♪♪ good to be with you. i'm katy tur in london. no matter how you feel about a monarchy, any monarchy in 2022, it was hard not to be moved by what we just witnessed. the pageantry and symbolism, hundreds of soldiers in the ceremonial costume we've come to associate with the queen, those red jackets and tall bear-skin hats. it took 46 minutes for the queen's coffin to make the final journey away from buckingham palace, her home for the last seven decades, and to westminster hall where mourners in a line that could reach as many as ten miles long wait to

see their -- say their final good-bye. yet, for all of its anticipation and its singular history, this moment felt eerily realm necessary of this one. the very young brothers made this same march because they're mother's coffin. it's a painful image of one of the most painful moments in the history of the modern monarchy, not to say anything of the grief the brothers felt and most feel again. the crowds felt it too then and they felt it again today. thousands crowded the streets down the mall and along white hall. some straining to catch even a glimpse of the coffin draped in

the royal standard. there was spontaneous and subdued clapping, but mostly the people were silent, quiet. the steady beat of the drum stirring even the stiffest of upper lips. her coffin lined with led weighs a quarter of a ton. it was lifted off the gun carriage and carried by eight men of the queen's company first battalion. swell pouring off their brows, the weight of the coffin combined with the weight of this moment. ♪♪ >> joining me now is molly hunter with me in london, daisy

mcandrews here as well and also a royal biographer with us as well. molly, you've been with the crowds today. can you tell us what it's been like? >> reporter: katie, today was the moment where the coffin moved from the family to the people and that was felt so strongly in the crowd. i'm over as you can see just across from westminster hall. the queen is now lying in state across the river from where i am and the lines to get in to see her lying in state are over here on this side. they're moving people through by the thousands. we just saw the first thousand go up and around the bridge and they will be going into westminster hall starting in just about an hour and a half or so. but people tell us this is the least they could do. we met people who were camped out in the pouring rain who didn't have tents. they said, this is what they owe their queen of 70 years. we met americans who as soon as the queen died, got on a plane,

came over and as soon as they realized that anyone could wait in line, they got on a plane and came over here. we met people from canada, the commonwealth. this is a diverse crowd. we spoke yesterday from the line from this crowd and the atmosphere is a mixed one. it's one of reverence, poignant, serious. it's one of slight celebratory giddiness. people are meeting new friends in the line. people are excited for the opportunity. you've got both of the same, these parallel really important feelings and i think that's okay. people talked about, oh, maybe we shouldn't be kind of laughing or smiling at a moment like this. but it's also a celebration. actually, behind me, they let the next group of 1,000 people come through, katie. police have told the people here to be prepared to wait for 20 to 30 hours. they are expecting up to a million people and they don't even know they can get everyone inside westminster hall before the funeral in that time. >> it was said only about

350,000 would be able to make it in due to capacity and time restraints. we'll see if something changes with that. daisy, we talked about it at the top of the show, that image of william and harry walking behind the coffin, it is so reminiscent, it feels like it mirrors that same image from 25 years ago. so much has passed now. what was it like for the public to see that? >> i think both the walkabout we saw in the last weekend, which was completely unexpected, and today's much more formal ceremonial duties, do come as something as a relief to the british public. a lot of people have been very upset at the idea that these two boys who are so loved by the british public are not as close as they were 25 years ago when we saw them walking behind diana's coffin. and it was interesting, the choreography today. the last time they walked behind a coffin was at prince philip's funeral. that downsized covid time.

at that one, they were very deliberately separated be their first cousin who was almost holding them at arms' length. today, they were shoulder by shoulder. maybe we're reading too much into that, but i think that's significant. >> what does it mean to have them repair that relationship? what does it mean for the monarchy. the queen was so outrageously popular. the king might stand to be that as time goes on. it's unclear, though, and the future of the monarchy feels like there's a question mark over it, what it looks like and what it becomes. >> that question is really relevant when you put william and harry into the mix. the new king is popular. nowhere near as popular as his mother was. his popularity, but early snap polls have shown him have something of a surge. a lot of that is sympathy. it's a honeymoon period. but demographically, the older

brits are much more promonarchy than the younger brits. but the younger brits are much more pro-harry and william. if their popularity can sprinkle stardust onto him, that's a relationship that will benefit them all. in order for that to happen, it has to be fixed properly, not just for show. >> when i was watching harry walking, i thought about what i've heard him say about his time living here and being in this family and he said that he felt trapped by all this duty. what we saw today and he feels his brother and father are trapped by the crown. i know you're not prince harry. but i wonder what it must have been like to be him specifically today. >> i think it's interesting when he said those words about feeling trapped, i think it was much more the goldfish bowl element of being in the royal family. of not being able to speak freely, constantly being followed by paparazzi and so on.

