them and that's why you're seeing such intense democratic focus on the abortion issue because they see it as a way to pivot to something more advantageous to them. unless they start improving there's another round of headlines that, you know, really sort of advances the republican line on a lot of this stuff and particularly, you know, the optics yesterday of, you know, throwing this big celebratory -- at the same time the stock market is tanking due to new inflation numbers it did not help the democratic rhetorical position. >> that's a tough split screen with why. graham threw them a life raft yesterday. thanks to all of you for getting up way too early with us on this wednesday morning. "morning joe" starts right now. good morning. live pictures of washington, d.c. it is 6:00 a.m. on the east coast.

welcome to "morning joe." it's wednesday, september 14th. a lot to cover this morning with joe, willie and me. u.s. stocks tumble as consumer prices continue to rise as president biden celebrated the inflation reduction act. yesterday at the white house. we'll look at the next possible steps to help bring down costs for americans. plus, russian forces in retreat as ukraine keeps up the pressure. is this a turning point in the war? president biden says it's hard to tell. queen elizabeth returns to london. her coffin arriving at buckingham palace yesterday and will be carried by horse-drawn carriage to parliament later this morning where she will lie in state before monday's funeral at westminster abbey. we're following the latest on the trump records case. new information unsealed by a federal judge concerned that some government records may still be unaccounted for, and a

warning from the doj about delaying its investigation. plus, lindsey graham takes an already complicated issue for republicans and makes it worse, proposing an abortion bill and dividing his party with the midterms weeks away. >> we have a lot to talk about, willie geist. i have to say, you guys played the right team last night as you get ready for the playoffs and judge played against the right team as well with the red sox. another two home runs. the guy getting closer to ruth's 60 and marist 61 number, the only two numbers that count. judge going opposite field in the sixth inning at fenway. yankees won 7-6. then over the green monster a couple innings later out on the street outside the stadium. he is now, as you said, with the two home runs, at 57 home runs. the record is roger marist, the

american league record is 61. judge has 20 games to hit four home runs to tie, five to set the record. to most of us that is the real record. the single season records set by admitted steroid users. that's just a statement of fact. now the yankees are up six games on the blue jays who beat the rays. the rays slip into third place. yankeesing right the ship when they need to with the focus on judge. lamere and i were texting this morning, groovg it down to the middle when not many are hitting right now. >> it's really horrible. jonathan lemire, my gosh, i don't want to say anything. >> look at him. >> i don't want to say anything about any -- >> we now know what happened. >> most of the ball players are actually younger than some of my kids, so i don't want to point anything out but i will say,

though, why we would continue to put a relief pitcher in that consistently blows leads? i mean, seriously. i understand, you know, we're last place, that's what we are. that's what red sox are. we're in last place. great job, front office. they continue to put the same guy in who blue a game against the orioles last week, blew a game last night. we're in last place. fine. that's what the front office decided they wanted us to be in because those are the moves they made at trade deadline. let's make this great team finish in last place. that's one thing. but you keep putting in the same leaf pitcher who keeps blowing games for you and do it against the yankees at fenway. that's not excusable >> yeah. calling for the appointment of a special master to get to the bottom of the red sox bull pen woes. it's terrible. you see him last night, off the

mound, hey, having to back up a play at home plate again because he keeps giving rocket to the outside and the yankees are running around the bases. the only thing he has apparently is -- look, yankees are falling down and they can still score because of how bad that ball is hit so far. it's grim. the red sox are stumbling to the finish line and we have given our arch rival a gift here. yankees were teetering a few weeks agond they have stabilized and going to win the division and setting up for the postseason as all eyes are on aaron judge. we begin with the news on the new findings from the state department showing russia has secretly funneled more than $300 million to foreign political parties since 2014 in an effort to influence elections in more than two dozen countries. a state department summary of a recent u.s. intelligence review shows the money was often

covertly sent to politicians and parties through think tanks, fake contracts, state-owned enterprises and shell companies, and according to the "new york times," russia has probably given even more that has gone undetected, the document said. the "times" reports the state department document was sent as a cable to american embassies around the world and amounts, quote, to an initial effort by the biden administration to use intelligence material to expose the scope of russian interference in global political processes and other elections and rally other nations to help combat it. you will recall that back in 2020 intelligence agencies determined that russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election in favor of donald trump. a nearly 1,000 page report from the republican-led senate intelligence committee on the russia investigation detailed

how russia launched an aggressive effort to interfere in the election on donald trump's behalf. it detailed the close relationship between former trump campaign manager paul manafort and constantine kilimnik. quote, taken as a whole, manafort's high-level access and willingness to share information with individuals closely affiliated with the russian intelligence services, particularly kilimnik, represented a grave counter-intelligence threat the report says. manafort's lawyer at the time refuted the report's findings. the panel gop chairman at the time was senator marco rubio of florida. >> let's bring in former nato supreme allied commander, msnbc's chief international analyst. so, you know, we always talk

about the election hoax the qanon hoax, the covid hoax and all the lies that trump has spread around the media ecosystem, for me the one that really stings is russian hoax when people start talking about a russian hoax because of the lies contained in the steele dossier. they ignore marco rubio's senate intel committee saying that the trump 2016 contact, grave, grave counterintelligence threat, are that all the intel agencies were saying that russia was getting involved to help donald trump win the 2016 election campaign. this morning, more evidence. $300 million spent worldwide by vladimir putin to try to influence campaigns, mainly the united states, but also in some other western democracies.

$300 million hoax. that's some hoax, admiral. talk about the consequences of it and the risks. >> you bet. let's all be not be naive here. we're getting the tip of the iceberg, no doubt. this is where a lot of russian oil and gas revenue goes, is to shape the international system, and you're going to hear some people kind of quoting that great movie of global geopolitics "casablanca" saying come on, this is business as usual around the world. i can't believe there's gambling in this house. no. this is wrong. it is huge. we're just seeing the beginning of this, i think. we ought to remember here that this not only goes right at the heart of who we are as a nation, but also, as you mentioned, our allies, partners and friends. i would bet you everything i own that france is high on the list here attempting to manipulate,

along with other european countries. bottom line here, u.s. intelligence is smart, releasing this information. there's always that tendency, joe, to kind of hold it back. this is a perfect example of where by proactively launching this intelligence, we hopefully inoculate a little bit here in our own country and alert our friends, allies and partners around the world and encourage them to share what they are seeing. we can build that intelligence mosaic and understand this and reverse engineer it and kill it. >> this comes as russia is struggling in the war in ukraine. ukrainian forces advancing in the northeast and taking down signs of what they say is russian propaganda. in a individual yesterday, ukrainian soldiers seen ripping up russian flags and celebrating in a city close to the russian

border. it showed soldiers taking down a billboard that read, quote, we are one with russia. the country's deputy defense minister said yesterday fighting is still raging in kharkiv and ukrainian troops are making good progress. admiral, we've heard so much about this counteroffensive stepped up in the last week or so, the lightning speed of it, the effectiveness of it, how much does it change the dynamic of the war right now? >> let's hope it changes it quite a bit, willie. i think there is a feeling that this could be a pivot in the war, principally because what you're seeing is our ukrainian ally, partners, friends, they are tactically succeeding in combined arms operations, putting together air, ground, drones, put the whole package together, secondly they're showing they can act up on two axes, the north and east and south and they are strategically impacting the global view of

them. meeting coming up with xi and putin is going to be an uncomfortable conversation between two autocrats. bottom line, this is real. we have to recognize that there is still big russian troop concentrations in the south, in between russia and crimea. it's going to be a long slog to get all of the russians out, but yes, this is an important moment and a good week or two and i bet it will continue for the ukrainians. >> and another important headline this morning involving the security of the world, a magistrate judge has unsealed previously redacted information relating to the fbi's search of former president donald trump's mar-a-lago home. the bulk of the material has to do with what has already been revealed in the ongoing battle over appointing a third party or a special master to review the information.

the newly released sections of the affidavit show investigators were searching for a wide array of classified documents at mar-a-lago includes several types of top secret documents. it also shows when trump's lawyers handed over 38 documents marked top secret, secret or confidential in june, they told investigators those documents had all been kept in a storage room at the resort. some of the markings showed the documents contained fisa information or information that came from a confidential human source. justice department officials said at the time of their june 3rd visit about 50 boxes remained in the room. according to doj court filings, investigators said trump's lawyers would not let them look inside the boxes during the visit. >> let's bring in news investigations correspondent tom winter. obviously, disturbing. more information we learn, the more disturbing it is.

