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charles himself. earlier all of them walked alongside her hearse as it made to the historic cobbled royal mile. each in lock step. tomorrow, the queen's body will be flown back to buckingham palace for a week of more processionals and goodbyes, awash in pageantry born of another age. her funeral is a week from today. the country's first traditional state funeral since winston churchill in 1965. prince philip who died last year personally requested not have one. princess diana and the queen mother both had what is called a royal ceremonial funeral. in fact the last state funeral for a sovereign was for the queen's own father, back in 1952. according to the times, planners in the capital say london could be quote full for the first time in its history. at least 750,000, probably more, are set to flood westminster

hall to pay their respects and file past her coffin. the line is expected to be five miles long, with a possible 20-hour wait to get in. bring your own food. prepare to stand the whole time. the anticipated mourners acknowledging whether conscious or not that this is history. queen elizabeth is likely the last queen any of us will ever know. the next three generations in the line of royal succession are all male. >> we embrace the relationship and you know, in our lifetime, we just embrace, our president, we used to call her queen elizabeth, that means she is just one of us, she is a woman, she is a mama, to us mothers she

epitomized the strength that a woman carries, that you empower the woman, you empower the nation. >> the strength a woman carries. joining me from edinburgh, is nbc's kelly cobiella. what has it been like there today? >> reporter: i mean, katy, so many people are still here, we were just on the royal mile, where that procession took place, about an hour ago, and the crowds are still so thick, you can't walk down the street. it's impossible, so many people want it get into st. giles cathedral this evening to pay their final respects, to say one last goodbye to this extraordinary woman, who is a monarch in this country for 70 years. even before the procession started, we were talking to people who were waiting for a long time, who knew they didn't have a view of the street, weren't going to be able to see the coffin go by, as that procession passed, but still

wanted to be there to observe the moment, to mark the day, to be part of history. that funeral procession moved so solely, it was so beautiful seeing the company of royal archers, the king and his siblings walking behind the coffin and it moved so slowly that people could actually have a moment really and take it in. and we talked to. so people who were down there today, and here's a little bit of what they had to say. >> it's an important moment. >> that's why you're here. >> both of you. >> yes. >> she has been around for so long, i never knew another queen, so it's definitely an important moment for us. >> the memories we hold, the moment. >> and some of those people we

spoke to today will brave those lines, they'll try to get into the cathedral, the queen will be lying at rest, for roughly the next 24 hours, so not too much time for people to get in here, and then of course, the queen's coffin is moved down to london, tomorrow night. where there will be four days of lying in state at westminster hall, and as you said, long, long, long lines expected there. >> very long. we're looking at the pictures again, from a little bit earlier, king charles and his siblings walking in lock-step and just the lines of people, the crowd, the throng of people, lining that very narrow cobblestone streets. joining us is the editor of the telegraph, covering politics and the royals, camilla, andrew roberts is also with us, and staff writer at "vanity fair" and co-host of vanity fair's dynasty podcast, erin

vanderhout. >> we have an american audience, and to an american audience, much of this seems boring and silly at times with all of the costume and the pageantry, but what strikes me about what this country has that america does not have is we are so divided by politics, our head of state is a president, a political figure, this country is also divided by politics, but what this country has is something higher to look toward, to rally behind, and to unify them, for better or worse, what has it meant to have a figurehead like the queen. >> it is so important to have a figurehead that transcends not only politics but also celebrity. they're a cut above. and they are pushing their own gend. and pushing the agenda of the institution, but actually that partnership means if you're not taking sides then you represent everyone. and there has been something very refreshing about the late queen's reign, in that she hasn't felt the need to give introduce, she has remained quite elusive, even though she

is the most well known woman in the world, and that's because it isn't about her necessarily, i know the poster has been and will be until the state funeral, it is about the crowd and the continuity of the crowd. >> and to see everyone in the costumed uniforms and the pomp and pageantry, that's reassure together british public, while the individual changes happens, the monarchy endures and for people who were completely destabilized by the news of the queen's death and what comes next and is king charles iii living up to expectation and will we have continuity, that's what they need to see, they need to see smooth transition carried out with a kind of military precision we're used to. >> part of what the pageantry is all about. andrew, this funeral that will take place on monday, to call it a big to do is quite an understatement. you have heads of state and dignitaries traveling from all