when we're looking at the historic that's of the royal family, those are the bits that harry hasn't had a problem with. he's had the most military experience. along with -- >> yet, he's not allowed to wear his uniform. >> and that's something that i think personally was a mistake. i know why the royal family decided because that's the way things are. you either have to be serving in the military to wear uniform or you have to be a working member of the royal family which is why neither andrew and harry were allowed to. doing a straw poll of my own and talking to people as i do, i think that was probably a mistake. i think that they could have just broken the rules for this occasion and allowed them to proudly wear the military uniform that he's earned. >> molly, i know you want to jump in. >> i was just going to say, i think talking to -- you guys were talked about the popularity

of the young brits. kate and will, the new prince and princess of wales, shoulder so much responsibility. seeing all four of them over the weekend, the four of them and the brothers reunited prior to this week really to get that out of the way. in hopes that people might stop talking about it and focus on the event and on the queen and the new king as they should, but seeing them over the weekend, talking to all the crowds there, it is so clear that prince william and the new princess of wales, kate, are the people that king charles will call onto really push this monarchy forward. he will rise them up, bring them up to a level of prominence because they are so popular. when you look at polls, it is the princess of wales who is the second most popular to the queen. she will be a secret weapon for king charles. no doubt, he knows that, you guys. >> i do want to play a little bit of some of the words from their own mouth of people who

are waiting in line, people who felt it necessary to go say good-bye to the queen themselves. let's listen. >> it's important that we say good-bye to the queen before she goes up to heaven. >> teaching them to learn about history and it's a part of history that she can be a part of and she can remember it for the rest of her life. >> put this into the moment, put this into history for us. >> well, i mean, this is a defining moment of history because we are seeing the nation safer to our beloved monarch who has served us for the last 70 years. while he grieves, we also see our new king stepping into his role and i think what's been telling is that he's so far very much ruled in the style of his mother. he's pushing his personal feelings aside. you could see in that incredibly

poignant display that we've just seen of the four children of the queen, the grief etched on their face and yet they always put duty and devotion first. and i feel really hopeful, actually, i know what daisy says, we're in a honeymoon period. what i've seen so far, you feel that the new king charles absolutely wants to do justice to his mother and wants to rule in the same way as her. and i think that is why the two brothers came together. they wanted to honor the queen who didn't like conflict, she didn't want disharmony. everything about her was pushing towards forgiveness and bringing the family together with the nation coming first. and what we've seen today as we've seen here leave our family and her home in buckingham palace, and today is especially relevant because now she's been dedicated to the nation and he lies in wait. she's moved from mother to monarch to majesty as she lies

in state. >> i would love to just comment on some of the things you were saying there. i completely agree with you, the way that charles has started his reign is very much in the shoes of his mother. he's doing things that she would have up to a point. but if you like putting his own personality on it, own spin on it. he doesn't want to change too much too soon, he doesn't want to frighten people. but he's been much more emotional than she was, particularly in that speech that you just referenced. you wouldn't have heard the queen talking about her own emotions or delivers a speech like that. and i just think that that is him acknowledging that the world is a bit different now, that it's not all about stiff upper lip and that you can be a monarch, but show your human side as well. >> i know we're talking about the modern moment, but what i find so interesting when i'm here and so much of what we've watching is how it's steeped in

history and this history that goes back so much farther than any history that we have in the united states. westminster hall was built in the year 1097. it's seen a lot over the 1,100 years or so. i'm not going to do math on live television. i will make my mom shutter. but in addition to some of the world's most notable figures go through there in recent history, i want to know that it plays a role in the history of the monarch, a key role in the history of the monarch. westminster hall was where charles i was sentenced to death and the monarchy was abolished for a time. >> exactly. it's incredibly fitting that the queen is lying in this historic building and, of course, most of us -- well, you know, unless you're incredibly old, like my father who is 92, you have not seen anything like this. we haven't witnessed a lying-in-state before. and i think what today has shown

