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good tuesday morning. i am chris jansing, live, as you can see, outside buckingham palace in london. there's a lot of activity now in northern ireland because that's where king charles just left a service that concluded, and he spent a little time shaking hands but now is on his way home. charles was greeted earlier by thousands of mourners there before the body of his mother, queen elizabeth ii will return from london to scotland and
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tonight will be at buckingham palace. and the king's visit is a reminder of the history in the region marched by the violent sectarian conflict between loyalists and irish nationalists known as the troubles. and embodied by the 2012 photo of elizabeth shaking hands with the deputy first minister, a former commander in the irish republican army, the group responsible for assassinating her cousin in 1979. it was an event that rocked the royal family. that is the challenging historical context charles finds himself in as monarch, and the question now looming over his reign, what does the future of the region look like under his
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rule? any moment now, king charles and queen consort camilla will be heading to the airport to leave belfast to return here to london. here, where i am, we have seen it everywhere. the city is gearing up for unprecedented crowds. according to the associated press, security staff are preparing for millions of people to pay their respects to the late queen in the coming days, and later today her coffin will be moved from edinburgh scotland, back to where i am, buckingham palace, and it will be received by king charles and other members of the royal family, ahead of her funeral, six days from now. joining me, keir simmons, and daisy mcandrew, a chief correspondent, and a history professor from american
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university. i was struck today, and the rain is out and umbrellas up, and the huge numbers of people -- >> yeah. >> -- who are coming out. talk about what you are seeing and what we should be anticipating today? >> it's interesting you mention a security, and this is a absolute security nightmare for scotland yard, because it's difficult to do what the royal family will want them to do, which is to allow them to be close to the british people, particularly the king, and that's one of his key messages, and i am happy to come and talk and shake hands and take a kiss on occasion, and how do you manage the security of that? and then under a week's time, a funeral with leaders from around the world, president biden included. it is a headache, frankly, and, of course, it will be very, very special. it will be a week that
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celebrates the queen and also puts visually and incapsulates how important she was around the world to so many people. that trip to northern ireland, you said it all, really, for prince charles, this is political and personal, you said it again and again, and for prince charles you cannot estimate how important his great uncle was to him. he was like a father to him. he was killed in a bomb, and everybody knows bloody sunday, there was violence in all dimensions, but for the king, he has to continue what he did as prince of wales which is to go to northern ireland and be above all that, and even the personal grief that he suffered. >> so laura, can you help us put today's visit to northern ireland in that broader context and describe some of the issues
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king charles could face, and many of the leaders on all sides of this talked about it today, her ability to bring people together as a kind much peacemaker? >> well, the context, both, the personal context in terms of king charles' family history, and then there's the broader political context in terms of the post brexit situation in ireland. you don't have a functioning government at the moment. they are still attempting to negotiate what the border between ireland and northern ireland is going to look like after brexit, and it creates a heightened level of tension we have not seen since the good friday agreement in '97, which created an open border between northern ireland and ireland, which is still a member of the
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european union, and so he will need to contend with the heightened tensions. >> we saw a few anti-monarchy protesters and there have been a few arrests in northern ireland, and overall as you are observing and as you know it, how was the crowd and charles specifically viewed in northern ireland today? >> i think things have changed enormously from the past, and you discussed that the lord battson was killed, and now they have been touched by the troubles and they know what everybody else is going through,
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and now they can -- you know, charles can come to northern ireland and it will be a different experience and that past is gone, and after he shook the queen's hand, he said that was a nice experience. there are lots of people still republicans, you know, and they are not going to stop being republicans, but that animosity has given way to personal war. so the kind of the strength is less than it was. >> i want to play part of what charles told the northern ireland assembly this morning. >> my mother felt deeply, i know the significance of the royals she herself claimed in bringing together those history had separated, and extending a hand to make possible the healing of
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long held hurts. >> the healing of long held hurts. what message do you think he wanted to deliver today and would he be successful at it? >> i think we will know in the coming days how successful he was, and he gave it his best shot and the speech came over sincere, and himself a former ira terrorists, and he referenced, as you were saying, chris, his mother made that astonishing trip in 2011, and followed one year later in 2012 by herself shaking the hand of martin mcguiness, the former terrorists, and referencing the fact that the royal family had lost not one but a few members of their family when the ira
