a slimmed down monarchy. william and kate.

i don't think you can have queen consort camilla without the prince and princess of wales, william and kate, they are going to come as a package, i'll put it that way. there is -- the newspapers are talking about king charles as a kind of grandfather of the nation. and if that is the case, i think william and kate are without a doubt going to be the glamour of the nation. that is as it should be. in the past, let's just say it, there has been questions over whether charles gets a little bit jealous, has got a little bit jealous of our royals, famously his late wife, getting more attention than he is. he is past that. of course he's king now. that eubgs ma all the difference. >> all the difference in the world. thank you both so much. later this hour, i'm going to be speaking with someone who worked for the queen for more than a decade why he describes

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in little more than two weeks, it is likely we will see the return of the january 6th committee. we don't know exactly when they will announce the date officially or what the topic will be. but that timing would put it close to the midterms. and that's not all. in that investigation tied to the documents seized at mar-a-lago, the former president's team is pushing back to the request for a stay and once again raising questions over the classification status of some of the documents seized by the fbi calling this, at its core, a document storage dispute that has spiraled out of control. that dispute, just as new questions are being raised over exactly who the special master will be, how much power they'll have, how long the review shall last. and at the end of the day, who is going to pick up the check from this investigation? as for the who here, trump and the doj dropped their top picks for the role on friday. both camps have until the end of

today to file any objections to the nominees. ryan riley, nbc capitol hill ali vitale and professor at the university of michigan long school, barbara mcquaid. ali, this january 6th news, the hearing is likely going to be september 28th. what are you hearing from the committee about the path forward? . >> right now it's in flux. they're looking to see exactly how many hearings they're going to do this coming fall. we have heard two, potentially three being bantered about. the committee is going to huddle at a retreat tomorrow. it is there they will talk about the path forward, including the likely next hearing date september 28th. meaning all of us will be camped out outside the hearing room for the kickoff of these fall hearings that could in some ways be a wrap-up that takes us past the timeline of january 6th showing this is a continued threat from the former

president. but there are also a lot of questions about what the committee will include and whether or not they will talk to people about former vice president mike pence who left the door open if he was subpoenaed by the committee. the other is posed to other people here in congress, senators on the intelligence committee who have open questions around the mar-a-lago documents. in my conversations with senator mark warner he stressed the need for lawmakers to be briefed in the interim period. we already know they have asked for a damage assessment. that takes several months. it's a process ta could be slowed down now by this request for a special master. certainly lawmakers in the house and senate, very interested in getting briefed on what was in these mar-a-lago documents even as the january 6th committee continues its parallel work, chris. >> let me ask you, barbara, about what you would like to see from the january 6th committee in this latest act we think will start at the end of the month.

>> well, i think two things remain unexplored. one, the extent to which stkprufpl those close to him utilized that opportunity to fund raise, asking for money based on the false statement that the election had been stolen. we got a little smidge of that when it was referred to by congresswoman zoe lofgren as the big ripoff. i think delving into that could be useful. not only could it be an independent crime but a motive for donald trump. the other missing piece is a direct connection between donald trump and those who stormed the capitol, including the oath keepers and the proud boys. it may very well be this is something that the justice department is investigating. but it would be useful i think to determine what kind of connections there are between those groups and the people who are in that willard room war room on january 5th. those are the two areas that, some my view, remain unexplored in their entirety.