is not only the absolute impeccable attention to detail, the military choreography that we do so spectacularly in this country, that is a reason for the monarchy to exist alone because i really don't think -- no offense to your country that there's any other country who does it quite as beautifully as we do. and just to go back to what daisy said, i completely agree with her that the prince did -- the new king did show emotion. but personally, i was slightly apprehensive about king charles because we know so much about him and we know so much about his views. and what was so wonderful about the queen was that we all felt we knew her, but we never really knew exactly what she was thinking. she was an absolute diplomatic master stroke and i think what charles showed from the minute he became king was that he was going to put some of his past political behavior behind him. we know what causes he espouses

and in his first speech, he very deliberately referenced the fact that he knows that being king charles iii is a very different role from the prince of wales. so it was a very smooth and very sophisticated passing of the baton to his son, the prince of wales, and all that that role entails. >> ladies, thank you very much. i've gotten out my calculator, it's 925 years. don't do math on live television. thank you, guys. still ahead, the mile to say good-bye could again be as long as ten miles. what happens next here in london? up next, the doj warns you're making a grave risk to national security -- we're making a real turn here, the latest filing regarding the mar-a-lago search. the midterm gift democrats say lindsey graham just gave them. them age is just a number. and mine's unlisted. try boost® high protein

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damage to the country. joining me now is ken. there's a new filing from doj, we got a little bit more insight into the affidavit for the search warrant for mar-a-lago. explain both. >> katie, the new filing responds to the trump filing which was responding to the original doj request that the judge stay part of her order and allow them to use those 100 classified documents that they found in mar-a-lago. the trump folks portrayed this as a document dispute out of control and this is no more than an overdue library book. this is a dispute between the trump side and the national archives that were at mar-a-lago. the doj is saying, that's ridiculous. these are national defense classified documents and the

government has an absolute right to them. donald trump has no right to them. even if they are personal records as trump seems to be saying, the government's compelling interest in getting access to them as part of a criminal investigation trumps that as a matter of law. the doj also takes on what trump is doing by referring to these records as classified, in quotes, saying that the doj has no evidence that they're classified and that the president has an absolute right to declassify but not arguing that trump did declassify these records, that the doj calls that out as hypothetical and they say that the public is suffering irreparable harm every day because they need to investigate whether anyone saw them who shouldn't have seen them and there were empty envelopes marked classified in them. they need to find out what was in those. on their irreparable harm issue, katy, they may have a

vulnerability because they first learned of the documents in january. they didn't start the damage assessment until recently. the trump team pointed this out and said if this is such an urgent matter, why didn't you begin this sooner? bottom line, this all now falls in the lap of the judge who will have to rule on this issue, katy. >> so on that note, how might the judge consider this? >> well, i think that the most forceful thing about this filing is that it really pushes both trump's team and the judge to say something about this declassification theory/defense that he has been floating first through surrogates in the media and in the kind of way in this filing where he says that, you know, trump may -- i may have declassified these documents and

the doj has two responses to that. it says, first of all, they say this in a more polite way, put up or shut up. if you did declassify them, you should say so. and, of course, there are penalties and criminal exposure for lying to the court which is why i think they've been so cagey. but more importantly, what the doj is saying is, what difference does it make if you think you declassified them? that still wouldn't make them subject to any privilege that would require a special master to segregate these documents. even if you took classified documents and you declassified them, they would not be attorney-client privilege. there's no claim that this was you getting advice from your lawyers and there's no plausible executive privilege that would prevent them from being able to take them and see them. that's really the most important thing, katy.

all this business about declassification, it's an ultimate defense to a criminal charge that could come after an indictment if mr. trump is, in fact, indicted. but it kind of has nothing to do with the special master and a special master's role in helping the court work out some privilege issues. and i think the doj really sharpened that in this brief and the court is going to have to respond to it. >> all right. so there's that. there's also some news, ken, about mike lindell, the my pillow guy. he says his phone was seized by fbi agents after he ordered at a hardee's in minnesota. what do we know? >> that's about all we know. they seized his home. as you know, they've been doing a lot over the last week or so as we've been reporting some 40 subpoenas to various people in trump world. this would now be the third cell phone we know of that was seized

pursuant to a search warrant. the justice department has expanded its investigation into the efforts by trump and his associates to try to overturn the 2020 election, to try to raise money for the stop the steal movement and in any connections with the january 6th insurrection and we're on the edge of this normal 60-day quiet period before an election. it feels like the justice department has gathered up this evidence and they have the next two months to go through it and see where the case goes from there after the midterm election, katy. >> thank you very much. we're also getting new insight into the january 6th committee's investigation ahead of the expected september 28th hearing. chairman bennie thompson says to expect an interim report in october with a final report in december after the midterms. he commented on the doj's recent subpoenas issued to allies of president trump. >> we have a meeting on friday.