the top secret information, the classified information, that was contained in a beach club, a country club in florida, with no secure measures at all. what did we learn yesterday? >> not only that, but i think we're starting to get a clear sense of the timeline here, joe, as far as what was represented to the justice department and when trump's representatives and on top of that additional detail about the timing of the request for surveillance video from the trump organization and, obviously, from mar-a-lago. i think that's an interesting development. a search warrant doesn't have to contain all the steps that fbi took and the justice department took in the course of putting together their investigation. they just have to prove to the judge that there's probable cause or reason enough to execute that search warrant and get those materials because there's been a violation of law. i think one of the interesting things, get the search warrant in front of me, there's a period of time between when they go to

mar-a-lago of june of this year and in late june of this year where the fbi says the justice department has advised me that there are security cameras in the vicinity of this storage room in the basement of mar-a-lago which we're looking at and that they serve a subpoena on the trump organization for copies of that and are provided a hard drive on july 6th. the timing is about a week or two between when they ask for these documents through a grand jury subpoena and then as you see on the screen when the trump organization gave the fbi a hard drive. the rest of what follows that is completely redacted. really only about nine paragraphs yesterday that we were able to see redacted in full and part. it's an interesting timeline. the key question for me looking at this trying to figure out what happened and who was talking to who and who saw what, who talked to the justice department and told them that there was a camera or cameras there. did they notice it when they went to mar-a-lago?

did somebody tip them off that the cameras were there? what gave them reason to ask for those hard drives or those items and video from the trump property i think is really interesting here. that's just one of the things that i'm kind of keying in on yesterday's filing >> the filing lays out again how long it took to get this stuff. in january, 15 box of highly classified material, that's not all, in june 50 boxes, they say 50 boxes are remaining. does this get at it all or the justice department might be pursuing obstruction in some way, to say, the national archives asked for more than a year and even when the fbi went in to get what they needed they couldn't get it all because the trump team wouldn't hand it over? >> i think that was one of the key revelations from yesterday's filings, the fact that they laid out all the steps they took so we have additional detail on that. i think the other thing they put in, note worthy, they were provided a certification letter as they call it from an unnamed

individual, too, said based on the information provided to me, what this individual is saying in this letter, em authorized to certify, one, we've searched everything and this is all that we have and that we searched it after a subpoena, we've made no additional documentation and there was also at one point a certification or a statement that was made that look, the only place that these documents could be is in the storage room. as we know from the image we're looking at on screen, according to the fbi, that was very much not the case that these top secret documents we're looking at were found in trump's office. when you start to see those statements put in to this search warrant it's clear that to me they're starting to look at this as a potential who is obstructing us, who are making what assertions to us and there's a reason we need to go in and we don't think we're getting the full story here. >> jonathan lemire, a lot of questions, there's still very much that we don't know, but

based on the fact pattern out there in the press and all sides have admitted to, one charge, potential charge does seem more obvious than others even right now and that is flat out obstruction of justice. lying, claiming that you have given back all the top secret documents and all the documents that trump had stolen from the white house, the government building, and taken down to mar-a-lago they lied about it and lied to the fbi about it. again, let's just keep it to the standard of, you know, no man is above the law. anybody else would have been in jail for doing that. it's that simple. >> yeah. >> legal expert have zeroed in on the obstruction possibility, joe. you're right about that, that the lawyers said everything was returned. it wasn't. the lawyer said everything was in a secure spot in mar-a-lago. it wasn't. stuff was found in trump's desk in the 45 office. so there's all sorts of suggestions they were not

truthful with investigators. admiral, i want to get you on the other possible charge here and that's the mishandling of this information. you spoke pretty powerfully when we had you on a couple weeks ago talking about your own experiences with classified information, and we want to know, you know, if -- what sort of precedent are you concerned about here, where there is, you know, we -- as much as no man is above the law, we know that, there is a sense even from some democrats who worry what it would look like if a post-president was charged for a crime for something like this. what would be your concern if that doesn't happen? >> i'm going to take the flip side of that concern and say, as supreme allied commander of nato every day at 10:00 i was handed the president's daily intelligence brief and i would go through it physically there and then hand it right back to the officer who had brought it to me. if you let anyone skate through those procedures, you weaken all

of us because the incentives to protect those documents so closely continued because of confidential, and it does not matter who you are or where you are in the chain of command. last thought, tom's excellent reporting mentions sources. does that make my hair on the back of my neck, the only place i have hair now, stand up. think about how that is received in paris, in berlin in tokyo. do you think those nations will want to share information with us anymore? do you think they're going to want to tell us what is happening in their domestic political domain with the russian intrusion? probably not. if they think that intelligence is going to be scattered into the winds. big mistake for the united

states. >> the way we protect documents and secrets and security, protects our reputation in a real way, not just respect, people trusting the united states. former nato supreme allied commander, thank you very much. nbc's tom winter, thank you as well for your reporting. the house select committee investigating the january 6th attack on the capitol met behind closed doors for four hours yesterday morning. chairman bennie thompson later spoke to reporters about what's ahead for his committee. take a look. >> are you circling in on a date for the next hearing? is september 28th an option you're throwing around? >> that's the goal at this point. >> that date, september 2th? >> that's correct. >> talk about the doj's more active round of subpoenas for example? >> well, we will take that up on friday. we have a meeting on friday. i plan to bring it up.

i think now that the department of justice is being proactive with subpoenas. i think it's time for the committee to determine whether or not the information we've gather will be beneficial to that investigation. >> let's bring in congressional investigations reporter for the "washington post" jackie alemany, an msnbc contributor. two weeks from today is the tentative date for the public hearing of the january 6th select committee. we talked to adam kin zinger about what they might be looking at and what they want to present to the public. what are they digging through and what do you expect to hear in a couple weeks? >> investigators in the committee spent all of august picking up loose ends and chasing new investigative tracks that appeared throughout the course of the investigation over the past year. we know that they were looking

at conversations that were taking place amongst cabinet secretaries about invoking the 25th amendment. there were questions about former president trump's mental fitness and whether or not he could finish out his presidency until inauguration. obviously that never materialized but investigators were curious about what those conversations were and just how cabinet secretaries, mike pompeo, betsy devos, were taking this pretty dramatic step. the committee is still focused on trying to sort out the issue of the secret service. there has been a feeling that secret service has obfuscated and made cooperating with the committee very difficult since the beginning. they're still getting new information from secret service and even along the way, it has been a challenge for investigators to get that information from them.

tony ornato, the former chief of trump's operations, but also a secret service detail lead, very unusual position, i might note, has still yet to come forward to provide an additional interview with investigators despite saying that he would be willing to do so now he has retired from the secret service agency and has a private lawyer, so we'll see if that actually materializes. there's people like ginni thomas, who had a medical condition that prevented her from appearing in front of the committee, despite a request. we'll have to see if the committee will escalate their efforts with a subpoena to get her to come in. new lines of inquiry or new nuggets of news that the committee picked up along the way in august and are now shaping and debating how they're going to present this information to the american public again. >> okay. jacki allah mainly, looks like

we'll be seeing you more as this picks up again. still ahead on "morning joe," senator lindsey graham gets pushback from both sides of the aisle after introducing a new 15-week abortion ban bill. we'll take a look at what some of this republican colleagues are saying. plus the justice department releases new details about the january 6th attack on former d.c. police officer michael fanone, a rioter involved could face one of the longest sentences yet. also ahead, stock futures are looking up after wall street took a major tumble. steve rattner joins us with his analysis of yesterday's disappointing inflation report and what it means for the u.s. economy. and here is a live look outside buckingham palace right now. we'll go live to london as queen elizabeth's coffin is taken from the palace to westminster hall later this morning.

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inflation reduction act to lower the cost of health care, prescription drugs and energy and my economic plan is showing as we bring price downs we are creating good paying jobs and bringing manufacturing back to america. joining us now former treasury official, economic official steve rattner. a big day to have the inflation reduction act, with the number that came out yesterday. housing, food, all kinds of sectors seeing inflation. gas prices are down, which was some good news over the last couple months but a tough number yesterday. >> a tough number yesterday because they knew the number was coming and yet they scheduled the event because the last couple months the inflation numbers have seemed to be going more in the right direction in terms of starting to decelerate a bit, particularly in what we call core inflation, everything except food and energy. those are volatile and economists look at just core to see whether inflation is really rising. what you can see here, particularly in this report is

this matches the headline inflation, overall inflation number, 8.3 percent number, against ha we call core, which i just described as everything else, and you can see that this month in particular in that blue oval in the upper right you can see that headline inflation did come down a tick, but core inflation went up and that's what freaked out the market to use a technical term. >> well, obviously, this now puts the ball in the fed's court. they have to raise rates. the question is by how much i guess. >> the question is by how much. you can -- the market reacted as you saw, very, very quickly to this news, even before it opened, and in addition to a movement of stock prices there was a movement on interest rate expectations. that's what the chart on the left shows. before yesterday the market was expecting probably a three quarters of a percentage point increase in the federal funds rate, but maybe as little as 50. that was the probability. you see the jump at 8:30 and the

market is assuming absolutely three quarters minimum and a 25% of a full percentage point something we have not done since the inflation days of the 1970s. on the right see how quickly the stock market reacted. high interest rates are the enemy of the stock market. as soon as the market saw this coming it rolled over >> how long with this rate hikes, steve, will it take to see inflation come down? using this blunt instrument, this tool of raising rates to bring it down, is that a short-term goal or something that takes time? >> that's exactly the right question, willie and what yesterday's numbers did was increased the probability of there being what we're calling a hard landing that there's going to have to be a recession here to get inflation down anywhere near the fed's 2% target. we're going to have to see what comes of it. it's certainly not going to happen in the near term. there's only one more report before the midterm elections and we're looking at a much longer process than that and the question is how consumers react

to these numbers economically and politically. >> your last chart looks at gas prices as it relates to consumer inflation expectations. what does that look like? >> here's -- if i were in the biden administration here's my hope that consumers pay very close attention to gas prices in terms of how they feel about inflation expectations and so you can see on the left, gas prices, obviously, going up during the -- after the ukrainian invasion in particular and then drifting down as we've been talking about fairly substantial decline actually. you can see on the right the consumer expectations for interest rates for inflation have moved very much in parallel, that they went up with gas prices and they've been coming down with gas prices. what consumers expect inflation to be which presumably affects how they're going to vote at the polls when they get there in november. it will be interesting to see in the coming days whether the cpi numbers and some of the other bad inflation news is going to shift consumer expectations in a material way with the implications that that that could have in november.

