in a republican state who is doing well or a republican governor in a democratic state who is doing well, and think those people have crossed appeal. but our politics has gone to the point where people don't want to appeal to the middle anymore. there is no incentive to do that. >> the incentive comes with winning or losing and i agree with you that in the end that's what we'll went over the cycles. we'll see more to share. and that is all in. alex wagner starts right now good evening. alex good evening chris. why win a general election when you can just be a bonkers candidate carrying a shield with fake arrows sticking out of it as donald bolduc did in his victory speech last night? >> there is that but also a lot of the races are coin flips so

you know who knows a break falls you're way and you u.s. centered never had to cross over. >> don bolduc and is only running for points behind maga hasten, so maybe carrying a fake shield from the 300 movies with fake arrows sticking out of it is good politics? who knows? it's a mad mad world. thank you chris, great show. >> you bet. >> thank you all for joining us this hour. consider what happened over the space of just three days in january of last year. three events on three consecutive days that continue to shape our politics right up to this very moment. on january 5th of last year in georgia, john ossoff and raphael warnock won their runoff elections to the united states senate which handed the control of the chamber to the democrats. the next day, january six, we all know what happened that day. and then the day after that, on january 7th back in georgia. election systems in rural

coffee county were breached by a team working on donald trump's behalf. this is them being led into the county elections office by trump supporting local official. the tree was set there to search for evidence of election fraud in the later claimed to have made copies of every voting machine are driving every ballot. you've got to admit it is a pretty brazen move to go preaching election machines in support of donald trump's election lies, literally the day after those election lies had breached an assault on the capitol. there they are. obviously, we talk a lot about january 6th. but it is worth taking a moment to consider january 5th and january 7th as well. and it is no accident that both of those events a book and january six are the consequential election for democrats, in this possible criminal election spree for donald trump's lies. that both of those events happened in the state of georgia. because this these days georgia

is the center of the political universe and a lot of ways and a microcosm in a lot of things that is happening in american politics. take that election data breach in coffee county. that incident is now part of the sprawling investigation being conducted by georges fulton county district attorney into the election interference by trump and his allies. and among all the investigations being currently conducted into donald trump, many legal advisers think the georgia investigation may constitute's biggest legal threat. after all the coffee county election data breach kept a month long pushed by trump's allies to overturn the election, which included the infamous call to georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger. where trump spent berating brad raffensperger to find enough votes to overturn the election. he tried to overturn the results in lots of states, but no place got the attention at the pressure that george it did. so when we think about the universe of the investigations

of the former press president, and what effect those investigations might have in the country's political future, georgia is right at the center of all that. georgia is also at the center of the new wave of voter suppression voter legislation, that has passed since the 2020 election. george was the first day to an act sweeping new restrictions in the wake of donald trump's loss. just in case the subjects was lost on anyone, republican governor brian kemp signed a law surrounded by a bunch of white guys in front of a painting of a plantation. the upcoming midterms of the first elections in which georgia voters are contending with those new burdensome rules. and in those midterms allies around georgia because it could determine which party controls the senate again. raphael warnock is defending his senate seat against republican herschel walker. democrats have been buoyed by the fact that revel reverend warnock is such a great

candidate and herschel walker is such a what is the diplomatic way to say it, such as disaster. a new poll shows that warnock leading his republican challenger by six points among likely voters, which is a close vote race but a decent margin for a democrat in a state that until recently was pretty reliably red. but that same poll shows a tighter race for georgia governor. sitting republican governor brian kemp is at 50% while democrat stacey abrams is at 48%. the difference is within the surveys margin of or error and the pollsters described this race is too close to call. meanwhile, a separate poll out today shows stacey abrams ahead by one point, and that one is from a republican pollster. if so this is clearly a super close race. it might also be the race that's also a bellwether for american politics, more of a reflection of where the country is at, than just about any other race in the country. and for one thing, this is a

rematch. stacey abrams came within a harris breadth of defeating brian kemp for the governorship and he four years ago. kemp was the states top local elections official at the time, and evidence that her loss was made possible by voter suppression tactics in that state. but since then, the peach state as voted for a democrat for president, and elected to democratic state senators. was that a blip, or is georgia realign itself politically in a more deep-seated way? if it is real lining itself, that is in no cinnabar small part to stacey abrams herself, who created the blueprint for turning georgia blue, with her groundbreaking outreach and voter registration too often overlooked communities. a lot of the democratic parties hopes and dreams for forging a long term winning coalition of voters are bound up in whether stacey abrams can win this race, and proof that her blueprint really works. this afternoon, i sat down with abrams to discuss the campaign