i plan to bring it up. i think now that the department of justice is being proactive in issuing subpoenas and other things. i think it's time for the committee to determine whether or not the information we've gathered can begin that investigation. >> meanwhile, in the case of three january 6th defendants convicted by a trump-appointed judge, two were acquitted on obstruction charges which could have an impact on the trajectory of the doj riot prosecutions going forward. ryan reilly joins me now with more on this. what kind of impact might it have, ryan? >> so, you know, the obstruction charges is what gives a lot of these defendants their most criminal exposure. it's a penalty of up to 20 years in prison. it's a lot of potential time against them. even though you hear a charge of someone getting convicted of an

assault on law enforcement, that sounds serious. the obstruction charge is significant in the government's prosecutions. i think you could see more defendants if they want to go that -- that bench trial route and take this before a judge rather than a jury, you might see more defendants doing that. essentially what the judge found here was that there was not enough evidence that two of the defendants knew what was going on behind that -- inside that building on january 6th. so it's sort of an ignorance defense in some way. there's evidence that -- there was enough evidence that they knew that the certification process was happening within. but there was not evidence in those other two cases. this could impact and we could see more defendants deciding to go before a judge rather than a jury, katy. >> ryan reilly, thank you very much. >> following for this s-curve of a turn. in a half an hour, mourners in

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capitol hill. i imagine lindsey graham saying that he wants to outlaw abortion federally up to 15 weeks is going to be a democratic campaign ad in every single market across the country going forward. >> reporter: yeah, katy, you hear that too, right, the sound of the ad being cut. for democrats i've spoken to up here, this is a moment where they feel like they can show the stark contrast between the parties on this issue of reproductive access and abortion access. it's something that senator graham has introduced in the past but his past introductions of this legislation have centered on making a ban after 20 weeks of gestation. now he's moving it to a 15-week national abortion bans. it has carveouts for rape and incest and the life of the mother being threatened. but this is something in the larger landscape of roe is not something that most of his republican colleagues seem exactly excited to talk about up here.

many of them even today as i've been chasing them with the cameras say they haven't read the bill. here's an example of that. take a listen. >> i think most of the members of my conference prefer that this be dealt with at the state level. >> i think a better approach is the legislation that kim kaine, lisa murkowski, kristen sinema and i have used. >> decisions go to elective legislatures. that's going to be decided at state levels. >> we need to be codifying roe and not turning back the clock 40 years. >> reporter: what you're hearing there from some people is saying this is something that should be left to the states. that's something that graham had said initially in the aftermath of dobbs. but the other thing here is that you've seen a few different bills, one that democrats rallied around and one that is bipartisan in nature but lacks

the votes to pass of ways they could codify the access that roe provided on a national level. right now this legislation as well as graham's is not going anywhere. but it will become an issue for november. >> ali vitali, thank you very much. president biden is in detroit to visit an auto show where america's automotive future is on display. the visit intends to underscore his economic agenda with what the white house calls an electric vehicle manufacturing boom. he's going to speak later this afternoon. but president biden could be facing a looming economic derailment with a rail strike on the horizon. a strike would jam the supply chain once again and our white house team reports president biden along with key members of the cabinet are trying to convince the unions and the rail companies to find compromise. joining me now is nbc's mike memoli. you giveth with one hand, you taketh with the other. >> yeah, katy.