>> steve, you and i have been warning about reckless spending for about a decade now and now we can lead to inflation, and if people didn't understand the consequences of that i guess they do now. yesterday as the news was coming out, i jotted down a couple notes where about the u.s. economy stands based on headlines over the last few days. record job growth, record job openings, 11 million, a generational dominance of the u.s. dollar over all other currencies across the world. we're stronger now than we've ever been. at least in well over a generation. child poverty now at record lows. it's plummeted over the past 30 years. gas prices continue to go down. the supply chain problems are improving. i mean, take all of that, put it aside, and you talk about

mourning in america, that's pretty extraordinary, but then inflation. it's really impacting americans' lives who are not trying to buy a second house, not trying to buy a third car. they need to rent an apartment near work and the costs just keep skyrocketing. >> joe, i think you summed it up very well. we have an economy that on many levels is performing exceptionally well. we went through a pandemic. we came out of it. we've had this extraordinarily quick recovery thanks in large part to government efforts, government stimulus and other things we had to do cutting interest rates to zero, but now, but we overshot the market effect. we kind of went too far in trying to mute the effects of the pandemic, too much stimulus as you suggested, too much low interest rates for too long by the fed, too much buying of bonds by the fed, and now we're

paying the price. the problem is, historically, consumers have voted in elections very much on the basis of inflation as much as they have on all the other very good aspects of this economy that you just recited and all as you know all the public opinion polls inflation has been at or near the top in terms of people's concerns. so, obviously, the biden administration is trying to present all the good news that you just went through very clearly, but the question is going to be, whether this inflation news overcomes that. >> yeah. and the thing is, mika, the wages, your wages can go up, the more job openings than ever before. but holding down a job and get a raise and you're still falling behind every month you're not sitting there singing happy days are here again. >> for sure. >> it's a real problem. i'm afraid, unfortunately steve is right. we were hoping for the soft landing. >> "morning joe" analyst steve

rattner we'll talk to you about this soon. >> can i steve a quick question on the side. >> i'm nervous. >> don't be nervous. >> i'm a little nervous. >> don't be nervous at all. we talked to gene robinson, a "washington post" london bureau correspondent about the queen. you spent a good bit of time there as well. i'm just curious, this week, we haven't had you on to talk about the queen, but just curious about your thoughts. i know you had fascinating insights about margaret thatcher and as you said without thatcher britain would be france. i think you're right. talk about the queen and her -- and how you saw her working in that constitutional monarchy. >> yeah. look, she -- the queen is nonpolitical and stays out of any kind of policy decision and her job is to be supportive of whatever the government happens to be, whoever happens to be the prime minister, and that's certainly what i saw in my time there in the early '80s. margaret thatcher was imposing very tough medicine on britain

to try to pull it together, ultimately succeeded as you said, i think it might have ended up as less than france if we she hadn't done what she did, but the queen was supportive as was her job and stood behind thatcher not in a public way, but implicitly by her support and really was everything you're hearing about her this past week. very much a rock of stability a rock of tradition, a link to the past, in a country that puts so much value on that. of course, you do have and still have anti-monarchists but on balance the british people love the queen. even back in the 1980s when i was there. >> "morning joe" economist steve rattner, thank you. we'll be having our live cameras always watching london. the queen's coffin arriving at buckingham palace yesterday and it will be carried by horse-drawn carriage to parliament today where she will lie in state before monday's funeral. we'll be following all of that.

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welcome back to "morning joe." it is 46 past the hour. beautiful shot of new york city as we take a look at the must-read opinion pages. former labor secretary writes in

a guardian piece entitled history will judge republicans who stay silent about the big lie, and he writes, quote, whether you're a politician supporting the big lie, a billionaire backer of it, or a broadcaster who's pushing it, it is not too late for you to get off the road you're on. yet, if you continue to promote or enable this lie, you are undermining our democracy. the crisis you have helped create is worsening the bear part of the responsibility for what comes next. when the history of this trying time is written, future generations of americans will judge your actions and your silences harshly. generations to come will sit in judgment about what you have wrought. if the democratic experiment called america continues to unravel because of what you did or failed to do, you will live in infamy. >> jonathan lemire, we look at

the challenges to western democracy to liberal democracy, to the very intellectual foundations that have made america, america, and it's under aattack not just by vladimir putin and victor origin who brags about being an ill liberal democrat, but many people on the right who will openly say they hate western democracy, they hate western freedoms, they hate liberal democracy. it's one thing to be someone out saying that so aggressively following donald trump and sort of more authoritarian slant, but the silence as robert said, the acquiescence among the united states senators especially who i know for the most part loathe donald trump and believe he's not only bad for the party, but

he's bad for our constitutional republic, their silence every day is damming. >> right. this is not just a threat that's foreign from putin and his ilk and we've opened the show talking about his efforts. but it's very much right here at home and my book, it traces how the big lie began, but it certainly doesn't end just on the 2020 election. it doesn't end just on january 6th. we're living with it right now and that's what this piece gets at. there are -- right now, the big lie, the idea that you can challenge election results and don't believe in the foundation of democracy which includes the peaceful transfer of power or conceding to your opponent the ripple ramifications are dangerous. we heard from republican candidates including those in arizona who already alleged voter fraud before ballots were counted in a race they won setting the table for making a

similar claim this fall in the general election, and how few republicans are willing to stand up against it. one who did liz cheney, her reward, a crushing defeat in her own primary. >> all right. "the washington post" editorial board has a new piece on the pennsylvania senate race entitled "john entitled "john fetterman needs to debate more than once for the senate." it's a pretty tough piece. they write, mr. fetterman has seemingly been reluctant to commit to firm debate dates, and that troubling stance has raised questions about whether he, still recovering from a serious stroke, is fit to serve in the senate. since returning to the campaign trail, he has been halting in his performances. he stammers, appears confused and keeps his remarks short. he has held no news conferences. he acknowledges his difficulties with auditory processing, which make it is hard for him to respond quickly to what he's

hearing. he receives speech therapy and we wish him a speedy recovery, but the lingering unanswered questions about his health, underscored by his hez tigs to debate, are unsettling. he's asking voters for a six-year contract without giving them enough information to make sound judgments about whether he's up for such demanding job. obviously, he's up against dr. oz, the consequences, some might say, would be quite dire if he were to lose this race. >> certainly, democrats believe that. a lot of independents believe that as well. but if you want to be a united states senator, if you want to serve a six-year term, you have to prove to the people of the state, whose vote you're trying to get, that you're going to be able to serve out that six-year term and going to be able to function on the floor of the senate. while dr. oz and his political team put out some crude clun i can attacks on fetterman, that

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folks, we're going to lower prescription drug costs, lower health insurance costs, lower energy costs for millions of families. i want to take the most aggressive action ever, ever, ever to confront the climate crisis and increase our energy security. ever in the whole world. and that's not hyperbole, that's a fact. >> president biden celebrated the inflation reduction act yesterday at the white house just hours after the release of new disappointing data on inflation. >> if timing is everything, very bad timing yesterday. the split screen there having that event while the markets are collapsing because of a hotter than expected inflation report, not a good split screen. >> it was no surprise that report was coming out yesterday. it was the reasonable chance that it wasn't going to be great. so a tough split screen with the president speaking about the inflation reduction act and that ticker on the side showing the

dow taking a plunge. the president came out later, though, reacting to the numbers and saying this is a long-term investment that's boing to bring inflation town. it's not going to happen overnight. that was a tough split screen for the president. >> definitely. plus the midterms less than two months away. and lindsey graham catches his party off guard by proposing a new abortion ban. >> i thought republicans wanted to kbo back to the state. now they are talking about a national abortion ban. >> is he helping or hurting republicans ahead of the midterm elections? as we reported yesterday, that former trump ally boris epstein was one of two people to have their phones seized in the justice department investigation into the efforts to overturn the election. now a second person has come forward to say, his phone was seized as well. while sitting in a hardy's drive-thru. >> that's a pretty good place to

be sitting. you got your hardee's, the fried chicken. >> no, you can't get all that at hardee's. now these are places if you're going to be caught by a reporter somewhere, this is where you want to be because you may have to answer some tough questions. which you'll have some really good some of the best fast food out there. >> we don't want to give away the story, but let's just say if it was a long line at the drive-thru, this gentleman could have used a nice handsome pillow to rest a little bit while he waited for his hot ham and cheese. >> probably had one on hand. jonathan is still with us. we have former u.s. senator now an nbc news and msnbc political analyst claire mccaskill joins us. and mike barnicle is with us.