over, and "politico" here in the u.k. is reporting this. four heads of state and their spouses have been asked to arrive in the u.k. on commercial flights and banned from using helicopters, to get around. world leaders have also been told they cannot use their own state cars to attend the funeral at westminster abby on september 19th. and will instead be bussed en masse from the site in west london. now, we have to imagine that air force one might be the exception to that, because president biden is coming, but i hope you can help me reflect on, and understand this, the anorm ty of what we are about to see, the enormity of what we are about to see, what we are about to see with this funeral on monday. >> certainly. if the "politico" report is true, it will be fairly extraordinary. but it's forced on the, essentially the security services because there are going to be so many people around. as you said, i think with regard

to the helicopter, that might happen, but nonetheless, it does seem remarkable, if it happens. and 750,000, maybe a million people are coming, it hasn't been seen for 70 years and probably won't be seen for another 25 years or so, and people like to be part of history and the continuity, this is the absolute pinnacle of that. >> you know, when it comes to who is coming, and just the age range, we're talking about joe biden, this is likely the last changeover that he will see, the last changeover that a lot of people will see, and when luke down the line, as i mentioned a moment ago, this is the last queen that any of us are ever to know unless something strange happens. or untimely happens. you have kins charles, you have prince william, and then you have prince george, in the line of royal succession, and erin, i

spoke to those two women from south africa, who said what it meant to them to have a queen on the throne, i'm hoping you can expand on that. >> to have a queen on the throne really, especially a woman who came in when she was a mother, and a lot of, she really understood what it was like for working mothers and in a time of great change, she kind of represented the vanguard of that change, before the change really happened. and i think that she has been so part of successive generations because of that. >> camilla, part of the enduring quality of this monarchy in the past 70 years is the popularity of the queen. she has been said to have saved the monarchy, when we look down the line, another 100 years from now, are we confident, are you confident that it's still going to exist? there is a generational divide between the older generations in this country and the younger generations, for their support

and their need of a monarch ny. >> bearing in mind the british monarchy has been around for a thousand years, and actually think about the queen's reign itself and how much extraordinary change she witnessed. she witnessed an absolute technology revolution and managed to catch up with it and i thought it was interesting king charles iii trying to embrace that modernity, with the walk here, we himmages on the scene, posted on graham. the contrast between the people wearing the uniform and those with the iphones it is stark. the last time we saw images like this, they were in black and white and featured a 25-year-old woman. so there is no reason why it shouldn't endure. i think the role that the prince and princess of wales will make with their children is going to be instrumental because they are the future. it could even be quite difficult for kins king charles and camilla not to seem like the

world's sandwich generation, pushed back by the popularity of younger royalty, perhaps to have more relateability to some of the younger people who are gathered here today. >> what he does have though, he speaking so passionately about the environment and that is a cause that the younger generations feel more passionately about as well, but as monarch, he said he is going to step back from championing the issues and the charities that he has in the past, but would, i wonder if there is a tension there, between the desire to maybe get in a little bit more, in order to identify, to connect with the younger generation. >> you can't put the genie back in the bottle that has been the longest serving heir apparent in history. i mean i would be interesting to hear what andrew thinks. my personal opinion of him is the way to connect to the public is giving emotional, wear your heart on your sleeve speeches like he did in the first address, he is a deeply emotional man and a deep thinker and that is more relatable for this generation, and to

overshare a little bit more on social media and beyond. and also, the fact that he hasn't really worn a uniform, and he will for the state funeral, major ceremonial aspect but this idea of morning dress, that's unprecedented and being more of a king of the people than somebody who is distant and somebody who is untouchable. >> erin, we will go to you on that point. what are your thoughts? >> well, my thoughts is he is pretty much that he is wearing that uniform, and not sure how relatable a morning suit is to the younger generations, it is a costume essentially, and that is, that shows he is the king. he looks like he is the bit, it is our mental image of a king. but he has made very clear, both in the counsel and the speech to parliament, that he is not going

to be otherwise at buckingham palace, and with politic, in the way that he sort of essentially did as prince of wales. he is going to stick to his responsibilities and only bring up politics with his prime minister every tuesday afternoon. and one can feel that those prime ministers are going to have a lot of, they're going to have their ears bent. >> erin, what about you? >> so i've noticed in diving in a lot of the data about this, that you see something really funny, which is that the popularity of individual royals make go up and down, but the popularity for the idea of a monarchy is pretty separate from the up and down of it otherwise. so right now charles is not one of the more popular royals. he is pretty down on the list actual limit but i think he will have a bump just because he has done so well with those early addresses and having the entire

