. good to be with you, i'm katy tur, september 6th, 19197, prince william was 15 years old, his brother harry was 12, and they were walking behind a coffin carrying their mom, princess diana, dead at 37 in a car crash. her coffin in royal standard slowly pulled by horse guards through the mall, the street swollen by mourners, a million of them. prince harry called that one mile walk one of the hardest thing he had ever done. today, he and his brother, now prince of wales, did it again, this time behind the coffin bearing their grandmother, queen elizabeth. their father charles now king, again, the streets were swollen with mourners, and the city

beated the drum, moving the stiffest of upper lips -- betting the drum, moving even the stiffest of upper lips. >> the coffin carrying to westminster, and the guards, they lifted it on a raised platform, in medieval timber and a few tennis balls from the days of hen i have viii and you can notice the sweat on their brows, the cof en is lined in lead. and they sing the queen to her rest, as king charles put it, quoting hamlet, these guards, these men must first lift a quarter ton with a crown on top. the queen lies in state for four days, her coffin will be watched over constantly until her

funeral at westminster abby on monday and the line to see her stretches two and a half miles. here is the map, the wait is up to 30 hours. joining me now is nbc news correspondent molly hunter. a wait of up to 30 hours is truly incredible. what are folks telling you about why they felt that they needed to be there, why they were willing to wait in a line like that? >> yes, not only willing to wait in line, katy, but camp out overnight. we were here yesterday evening, when people started lining up. it was pouring rain. people are not allowed to have tents or big camping equipment, and people waited overnight, to be kind of first in line. you can see, this is the line, we're standing right in the middle of it, we're across the river from westminster hall and i'm actually joined by anya, why are you willing to wait for this line? how long have you been waiting? how many hours? >> for about three or four

hours. i don't want you to miss your spot. >> three or four hours. >> and why did you feel it was important for to you come. >> it is great to see the nation come together, with all of the messages together, it is great to reminisce about the queen, and she embodies everything to be british, and it is great to come together and being here and we're going to go through an historical moment, and it is really enjoyable and it is a moment. we are mourning, but -- >> that's i've been trying to convey to the american audience, it is this somber moment, it is a moment of remembrance, you are having a good time, seeing friends in the cue, and you're celebrating a 96-year-old, and that's okay, you are having fun doing that too. >> yes, i mean -- >> long live the king. >> and it is to be reflected on, and now we can finally celebrate this time, and come together as a nation, which i mean, that there are so many who can do this, it is really lovely, it doesn't matter how long we will

be here. >> you'll wait. >> we'll wait. >> just for context, this line was stopped a couple of hours ago. >> yes. now we're moving. >> wristband. >> the way it works is everybody gets a wrist band and then they cross over to the other side of the river, and then heading into westminster hall. the last question for you and i'll let you catch up and i don't want you to miss your place in line. what do you think it will feel like when you walk in and you see her? >> that's a good question. i don't actually know. i will have to wait and see but it is going to be a somber moment, a celebratory moment, and i don't know until afterwards but we'll catch up. >> all right. >> bye. >> thanks. >> bye. >> i appreciate it. and you can see, katy, the line, thousands of people are streaming past me. as you mentioned, about two and a half miles long, there is an app, katy, that peek are checking and refreshing to see where they can get in line and how long it will take and it stretches two and a half miles behind me, there is tons of security, the bigger security

operation the met police has ever undertaken and at the moment as you just heard from anya, people are in good spirits and willing to wait. they say this is the least they can do for their queen of 70 years. >> well, at least if you're starting from burrow market, you can get some refreshments and nice coffee for the beginning of your journey. molly hunter, thank you very much. >> joining me now is a former royal editor for itv news, and suzanna linscomb, royal contributor. suzanna, i'm hoping, everything we saw today, all of the pomp, all of the circumstance, the marching, i'm wondering if you can tell us, are there any parallels is, there anything that you can compare this to? >> you have to go back quite a while, to get to the last state funeral, we had a funeral, of course, of the queen mother in 2002, the duke of edinburgh's funeral was during covid times and a completely scaled down