and president of the national action network reverend al sharpton. thank you all for being with us this hour. let's start with a top republican lawmaker introducing new legislation yesterday to ban abortion nationwide. three months after the supreme court ruled that abortion laws should be decided at the state level, senator lindsey graham of south carolina unveils his new plan to ban the procedure across the country after 15 weeks. though graham's bill would allow exceptions for cases of rape or incest or when the life of the mother is at risk, it would roll back access and some democratic-led states, which have stronger laws protecting abortion access. this while keeping in place laws in other states where abortions are even more retrikted than graham is proposing. seeking about the proposal yesterday, graham said he introduced the bill to make it clear that this is where the republican party stands on the

issue. >> if we take back the house and the senate, i can assure you we'll have a vote on our bill. the democrats are in charge, i don't know if we'll ever have a vote. after they introduced the bill to define who they are, i thought it would be nice to introduce the bill to define who we are. if you vote for the democrat, we'll look like syria and north korea and iran. >> north korea and iran, huh. that's interesting. first of all, a couple things. this 15-week ban, if it were -- it sounds like mississippi. the mississippi law that chief justice roberts wanted the court to move to instead of a complete overthrow of roe. but this 15-week ban with exceptions for rape and incest and the life of the mother, that's where most americans are

if you look at polling. that fits mostly if there is a middle ground of the abortion debate, this is where the middle ground is. it's where most european countries are. only problem, though, republicans have been saying since 1973 this is not a national issue. this is an issue wre want we want to go back to the states. take the power away from the supreme court. let the states decide it. then democracy will reign. lindsey graham completely got in the way of that message yesterday with this. and there are a lot of republicans who rbt really happy about it. >> he did. you're right on the polling. that's not your opinion or mine. if you look at national polling, abortion after the first trimester support falls off a cliff and continues to go down from there. but to your point, it's a little late for this. this is lindsey graham watching what's happening in some of these primary races with the polling looks like ahead of the

midterms, where suburban women are going, where independents are going, voting on the issue of abortion, trying, too late, to slam on the brakes and say, no, this is what we meant. s this is what we meant. we're more moderate than we appear to be. but it's simpy not true. you saw the frustration with republicans yesterday pushing back against lindsey graham's idea of a federal abortion ban. here's what they said. >> if you're going to his bill, you're going to have to ask him about it. in terms of scheduling, i think most of the members of my conference prefer that this be dealt with at the state level. >> i think a better approach is the legislation that tim kaine, lisa murkowski, krysten sinema and i have introduced, which would codify a number of cases and sets viability as the point

after which states can impose their own regulations. >> the support the fact that we the people can decide this in 50 states. >> decisions concerning the hotly contested question of abortion go to elected legislatures, that's going to be principally decided at the state level. >> i think that we need to be codifying roe and not turning back the clock 50 years. >> so this is a mess entirely of republicans own making. they got roe overturned. a lot of politicians including many running in important races for the united states senate are saying during their primaries we want no exceptions for rape. we want no exceptions for incest. and now lindsey graham trying desperately with a hail mary to put a new marker down for republicans. >> yeah, the white house sent lindsey graham flowers last night. they were thrilled that he switched the conversation away

from a precarious situation on the stock market to, in fact, what's going on in every of state across the country right now as women are coming to the realization that fundamental rights have been ripped from them. and what's important about this bill, make no mistake about it, this bill is not a national standard for abortion. this bill is saying to states that want more open access to abortion, we know better. because all of the extreme laws stay in place. nothing in this bill changes the fact that in my state, a young incest victim is going to be forced to give birth. nothing changes it. so it is the worst of both worlds. it's saying the federal government knows best in states that have more access. and state legislatures know best when it comes to extreme laws already on the books in more than a dozen states across the country. >> jonathan lemire, you reported

on this yesterday that we talked about biden's split screen, some staffing issues there. putting the president out there while the dow was of going down. but it's interesting. people aren't going to be talking about that split screen a month from now, but i guarantee people are talking about republicans proposing a national ban. because that's the issue issue of the moment right now. and the last thing you want to do if you're a republican is throw more fuel on the fire, but that's what lindsey seemed to do yesterday. republicansment nothing to do with this. that showsout impact of dobbs, the impact of kansas and just how the defense of republicans are right now over abortion. >> i was on the white house south lawn yesterday for the remarks there. about the achievement. and as he was talking, i was getting texts from both sides of

the aisle noting the stock market plunging, noting that timing for the president's speech, but then the other message i was getting included some from democrats, including a senior white house aid, who jokingly mused if lindsey graham had changed teams, if now was on the white house payroll because the timing of this was so bad for republicans. they have spent more than a month now trying to change the conversation back to the hit and. thae didn't want to talk about mar-a-lago or the raid and having to deal with trump every single day. they didn't want to talk about the achievements that democrats have strung together. that i wanted to talk about the economy and inflation. and they were given numbers in which they were able to do that again. gas prices are down, but inflation is in trouble. and lindsey graham flansing on his own does this. voters charged up about the issue of abortion. this seems like it's an effort

to fire up the republican base as well. >> i have to tell you. if you're mitch mcconnell, you got to be pulling out every last hair that you have. you have to deal with donald trump, who goes out of his way to get the weakest candidates in the most important swing states. he succeeds in doing that by who he selects. you also have donald trump doing everything he can to stay in the news. fascinating story about how donald trump is still the most searched name in american politics. that never happens as we're coming up to midterms. it's always the president sitting in power that is that person. and that's the last thing republicans want. then you have rick scott, who is

going around promising, i can't believe this, he's promising to abolish social security and medicare. he's promising to kill those two programs every five years. i'm going to kill it after five years. we should kill social security and kill medicare every five years. and make senators fight for it if they want to restart it. then we're going to kill it five years after that. then he's talking about taxing working class can americans. he wants to raise taxes on working class americans, on middle class americans and he. s to cut taxes on the richest americans. allow them to continue to pay at a lower rate than their secretaries and clerical staff. it's outrageous. now you have lindsey graham. and you just got to be thinking,

mitch is going how do i do this thisle decent and tweedle dumb. and this lindsey gift to the biden administration is unthinkable. >> yeah, yesterday was actually mist fig. is lindsey graham that insecure that he has to use the occasion of when the stock market is crashing, when the only issue that people are talking about all day yesterday, especially in politics is inflation. and he depose on to raise the draconian issue surrounding the republican party after the decision on abortion. let's resurrect that. i don't know. it was mystifying to see senator graham doing that. and i think the republicans despite their acute awareness of

the difficulties surrounding the supreme court decision, they still might be really unaware of what's happening at the street level among ordinary people. the impact of this issue, abortion on voters. >> monday afternoon, vice president harris met with a group of civil rights leaders and planned parenthood and was arguing about how do we really fight to mobilize voters around nonpartisan lines, around this issue of taking a away women's rights. con verged civil rights and women's rights. if we waited 24 hours, we wouldn't have had to have the meeting because lindsey graham did it for us. i think he's energized a base that none of us with all of our organizations could have done.

it was amazing he would come out and say we're not going to do this state by state. i agree the data says 15 weeks and it starts going down. it was going to make a national ban on abortion. it couldn't have been better in a movement that we're trying to help converge. it couldn't have been better for the democrats. i remember growing up i had a mentor that if you see a guy on the edge of a cliff about to go over, give him room. don't turn a suicide into a homicide. so back up and let him go over the cliff. >> okay. >> i think that is a tough paraphrase was in the polling. if you see your enemy destroying himself, don't interfere.

>> i might go help him. that's a whole other conversation. >> something to consider as we heard from those republicans say no, you can't have a national ban. this is a states issue. in january of 2021, so about 20 months ago, lindsey graham sponsored a 20-week abortion ban it was co-sponsored by 45 republicans, including many of the people we just saw 20 months later saying of course, not, this is a states rights issue. it gets to how much the dialic as changed since that overturning of roe v. wade. >> and he was quoted not that long ago saying i have been consistent. consistent is not your name, lindsey graham. trying to find the that is where you're all about. you're insecure, when john mccain left, you had to go to donald trump. and try to get in his circle of

light. it's really kind of sad for those who worked with lindsey graham and watched him flip his position on immigration and climate change and now flipping his position on states rights on abortion. and if i could just for a minute dive back into the last segment just for a second, uh-uh hope "the washington post" is getting their editorial ready for bud in north carolina and walker in georgia. there's a plethora of republican candidates refusing to debate this year. and sometimes not wanting to debate has nothing to do with somebody's health. it has everything to do with typically you don't wip elections with debates. typically there's something that happens that helps you lose an election with a debate. >> the "washington post" came out with a scathing editorial about fetterman in pennsylvania. >> i want to see the walker debate. >> if you could have herself

shell uncensored for an hour and a half, that would be something. >> we have an update. they are going to debate. they announced it yesterday. october 14th there will be a debate between senator. if i were walker, with every question, i would play a video of my highlights at georgia and just remind people of why they like him. >> i'm going to set my tivo. >> you ready for my pillow? >> mr. pillow? >> mypillow ceo mike lynn dell says that fbi agents seized his cell phone and questioned him yesterday.indell says that fbi agents seized his cell phone and questioned him yesterday. >> i know he didn't tat.