family together, and feeling really cohesive for the first time in a long time, and from here on, i mean it is just kind of depends a lot on political wills, and you can see that none of the major political parties in england run on the idea of a republic, because it is just not popular, and you know, if the gen-z does what millennials did, which is as more millennials became adult working, with the royals, with the monarchy, and with gen-z, and if meghan or harry have been making, mending their ties and archie and lilibet become public figures, you could see the numbers change. >> the queen and the mo ar, monarch now, the king, have an important diplomatic role to play and the queen played that across the world notably in ireland, i spoke to a mother from ireland, who lives here now about, what the queen meant to her, and let me play that.

>> she really made a big difference in ireland and british relationships by the gestures she made. she went to historical significant places where irish people were killed during the troubles and she also had a pint of guinness, so i think she made good steps toward sort of appeasing the kind of the relationships between the two countries. >> do you feel that warmly toward charles? >> no, the queen seemed a genuine person where i don't see that warmth from charles. >> ka ma la, that is a challenge that charles gas. >> as prince of wales, the prince of wales role, if he's a middle aged role, i don't mean to disrespect many, but perhaps people can take it or leave it, but once he becomes our king, and that's why we saw the reception spontaneously people declaring god save the king, when he made his first appearance down here, i mean incidentally, that did take him by surprise, i spoke to his

aides afrd, and he was surprised by the support, and with the breakdown since princess diana, and it does change perception, that there is hope behind these gates here that actually people will come to realize that in the past, it is an adulterer and maybe poker faced and taking himself a bit seriously and actually they want the public to see him as a grandfatherly figure and the experience of his mother, he learned from the best, he learned from her in preparation to become king. >> thank you all for starting us off today. still ahead, the royal family's vigil for the late queen. what king charles and his siblings will do to honor their mother's life. >> and is this the moment to break away? what commonwealth nations are saying about casting off the monarchy. what we're hearing in canada today. plus, donald trump responded to the d.o.j., what his lawyers

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mission of government or opening the olympics, you have served us well and we wish all of our luck to you and your son charles. thank you. god save our queen. >> people from across the united kingdom including that young man continue to pour into london with tributes celebrating the life of queen elizabeth. right now, we are again watching saint giles cathedral in scotland where king charles and other members of the royal family will eventually hold a vigil by her coffin, replacing those four men in uniform you see there. joining us is msnbc national correspondent keir simons and we are watching the public file in and pay their respects to queen elizabeth, and this is the last time that the scottish public will be able to file by it. is remarkable to see how many people are showing up. >> incredible. and the scottish people in their

silence, they're silently walking by, saying how much they loved the queen and the queen loved them back and it has been said again and again and it was said again and again in the scottish parliament and the queen, and we know balmoral was her favorite place and why did she love scotland so mum? because it is so beautiful and so private and she able to go there and getting away from the prying press and talking about stories, journalists, trying to get pictures of queen victoria, from a distance, at balmoral, not easy to do. much, much easier to see them here, of course. so that's another reason why she loved scotland. we also know, we have this saying here, in britain, an outdoors-y type, which means you what it says, you might be outdoors, the queen was certainly that and that is the kind of place scotland is. >> despite all of the pomp and pageantry she was on a near

daily basis what she liked best is to be in mud shoes. >> probably because of the pomp and pageantry, and all of the openings that she had to go to, and what did her husband prince philip call himself, the chief opener or something, the chief venue opener, i can't remember the exact quote, but it was good when he said it and not very good when i said it. >> a good story out of the scottish parliament today, about balmoral, she was talking about how she was having dinner, and the lights started to flicker and to her horror her husband got up and ran to the light and it turned out one of the queen's corgys was chewing through a cord and she felt a little better and the corgy got a telling to by the mistress. i'm struck by all of the stories, so many politicians had about their time with her and nicholas surgeon, and being a part of, you know, scotland and the scottish referendum, she was aware that maintaining a tie to