affair. this has more comparison to the jubilee celebrations that we've seen recently, and any recent period, of any recent state funeral and we have to go back to winston churchill in 1965. it is not something we've seen in recent times. we tend to have these ceremonies for happier occasions but i felt molly's conversation with the person in the cue gave a sense of the other side of it, there is a kind of a togetherness in people's mourning, where they want to pay their respects, and they are making friends, and that this somehow represents us, as a nation, in a positive way, as well as feeling that. >> obviously sad, and she lived a very long life, she had a 70-year reign, and it can be just as much a celebration, and it is an example of people coming together. tim, i mentioned some of the more interesting details, the fact that the coffin is lead-lined, it has to be carried uplifted, and we saw those eight men do it, just so remarkably,

and there's also the marching and the trumpets and the band, and this stuff has been practiced for days, they're up very early in the morning here, doing all of that. the horses even, i read in the times of london today, the horses were prepared, they were exposed to sobbing crowds and flowers being thrown at them, so they wouldn't get startled. perhaps this is clearly where we're working, but we have many more days of this. >> we've got a lot more days of this. and you're right, this is an operation that has been practiced over and over again, by the military, and the british pride themselves on being able to do this. i suppose they think more than anything else in the world, and it is a remarkable day, and one has so many sort of snapshots and things that you see and hear on a day like this, and a couple of things struck me, one was a young woman, who was actually in

that line that we've seen, on the side there of the thames, and she simply said, i don't know why, but i just feel like i knew her. and i think that kind of impacts you, and what so many people in this country feel at the moment. we just knew her. but think of these crowds of course, the thing about these crowds is they're a reminder of the queen's enormous personal popularity. whether or not that translates into devotion to the crown is a different matter and that's a challenge looking ahead. but the new king is going to have to face that. >> part of that challenge is the relationship between the brothers, and again, suzanna, we've started this program by talking about the mirror image of harry and william, 25 years ago, almost to the day, when they were walking behind diana's casket, i mean that image is seared in people's brains, as a young girl, young-ish, i was a

young girl when this happened, and i remember vividly, people around the world know this image, what did today, seeing the brothers walk behind the casket? i know we've seen them do that for their grandfather's funeral and that was much smaller and at windser. what did today mean for the british public? >> i think that you're absolutely right to point to this, because it must have been very difficult indeed for them to do this, to walk this familiar route, and to walk behind a woman who has been so important in their lives, a grandmother now, rather than mother, but someone who we've heard this week has been with them on their happiest days and their saddest days, and we know of their strength and affection for the late queen, we know this would have been hard, and actually, if you look at the footage of the ceremony that happened, the service that

happened at westminister hall, you can see the prince of wales blinking his eyes furiously, as if to hold back tears, the queen consort was certainly in tears, you know, this is a very difficult thing to do, in public, and to hold it together for that 38-minute march, i think it's immensely challenging, and it is very good to see them together, but these difficult circumstances are there for concern. >> these are difficult circumstances and this is part of their duty. the question is, whether this rift is going to be mended between the two brothers, we've been talking about it all week, and there is potentially this book coming out and what might that say, what is their relationship, the strength of their relationship, what dot the , what does the strength of their relationship mean for the monarchy and how does that help the monarchy, help the crown survive? >> well, it's quite important

for the family, because this has been very painful, extremely painful for the queen, and very painful for their father, and now, whether or not reconciliation is going to achieved this week, we kind of really don't know. they've been seen together in that walk about windsor, a few days ago, they're obviously together again today, and we will see them again together in public. but here's prince harry, who served in combat, in the british army, not being allowed to wear his military uniform, he can wear his medals but he can't wear his military uniform and i think that shows just how far he's gone from the royal family, and the book that you referred to, i think the publication is going to be delayed on that, maybe toward the beginning of next year, he's going to apparently include some reference to this part of his life, the death of his

grandmother, but will that book contain more claims about the royal family that are going to be called up, and whether that's a problem, and i think this is something the new king needs to address, apart from the public duties, he needs to reconcile this family. >> was it a amazing not to let him wear his military uniform? >> work was it a amazing not to let him wear his military uniform. >> he can't because he is not a working member of the royal family,'s not allowed to. prince andrew was not allowed to wear his uniform, either. . but there is a difference. he's going to be allowed to visit the lying in state in his uniform, which prince harry will not be able to do. and i think a lot of people in the british public will find that pretty hard to come to terms with, given the disgrace that prince andrew is in, and the fact that he will not be welcomed in the future at royal events so i think there will be a bit of sympathy for harry here