officials have said to me say it feels like it's been a whack a mole crisis. the supply chain crisis, ocean shipping, seeing a lot of the impact of the coronavirus and that led to some of the inflation that we're seeing. now they're concerned about the possibility of a freight rail shut down that could begin as soon as friday. the good news, or at least what passes for good news for the administration's perspective is that as we speak, at this very moment, just a few miles down the road, union represents and management are sitting at the table at the department of labor headquarters trying to work through their differences at this point. the administration says that they are actively engaged with both sides. secretary vilsack, secretary buttigieg and marty walsh primarily being the conduits for trying to find ways for the -- both sides to find an agreement here. the president himself has spoken directly with represents from

both sides as well. we're going to see the president again today underscoring the degree to which he really has been a union man his whole life, supporting unions. but white house officials are emphasizing he's stressing not one side or another in these discussions, but the urgency of getting to a deal. what the administration can do at this point to avoid a strike, a shutdown is very little. they've exhausted most of the options that the president can take unilaterally to extend this timeline. they could agree on their own to extend the timeline. but beyond that, what the administration is looking at is moving towards contingency planning, looking at maybe its truckers, maybe it is ocean shipping. what would take the place of freight rail in a shutdown and prioritizing what goods might need to be moved most urgently. that's where the administration is right now, katy. >> we just saw president biden

walk into detroit where he's going to be visiting that auto show. he was holding hands with governor gretchen whitmer. a lot of whispers of whether she might run for president if president biden doesn't. he's with senator debbie dingell as well. mike memoli, thank you very much. >> thanks, katy. coming up, we'll go back to london. first, ukrainian leaders say they've liberated 150,000 people from russian forces and they're still moving forward. former spokeswoman for president zelenskyy joins us on the hopes for a victory. joins us on the h for a victory. riders! let your queries be known. uh, how come we don't call ourselves bikers anymore? i mean, "riders" is cool, but "bikers"...is really cool. -seriously? -denied. can we go back to meeting at the rec center?

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that's up from about 1,000 from yesterday. so they're making progress every day. in the southern part of the country, in the kherson region, fierce fighting is taking place there. officials say they've been able to liberate dozens more territory down there. as these towns are being liberated, we're also seeing the devastation done under russian occupation. more reports of war crimes. we know that dozens and dozens of investigations have already been launched. up in the kharkiv area in the northeast part of the country, there's allegations and they're also saying that they have evidence showing that the russians used a police station, the basement of a police station for a torture chamber for everyday citizens. the big question that a lot of people are asking here is, is this a turning point in the war. military officials say it very well could be. of course, we've talked to ukrainians on the ground here. they believe this is their moment. we are seeing the russians fleeing the battlefield, they're

capitalizing on that and trying to take back as much ground as they can as we head into the winter months, katy. >> megan, thank you very much. your book is called "my time with zelenskyy," tell us what you're seeing in him in this moment right now. >> well, of course, ukrainians are all united around our leader because we understand that he's done enormous things to make ukraine still stay independent and a sovereign country. and in my book, actually, i'm explaining how he developed from the image of a comedian towards a leader. in fact, when he was invited to leave the country when the war started there and russians approached kyiv, when his personal life and the life of his family was under threat, i knew that he wouldn't leave his people. i was not surprised. i was traveling with him to the

donbas region that russia has invaded back in 2014. and i saw that he was never afraid to go to the front lines to handshake with the soldiers, even if there was shelling and his personal security did not allow him to go, he still was going there to show that the leader would stay with the soldiers under the shelling and under the threat. so this is the part of the character of zelenskyy that you can learn more about by reading the book. >> is this a turning point right now in the war, what we're seeing there, the taking of kherson and other areas that russia has controlled? >> it's very difficult to be very confident in something during this war, especially this terrible invasion. but all ukrainians have hoped to this day, because this is the biggest progress that's happened during the last seven months already and it shows that the

ukrainian leadership is wanting to get back the territory and return the people. we know that over 1 million of ukrainians still stay under occupation and they literally pray every day that ukrainian army comes there. of course all this developments just make our determination stronger. >> your fiance has to stay behind when the war started. how is he right now? >> thank god we were lucky that he came back. he really stayed there for some time. he told me that he was going to bring me, my hometown, as a wedding gift. he had not yet. but i really home that kherson which is in the south of ukraine will come back as fast as possible. i know that over 50 settlements have been returned already. i know a place where he was fighting. it's the village of my childhood. it's fully destroyed,

unfortunately, my grandmother spent weeks sitting in the basement just hearing all the shelling destroying her garden and home and now she's safe in kyiv where she doesn't stop talking about kherson and watching all the news and just like counting every minute to come back. >> thank you very much. your book is called "my time with zelenskyy." thank you very much for joining us. after a break, we're going back to london. the public is going to begin paying their final respects to queen elizabeth. those doors will open at westminster hall. here's what one tour who traveled all the way from utah told us. >> i have a lot of love and respect for the queen because she's such an amazing person. just such a great example of dignity and grace, faithful service, just a great person. e,n we spent our whole pension