and voting rights, abortion a lot more. take a look. it's great to see you as always. i just want to start with the big picture as we sort of frame up what is happening in this country. georgia is so central to the american political landscape right now. so much has be fallen alive that state by with covid, voter suppression efforts, the dobbs decision. you are out there campaigning with the very important part of the american electorate. what is a feel like on the ground? >> people are anxious but they are also have a sense of urgency that things have to change. they survived covid, they survived racial violence, they survived economic downturn they were expecting. they have also had to grapple with government that doesn't seem to see them or care about their future and when we are out on the ground either and atlanta or southwest georgia or northeast georgia, i hear the same conversations. how do you get us back to

safety? how do you ensure justice? how do we have economic opportunity that is real? and that is the unifying thing, but it's also the mission statement. that's why one georgia is what we are working on. people want more, they just need to believe that they can have more and deserve more. >> the polls have you tightening. the polls are tightening in the have you getting closer to your opponent brian kemp. there have been some analysis all call it about the strategy you are pursuing which in some ways gets to this age-old conundrum for the democrats and even republicans to try to peel off voters from the center already try to energize the base. a lot of the writing as compared your campaign to that of senator warnock. senator warnock seems to be approaching moderates trying, to peel off some moderate republicans and they say your campaign is focused more on turning out a new selection of voters, energizing the democratic voters of georgia that in many ways we shape the politics in the state. can you talk to me about that?

is that a fair assessment? how do you see the turnout operation in georgia? >> one of the pieces of my approach to politics that seems to confound people is that i treat all voters as -- folders. i don't take for granted that anyone shares my values will choose to vote. so where the typical political dynamic says that persuading people that don't share your political ideology all the time to come with you for once, my approach is to say, how do we share our values and how do we persuade people either to share those values or to participate in the election? because those are both very important binary choices, and we choose to overlook the vast community of people who choose not to vote because they don't feel themselves in the conversation that gets relegated to the sort of, all that's base voting. it's not base voting if you don't participate in the elections. you're not a base voter unless you actually vote. we see those communities as

persuasion votes as important as moderate republicans, as important as independents. we go after all of them. when i talk about medicaid expansion in georgia, access to health care is not going to be determined based on your partisanship. it's going to be determined based on your income and in georgia if you make less than $9 an hour, the current governor denies you access to health care. i will give that to you, using your own money, the money that georgians have already paid into the system. and so i don't see the tension for the conflict with the approach that brian senator warnock takes because we're both trying to get every four we can. i'm in a different posture, we're talking about state issues that has a first day that is very different dynamics depending on where you live. my responsibility at the state level is to be as granular as possible with policy messages. senator warnock asked to talk about what he can deliver as a u.s. senator. he's done an extraordinary job, but it is easy punditry to put

a person in a conflict when there is no conflict. both of us want every voter we can, and we want every voter to see themselves in this race as a part of how we make this decision. >> particularly in the state of georgia when you talk about getting voters who don't traditionally go to the voters. we're talking about young voters, voters of color. you talk about and franchising these voters in a way. how do you do that in this political landscape when so much seems so irreparably broken? just about the action of voting itself which in georgia is under threat? >> georgia unfortunately remains crowd zero for voter suppression. despite the misinformation and outright disinformation delivered, often by our top tier leaders of the governor and secretary of state, the laws that they passed in 2020 21 were not response to any issues of voter security. it was entirely driven as the governor said by his frustration with the results. the wrong people voted in his

estimation as tim is a estimation. our job is to let those people know, you are right, you are right to show up, you should show up again. you do not say wrong people, i am paraphrasing his behavior or his language, but he did say he was frustrated by the results. and if you get to those results, it was largely young, people people, of color, rural voters would not participated. those are the founders were trying to galvanize, but we also have to guide them through the new mine falls of voter suppression. the fact that under this governor they've outsourced voter challenges. what he does as governor purging more than 4 million people. now you have unlimited challenges. any person can come and challenge thousands of voters. we know of at least 26,000 challenges have been educate again and another 37,000 that are pending in one win at county alone. that is deeply problematic. we know for senior citizens who for more than a decade knew that their absentee ballot was going to arrive like clockwork, it is not shown up, because they change the voting laws.