and he earned the right, in many cases, he has the medals, he won those medals in combat, and i think people will feel a little sad that he's not allowed, on this particular day, to wear the uniform that he had. >> tim and you zan that, thank you very much. and with queen elizabeth now lying in state at westminster hall, security as tight as it has ever been, as london prepares for princes, prime ministers, and presidents, including our own from around the world. not to mention perhaps a million mourners. we are in the middle of one of the biggest policing operations ever. hundreds of additional specialist officers will be brought in from outside of the city. and while some counter terror officers will be armed, the overwhelming majority of the dispatched force will be unarmed. as is custom here. and fittingly, for the home of george orwell, the u.k. will have lots and lots and lots of ctv, surveillance to us yanks.

joining us is nbc news u.k. security analyst duncan guardham. >> i will start off with the basic question, has there ever been anything like this in terms of the security standpoint? >> do they have a guide book? >> there is no guide book. there is a plan called operation london bridge that has been in place for more than 20 years for this event to take place. but there really isn't anything compared to having these hundreds of thousands of people in the center of london. the metropolitan police are well used to dealing with large crowds, they deal with the notting hill carnival, which has a half million people aday, they have dealt with the jubilee most recently and they have dealt with funerals over the years, but this will outscale them all. >> when you have foreign dignitaries come in, and i know there is talk about taking commercial flights and traveling on a shuttle bus, there are some leaders who will not be doing

that, and it is safe to say that i think our own leader in the united states will be traveling by air force one and taking the beast. how does that element add an extra layer to this, when you have so many foreign heads of state, there are movies made about circumstances like this, where everything goes to pieces. how do you prepare for that? >> it's, very, difficult. and the royal and diplomatic protection squad which is part of scotland yard is in charge of that operation. and again, they've been practicing that. routes in. routes out. who will be allowed to bring their convoy. who won't. and of course president biden is at the top of their security concerns. and he will be allowed to bring his own detail. but the other leaders will be asked to scale theirs down. on a sliding scale, with g-7 at the top and most protected. >> and i think americans will wonder about the fact that so many officers here are unarmed, and maybe will question, can it really be safe if they're not carrying weapons. >> yes, and that is a question. i mean there very much is a threat to this event. we know that only at christmas

an individual tried to get into windsor cassle with a cross-bow, trying to attack the queen. we know that back in 1981, an individual tried to shoot the queen, but was luckily using a starting pistol with blanks but it caused a huge -- >> that was right here on the mall and she was only a few yards away. >> she was. and the horse burma was an absolute star of the show, slightly jolted and she was riding side style and remained in place. and lucky, we're luck yil in the u.k. really, because people have much less access to guns and to weapons than they would in the u.s. >> talk to me about what we saw today, and the, i think it must be pretty scary, along with the fact that this is high stress and so full of sorrow, it is kind of scary if you're a public figure, walking exposed, in the

middle of the road like this, where there are a million, 700,000 people looking on. >> yes, it is quite, in many ways, it is quite a brave thing to do, isn't it, really, to kind of walk that close to people, knowing that the only people really guarding you are the unarmed police officers that are watching the crowd, and trying to spot something. and now they're trained to do that. they go through a training scheme to spot suspicious behavior or individuals who might be acting a bit oddly. but the ability to dive into the crowd is limit and they accept that. >> is there a watch list, where we better look at these people. 0 do they know who they're looking at? >> very much. mi-5 has a list of terrorist individuals who may be involved in attack planning and have a particular interest in the royal family and there have been individuals who tried to launch attacks just behind us here, in recent years. but they also have to look at what they call fixated

individuals, people that may not have a terrorist intent, but may have mental health concerns, and they may actually fixated on the royal family. but they also have a list of those, and they're working their way through as we speak. >> duncan, thank you so much for joining us. this is an extremely important subject. we will take a break here from london and go over to detroit, and we're going to see president biden who is speaking right now at the detroit auto show. emphasizing what he saids is an economic plan and how it will spark the electric vehicle boom in the united states. let us listen in. >> look, my friend ray is here. where are you, ray? >> there you are. as the saying goes, in claymont, the city i moved to in delaware when i was in third grade, the uaw brung me to the dance. and i got elected in 1972 as a