>> so the fast food restaurant was a hardee's. and lindell told "the new york times" agents served him with a search and seizure warrant and interviewed him for about 15 minutes. the fbi has confirmed that he was served with a warrant. he claims agents asked him about tina peters, a colorado county clerk, who has been indicted on charges of tampering with voting machines after the 2020 election. >> you can't do that. >> lindell is a prominent supporter of former president trump and the big lie. he's a regular at trump's rallies and around the country. and a frequent guest on far right wing platforms. let's stay with what we know here. if they have a warrant, if the fbi ises able to execute a search and seizure, what do they have to be able to do that?

>> they have probable cause. if there's evidence of a crime on that phone, it's that simple. that's what needpeople need to get over the terminology about raids and breaking in places. keep in mind, every judge who approves these search warrants, they look at what is being asserted by the fbi. they look at the facts. and they have to make an independent determination that there is probable cause that evidence of a crime is present and it needs to be secured. and so none of this is outside the law. this is the essence of the rule of law. i'm so tired of republicans whining about how this is not the law. it's the law. and mike lindell got a little piece of law yesterday. it's called the rule of law. it will be interesting to see what they find on that phone. >> it will be interesting. you have covered news, crime, you have covered these sort of investigations for a very long time.

and when we start seeing the president's aids, some of the president's closest followers, people who worked for him, having their phones taken, you can't do that unless you have a probable cause that a crime has been committed. it seems that everything that donald trump has done over the past five years, specifically over the past two and a half years, finally as we say, the chickens are coming home to roost. it appears that everything is catching up with this guy all at once. >> you know, joe, my sense after talking to several people about this over the past couple weeks is that despite the coverage of of this ongoing story surrounding everything having to do with donald trump and the missing classified files at

mar-a-lago and everything else surrounding that that despite the massive coverage, excellent coverage that both print and electronic, we are still underestimating the toughness, the rigor and the discipline of merrick garland in pursuit of this case. he's a very cautious individual. he moves slowly, i'm told. he's a very thoughtful individual. he's not going to sign off on anything that is going to be getting out ahead of this in terms of the justice department. this is a huge ongoing story and clearly at this point, it appears that it is potentially lethal to donald trump in a legal sense. >> first of all, easy pickings for fbi agents. it's well known the mypillow guy fancies hardee's. what they are looking for is he was in the oval office

repeatedly in the weeks after the election. let's remember this was after covid outbreak on election night. this was after some of trump senior staff had quit or left or started looking for other jobs or working from home. the guardrails or gate keepers were gone. and the michael flynns and the mike lindells of the world, they are the ones who were in the oval office talking to trump and floating conspiracy theories about how the election had was rigged, but also what they could do about it the idea of calling martial law, theed in of seizing voting machines and obstrucing the peaceful transfer of power. that's where this investigation is. to mike's point, the agents and the department of justice not just pursuing what happened there with mar-a-lago, but the january 6th investigation continues. and many people believe that still is where the most legal peril rests for the former president and we saw more than 40 trump associates had served

subpoenas. this investigation is only going wider by the day. >> and but the way, those fbi agents were smart enough to know you bait that trap with a hardee's value meal, you're going to catch mr. pillow every time. we're keeping an eye on london where in just over one hour, the procession to move the queen's body from buckingham palace will begin. also chris coons will be our guest as he prepares to chair a meeting on the need to protect information from hostile foreign powers. as a report this morning shows russia spent hundreds of millions of dollars to influence foreign elections. you're watching "morning joe," we'll be right back. you might take something for your heart...

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it's a beautiful day in new york city as we come up on 7:30 in the morning. recent polling shows democrats leading on the congressional ballot ahead of the midterm elections, but a new study argues the democratic party is making things more difficult for itself by flooding money into a long-shot races instead of some under the radar contests that could actually decide the balance of power in washington. joining us now, the ceo of the company that authorized that study. also with us for this discussion, national affairs analyst executive editor of the recount john heilemann. good morning to you all. let's give people some examples of what we're talking about here. these long-shot races, unwinnable usually, but for reasons somewhat mysterious, money flows into them. what are we talking about here?

>> i think there's a whole slate of races where the republican candidate is very well known and very objectionable. and people want to donate to their opponents. marjorie taylor greene is a great example of this. the problem is she represents a seat she's likely to win by 30 and 50 points this cycle. and despite that, her democratic opponent has raised more money than all but eight people running for congress nationwide. >> so he's the guy with the cowboy the hat. is this small donors who say, i see her on tv, i don't like her. or is the party actually putting money in behind the democratic candidate? >> it's almost exclusively small donors. they see marjorie taylor greene, they dislike her and also see marcus flowers. that he is targeting very specifically at democratic donors and that are designed to raise money from those donors and appeal to all of the things that they absolutely despise

about marjorie taylor greene. >> what is being sacrificed here? what are the races money should be spent from the perspective of a democrat instead of against marjorie taylor greene? >> the challenges that when you look at how democrats keep the house come november, there's a very small number of races that are actually going to make the difference there and a lot of the ones that they are going to need to keep in order to actually keep the house are races that nobody is talking about. they are under the radar. there's not a lot of congressional district level polling that's public at this point. and when you look at a lot of the races, while there's a national narrative about the fact that democrats are leading in terms of fundraising, a lot of those races, the republican candidates are ahead by quite a bit. so when you look at races like the ones we're talking about, those candidates shs the person running against marjorie taylor greene, the person running in the cawthorn seat, collectively have raised over $25 million. these are democrats running in seats that they are completely incapable of winning. and at the same time, you see

democratic candidates running in far more competitive seats trailing by 2-1 margins in had some cases. >> john heilemann, this happens a lot. with democrats especially, it happened in south carolina. everybody wanted to get lindsey graham out of there. had a great candidate. but i'm sorry, i could have told everybody the beginning of the process republicans weren't going to lose south carolina, but the money kept pouring in. >> i think i agree with you about the ultimate in south carolina. when you talk about a senate race, it's a little different because you don't get quite as extreme a candidate as you do in particular in congressional districts. what these giept geists are pointing to is you start at the point if there's a reason why

marjorie taylor greene gets elected in the first place. anybody who is republican could get elected there. and number two, it's an extreme district that's willing to tolerate her lunacy. that's going to be an uphill fight for any democrat. you're not going to feel that. that's not a district that's going to be hospitable towards a moderate democrat. there are people who worked representing them. the question for you guys is whether looking at a rational allocation model. if the the democratic party, if there was such a thing, could play gone, they would take those dollars and say these are wasted dollars. in races we really need to win that are tight. the question is whether those dollars would be there or the people contributing to a complete fantasy race like the one against mtg, whether they are only going to put money into that race because they are not

really sophisticated donors. they are maybe not that invested in the overall question. they hate marjorie taylor greene. they are on facebook ask they are going to put $5 or $10 into that race. if you ask them to contribute, they would be like, i don't care about that. i care about trying to beat marjorie taylor greene and i know it's a long shot, but why not. >> that's exactly this sort of on voters we're speaking to today. you have a lot of of people who want to see mtg out of office. she's not going to lose in her congressional district, but if democrats keep the house, she's not going to become a subcommittee chairperson either. for people who dislike her, dollars spent in abigail's race or a host of under the radar races this due to redistrict rg competitive because they are swing seats or the lines have been drawn so differently this cycle, there's now a new opportunity in those seats. those are the places that democratic majority, that path runs through these seats.

it doesn't run through georgia in the situation where north georgia flips democratic. we're going to have a 400-vote majority in congress. and at that point, i think a lot of other things would have to go in a direction that there's no data that shows they are going in at this point. >> yeah, that ain't happening. and reverend al, if you have people that decide they are going to get involved in a race because they don't like a republican or a democrat in one of these seats, all you do is you sort of whip up fundraiing arms race. you allow candidate x, who you want to get out of office, to say, my gosh, look at all of the liberals across america that are putting this money into my race. please send me money so i can push back hollywood liberals and left wing freaks. so then they get more money.

it's just a waste of resources in the end any way you look at it. >> there's no question about it. it gives the person they are targeting a fundraising narrative that they couldn't have wished for because now they can play against that. but the real problem is when you look at the national democrats, jamie harrison and others in the dnac, they can't easily tell people don't put money here, put money there. because they can't go against their own base. so it puts them in a very precarious position. they just have to sit back and let it happen because these people are not driven by the democrat you can national committee. they are driven by their dislike for somebody like congresswoman green. >> you have some polling that

you're going to reveal. california's 41st district, will rollins against ken calvert. how does this illustrate your point? >> this is a perfect example of this sort of under the radar seat. it's not even as prominent as a span berger that anyone is paying attention to. this is a seat that hasn't been competitive in three decades when you have an incumbent member of congress who has some corruption issues, who has made a series of antigay statements that have gotten him in some hot water. what's happened is this is a district that was redistricted that it's plus 1. when it became more democratic, large parts of palm springs, an area that has a large lgbtq community, got redistricted into his seat. now you have an openly gay, former federal prosecutor running as the democratic candidate, running against this incumbent. what we see in our polling is this is a race where the

democrats being outfunded 2 to 1, but this is the race that could swing to the democrats. this is the place where resources are being drained by places like the mtg race. thus bust this is a race on the path to democratic majority. >> talking about funding, let's talk about big issue obviously right now that lindsey graham has put front and center. that is abortion. you sent me some information. fascinating numbers out of of kansas that really show, again, before that election, before that referendum, you actually had people predicting the pro life forces were going to win by 2 or 3 points. it ended up the pro choice forces won by 19 points. what was behind that and how does that play what we're going to see in november of 2022?