if you didn't vote in the primary laws, not gonna get the ballot unless you apply for. and it is not an easy to use application. we know the same is the same for the disabled community community. we know that young people are facing a harder time, so we are doing our best to the network of organizations that are false or focusing on voter engagement, to navigate the minefield. >> are you worried about the integrity of the midterm election in georgia? >> i'm worried about the right to access to vote in georgia, because we know there are roadblocks that were put in place intentionally designed to block access. we know that the state as underfunded once again our local elections officials. it is made illegal for them to seek outside funding to make up the difference. we know these challenges are coming to not come with additional money, it is an unfunded mandate. so every single block that is being put up, our responsibility is to have knowledge it, to galvanize around it and to roadmap our way through it, and that's what we can do. >> when you think about the fact that you are within, you

have a very strong shot of becoming the governor of the state of georgia, the top of the state house, running the state. and georgia specifically in this moment in time, one of the reasons i think we're also transfixed by georgia so that special election happen a. movement forward to more inclusive motivational place in society or very violent pullback. when you think about the stakes, when you think about what you represent in this bid for the governorship, what is the last thing we should take away from what is happening in georgia right now? >> that georgia is a microcosm of what is playing out across the country. that what happened in kansas is not an anomaly, that what happened in alaska is not an aberration, but what can happen both in georgia on january 5th and on d.c. on january six are also very much part of our current politics.

the polarization that has happened is real and tenable, but it is not inevitable. and part of my responsibility as campaigning is what does it look like to have a leader who actually believes and all of us to actually access the opportunity i was in north georgia which is largely wrong and one of the reporters this is a place it's very red my responsibilities to meet people where they are. my plan is a five billion surplus. i'm not saying use it only for this community or only to satisfy this political and. i'm saying let's invest in education because that left all of our children. let's invest in higher education so young people have a pathway forward. let's invest in our small businesses because they are 99% of businesses and 43% of the jobs a very small fraction of the investment that we make. let's invest in medicaid expansion to save hospitals,

save lives, create jobs. for me, the conversation has to be a broader way, because the way we get to that very dynamic that we saw between the fifth and the sixth is by ignoring the reality of both, but ignoring more importantly the what we have accomplished in georgia on january 5th, by electing those two senators by telling people electing people they would never be able to get to the senate. their voices can have volume and effect. my campaign, my mission is to make certain that those voices co-get heard every two or four years and dissipate, but there's a constancy of volume, constancy of engagements. and for someone who's lived many the lives and trying to help folks love the, i want people to know that i'm gonna be with him every step of the way. and we can do without raising taxes. taxes. stacey abrams, candidate for

the governor of georgia, the peach state. thank you for everything. >> just ahead, in one final part of that interview with stacey abrams, we discussed how her personal stance on abortion rights has evolved over her career, and how she hopes others making that same journey will make their voices heard in november. and, the january 6th committee gets its hands on thousands, thousands of new texts from six secret service agents, including ones on that fateful day. day.

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democratic candidate for governor, with stacey abrams, about how georgia voters can be motivated but attempts to limit their voting rights. we also spoke about how this could be the same for the overturning of roe v. wade. as part of that discussion, abrams talked about her how her own thing is developed overtime on the issue of reproductive choice. >> well certainly telling people they can't vote is one way to galvanize them, the others to hand down a supreme court decision that seems wholly at odds with where the public is that at. i'm talking of course about the dobbs decision. --

merrill has information out today, more than 60% of mail-in ballots requests are from women. requests from black women, roughly equal the requests of white men, which is not typically how it goes in the midterm election. let's talk about abortion for a bit, there was actually really interesting new york times profile about you, on the subject of abortion. you did not start out your life as a pro-choice person, if you will, i'm not telling you something you don't know, you know this, but for those who don't. i think evolution is really unique in the democratic party at the state. i want you to explain how you came to the position the now hold, which is a proponent of choice. >> i grew up in the deep, south the mississippi, my parents became ministers was when i wasn't shine a high school, but i come from a very religious family. there is never understandable conversation about where we should stand, but it is endemic to the communities i was a part, of that abortion was wrong, it

was when i went to college they start meeting people that had the same fate, tradition that i had a different perspective, they started challenging my own beliefs. it didn't happen overnight, but help me reconsider conversations i had as a, teenager with a friend who is grappling with the desire need to have an abortion. she came to me seeking guidance, and i didn't really understand what she needed for me and in retrospect i'm deeply saddened that i wasn't there for her but what i know and what i learned over time is that even if my personal belief system said but i would not make that choice my responsibility both as a citizen when i'm voting, and as a legislator when making decisions, is that that choice belongs to a woman, it's a medical decision. it's the only medical decision that politics has decided that it should interfere with, and that to me is untenable. so when i was getting ready to stand for office, i'd already shifted to being pro-choice, but i made myself write an essay to myself about my posture, because i'm deeply nerdy in that way.