. >> meantime, ryan, let's talk about the latest filing from team trump. what will it mean for the investigation? . >> well, the team trump is trying to go back against doj's arguments i think that came through clearly. they were really frustrated by this idea that there was a question whether classified documents could be personal records. i think you saw it bleed through from doj that they were frustrated with that argument. there shouldn't be a real contention over the issue of whether or not documents with classification markings were government documents or not. they're just on their face not the personal property of donald trump. so they are trying to separate a component of this. doj is facing another deadline this evening which i think we will hear more from the doj and what they think and how the investigation should move forward. . >> barbara, for both the doj and trump's picks to be special master here, it's not just the who that needs to be decided but

what they should examine, how long it might take. something that is already contentious, who should be paying for it. what will you be watching for some. >> all of those things you just mentioned are important. the most important is whether the justice department gets to carve out 100 or so classified documents. that's the part that the government urgently wants to be able to revideo you to conduct its risk assessment of damage to the intelligence community. and i think in this new filing, trump's lawyers did concede a little bit here. they agree this is of urgent concern. and they also conceded that to the extent it is inextricably intertwined with the criminal investigation, it should go forward and nothing in the judge's prior order pro includes that. i expect the judge to take that ball and run with it to carve out this for the justice department to look at it without claims later that the review of the documents by the fbi somehow

tainted the investigation. that kind of language in the order would be important to the justice department. i think they gave just that little smidge of an opening to allow that to occur. i think that's likely the justice department's biggest concern. >> thanks to all of you. also, tonight, former u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york geoffrey berman joins rachel maddow to reflect on his experience with former president trump's justice department. watch don't at 9:00 p.m. eastern only on msnbc. vladimir putin is suffering his biggest embarrassment on the battlefield yesterday. ukraine's armed forces broke through land that russia took earlier in the room with the stronghold of kharkiv. according to the british defense ministry, russian forces have likely withdrawn units from that area. if you want a sense of how much this win-wins to ukraine, its people and forces, look at this

video. it shows troops raising the ukrainian flag. they played the national anthem and saluted after pushing through you that city. ♪♪ nbc news foreign correspondent is in kyiv. retired major john spencer, chair of urban warfare studies. good to have both of you here. let's talk first, if i can, meagan, how much territory has ukraine taken back and how much hope and momentum has that given troops? >> reporter: this is a game changer, chris, for the country. certainly for the troops. but residents always had faith

their military would win this. seeing the advancements and how quickly they have been able to seize back territory has given this renewed sense of hope that they can really win this war. what we have seen is this counteroffensive was launched two weeks ago today. the goal was to start in the southern part of the country in kherson. we saw the russians seize quickly on in the beginning of the war. what actually happened is ukrainian troops pushed the front line in the kharkiv region in the northeastern part of the country. this is the second largest city in ukraine where the president said they have been able to seize back 30 territories, 30 settlements and villages there. 1300 square miles of land there. the uk defense ministry saying that the land they seized is twice the size of greater london. we are seeing new videos taken

by troops on the front line when they liberate towns, people coming out, hugging these troops. tearful and thanking them for liberating them. many had been living in occupied territory by the russians for several months. this is incredibly significant not only to the communities being liberated to the country but the men and women on the front line, chris. >> meagan, thank you so much for that. john, you said this shows they have the ability to win this war. very few people would have predicted the army would still be stranding 200 days in. how have they done it and what do you see them to go going forward? . >> i just got back from there in june. i could see in their eyes they were boeing to win. it was not a matter of if. it was when. 24er had he showing they are a superior military. they had the will to fight. the russians don't. and the russians aren't just withdrawing.

they're collaping all across the front. they look like homeless camps is what's being discovered. they just abandoned tanks, artillery, ammunition depos. . >> i want to read reporting from the "new york times". quote, the speed of ukraine's advances, an area used by russia as a stronghold has muted the bluster of cheerleaders. it has also undermined arguments in places like germany that providing more and better arms to ukraine would only lead to a long and bloody stalemate against a russian military destined to win. do you think we will see that from the u.s. and allied countries? what specifically do you think they need at this stage of the game?

>> so absolutely i think it will continue. the u.s.'s bipartisan support has allowed ukrainians to achieve success. multiple launch rocket systems are thousands and thousands of artillery rounds. they are making every round count. it is the life blood of their ability to do this. they still need were supplies. this is showing the world this war won't last for years. this is months. if they continue to get supplies like they have from the united states, uk, germany, other people, they can end this quickly and reestablish their sovereign borders. this is an illegal war by all measures. and the ukrainians are fracturing putin's regime as a whole. but they're winning, and nobody can deny them that today. >> extraordinary.