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and at the top of the hour, the british public will start filing into westminster hall to pay their final respects to queen elizabeth who is now lying in state there. thousands of people have been waiting for hours, even days, for a chance to see the coffin. matt, we've heard from some of the folks who have been waiting in line. we saw the procession, hushed crowd, some people wiping back tears. it was a genuinely moving moment to see that coffin pass by with the family walking behind it. >> yeah, katy, one of the things that impressed me, having hung out the last couple of days and talking to people, people discuss the queen, in terms of a

political leader, she's such an unknowable, distant figure for people in their lives, yet people discuss her and mention her as if she was an intimate, as if she was a family member. she appears in their stories. but she's not someone they've met for the most part. the overwhelming majority, not someone they know well. yet they speak of her with such intimacy, it's surprising. when i saw people gathered here along the mile, the cortege. what we saw was the queen bridging that connection, along the mall behind me, between buckingham palace on one extreme end and houses of parliament, westminster palace, along the other, along with the judges and the courts. that journey made that

connection between the democracy from which this country derives its popular will and the government deals with the public, and the monarchy which gives the legitimacy to the democracy. so we saw here this connection straddling that sometimes uncomfortable connection or it used to be uncomfortable, between democracy and monarchy, that this country has set an example for the world in following, making this a constitutional monarchy. that's why when we saw where i was standing here, and you can't see them now, they've all left, but there were hundreds and hundreds of uniformed police officers, firemen, soldiers, sailors, all of them standing here paying tribute, not just to their queen, but to their boss, because at the end of the day almost all of the security services, so many of the public services, they answer directly through the line of command to the queen, not to the government. it is in the queen's name they serve and that's one of the things we're seeing today, katy. >> it's a sad day, a day of

duty. also a very hot day in london right now. so wearing those uniforms is especially difficult. william, we're looking at a shot live of the crowds who are starting to file through these cordoned off areas. they're making it into westminster hall. officials here say the line could reach ten miles long. a million people could show up. they just don't know what it's going to be like. and that london might very well be full, at capacity for the first time in its history. >> yes, i mean, the crowds are enormous. and they are stunning to see up close. and from the helicopter images, from the news media. they just go on and on and on, for miles. and this laying in state that the queen's coffin is doing in westminster hall will go on for four days. this is not a quick moment.

this will go on for several days. and we'll see what those lines are like in a couple of days. but they're massive now. they line all up and down the river and they come over the bridge. and people are waiting patiently. as your correspondent matt said earlier, a lot of people got there last night. they came in the rain, they camped out, and they're waiting to pay their respects. they're fascinated by the queen. >> it's also a massive security effort by british officials, by the met and other security agencies here. the number of dignitaries, foreign leaders, prime ministers, princes, presidents, that are going to be showing up alongside all of those members of the public, nothing like it before. >> no, it's like the most complicated red carpet, vanity fair, cannes film festival ceremony, ever. i don't know how they'll deal

with all the cars coming in. they suggest some world leaders will be arriving by bus. there are dozens and dozens of them coming, hundreds. and that will happen on monday. president biden is coming. the first lady is coming. but in previous years you would expect three or four more persist would come too, why not? but i don't think they'll be here, there might not be room for them. >> i asked a senior administration official at the white house whether president biden would extend an invitation to donald trump, there was chatter about that, because in the past the president would be able to come with a contingent of other leaders. but they said that the only invitations are going out through the united kingdom, so it's up to them whether anyone else would be invited. william and matt, thank you very much, appreciate it. that's going to do it for me this hour. i will be back here at 2:00 p.m. eastern, right here on msnbc.

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good day, everyone, this is "andrea mitchell reports" in washington. as the british people get a chance to pay their final respects to a beloved monarch, the queen's casket is on display for viewing. earlier the casket was gathered on a gun carriage previously used for the queen mother in 2002 and before that, the queen's father, king george vi in 1952, followed by her children, king charles iii, princess anne, andrew and edward, and both grandsons, prince william and harry. in washington today massachusetts senator elizabeth warren will be joining me on inflat