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blew up the lord's boat, and you will often heard speeches made in ireland that don't go back 20 or 30 years but 200 or 300 years, so history is very important to this area of the united kingdom. we are looking at opinion polls of the whole country which do seem to be suggesting that king charles is so fargoing down, and of course we are in a honeymoon period, but the signs are good so far. >> charles made 39 visits in that region, and today was his 40th trip to northern ireland. obviously you do build relationships. do you think that they have set him up for this moment? is this simply a honeymoon period based out of respect for
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his mother and things will change? >> i think that's a question not just for politics in northern ireland, but across britain. uk is very much enjoying the honeymoon period right now, and there was immense respect for his mother and his mother was more popular than the monarchy as an institution, and when the dust settles whether the particular younger generations in britain and northern ireland, i think that's a different question and we can't read that much into the positive reception he received in northern ireland yesterday and today, or what he's receiving across the country and the commonwealth. we need to see and what comes in the months and years ahead. >> obviously four days, we
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already see people lining up, and they are being told, don't camp out, and they are trying to set up facilities, and they are talking about people having to wait in line for many, many hours, and some are suggesting 20 hours or more. when you have so much time to plan because you know at some point the queen is going to die, can you ever really prepare, or from what you are hearing, does the city feel ready for this influx? >> oh, i think london is ready. london is a city that has experience of these kinds of things again and again. if you were going to have this happen anywhere, you could say in a sense, london would be the place. we are just seeing there the king arriving. >> i think he's getting ready to leave belfast -- >> leaving ireland, and it sums up how challenging these days are going to be for him, and
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he's there and now heading back here to buckingham palace, and they are having a conversation, and of course, again, crucially, everybody he meets, and they said this about the queen, and king charles has to replicate that, everybody that meets the king or the queen when she was alive felt as if they had time for them. that's a gift you have to pull off. >> one of the things i noticed this morning when i was watching british television, and they had a line of people that met the queen over the years, and it's -- >> millions of people, yes. >> they were telling amazing stories and you realize that connection, even if it's only 45 seconds, how much it means for the monarchy. >> yeah, it means a lot to those they are meeting and the monarch as well.
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>> the queen was very good at having a conversation, and making somebody feel wanted and moving on. equally, though, you have to be able to do that, because part of the queen's legacy, as you say that we are hearing about, are from all of the people that she met. and to go back to the point, he is heading back here to buckingham palace to be here to meet the queen's coffin when she comes, and what a moment that will be the last time the queen arrives at buckingham palace, and leaves buckingham palace, her final moment here at her royal seat. >> it will be extraordinary. we are following it all. thanks to all of you. we have more royal coverage ahead as we wait for the return of the queen's coffin here to buckingham palace. that process begins with a ceremony that starts about 50 minutes from now in scotland, but first, more legal headaches from donald trump and his allies. new details we are learning
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inflation report came in worst than expected, and inflation slowed for the second straight month but remains high, and it's decreasing slower than expected, so month over month inflation rose .01%. the dow, nasdaq and s&p 500 all dropping in reaction to the report. look at the dow, down 850. this comes ahead of the fed's meeting next week where they are expected to deliver a third interest rate increase. what are your top ten takeaways about this number and what does it signal overall about the state of our economy? >> it's a disappointing number, chris, and certainly consumers and the federal reserve were looking for the slowdown, and
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so .1% up on the month is the wrong direction, and it went from 8.5, which is better, and it means the fed will probably have to crackdown more with the interest rate hikes. food is up 11.4% on the year, and that's the biggest increase since may of 1979, and lots of other stuff is up as well. we're not seeing the easing in inflation as quickly as the biden administration would like to see and consumers would like to see. >> you mentioned the feds, so what should we expect next week, three quarters of a point? >> yeah, i think three quarters of a point is pretty much baked in at this point, and even some on wall street are talking about a 1% increase, and i don't think that's likely either. i think they stick with three quarters of a point and do it a couple more times, because they
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need to see this number coming down faster and they will do anything to do it even if it means slowing down the economy to the point of a recession, and so i think a couple more to come, chris. >> folks see the affects of inflation there in chicago. what can you tell us? >> reporter: folks are hurting, chris, and they are taking unusual methods to pay for the increasing grocery bills. there was good news in the sense that the case of the increase in food prices is slowing at the slowest pace we have seen since december, and those food prices compared to last year are much higher than they have been. eggs, for example, up 40% since last year, and deli meat up about 18%. butter and margarine up 29%. what that means is bigger grocery bills for family, and so many people saying they are not