>> you are tenure, self this person is pro-choice, a saint wasn't just about abortion it is about how would you make a decision you're running for office and you get these different applications and endorsement requests and before i filled them out i said let's think through where we stand on issues. abortion was top of mind for me. when i got to the end my essay to myself, i was very strongly pro-choice. it is wrong for the state to impose its political values on a woman's reproductive choice. >> it seems really critically important that you are having that conversation with yourself but also with voters, right? when you talk about rural voters, voters of color. looking at abortion is black and white issue, that doesn't involve any evolution, as people have, i think can be alienated to some voters. do you see that when you're on the trail? do you feel like telling your own story is useful when you're talking to voters who are, themselves, coming --

having an evolution on abortion. >> absolutely. so long it's treated as binary, you're the right or wrong. what i understand what to tell people as you can have your personal beliefs, but you can still vote for people who can create opportunities for others to have their beliefs. that the notion of freedom and liberty, a civil liberty is about the state not interfering with that decision and i think because of my background and my empathy for those who are making that journey right now i want them to know that i'm not castigating them for where they are, i'm here to say it's okay for you to have these conversations. it's okay to have these questions. it's okay to vote in a way that says that you may not have settled where you are, but you know it's wrong to tell others that where they are is not appropriate. >> with primary season now complete, democrats are trying to figure out what will inspire all eligible voters tend to the polls this november. john, favor former speech writer for president obama joins me to discuss what he has

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that we can conclusively determine who won the 2020 presidential election. >> i am the only candidate in this race to say that joe biden legitimately did not win 81

million votes in the 2020 election. >> that was caroline love it, last night she won the republican primary for new hampshire's first congressional district. at 25 years old, she's only the second member of gen z to win a house primary. and she is the first republican member of that generation to do so. in addition to believing that the 2020 election was stolen, she wants stricter abortion laws, she wants to privatized social security, she wants to kill obamacare, and she believes that, quote, climate change is a manufactured crisis by the democrat party, to frighten the american people into socialism. caroline levitz race in november is considered a toss-up, so she very well may be heading to washington come december. and it -- general don bulldog came out ahead. not only this general bulldogs in the 2020 election was stolen, not only has he expressed

support for the january 6th rioters, but when he was asked late last year he as a general thinks there is any role for the military to play, if another election is stolen, general bullet replied, i think there's always a role for the military to play, if there is a threat to the existence of our government in our constitution, and those that we take. absolutely. general bullet will run against many hassan for that seat, she won her last election by only about 1000 votes. so even though the most recent polls had or most around four points ahead of the general, that race might be a little bit too close for comfort. we can spend all night reading the tea leaves about what those primaries mean for november, and for the state of the country, but here's the thing, a total of 92,000 people voted in last night's democratic senate primary new hampshire. maggie hassan was a shoe in, so to some degree that makes sense. but in the heated republican primary, when you had a fringe candidate like bullet running against the --

a guy named chuck morris, even in a hotly contested matchup like that. only 140,000 people voted. new hampshire is a small state, but still, when you compare those numbers to what we should expect in the general election, it paints a clear picture picture. in 20 28,000 people voted in the general election. in the last midterm back in 2018, nearly 600,000 people did. so as much as we can analyze those 230,000 people who collectively voted in the new hampshire primaries last night. it's not really a good predictor of anything? after all, those are the people who really pay attention to politics. the people who vote in primaries. and november is likely going to come down to some 400 to 600,000 people who did not vote last night, but might vote in november. from people who don't follow politics that closely, who don't vote in primaries. and if we're being honest, probably don't watch a lot of cable news. and that is basically former obama speech writer john five rows theory of the case