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official statement from prince harry on his grandmother's death. in it he says his grandmother could be, quote, sorely missed, not just by us but by the world over. it comes two days after harry and wife meghan, new prince and princess of wales, stunned the assembled crowd and many royal watchers frankly by making a joint appearance at windsor, in a moment that instantly made headlines around the world. i want to bring in victoria howard, editor and founder of the crown chronicles, and darren mcgrady who worked as the queen's personal chef. it's good to have both of you here. victoria, in a statement, harry specifically mentioned, quote, my darling wife meghan and his children, talked about the meeting, their grandmother, but has there been a true re-set for this family? is there, in any way, a coming together of the family, because of the death of the queen?

>> i think to see william and kate, to have them together and greet the crowds and reflect on the queen's life, i think this could be similar to what we saw after prince philip's death where it was very different circumstances, with a lockdown at that time, of course, with the restrictions in the u.k., and actually harry and william can spend some time together, and both at windsor, and now the new titles, have moved to windsor, and harry and meghan find themselves here, and i think it is a chance to have those conversations and i think coming back together, as a family, and this has been played out so bitterly in the papers, very publicly. >> let me ask you about the family as you knew them. i know you worked for both the queen and for princess diana.

the death of their mother, of will and harry's mom, brought them so close, do you think the death of their grandmother could do the same, and tell us about your observation about them as a family. >> yeah, i mean, it's sad what happened with the boys, it's good that possibly, this is bringing them together, and i think the main focus right now is on the queen and not on what's going on between william and harry. i mean this is just sad times. and i think the main focus should be about what's going on. >> you saw her in a way that few did. hine the scenes, the real queen, so to speak, in her most private moments, what's the story you love to tell most, or what is it you think that the people didn't get to see of queen elizabeth, that you would want hem to know? >>. >> i spent 11 years as a private

chef, wooking breakfast, lunch, afternoon tea and dinner, and behind the scenes, i got to see, you know, what the queen was really like when she was with her family, when she was at balmoral, when she was there, and it breaks my heart seeing her in edinburgh like this, and for years, going there every year, and we would be doing garden parties and lunches, and they were such fun and happy times. the queen was just an incredible person. and behind the scenes, she was just so loving with her family, when she could literally take off the tiara, and put on the wellington boots and the head scarf and go walking the doggies in the park. >> it is true, victoria, that women and kate are already very popular, but they're going have new and very important jobs now. what do you think they learned from the queen, and what would you expect to see them in the coming days? >> i think she was a great

example for them. the one thing that everyone can know and actually believe about the queen is her dedication to her duty. i think there were one or two times in that entire reign in the 70 years that she ever put anything else in front of her dedication to the monarchy, one of those times of course being after princess diana's death and helped william and harry to help protect them and shield them from the mayhem ensuing. and for them, i think it showed the dedication, and actually that this is a really important thing to dedicate their lives too to and give themselves wholeheartedly to that. so in the coming days, i think of course, we're going to see more support from william visibly, to the new king charles iii, and in the months coming, i think we're going to see them return to wales, william released a statement recently, in the last couple of days, saying with the new title, he

and katherine are dedicating themselves to that connection to wales, so we're expecting to see them to head to wales to meet the people, to understand the challenges facing the society, the community there, and to really embed themselves farther, much as prince charles did, year after year after year in order to sustain that connection which of course people are talking about at the moment in terms. union, whether scotland remains, and wales of course is a part of that, so i think we will see a lot more engagements, a lot more visible, now they are prince and princess of wales, but they are going to take their own path, they're going to do things a little bit differently than charles, in that they are doing some more umbrella causes, so instead of facing, you know, a number of charities, they're going to go to the causes instead, that unite them under one umbrella. >> victoria howard, thank you

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