the monarch would be necessary even if she and her party did not want to break away. they were clear that they would want to keep the monarch even if they split from the united kingdom, and i think it is not surprising that they would say that, because in the end there is a lot of affection still in scotland for the royal family. i thought that story she told was interesting, because there was a cut-away, as we call it in tv, of prince charles, and he laughed at her story, and then he seemed to kind of sigh a little bit, and i thought like i saw in there, somebody who has always had to share his mother with everybody, and everybody has a story of the queen, but of course, it's his mom and she can never be only his. and again, to say this again and again, that is the nature of service, the nature of duty, the nature of public life, and the royal family in public life all the time, even if they're in private. >> keir, thank you very much for

being with us today. appreciate it. >> you bet. and with me the deputy ambassador of the british embassy in washington, james roscoe, and a former press secretary for queen elizabeth ii, james thank you for being with us. first off, since wrut former press secretary, i'm wondering, do you have any stories that you can share with us, maybe a time where she dropped her shoes on the ground and put them on her plate and caught by the queen, or the corgys, the wiring of the lights at balmoral? >> i've got a personal story that i would like to share, but there is another wonderful story which tells us something about the queen, and about the corgys, which she used to have lunches once a week or so, where a cross-section of people from all over the country would be invited, and they would be academics, interesting business people, artists, musicians, and there would be a small lunch, sort of ten, 12 people or so,

and there's a story told by a gentleman, a surgeon in afghanistan, and he was talking to the queen, and she was asking him about his time there, and obviously it was very traumatic for him, and he talks about really struggling and being on the brink of breaking down at one point, and the queen sees this, and instead of pursuing the line of questioning, she asked him to open a little box on the table and there were some dog treats in there for the corgys and she spends the next 20 minutes or so of the lunch with him, just feeding the corgys under the table, and he says something like, you know, there you are, that's much better than having to talk about things, isn't it? and it just shows i think how she was an extraordinary monarch and queen, but she was also an incredible human. and able to really relate to people, in a very human level. >> david cameron spoke this morning with savannah guthrie,

on the "today" show, and was talking about something we have been wondering about, which is the, the wealth of knowledge that she had in those private meetings with the prime minister, and what it meant for him, i believe he was the 11th prime minister, to walk in there, and talk to her about his troubles. let's play what he said. >> i was the 12th prime minister, she started with winston churchill, so she heard it all before, all of the problem, all of the difficulties, she asked great questions, and you always came out of it, the world crisis hasn't gotten any better but you came out of the meeting feeling you had a way of solving problems because you had been with this amazing extraordinary public servant. >> the 12th prime minister, excuse me, there were 11 before him, where she could pull from her wealth of knowledge. it's going to be different now. king charles is new to the job.

liz truss, new to the job. >> i think a little different, i mean two different personalities, and it is extraordinary to sort of start the week with one monarch and one prime minister, and end it with two different ones, so historically, as you say, but the queen was extraordinary. she did have insights and knowledge and the ability to remember things was incredible. i remember silting next to her at dinner, i mentioned i served in sierra leone and she instantly transported back to 1961 when she visited and remembered in minute detail the name of the prime minister and all sorts of things. it was incredible. the prince of wales who is king has had all of that experience of being prince of wales and will bring that with him to the monarch and i think he will be many of the things that the

queen was and i think the camera is respecting on that, and will be perceptive and thoughtful and he spent a lot of time over the last 50 years of his life really thinking very deeply about what it means to be king and i think he will bring that to the conversation with the prime minister as well. so i don't think, i think as was said a few minutes ago, that this will be putting the prime minister on the spot. i am not sure it will be. i think he will take his role, to listen and to warn, and to engage with the prime minister very seriously. >> to many of the world's politicians, oftentimes she would be there for them as well. thank you very much for being with us. the queen's death reignites questions about the future of the commonwealth. for countries like jamaica and canada. canada declared their independence from the crown. we'll go live to canada. first, a new court filing on