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resorting to the buy now and pay later program, essentially letting them finance their grocery bills, and instead of paying their bill at once they get to split their payments into four payments for food. listen to what some families are saying. >> it's very appealing, and when you are having a tough time in life, maybe it would be okay for that moment, but i would say you have to be strict and you have to make sure you are not living outside of your means. >> i would never use up to the amount i have been approved for, because i have to pay it back, and i still have a budget, it's just allowing me to have more money this hand than having to put out more money at one time. >> both of those mothers telling me they had to rely on those programs to give them some relief. it helped give some pad as they are seeing their grocery bills,
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a bill you have to pay and you need to be able to eat, and this is not the recommended solution here. those programs, they have to pay it back. there are no interest rates, and there may not be a late payment fee if you have a late payment here or there, but there are fees that add up. and one economists said this is damaging credit for a entire generation, and you see millennials and gen zers relying on these programs. >> it's scary, ben, and it was only a couple weeks ago with gas prices dropping sharply people were starting to feel better about the economy. is this the kind of stark reminder that we still have a long road ahead? >> that's what it is, and we saw the gas prices baked into the
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inflation number, and it was not enough to overcome some of the other increases like food, and the pace of the increase is slowing but it's still rising and rising faster than we wanted it to, and we are at four decade highs in inflation, stuff we have not seen since the '80s, and we have a tight labor market driving up wages in some areas, and we have a way to go to get to a comfortable place, and we are at 8.3, and it takes a while to get there and there could be pain along the way and the fed will do whatever it takes to ease the burden on prices, even if it means a recession, which it might. >> thank you guys. really appreciate it. up next, phone seized and more than 300 subpoenas issued to donald trump allies. what we are learning about the latest doj's investigation in efforts to overturn the 2020
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just moments ago we saw queen elizabeth's coffin carried out of the cathedral a little ahead of schedule. it had been there the last 24 hours allowing people to pay their respects. now it's on its way to be flown to london, and princess anne will accompany the coffin. there you see the lineup, including the coffin. the globe master c-17 flight she
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will go on is the same plane used for aid missions in ukraine, and it carried a majority of the 15,000 people evacuated from kabul last summer, something the royal air force wanted to point out as we see the coffin bearing the body of queen elizabeth ii as it makes its way to the airfield. and we will continue to follow that for you. turning back to the united states, we are learning intriguing new details about the investigation into donald trump and his allies' efforts to overturn the 2020 election. first reported by "the new york times" and confirmed by nbc news, the justice department issued about 40 subpoenas in the last week according to sources familiar with the matter, and the sources also say the doj seized two phones, and the
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subpoenas focus with trump's fundraising arm, and a couple names have trickled in, and trump social media director, dan scavino, those are confirmed. and the phones seized were also confirmed by "the times." former u.s. attorney, barbara mcquade, and matt miller, good to see all of you. what do we know about these 40 subpoenas? >> this flury of investigative action by the justice department, and people familiar with the matter told nbc news the doj issued around 40
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subpoenas in the last week and seized two cell phones, and a lawyer for former nypd commissioner who advised trump on efforts to overturn the election, and that lawyer told me he also represents trump in the investigation and he said the subpoenas sought information on, quote, everything and anything regarding everything related to the trump campaign. investigators are looking into ties between trump associates and violence on january 6th, and using the levels of government to overturn the election on january 6th, and they are looking into fundraising by trump association around bogus allegations of election fraud,
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and this came at the edge of the 60-day election issue. >> whether they do or not, 40 subpoenas in a week, as, you know, you look at the overall scope of this investigation, what does it tell you, and does it give us any indications about the direction it's going in? >> it appears the volume is escalating, and it could be a reflection of the work flow, and the grand jury is back in action, and the subpoenas asked for records are not executive branch members but legislative branch members, and so any activity would have to be sort of covert during the 60 days leading up to the election if any of the members of congress
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are under investigation. so issuing the 40 subpoenas now means the justice department is going to be underground, putting these people in front of the grand jury and obtaining and reviewing records, and essentially they filled their plate and now it's time to go somewhere quiet and eat what is on your plate. >> matt, as we said, one of the phones seized belonged to boris ebstein who was subpoenaed by the january 6th committee earlier in the year, and they also subpoenaed rudy giuliani and sidney powell. what do you make to these revelations? >> i think it is clear that this investigation, which was quite, and it seemed the justice department, at least from all the public signs we got was only focused on the violence at the capitol and now it's clear that they moved beyond that narrow