29-year-old kid to the united states senate, and it's because we used to have the highest percentage of auto workers of any state in the nation. higher than here. because we had such a small population. and we had about, there's 14% of our entire population was auto workers. we had the largest chrysler plant outside of detroit. and we had the largest gm plant. and we had an awful lot of carriers as well. so anyway, i want to thank you all. and i also want to thank the ceos of all of the major auto companies who are here today, for leading the way. they've stepped up. you know, you all know, i'm a car guy. i'm here because the auto show and the vehicles that have given me so many reasons to be optimistic about the future. i really mean it. just looking at them, and driving them, they just give me a sense of optimism. although i like the speed, too. and for most of the last century, we led the world and by

a significant margin and because we invested in our people, we invested in ourselves, and something went wrong along the way here. something went wrong. we risked losing the edge as a nation, and china and the rest of the world are catching up. we used to invest almost 2% of our entire gdp in research and development. and now it is 0.7%. and the rest of the world is catching. but not anymore. now we're choosing to build a better america. an america that has dealt with the climate crisis and america's workers leading the way and rebuilding the economy, a clean energy economy and doing it from the bottom up and the middle out. i'm so tired of trickle down, i can't stand it. by the way, remember, when the middle class grows, the middle class grows, everybody grows. on the way up and the wealthy do

well and middle class build america and unions built the middle class. that's a fact. and nowhere is that more evident than right here in michigan. we're building a future of the electric vehicle. we're bringing back u.s. manufacturing jobs. 680,000 jobs since i took office. good-paying jobs. union jobs. middle class jobs. jobs that give you a sense of dignity and a fair shot. my dad used to say i want a little bit of breathing room. just a little bit of breathing room and be treated with dignity. i used to be be, it used to be that buying an electric car, you had to make compromises but not now, thanks to american ingenuity and american engineers, american auto workers, it's all changing. today, if you want an electric vehicle, with a long range, you can buy one made in america. chaupz chaupz. >> in america. chaupz chaupz. >>

. >> if you want one that moves fast in a quarter of a mile, buy american. so by the way, while we're here in detroit, building in america, we're making it easier for folks at home to buy here in america. companies have announced new investments, of more than $36 billion, in electric vehicles and $48 billion in battery manufacturing. here in the u.s., we're just getting started. i signed into law the inflation reduction act, and it gives tax credits to new electric vehicles. fuel cell vehicles. made in america. for the first time, you get a tax credit, you buy used electric vehicles. that's all coming. and part of the law, we're investing $7.5 billion to build electric vehicle charging stations all across america. so today, i'm pleased to announce we're approving funding for the first 35 states including michigan to build their own electric charging

infrastructure throughout their state. [ cheers and applause ] >> and you all are going to be a part, part of a network of 500,000 charging stations. 500,000. thought the country. installed by the ibew. [ cheers and applause ] >> a special thanks, who i owe a special thanks to for the last election. look, folks, the great american road trip will be fully lech tried, coast to coast, along i-10 or on i-75 here in michigan, charging stations will be up and easy to find as gas stations are now and if we invest $7 billion, to make american car companies, and have the batteries and ear critical materials they need. the auto companies like ford, gm, stelanus, i still say

chrysler, my dad worked for them for a while, they are all partners here and they are making a equipment and we are investing billions of dollars in cells to go electric, and we're lucky to have the most skilled auto workers in the world, and that's not hyperbole. the single most skilled auto workers in america are right here today. the uaw. i'm not joking. you know what i tell people -- [ cheers and applause ] >> you know what i tell people, and i'm not joking, when i speak to the chamber of commerce and the business round tables and other major business organizations, why am i so pro union, they don't give you the credit, the american people don't understand, for to you get to be, to go through the apprentice program in other trades, you got four or five years like going to college, you're getting paid a little bit, not a lot but you're working like held before you get certified and it's cheaper long-term to hire you, because