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though are live pictures of king charles going back up the royal mile to saint giles cathedral in scotland where he will stand vigil alongside his two brothers and sister, and this is the first time a princess will be standing vigil for a late monarch. we will go there once that begins. you can see that happening right now. on the subject of the commonwealth, at the same time, many in the commonwealth are questioning the monarch's question in their governments and laying the ground work to potentially become republics, independent of the crown. nbc's kristen dahlgren joins us now from ottawa, canada, the official residence for the crown there. what are folks telling you? >> hi are there, katy, this is where the queen would come on her many visits to canada and where we're seeing mourners come and laying flowers down and a condolence book is here, and visitors coming the past few

days to sign. very supportive of queen elizabeth ii. a poll that was done several years ago showed more than half of the send ians were supportive of the queen and the monarchy but many are asking, as prince charles is named the head of state in canada, whether that support will carry over to king charles. and here's what people had to tell us. >> i think a lot of canadians are maybe expecting -- i don't know if they're liking charles. >> i think a majority of canadians are into the royal family and their monarchy. >> i can't say it is ever where i was a much of a monarchist but when asked, you realize what she had represented to all of us. >> there are split theories here about the future, obviously the country now in a period of mourning, and these are

conversations that are happening, but nothing really being called for at this point. remember, canada is a constitutional monarchy. and so while some countries like antigua promised to have a vote on whether or not to become a republic, it is much more complicated when it is actually enshrined in your constitution, the court system of course is set up with the crown as the head and on behalf of the crown, a lot of the governing happens here, and so it would be a much more complicated process to begin to remove it, and as of now, we're not hearing any calls, any official calls to do anything about the monarchy. new zealand, sort of a similar situation, was saying earlier today, that they do in fact in their lifetime to see that country do away with the monarchy but not any time soon. >> kristen, thank you very much. and i just want to point our viewers to what's happening to the right, what you're seeing

now is king charles, along with his brothers and sister,ster saint giles cathedral, they will stand in vigil. king charles is in mourning dress, and is in prince andrew, not allowed to wear his military uniform, but you are seeing princess ann in military uniform alongside prince edward. and again, this is the first time a princess has ever done this, queen elizabeth did not do this for her father, when he passed, he did not have a vigil of this nature. let's bring in former managing editor of the sunday times in london, clive irving and just because we're watching these images, i would like to get your thoughts on what we're seeing. >> yes, it's, i think that princess ann is an underrated member of the royal family. it's good to see her emerge now. she was the most, of all of the children, she was the most like prince philip, very assertive, very confident, always there

behind the leaders and i think a continuous influence on her mother, and i think it should be very helpful to king charles iii to have her by his side. and i think she's got a kind of a political realm that he didn't have. >> and clive, what we're seeing today, it's part of the pageantry that you and i have spoke about, it's also eliciting quite a bit of emotion from people all over the world and even people not necessarily fan was monarch. and you can see, there they're standing in silence now. just because of the devotion that her queen herself, as a human inspired in so many people. >> i think throughout the commonwealth, the queen and the commonwealth, part of its invention, as a way of segueing from the empire, to a more democratic system, and she showed enormous poise and

bravery early on when the prime minister and the american president intervened, which is a really crazy country then, and was leading toward soviet russians, being rule bid soviet russia, and she was asked to go to the capital of ghana, and to see the president, and move him away from the russian influence. when she agreed to arrive in an open car through the street, even though she was warned by the front office that it was dangerous because there will h-been bombings and protests, not against her, but divisions within the country, and she did that, and she delivered ghana, to both the u.k., commonwealth, and to america, as a power from the west and from that moment on, she was invested in the commonwealth, and even though the commonwealth is by no means a model example, it contains several despots with and that is

not true otherwise. >> and there are questions, where king charles will be with the commonwealth and whether he will be as accepted as his mother was. let's talk a little bit about scotland, since we're watching this, and the royal standard that we're seeing on the casket, it's the royal standard of scottland, the two yellow quadrants, with the lion, that's different from the united kingdom's, and then you are seeing the scottish crown which is a whole lot of history, and the wreath with many of the flowers from balmoral, some of the favorites of the queen. >> this would be a seismic shift if scotland were to break away from the union, obviously, and that is now the biggest challenge to charles, to try and keep that way. the queen's commitment to scotland was very personal. absolutely in a strange way, knowing that she was dying, over

the last few months, she was kind of pacing herself, to get to balmoral, by august, in order to die there. >> clive, i'm going to have you stand by, i'm also going to bring in camilla and keir, to live in this moment for a second. and i think it's worth repeating that we haven't seen this with a princess before, camilla? >> no, we haven't seen this with princess ann, obviously, because for generations, didn't have the senior females taking part, so as you said earlier, the queen's father, george v, it was the queen mother, that it was the first time the monarch has taken place and it is a period of deep personal reflection for the queen's three children here, as well as us looking on in, at this ancient tradition, and ceremony, again, being played out before the world's gaze. >> you know, we have to mention andrew's there, not wearing his