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scope and are looking at all those close to trump, and i think what you are will see is they are slowly working their way up the ladder, and i think what this reminds us of is trump and those closest to him are the subject of really -- in some cases overlapping federal inquiries, and one around january 6th, and one to potentially illegally raise money, and the inquiry into whether he retained illegally classified documents, and we are at a stage where those may start to interact with each other, and they may feel pressured by the government to come forward and cooperate and tell what they know about the former
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president's vulnerability in any of these three areas. >> barbara, if i can ask you about something we saw last night, when jeffrey berman spoke to rachel maddow and said this. >> how was your work as u.s. attorney a threat to trump's re-election? >> well, the southern district of new york was working on a couple politically sensitive cases. one of those cases is the steve bannon we build the wall case, and we were very close to indicting that case around the time i got fired, and barr knew about the case. >> i don't know if you had a chance to watch the whole interview, but i wonder what you make of those comments? >> i have seen the interview and read the book. jeffrey berman reveals a number of episodes that are very troubling and this one is sort
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of circumstantial, and they were about to charge the case and he got fired, and he makes allegations in the book that are very direct, for example, they wanted the southern district of new york to indict the former obama white house counsel, and they did indict michael cohen, the lawyer for trump, and then they said you owe us this one, and how about we even things out? it's incredibly inappropriate in the justice department. they also pressured the southern district of new york to file charges against john kerry. jeffrey berman says, it's incredibly inappropriate and i am not sure if congress wants to conduct an investigation to learn more about this. >> thank you all very much. meantime, there has been a
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stunning change in momentum in ukraine, as forces extend their gains from an offensive attack. president zelenskyy claims his country has taken back 300 square miles of territory in the last month. we have more now from kyiv. ukraine is making significant advancements on the battlefield. the president of ukraine is saying over the last two weeks since they started the counter offensive, troops have been able to reclaim back an area twice the size of london. they lunched the offense in the southern part of the country, and we are seeing gains there, but the president says the most significant gains is up in the northeastern part of the country in the kharkiv region, and that
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is where they have been able to liberate dozens and dozens of settlements in that region, and they are deploying to strengthen their base in the east, and they are continuing to push through the front line. meanwhile all eyes are on europe's largest nuclear plant, and in a move they could make that more safer, and both ukraine and russia are both open to the idea of a protection zone around that facility to try and protect it from further damage. >> nbc's megan fitzgerald, thank you for that. 55 days until the midterms and president biden is spotlighting his administration's achievements with a big focus on the inflation reduction act, and what does that all mean for the midterms in november? i will talk with president
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the white house deputy chief of staff. apparently the south lawn is the place to be for democrats today as i understand it. what are we expecting? >> we have seen the white house strategy as you talk about the midterms 55 days away, and that false into different categories, you have the protecting rights itself bucket, and the supreme court's decision overturning roe v. wade, and this is a administration keenly aware that pocketbook issues will be seen at the polls, and obviously congress is back in session today. you are also seeing the inflation numbers underscoring the challenge for this administration. what the president will do today, as he says in a written statement this morning reacting to those numbers, says it is taking time and resolve to bring
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inflation down, and that's why the passed the legislation. he is going to sharpen the contrast with republicans making the point that every single republican despite their rhetoric trying to bring attention to inflation, voted against the provisions of this bill, popular ones, including the climate change and prescription drugs. and he will make the point that republicans are just trying to use the issue without trying to do anything about it, and celebrate with democrats that hard-fought victory. >> you know, jim, a message of it's going to take time and resolve is true, and it's a tough sell when people are going to the grocery store and they are seeing bacon, eggs and milk still high, and he's celebrating a big legislative win, no doubt
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about that, but will it matter in november if inflation remains stubborn, and that's what the numbers suggest? >> yeah, i think it will matter. in our research, we just issued a report that said the biggest factor is the gas prices, and gas prices are going down and continuing to go down and biden's numbers at the same time are going up, and so today is very important to sell this thing, and to have democrats talk about the fact that they just made peoples' lives better in health care and prescription drugs and energy. and the contrast could not be any better for the democrats. today they are introducing a bill for a complete abortion ban, and you have republicans pouring gas on the fire of the abortion flight that gave democrats a real enthusiastic