>> a lot of us was struck over labor day weekend. there was a piece in "the new york times" that said he will be look at the data trickles in from kansas, he was saying that not just in kansas but across the country that the fallout from the repeal of roe and the decision in dobbs has been like beyond anything he's ever seen in 30 years in the business. where the number of new voters coming into the system is overwhelmingly women motivated by the question of abortion rights. and last night he started tweeting out that the final data had gotten to him in kansas. and it's really striking. he talks about how the gender gap in kansas between the vote share was 5.5%. the gender gap more than doubled since 2018 when they looked at that number. but the striking thing in these

numbers to me, the 51% of the ballots cast in kansas on the amendment were cast by republicans, which tells you that over 20% of republicans who voted in that race voted for the pro choice position. he depose on to say voters surged into kansas to oppose efforts to ban abortion. in the 2018 primary, reporters under 35 counted for 14% of all ballots. when you talk about these kinds of races, you talk about the 21% female vote increase, those are transformative nurls. those are numbers in a state like kansas, which is one of the reddest states in the country. if that's the kind of thing this is going to be replicated in places where there's more turnout on the pro choice side, that gives you a sense of how big the effect of dobbs has been and how much it could change the outcome in november. >> what's your sense of how much

the abortion issue has changed the tie dynamics how much have things changed? >> it's a totally different election cycle now. >> you agree with that? >> yeah, even in the research we were just talking about, number one or number two issue in almost every race we polled over the last number of months. >> and i want to underline something from your neighboring state of kansas. again, a 19-point victory for the guarantee of abortion rights and protection in the state of kansas. and the majority of people who voted in that referendum were republicans. which we now understand is one of the reasons why you had all of those republicans coming out yesterday distancing themselves from lindsey graham as quickly as they could. >> yeah, let me get in the weeds a little bit. one of the challenges in

competitive races across the country in the last 30 days is where do you spend your money? do you spend it on persuasion, trying to get those independent voters and those moderate republicans over to your side? or do you spend it on mobilize ing the voters that you know you have because in midterms it's all about who shows up. what dobbs has given us is lightning in a bottle because you know the issue that does both. that's very unusual for the midterms. to have an issue that motivates your base to vote, but also allows persuasion with independent and republican voters. and on the money stuff, nothing is more frustrating than being in a competitive race and not being able to raise money and watching money go to noncompetitive races, i just remind people that's what the dccc is for. they are looking at all these races. so if you want to get marjorie

taylor greene and make sure she never has power, give $10 to the dccc. they will deploy that to the races that need it the most. >> fascinating numbers. thank you for being here. mr. heilemann, great to see you as well. coming up next, the death of queen elizabeth ii has sparked debate in count tries still tied to the monarchy. we'll get insight on how this is playing out with a live report from australia. plus the latest on the advances made by ukrainian forces and a surprise visit of volodymyr zelenskyy. "morning joe" is coming right back. back

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>> that was 2017 when then president obama awarded joe biden with the presidential medal of freedom. the award for biden came just days before both he and obama would leave office following eight years of working so closely together as the the nas top executives. the two were viewed and described by aides as very close friends, holding weekly lunches with each other. our next guest is the author of a new book that examines the obama/biden relationship. it's entitled "the long alliance: the imperfect union of joe biden and barack obama." and gabriel debenedetti joins us now. why did you take a look at this relationship for your book? >> well, i think because it's essentially a misunderstood relationship. there's no doubt this is the closest relationship we've seen in modern history between a

president and vice president and a president and former president, at least among those that are not related to each other. it's a much more complicated relationship than that. these are two very different men with two different personalities. it's a two-decade relationship that shaped modern politics and it had dramatic ups and downs. these two men got to know each other back in the senate in 2004 and 2005 when the world looked dramatically different. over the time since then, over two decades, both of them had massive political ups and downs. but the idea that this is an uncomplicated bro nance like some like to talk about it doesn't do it justice and understanding that fully really can tell us a lot about where we are as a country and how we got to this point, whether it's how they interacted with each other personally back in the early days or even today. more importantly, how they have thought about politics differently, how they disagreed with each other, what they learned from each other since then. >> all right. let's talk about the disagreements and what they

learned from each other, and also why it matters. >> yeah. just look at that clip, that's a phenomenal example of a complicated moment for them. that's the end of their eight years together. the political backdrop of that moment is that was right after trump was elected. that was a painful election for both of them, but especially joe biden. he wanted to run at the 2016 campaign. behind the scenes, it was a difficult moment for him personally because his son was very ill and passed away. at the same time, you had barack obama talking to biden all along and essentially making clear he thought that hillary clinton should be the right candidate, not his long-time partner joe biden. this was a complicated time for them but they also saw the world very differently at that moment. obama genuinely thought biden was not the right person to be his heir as president. that's one of the rawest moments in the book. i get into the dynamics of the team but the idea is that they did see political change and the threat of trump differently

throughout the 2014 through '16 era. in that moment you see the raw emotion. personally they were as close as they could be. behind the scenes, there was a lot of very, you know, if not outright tension real questions about what the state of their relationship would be as they both left office. what's your sense of their relationship today? we saw a friendly event, a warm event, the unveiling of the portraits for the former president and first lady. are they talking about joe biden running again or not running again? >> they have not yet discussed the 2024 election as i understand it. it's not hard to understand why. they do talk every few weeks, it's more about political therapy rather than specific political strategy advice or policy advice. with the question about 2024, as they're both thinking about their future, their joint legacy and this anti-democratic moment they're worried about on the republican side, think about the

last two presidential elections. obama made it clear to biden that he wasn't the right person in 2016. obama was useful to biden behind the scenes in the 2020 election, but obama was also skeptical for some time that biden was the right man at that time given his age and where the democratic party and republican party was at the time. the idea that biden will call obama now and say do you think i should run in '24? it's historical and not how they are at this moment. >> i can remember eight years that president obama was in and biden was vice president. we had a lot of meetings during tensions around the country, civil rights leaders and i had a lot of access. i remember after trayvon martin and ferguson we would have meetings. before the meetings, early in the process, president obama would almost explain to us, let

me explain to you joe. almost like he was protecting the misperception some of us would have because some of us knew joe biden from the '90s. i got into a friendly relationship with biden since then on some of the senate stuff. but you could tell he began understanding the joe bidens of the world and wanted us to understand it. he would have me sit with joe biden during some of those press things. i think they interpreted for each other to their bases that the other one wasn't what they thought them to be. did you find that in your research? >> absolutely. i think one of the central interesting points here is how much they both transformed politically over the last 20 years or so. they got to know each other when they were totally different politics from what they are now. their first perceptions of each other in the senate were not good at all. they weren't at loggerheads but

they didn't have to think about each other much. joe biden was the senior man of the senate. he thought he would be secretary of state for john kerry. he goes back to the senate and obama shows up, he's this up and comer, they're seeing each other, but they're not really thinking about each other. to the extent that they are, biden is thinking i've been here for 30 years. he recognized obama was something special politically, but the idea that this would be a straightforward partnership, it took a long time. it took a long time when they were in office together before they hit their strooid. >> what's your thoughts on 2015/2016. donald trump is out there running for president. joe biden is permanently shattered by the death of beau biden. in 2015, after beau's death, he

would still mimic how he would run against trump who was out there. >> yeah. >> president obama fearful for joe's feelings, fearful for what joe might do emotionally as a candidate for president, tries to prevent him from running for president, but in joe biden's mind he thought perhaps i see what's going on here. the first black president wants to go down in history as helping the first woman go down in president. >> i think joe biden was thinking about it and that it was clear to a lot of people around biden and biden himself that he wouldn't be able to run. behind the scenes, biden was struggling with this a lot. this is a very difficult moment for him. but also politically speaking,

he was not sure that obama was reading the political moment right at all. he was questioning of some choices that the clinton campaign made. in fact he would say to some of his aides, i don't think this is working. he talked to bernie sanders, gave him some advice early on, and he would look at the polls. one thing he would do often is look at the poll numbers, talk to his aides and say no one trusts clinton. this is going to be a big problem. it's because his own numbers showed his own trust numbers were good. after a while, the obama people said to him, that's not what this election will be based on, it's not about trust. >> it's a moment that changed history. the new book "the long alliance: "the imperfect union of joe biden and barack obama." gabe, thank you very much. >> thank you. we're just over an hour away now from the beginning of the procession to bring queen elizabeth's body to westminster