you do it the best, and last the longest, and in fact, you do it with everybody. so i really mean it. [ cheers and applause ] >> and by the way, we don't tell people that. people don't know that. the neighborhoods i come from, they know that. but they don't flow that. it's not that they're mean about it, they just don't understand. one day you show up and you got a trade, man, you're all set but you work like the devil to get there and your work product shows it. i recently signed a chips act, chips and science act, investing billions of dollars in research and development, work force training, manufacturing incentives, to bring semiconductor manufacturing back to america. we invented that little computer chip. we invented it here in the united states of america. >> you heard president biden just there, making a little bit of news from the detroit auto show, talking about investing in

500,000 electric vehicle charging stations across the country. our reporting says that we will spend $900 million. joining me now from detroit is nbc news accord jacob wood. is this part of the reason a lot of folks don't get electric cars, jacob, is they're not so easily charge and certainly what they have to figure out is how they will do it in cities like in brooklyn where you can't run a charger from out of your door, up to your apartment. >> that's right, i'm not sure how they're going to get your particular car charged but certainly, what we're seeing, as president biden continues to speak a few hundred yards from where i'm standing, the history of the automotive industry changing, as the world changes around. it once upon a time, this is the kind of thing that everyone was here to see, right, a chrome and steel v-8, the explosive style gasoline and the explosive might of the auto industry and now, we have an entirely new kind of

vehicle, you have here, the cadillac lyric, the president drove this one not an hour ago and it is this kind of car that you would have originally thought of that something that you throw that pedal down and it explodes, right, with noise, and sound, and also of course with smell. and all of that is changing now, and all across this enormous place, you can just see the evidence of how the industry is changing. you have hummers that are all electric. you have utility vehicles that are all electric, you have, you know, full-on delivery vans, all of that changes, and the problem of course, as you mentioned, katy is charging these things and that's why the president is here, to talk about releasing $900 million of what is eventually going to be billions of dollars in his plan to get as many charging stations across the country as possible, because right now, even if we bought all of these vehicles electric, and the thing to note is that americans really only buy a new car every 12 years, but even if we did all of that, right now the reporting is that we would need 20 times as many chargers

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house speaker nancy pelosi is out with a bold prediction today, that democrats are going to pick up seats in the house, yes, pick up seats, not just hold on to the razor thin majority. pelosi insists it is not just talk. she explained to punchbowl that she is betting issues like abortion rights are driving democratic voters to the polls, and as she underscores her points, here is lindsey graham yesterday, introducing his proposal for a nationwide ban on abortion. >> i think we should have a law at the federal level that would say after 15 weeks, no abortion on demand, except in the cases of rape, incest, to save the life of the mother, and that should be where america's at. >> it is a statement so polarizing that even his fellow republicans are keeping their distance. joining me now from capitol hill

is nbc's ali vitali, also punchbowl news co-founder, john breznahan. and i want to go to you and what we're reporting on with nancy pelosi, why is she so confident and is her confidence misplaced based on what we're seeing in the polling? >> nancy pelosi, part of the job of being speaker, and a leader in congress, is more, you know, a cheerleader for your own caucus, so i mean i do think that she, i mean i think pelosi believes that they have a good chance of keeping the house or at least keeping their losses down to a manageable size. there's clearly been a shift since the summer with abortion as being the biggest issue. but they've also had some legislative victories, i do think, i mean pelosi has been saying this now for a little while, and we just wanted to make sure we caught up with her, and you know, do you reeve believe this, and i think -- do you really believe, this and she

believes it, she is saying the haus majority leader is saying particular the house majority whip jim clyburn is saying it, they're really saying there is a path for them to take, that they can keep the house. will it happen? i'm not sure it's going to. but she's out there really pushing this, and i think trying to keep the pressure on her own members, on donors, on everybody to be like, they have a shot, and there's a way to do this, can they get it done? >> it is a bit of a heady moment, when you look at the newspapers, a lot of the pollsters are saying hey, wait a minute, we're not so sure that the polling is correct on, this could we have been wrong, this is going to be a weird election, making all sorts of warnings, and couching a lot of the numbers. what about, john, what lindsey graham has said about abortion? does that help the democrats? >> well, i think it does. i mean for graham, part of it was his own personal politic,