military dress, keir, he has been a controversial member of the royal family, to put it lightly. >> yes, but then of course, the royal family has to navigate those kinds of things all the time. and camilla was talking about george v, there was a vigil for king george v, well in that vigil was king henry viii, and of course at the time we didn't know, now we know, he very soon afterwards abdicated. >> that's okay. >> ant abdicated. and i think that caused a huge rice sis for the royal family. with w-what you're saying, it is worth remembering, it has been thought about, not just by king

charles, but by the late queen herself. so there are traditions, but there are also aspects that we would have wanted. i think the princess ann, taking part of this, it would be an example of that, they were very, very close, mother and daughter, and again, it's just another, many of these don't have to happen, the queen can choose from a range of traditions, that she wanted. and i suspect this is one of those. because remember, too, this is happening in scotland. and there will be likely be another one when her body comes here to london. >> she will lie in rest here. she will lie in state in westminster hall. and the work has been in the works, the casket, many decades as well, just in case, obviously. and andrew roberts, you're with us, also, and i just want to notes that the public that is

filing in, they were coming to pay their respects to the queen, and now they're coming and seeing the queen's children standing vigil and getting a chance to see their new king, and one of the hardest moments of his life. >> that's right. when one looking at the solemnity of the occasion and the look on the king's face, it is recognized that an important part of the british constitution is that kings come to the throne feeling sad for their parents, they don't come as some politicians do as having won, being triumphant and so on, they actually enter into the job with a sense of solemnity, and this scene is tremendously dignified, it strikes me. >> clive, i'm hoping to go back to you, and get what your thoughts are now, as we watch

this. >> yes, it's, for all of us, it is a first experience, really, seeing this very deeply emotional tableau, call it a tableau, and obviously, it has been planned well in advance, and the represents the queen's own idea, because she was part of the planning. and watching it happen, she didn't of course assume that she was dying in scotland, we don't know whether this was improvised, after that, but when you see the whole core of the royal family in that state of emotion, standing there, it really is unprecedented, and you have to ask, how much longer this kind of ritual will survive in the modern world, because obviously, for the rest of the world, as the rest of the world looks on, while it is deeply emotional, it does look like

something out of the 20th century rather than the 21st century. that is not to take away the enormous impact of it now, and you can almost feel the emotion around that coffin, and the fact that andrew is there is very interesting, because i hope maybe that this might cause him to be a bit more humble than he has ever shown himself to be before, and he certainly looks upset and humble. >> and one aspect, standing, there quintessentially british, and that is the members of the public walking past in silence, even as those four senior members of the royal fam lick the queen, the royal family, the queen's family stand there in silence, and you can imagine hearts beating, can't you? ordinary folks like you and i, and having gone to pay your respects to the queen, and then,

there, before this extraordinary moment, and to be that close to them. >> i think that's a beautiful action. >> and i think the other thing, actually cliv was saying, can these traditions be upheld, we are in the modern era 2022, and the very reason people are tuning in to this and they are cueing in to see this ritual taking place is because this is what the british royal family is all about. it's steeped in tradition. it is part of the fabric of our history. and therefore people want to witness that. >> camilla, kei. are clive, andrew, everybody, thank you very much for joining us. that's going to do it for me today. hallie jackson is next. but let us take a few seconds just to watch in silence. when you really need to sleep. you reach for the really good stuff. zzzquil ultra helps you sleep better

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you are seeing a live look on the left-hand side of your screen, at the motorcade of king charles iii, just leaving the vigil for the late queen elizabeth, at historic saint jils cathedral in edinburgh, after a procession down the royal mile earlier today, as you can see the cars coming down the stretch, thousands of scottish people, sigh len and somber with this vigil, the last event in scotland after the queen's death in the country last week. her body is set to be moved to london's buckingham palace tomorrow. i want to bring in nbc news correspondent keir simmons who is outside the palace and andrew roberts, joining us as well. so here, an emotional last few minutes, as we've seen this last event in scotland, before the remembrances move to where you are in london, in a matter of hours here. you can see king charles and the queen consort there waving it looked like from the car. >>