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it's the top of the third hour of "morning joe." welcome back. it's wednesday, september 14th. queen elizabeth ii has made a final trip to buckingham palace. her coffin was flown to london from edinburgh, scotland yesterday and driven through the gates of the palace last night. it was the final leg of the journey through the united kingdom from balmoral, her summer home where she died, to london. a huge crowd of well wishers greeted the procession despite the rain. in just about an hour, the royal family will join the procession to transport the queen's coffin

to westminster abbey. there she will lie in state for the next four days until her funeral on monday. during that time the general public will get a chance to view her body and offer condolences. the procession will include king charles, prince andrew, prince william, and prince harry. the queen consort and kate middleton and megan merkel will also participate. >> msnbc will bring you those pictures as they happen this morning. in ukraine this morning, volodymyr zelenskyy visited the newly liberated areas. he traveled to izyum and met shoulders and thanked them for

their efforts in taking back ukrainian territories. he said most of the city has been devastated with the majority of residential buildings blackened by fire. the country's deputy defense minister said yesterday that fighting still rages on in kharkiv but ukrainian troops are making progress. joining us is delaware senator chris coons of delaware. thank you for being with us this morning. a lot of this as president zelenskyy has said is the result of aid from the united states, billions of dollars worth of aid, ammunition and other things that the united states has provided. what do you make of the news over the last week or so of these gains and the lightning speed counteroffensive by the ukrainians? >> this is great news. the ukrainians are making remarkable progress both in the south where they signaled a counter offensive in the kherson region and in the north in kharkiv where they recaptured

3,000 square miles of ukrainian territory from the russian occupiers. as you said, this is in no small part due to the united states and our critical european allies delivering advanced weapons that are making a difference on the battlefield. ongoing financial support from the united states and european partners in allies to the ukrainian government and people as well as their military. president biden, his administration have asked that we provide another round of support to help the ukrainians through the end of this year. they needed to show quick progress on the battlefield before winter sets in. i'm optimistic about the path forward here. there's a tough war ahead. russia remains a significant military opponent for the ukrainians, but this is absolutely lifting the spirits of the ukrainian people and solidifying bipartisan support here in congress for continuing our efforts in support of

ukraine. >> ukraine and vladimir putin occupy a whole bunch of space, politically, economically, emotionally with regard to the united states, nato and everything entailed in that. my question to you is are we paying enough attention to china? >> we are trying to do both at the same time. later today, the senate foreign relations committee will have a mark up on a bill that has to do with taiwan and our engagement in the indo-pacific and what we're doing in terms of u.s./taiwan policy which implicates our one-china policy and u.s./china policy. we here in the senate are continuing to work on both. you raise a good question. later today i'm also going to have a subcommittee hearing on foreign intelligence services and their efforts to get the private personal identifying information of u.s. nationals, average american citizens and

members of our military, law enforcement and elected officials. senator ben sasse of nebraska and i will be doing this hearing following yesterday's hearing where a whistle-blower from twitter made it clear that twitter is not investing enough in securing our data. obviously the chinese are along the more aggressive foreign intelligence services and in a world where so much of our lives now are carried out on social media platforms and so much of our data is available there, i do think that's a key part of our keeping an eye on developments both with regards to china and the world. >> you talk about social media and the dangers to american democracy from social media and foreign interference. it reminds us all of 2016 when facebook admitted internally to themselves that russians used facebook to spread

disinformation and try to influence the election. sheryl sandberg got angry at the whistle-blower who came forward. as a follow-up to that, we get reports now that $300 million was spent by vladimir putin to undermine democracies across the world. of course a lot of that, a lot of the focus on the united states. in 2017, intel agencies all agreed that vladimir putin and russia used active measures, mime pompeo, dan coates, christopher wray, general ashley, all trump appointees, all agreeing that russia used active measures. marco rubio led the intel committee report that said that trump's 2016 campaign posed a grave to counterintelligence efforts against the united states of

america. the all of this -- a lot of this leading up to your reaction to 300 million -- $300 million play while trump supporters keep talking about a russia hoax. >> it's clearly not a hoax, joe. russia under vladimir putin has spent hundreds of millions of dollars covertly and overtly trying to influence elections here in the united states and throughout western europe. there was a report of the foreign relations committee as well as an intelligence report that documented the many ways in which the russians were engaged in known and overt influence activities. this additional recent report makes it clear that hundreds of millions of dollars more were spent by vladimir putin trying to divide the west, trying to shape our political cultures and

the outcomes of elections. we should have no illusions about who he is and what his goals are. he's an autocrat fighting democracy. he wanted to stop ukraine from being a democracy on the doorstep of russia. more than 300 million being spent by russia is a reminder he has targeted the united states directly and our election infrastructure. >> senator, i wanted to ask you, two quick things. i want your reaction on lindsey graham wanting to nationalize an abortion ban. secondly, the unfortunate split screen yesterday where joe biden was going out talking about how great the anti-inflation act was that he signed into law, at the same time we saw the stock market plummeting because inflation numbers are still hot.

we can talk about the staffing error of putting the president out at that time, but let's talk about things people care about, inflation. how in the hell does the government cool it off? >> gas has gone down 90 days in a row. gas is probably the pressure point that most folks feel first. we still have more work to do to get inflation down further. at the celebration at the white house yesterday, our president was reminding us that the inflation reduction act is going to reduce prescription drug prices, health care prices, energy prices. there's a $300 billion down payment on reducing the deficit this year and there's those significant additional measures to reduce the costs that most households feel, whether at the pharmacy or the pump or in paying their monthly heating bills. i'm also struck that senator

lindsey graham of south carolina introduced a 15-week nationwide abortion ban. i think as americans go to the polls in november, they'll see these two sharp contrasts. president biden and the democrats passing a fully paid for bill that tackles the daily prices that matter to them, that tackles the climate crisis, that makes our country more competitive and secure and further efforts by a republican leader to impose a nationwide abortion ban that would impact not just those states that have already at the state level adopted complete abortion bans, but that would impact states like delaware and many other blue states that are protecting reproductive rights. this would overturn that. that makes it clear if the senate is retaken by the republicans, this will likely see a vote in the coming year. >> democratic senator chris coons of delaware, thank you very much for being on this morning. >> thank you. a judge convicted three men

yesterday for assaulting and impeding police officers during the january 6th capitol riot. the patrick mccoy, tristan stevens and david maffe were were found guilty on most but not all charges. mccoy used a riot shield to pin a d.c. police officer to the tunnel door and hit another officer as well. he was convicted on every charge he faced. stevens engaged the mob in coordinated pushes and shoved a capitol police sergeant with a riot shield. and maffey directed rioters in and out of the tunnel. the judge convicted both men on most of their charges but acquitted them on obstruction of an official proceeding. the first time any january 6th defendant has been acquitted of a felony. all three argued they were trapped between police and protesters, but the judge dismissed their argument as implausible saying they knew

exactly what was happening. their sentencing is set for january. the justice department has released new disturbing details about the attack on former d.c. police officer michael finone. this picture shows the scars he has on his neck from that attack on january 6th. the doj says danny rodriguez hit the officer's neck with a stun gun three times that day. other rioters beat finone leaving him unconscious. finone's partner tried to keep him conscious saying come on, mike, come on, buddy, we're going duck hunting soon. rodriguez got the stun gun from another capitol rioter named kyle young. young was arrested in april of 2021 after prosecutors identified him as a member of the mob that attacked finone.

he is set to be sentenced at the end of the month. prosecutors are seeking a seven-year prison sentence. so, joe, the more you learn -- we knew officer fanone was attacked. we saw it on video. we heard him testify that he thought about his kids, wondering if he would see them again, making peace that perhaps he would not. there's the attack on the democracy, there's the attempt to overturn the results of the election by intimidating government officials and just the raw violence of that day, attacks on police officers that we see again now in great detail were vicious and in some cases later cost officers their lives. >> and mike barnicle, justice has to be served. no man is above the law. rioters have to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law,

especially when they're trying to take down a democratic election. that said, we saw the transcripts of the people who attacked officer fanone, who said he immediately went home that night and wept and realized immediately he was swept up into something he should have never been a part of. we're hearing this time and time again by people who were swept up by donald trump's lies, people who were swept up by propaganda lies, people swept up by the lies of millionaires in the media that make things up that donald trump feeds to them. again, it's no excuse for this madness and this mayhem and this -- >> who would gloss this over? >> nobody is glossing it over. >> some republican leaders are. they call this any day in january? just a gathering? are you kidding me? >> of course. i'm making another point here.