south carolina legislature had a big debate on abortion, on an abortion bill, and it didn't pass, and i think part of what graham was trying to do was, you know, relate to what his politics are back home. but this part, the senate republican leadership, this caught them flatfooted that he was going to do this and mitch mcconnell, the senate minority leader, and senate minority while john thune both said to us yesterday that they thought this issue should be up to the states, there shouldn't be a federal abortion ban. now, i think this was, you know, this is exactly what democrats have been saying. this is where if the republicans are in charge, they're going to do this, and i think that, you know, i think there's no question about it, if the republicans have the house and senate, they will vote on this. they will push it, you know, kevin mccarthy, who would be the speaker, if republicans have the house, we be under pressure to bring this up, mcconnell would be under pressure to bring it up in the senate, i think there is

no question they'd bring it up. can they pass it? probably not. but i do think there is no question, if republicans have the congress, they will bring this up, and i do think this is the way that, the timing for what graham does to get here, it is an absolute gift to the democrats. >> why don't they just own it? this they're going to do it, saying yes, this is what i'm going to do, and rally those single issue voters on abortion, like they've done so many times in the past talking about getting the supreme court to a place where they will repeal roe v. wade. >> most of those voters are already voting conservative. what we've seen is an issue, and this is what we've talked about before, the idea that a post-roe environment is something that has been widely talked about but never actually test and that's the thing that democrats are banking on right now. they see things like polling on the generic ballot between democrats and republicans starting to level out in a cycle that was supposed to be much

more favorable to republicans, it's telling a story that this is a galvanizing issue, and its it's something that comes up in poll after poll after poll. it is also why republicans are not too keen to talk about what senator lindsey graham is putting forward here and i have asked several republicans to talk with me about it on camera and many of them have said something to the effect that they're not seeing it and they're running to a meeting and not interested in engaging and others are saying it should be decided on the state level and trying to push it out of congress as far as they can and when you hear about nancy pelosi talking about it, as well as other democrats, you can start to see why, and it is because democrats really do feel like they have been given a gift here on the contrast front, for example, here's what the speaker told me just a few hours ago. >> you have to ask the republicans as to why they would pour cold water on it but as you know, they're digging a hole and keep digging it. but i think what you're seeing there is a conflict within the republican party. there are those in the party

that begin the night before. >> and what is clear, as republicans have tried to paint democrats as extreme on this, democrats have been much more successful in painting the other side as extreme in their abortion stances and things like what senator lindsey graham did yesterday only serve to bolster that, the thing among the democrats and republicans that i talked to today. >> ali vitali, thank you. and the fbi is seizing more cell phones from trump allies. yesterday, it was one of trump's attorneys, and his campaign strategist, today, it is the "my pillow guy," my pillow ceo mike lindell says the fbi took his mobile at a hardee's drive through in minnesota, in connection with the tampering investigation. according to lindle's agencies, they questioned him about dominion voting machines used in the colorado election and the

colorado clerk charge with tampering and the fbi says it was at that party's location but did not confirm anything else. though that it is doubtful that the agents were just getting milk shakes. >> mike lindle is a huge promoter of former president trump's election lies. i'm speeng a bit cheeky vaughn, about getting milk shake, the fbi, i think it is safe to assume that they're not and what is mike lindell saying and why might they be interested in his cell phone? >> i think we're talking about parallel investigations here, right? we're talking about not only the documents seized from mar-a-lago as well as efforts to everturn the 200 election around the vanes of january 6th but a parallel investigation that is happening here and it is continuing on, and it is dating back to a year ago, when tina pierce, she is the mesa county clerk who oversees the

elections, a county on the way western border of colorado. she was ultimately indicted this spring along with her duty for allowing someone to come in allegedly hack into the dominion voting machines and copy the material and as well as the passwords and that information wound up on the far right wing pundits, where they talked about that sensitive voting machine. what mike lindell was referring to here, he was told by fbi agents that they were seizing his cell phone in conjunction apparently with that investigation. and the question is, is it an extension of that federal investigation, does it somehow potentially implicate mike lindell himself? mike lindell, yes, he's the my pillow guy, right? but at the same time, he's not a side show here, he is very much a part of the show when it comes to donald trump. i've been at most of his rallies