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lead. it's a huge turn around from what we saw right before the dobbs decision. >> let me use democratic senate candidate, tim ryan, ohio, as our case in point, jim. he's one point ahead of j.d. vance, and he was on "morning joe" today, and he pounded vance on his economic policies. is that the way to go, or have these prices -- here's the ad, and it's pretty funny, and he's throwing the football at tvs and talking about the economy, but do republicans have an answer for that? is it going to be a more nuanced and difficult conversation that democrats had hoped? >> this is tough terrain for democrats, right? the party loses an average of
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we are sewing a lot more people outside of buckingham palace. before they were looking to lay floral tributes. now they are awaiting the arrival of the coffin. they will be waiting for hours now. this is what you are seeing live from scotland. we're following the vehicle carrying the coffin on its journey to buckingham palace. there you see the plane that is waiting to carry the queen, the aircraft that has been used for aid missions in ukraine, according to the head of the royal air force. one the coffin gets here, it will be received by king charles and members of the royal family. millions of people are expected to pay their respects. mourners have been told to prepare for five-mile-long lines. a wait up to 35 hours if they
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want a chance to say a final farewell to the queen as she lies in state here for four days. joining me from here in london, nbc foreign correspondent molly hunter. also with me, royal contributor susanna lipscomb. i noticed more security. the streets are busy. it's busy here. what are you seeing where you are? >> that's right. what i'm noticing here this morning different than yesterday is not only really stepped up security around the city, but actually while it's so crowded, while people like us are trying to move around, there's less normal traffic. it felt like yesterday everyone was hitting the road like normal and today there's less cars on the road. this is the biggest security operation they have undertaken. i'm across from westminster. there are security guys on this boardwalk below me.
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i'm above the water. there are people lining up -- we are 24 hours before any members of the public are able to go in where her body, her coffin will be lying in state on a raised platform starting tomorrow. people are already lining up. a five-mile-long wait possibly. more than a million people we expect, 20 to 30 hours. it's lovely london weather. it's going to pour tomorrow. english people are hearty, but this is real commitment. i want to say, her coffin -- explain for the audience what happens in the next 24 hours. her coffin arrives at buckingham palace. the royal family will receive that coffin. we don't know exactly who will be standing next to king charles. she will spend one final night in buckingham palace. tomorrow, king charles will lead a procession from where you are, buckingham palace, to westminster. that's when her coffin will move
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in and be put on a raised platform. members of the public will have their chance to say their final good-bye. tomorrow starting at 5:00, all the way until the morning of the funeral on monday. >> what i have heard from a lot of people that i have talked to they knew this was coming, but when it came, it was harder than they thought. i was honestly quite surprised by the number of people i saw on british television this morning who could not keep their composure, who continued five days in to be crying over the death of their monarch. now you see these people lining up. does any of this surprise you? what are you watching for in the days to come? >> it doesn't really surprise me, because i think that the queen has been dear to so many people's hearts. you see people saying, i'm not a monarchist, but i loved the queen. they burst into tears.
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the line to go into st. charles cathedral was at least five hours long, a mile long. i friend sent me a video. it was hugely long. in london, it's going to be longer still. it feels like the impact is hitting. i suspect that we will see even more of that over the coming days. >> i think part of it may be -- i'm interested in your take. we have talked about the firsts, for example. the first time the council was televised. it's also a series of lasts. this will be the last time that queen elizabeth ii leaves her beloved scotland. later today will be the last time she goes into buckingham palace where she spent much of her life. that will hit people.
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>> i think that's right. absolutely. also something those two things working together. the fact is, we have seen the king expressing his grief. somebody said to him, this must be so hard for you to carry on. he said, well, that's duty, isn't it? we have seen the king standing vigil over his mother's coffin. we feel his grief, his family's grief. i think that we have that sense of participating in the grief with him. that's the combination of seeing the first of this exposure to know what they feel, the family, and as you say, very much -- even as you said it to me, my heart leapt. this idea that here she leaves scotland, which she loved so much, and now she gets to london. >> we are waiting for her to
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leave scotland and arrive here. thank you both. we appreciate it. that's going to do it for me from london. will be back at 1:00 eastern time. andrea mitchell picks up our coverage next. “club” i want to join! let's hear from simone. chuck, that's a club i want to join! i literally just said that. i like her better than you the new subway series. what's your pick? ♪ ♪
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♪♪ good day, everyone. this is "andrea mitchell reports" in washington as queen elizabeth's family, millions of people around the world are watching, as she leaves her beloved scotland today and returns to london. king charles embraces his new role, visiting northern ireland this morning as part of his tour on the fifth day of mourning. the queen's coffin will arrive at the airport for her flight to london and the drive then to buckingham palace where the family will be waiting to receive the
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