the point is at the end of the day, you're throwing these people into jail, many of whom were swept up because they believed from their president that american democracy was being stolen from them based on the big lie. the big lie. they're going to jail now while donald trump sits fat, dumb and happy in mar-a-lago. his lies get them thrown in jail and he gets to fly around the world on his jet, gets to golf on the weekends and live a billionaires live while these people who were suckered into this are the ones having to get lawyers they can't afford and are being separated from their families going to jail. when people go, oh my god, how could donald trump be held to the same standard of justice as anybody else? because the people he suckered into doing this are sitting in jail and separated from their

families as well. >> joe, i think you put your finger on a huge legal, political and cultural dilemma that this country now faces as a result of everything surrounding what donald trump has done, not just on that day, january 6th, the morning of january 6th, practically goading a crowd of people to go to the capitol to help overturn an election, to help destroy the constitution of the united states. and the dilemma is do we at the end of the day satisfy ourselves with the sentencing of some fool who followed trump's verbal directions and nearly killed a police officer, do we satisfy ourselves with a seven-year sentence for this individual and then sit back and say, hey, how does donald trump skate on every illegality that he's committed? not only over his lifetime obviously but over the last four

or five years. the biggest dilemma is does he skate on the fact that he's so badly damaged this country that the damage he caused plays out still every single day in our lives? >> i got to say just reading the plain language of the law, i don't know how he skates on being part of a conspiracy to commit sedition against the united states government. as defined by federal statute, what donald trump did was so much more. >> we're hearing from the january 6th committee that more hearings are imminent. so we'll be talking about this much more in the days to come. all right. turning now to queen elizabeth and on the heels of her death, australia is one of several countries paying tribute to her life. while also reviving discussion about cutting ties with the

monarchy. sara james joins us live from sydney. what more can you tell us? >> good morning, mika. you can see behind me the queen is being honored on the sails of the sidney sydney opera house. this country has a fondness for the queen and her legacy, but she's more popular than her son is. so king charles iii, who has just been -- has just risen to the throne, it will be a question as to what that means for the republican movement here in australia. the movement to make this country be independent of the monarchy. right now king charles is not only king of england, he's king of australia. that question about whether or not australia could be

independent and get rid of the monarchy, while the prime minister was asked about that. >> i'm of the personal view, i made it clear, that now is the time for us to pay tribute to the life of queen elizabeth ii. to give thanks for her service to australia, the commonwealth and the world. >> and there's really two reasons for this. the first reason is that the government has another item on their agenda they consider more important. that is around indigenous australians. the government wants to make sure they're constitutionally represented in the parliament.

that's really the first order of business. the question of whether or not australia should be a republic is coming second in the queue. i had an opportunity today to talk to australians in sydney to ask their opinions. have a listen to what they had to say. >> it's a good example from the queen to follow. i wonder if it would have been a better choice to be a bit more modern, but we'll see in time. >> what do you think about australia becoming a republic and getting rid of the monarchy altogether? >> i like the royals. i would like to keep them. >> what do you think about australia having a king? >> it's the first time in our lifetime. it will be very interesting. king charles, you know, he's one of those mobile characters, always looking forward to seeing progress. >> considering what happened to

king charles i and king charles ii, i'm amazed he wants the job. i think we should be a republic. we're grown up now. it's time. >> is here's another interesting point to make, which is interestingly the people who are more supportive of the monarchy are the ones who are gen-z. those in their 20s support the monarchy by about 46%. that's still under water, whereas their parents, people in their 30s and 40s, about 36% of them want to keep the monarchy. it does depend on your age. one final thing to say, no matter who you are, here in australia, these are our coins. they currently have queen elizabeth ii on one side of them. come 2023, no matter what you think about it, so far king charles iii will be on some of

the money here. >> okay. so interesting. sara james live from sydney, australia. thank you very much. we'll have much more from london as they prepare to move the queen's body from palace. also ahead, we'll head to wall street as the stock market is set to open after suffering its worst day in over two years. later, congresswoman pramila jayapal joins us on what her progressive caucus will try to get past while democrats try to hold on to the house. plus a new documentary traces how conspiracy theories went from the far reaches of society to the mainstream. up next, more on the new report on how russia has spent hundreds of millions of dollars in an aggressive effort to interfere in our elections and democracies worldwide.

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department document was sent as a cable to american embassies around the world and amounts "to an initial effort to use biden administration to use intelligence material to -- a nearly 1,000 page report from the republican led senate intelligence committee detailed how russia launched an aggressive effort to interfere in the election on donald trump's behalf. it detailed the close relationship between former trump campaign chairman paul manafort and constatine

kalidnik. taken as a whole, manafort's high-level access and willingness to share information with individuals closely affiliated with the russian intelligence services represented a grave counterintelligence threat. manafort's lawyer at the time refuted the report's findings. the panel's acting gop chairman at the time was senator marco rubio of florida. >> let's bring in former nato supreme ally leader, and as we talk about the covid hoax, the lies that trump has spread around the media ecosystem, for me, the one that stings is russian ocean.

when people talk about a russian hoax. they ignore marco rubio's senate intel committee saying that the contacts with russia constituted a grave, grave counterintelligence threat or that all the intel agencies were saying that russia was getting involved to help donald trump win the 2016 election campaign. this morning more evidence, $300 million spent worldwide by vladimir putin to try to influence campaigns, mainly the united states, but also some other western democracies. $300 million hoax. that's some hoax. talk about the consequences of it and the risks. >> you bet. and let's all be -- not be naive here. we're getting the tip of the iceberg, no doubt. this is where a lot of russian oil and gas revenue goes is to

shape the international system. you'll hear some people quoting that great movie of global geopolitics, "casablanca" saying come on, this is business as usual around the world. i can't believe there's gambling in this house. no. this is wrong. it's huge. we're just seeing the beginning of this. we ought to remember here that this not only goes right at the heart of who we are as a nation, but also as you mentioned our allies, partners and friends. i would bet you everything i own that france is high on the list here attempting to manipulate along with other european countries. bottom line here, u.s. intelligence is smart releasing this information. there's always that tendency, joe, to hold it back. this is a perfect example of where by proactively launching this intelligence, we hopefully

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a conspiracy theory is a theory that there is one bigger that is pulling the strings. >> there are wealthy powerful families that control everything. >> nazis aren't coming. they are here. >> our elections were stolen. >> you devil worshipping satanist whit.

>> the rule of law in this country has been eliminated. >> there is money to be made here. >> they are trying to manufacture anger. >> i lost everything i ever worked for. >> i miss my dad all the time. >> this is really pulling people in. >> i'm never going to talk to him again. that was the trailer of a new six part docu-series entitled "shadowland" set to premiere on peacock next week. based on reporting from the atlantic magazine, the series follows americans across the country who believe in conspiracy theories and reveals how these theories have moved from the margins to the mainstream. joining us now is one of the series' executive producers, award winning filmmaker. joe, thank you very much for being on the show. and tell us exactly how this docu-series takes us through how

these conspiracy theories get to the mainstreams. which ones do you look at and what can be done? >> it is no secret that america is deeply divided and we've kind of divided into camps and we demonize one another and look at the other side as caricatures. and i believe the foundation of american democracy is compromised in dialogue and there is no dialogue right now and i believe a large part of that is due to conspiracy theories going mainstream. so i wanted to just take a deep dive in bed with people, immerse myself and my team with people who believe in these conspiracy theories to see how and why, because i think until we start seeing each other as three dimensional human beings and talking to one another, i think the fabric of american society is really framed. and so we looked in to why people went to the capitol on

january 6. a lot of those people felt that they were patriots because of course they believed the big lie about the stolen election. we look at the anti-vaxxers, anti-maskers, school board meetings have become violent even on the local level. school board members were threatened back then by enforcing mask mandates. we filmed this during the height of the pandemic. and so we looked at why people believe in these conspiracy theories. >> and these lies are obviously traveling around on the internet, on social media, on platforms that don't require truth and facts to be verified, triple verified and all the other requirements for example a publisher would have to go through. how to combat that? >> that is one of the troubling

questions. i trace it back to the explosion of the 24 hour news cycle, the blurring of the line between entertainment and news, the introduction of social media as a communication device. it is deeply troubling. we need more monitoring. but people refuse to believe even when facts are presented to them. we see that with the whole january 6 issue as well as the stolen election. it is a deeply perplexing problem. you know, there have always been conspiracy theories. they are as old as society. but they have never been more mainstream. and i think that is what the show tries to wrestle with is like why do people believe and what can we do about it. >> the new series "shadowland" is available on peacock starting september 21. joe, thank you very much for coming on the show this morning. we appreciate it. and we are just about to roll in to the fourth hour of

"morning joe." it is just about 6:00 a.m. on the west coast, and 9:00 a.m. on the east coast. and 2:00 p.m. in london where huge crowds of mourners have gathered to watch queen elizabeth ii' coffin leave buckingham palace as it is taken on a horse drawn gun carriage to westminster hall where the late monarch will lie in state for four days until her funeral on monday. princes william and harry are expected to join their father, king charles iii, in the somber procession. we'll bring you live pictures of all of this when it begins. 22 past the hour is the official time that it is supposed to begin. >> yeah, we'll go to that short time from now. but we begin this hour on wall street where stocks fell yesterday dramatically after the release of august inflation report. the dow jones dropped more than 1200 points while the s&p 500

slid over 4% and the nasdaq composite fell by more than 5%. those drops erasing nearly all of the market's recent rally. let's bring in dom chu. what is it looking like this morning? >> what we have is some stability and the reason why, this morning we got the producer price index, that is to say wholesale or business level inflation. the reason why you want to look at this is because it could become a precursor or leading indicate for what consumer prices will look like in the coming week and months. what we did see is on a month over month basis, business level inflation costs actually fell by one tenth of 1% and that matched economists' expectations. so you are seeing a bit of an easing there. if you strip out the effects of food and energy prices, which can be more volatile, we did see those prices still though rise by 0.2% on a month over month

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