over the course of the year, mike lindell is almost every single rally consistently a free speaker and during the events leading up to donald trump's speeches and he is for all intents and purposes the celebrity at these events outside of donald trump. he makes frequent appearances not only on lindell tv, his own little right wing outlet and other right wing outlets, brightside broadcasts news and a feature of where donald trump and the republican party is today and we're talking about thousands, potentially millions of loyalists that see this guy as somebody who continues to propagate the 2020 election conspiracy theories and he is continually suggesting that donald trump could be reinstated over the course of 2022, 2023, and so this investigation clearly is extending and continues in parallel to these other investigations that the fbi and the d.o.j. has been so heavily focused on. >> you're right not to call him the sides show and even though he is the my pillow guy and even

though what he is claiming seems so absurd on the face of it because it is not true and he continues to do so, it can feel like a side show, but he is very much main extreme with donald trump and his own space and continues to push the controversies, i'm sorry these conspiracies as you're saying. it is in conjunction, you mentioned this, too, with the seizing of phones from a couple of other trump allies, boris epstein. can you give us who he is in this orbit and whether it is tied together? >> boris epstein has been there as an ally of donald trump since the 2015-2016 campaign. we covered that before, and he has been an individual who has continually remained win the trump orbit. there is only a handful of folks that dating back after the 2020 election, really stayed tightly close to donald trump, boris epstein is one of those individuals, and that is where you have seen this latest bunch of subpoenas focus in on these individuals who remain with donald trump and in the weeks after the 2020 election and the

year and a half since. a great number of those folks who still work with the save america pac. this is still very much of a strong political organization that has more than $100 million in the bank. there have been republicans who have called on donald trump to send some of that super-pac money to other senate candidates, house candidates running in the 2022 elections here but you're seeing him continuing to focus heavily on his own political operation and these individuals who have been subpoenaed or in the case of boris epstein have their phone seized, these are individuals who very much showed an interest in continuing to use donald trump as a source of not only present power but also interest in future political power. >> vaughn hilliard, thank you very much. and jackson mississippi still does not have clean water. it has been 47 days, and state officials say the city will have to keep boiling water until further notice. the epa inspector general is there now, investigating both the water crisis and the city

itself. an agency spokesperson tells nbc news, the inquiry will look a lot like in flynn, michigan, which led to nine indictments. for some residents who have water, this is what it looks like. it's brown. it looks a bit sludgy. even though it is still pretty loose. this video was taken shortly after city officials say they restored water pressure and that clean water was on the way. joining me now is ridgeland mississippi, a water purifying station behind you, that water coming you out of the tap, it is atrocious, it is apauling in 2022. >> it absolutely is. just this morning, we heard from the city's mayor and city officials, and they say they're still receiving isolated reports of discolored water or faulty water pressure. that said, it is leaving residents and many historians upset and here's what some of them had to say. >> you got a choice between

water, gas, food, what? it would be someone to notice, to know somebody has gotten sick from drinking that water. >> the thing about the water system in the city of jackson is that our system of pipes below the city are over 100 years old. most of them are lead. the entire system needs to be replaced. >> so katy, that boil water advisory is still in effect. the mayor says it requires two consecutive days of clean water sampling before it ends, and part of the frustration is the fact that back in 2020, this very plant was investigated or probed by the epa and they found that the system was inoperable and it had inadequate staffing. now two years later, clearly there is not a lot of progress

but residents now a bit more hopeful, because the inspector general is involved, and viewers will remember, that same position is the one that investigated the flint water crisis that resulted in nine indictments. so there is some hope that change may come. but really, it can't come soon enough. as many are just waiting for safe clean drinking water. >> i can feel for that woman who was clearly very frustrated, we have so much money that goes to so many places, we send money to ukraine, we have tons of money for the pentagon, we're talking about billions of dollars, flying out the door, i bet the residents of jackson, mississippi, would say, hey, listen, we're in a crisis right here, where's the money for us? >> absolutely. that's what a lot of them are saying. where's the money? where are the resources debra, that woman you herald from is a lifelong resident and she said this is something she has repeatedly face and that is the sentiment i continued to hear today, and the days i've been in

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as a photographer, you get a rare look inside the lives of your subjects and as a photographer for the royals you get a rare look and it comes with a lot of flourish. chris jackson has us taking pictures of the queen for two decades, and he has traveled to

more than 100 countries with members of the royal family and has created one of the most intimate and elegant collection of images ever captured of the monarchy. joining me is the royal photographer chris jackson, the author of modern monarchy, the british royal family today, i was just looking at that photo, prince philip and michelle obama. and also the queen, and president barack obama, and just the interaction between michelle obama and prince philip i found so fascinating and i kept looking at it closer and wondered what they might have been talking about. >> that's a good question. i wondered the same thing. they were standing and enjoying each other's company, and capturing those images, that's my job with the royal family, i'm not having control of the situation quite a lot of the time, and i enjoy trying to capture it, trying to be ready to capture those moments.

>> from your watching, are there some politicians, some state heads, dignitaries, that they clearly enjoy being with more than others? >> yeah, i think yes, everything is different for everyone, and there are a vat amount of people around and i think what i love mostly is the public, all around the world, they travel around the world and going to as many different countries as the royal family, they are moving around and huge crowds of people, just trying to meet the royals and it is a name really, capturing and you don't know what to expect next and everybody does it in a slightly different way, and when i started working, everyone is different, and that's what makes it quite refreshing. >> and everyone might say, after all of this time, photographing the same few people, would it get dull? or gosh i've seen this face enough, i can move it on to something else. >> i have looked at different characters and the queen is absolutely incredible, and

smiling there, it has been a huge honor to photograph her, and it is quite unique, and of course in the last year or so, we have seen her a lot less often, but every occasion was hugely, hugely excited as an opportunity and the prince of wales, king charles, and seeing him, he's great to photograph as well. and an amazing energy for everything that he does, up to eight engagements a day, doesn't have lunch when he is on royal duty and it is that sense of duty that he has taken from the queen and will take forward as the king. >> what is your favorite photograph of the queen? >> it is hard to choose. how about the horse, where the horse crossed the finish line and everybody knows how much horse racing means to the queen and to see her win, capturing the trophy one of my favorite moments. >> this one, with her image in the reflection? >> it is actually, i think it was a couple of years before, where she won and this was a year afterwards, but always

saying another fond one i have, is working on the official portrait, on the iconic red box earlier this year, i think it sums up the dedication to duty and the fact that she was working, and another favorite, captain tom, knighting captain tom, at windsor castle, and an amazing figure, who really captured the public's imagination in the u.k., and you have them coming together and that represents hope and that kind of difficult period. >> what was it like over the two decades, and watching them change, but also the world change? >> yes, i think with the royal family, you're documenting history and things unfolding in front of you and there are changes, and of course, we've seen some of these famous photographs, with a constantly-evolving story and that's one of the many special things and looking at the amazing pictures of the queen that we've seen in the last couple of days, from some amazing photographers, it shows

that the images that you're taking today, stand the test of time and you might look it in ten years time or maybe 100 years time. >> you only have a couple of sections left, but ho you are doing right now? >> a surreal few days. to say i'm working and it will be for the next few days and it is important to document these moments, as they form part of the fabric of british history. >> incredible pictures today alone. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> thank you for being here with us and the pictures are just truly remarkable. >> that's going to do it for me today. alex witt picks up our coverage next. witt picks up our c overag next try nervivenerve relief from the world's #1 selling nerve care company. nervive contains alpha lipoic acid to relieve occasional nerve aches, weakness and discomfort. try nervivenerve relief. ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪ ♪♪

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westminster hall of london. a glimpse of history, queen elizabeth now lying in state. members of the public paying their respects. mournfully filing past her coffin bidding farewell to britain's longest reigning monarch. >> on this map, the public viewing stretches more than two miles. mourners may have to stand in line for 24 hours just for a brief moment to view the coffin. hundreds of thousands of mourners, maybe a mill of them are expected to pass before her funeral on monday. the coffin moved to westminster hall earlier today, from buckingham palace, in a somber ceremonial procession. king charles his three