nationwide. we know how to people who watch every night of the january 6th hearings are likely to vote we know how the people who think the 2020 election was stolen or likely to vote. what we don't know is how the people who haven't really been pain attention will vote, and even a still shot to vote at all. he's sending off across the country like this one to find out. >> how many of you plan on voting in the midterm elections this november? >> what is? that >> who is your member of congress, and you think they're doing a good job? >> i don't know anyone in congress, to be honest. >> does anyone know who their member of congress? this >> now. >> that's okay. >> joining us now is john favor of former speech writer for president obama he of course co-host of podcast positive --

but the history and future of the democratic party. john thank you for being with us tonight, and congratulations on when he such a successful focus group, i think. >> that was fun to listen, to have? people really excited about the midterms. >> yes, fun and shocking. we have been told we've been led to believe that we in the press and the american public, that the mythic swing voter is some white dude in a diner in the midwest. and i thought feel like you are work tears that mid apart. what have you found out in your travels across this great country about who swing voters actually are? >> that's one of the reasons why it did this series, the 81 million people that showed up to vote against donald trump in 2020, a very small percentage of them, as you mentioned, actually follow the news closely. most people who actually vote, don't have a pre-formed

political opinion, they're not super ideological, they're not super partisan. they pick between two candidates i want to do some of these people, i talk to black voters in canada, -- i talk to disengaged democrats in pittsburgh. that group is young voters in orange county, katie porter is actually the member of congress. they all voted for joe biden in 2020 but it don't know what they're gonna do in 2022. when you talk to these, voters is that the issues that they talk about the most is trying to make their rent, trying to own a home, the cost of gas and the cost of food. they've all talked about abortion, that came up a lot because all these folks groups were in the wake of the dobbs decision. so they talk about a horse series of issues, but issues that affect their lives. and i asked these groups what issue doesn't media cover too much, and what issues do they not talk about enough. and almost every group said january 6th, elections,

politics that all gets talked about way too much by politics in the media, and i was talking about housing, rent, food costs. so they feel disconnected from politics because they don't think politicians are speaking about the issues that matter most of them. >> listen, i'm guilty of talking a lot about january 6th, but not so much because jet necessarily a sensational story, but because none of it matters if we don't have a democracy that doesn't fundamentally function. you can't do anything about economic policy, student debt, or the climate if you don't have a representative democracy. are they aware of the existential threats to democracy is that something that even comes across the radar or really doesn't have to be so literally personal, that otherwise it doesn't make a dent. >> so their views of democracy and politics is the politics of some working. when i ask about views of the republican party, they do believe that republicans are very extreme, but they don't

necessarily see the existential threat to democracy because they are not listening to my podcast, they're not watching cable, so i do think that the if democrats want people to join in the project of saving democracy they have to prove to people that democracy is worse the saving and to do -- so i tweeted about these focus groups and everyone gets very frustrated, saying forget these voters, let's focus on registering new voters. you just had stacey abrams, on the work of registering new voters is talking to people just like this. people who don't pay much attention to politics, the younger, the more likely to be people of color, you have to really engage in difficult conversations to persuade people why they should get out of their house november, and actually go vote. >> you mentioned dobbs, and we can play all of that focus group, riveting though was. that is kind of a seismic shift, at least from this vantage

point in terms of democrats fortunes in november. it's something these voters, who really did not seem particularly concerned with other aspects of our democracy more definitely viscerally concerned about. did you feel like this is going to be a cadillac event for young voters. or is this going to draw them to the polls. i know i'm asking you a very big question for a limited sample size, but what was the feeling that you had when you talk to these guys about dobbs? >> i will just say that i did the first focus group right when the decision leaked, and then i did the last focus group in august. but every single focus group, without me prompting, them people brought up abortion. it was interesting, in virginia the focus group is people who voted for joe joe biden, and then voted for glenn youngkin in the gubernatorial elections. we went back to them after doses decided, and one woman who's undecided said that absolutely pushing to the democrats. that was just one sample but there is outrage about dobbs

from all of these voters but as you saw the challenge for even these young voters who heard about dogs and were pretty outraged by, it didn't even know for sure when imprint terms were, how to get their ballot, who is a member of congress. was that's a challenge and actually educating people about what they need to do to go vote. >> john fabric, former obama speech writer, focus group commander. season three of his podcast the wilderness is out there now, get it wherever you get your podcasts. thank you as always, john great to see you. >> thanks, alex. >> still ahead, january 6th, investigators receive a treasure trove of new text messages from the secret service. andrew weizmann, former fbi general counsel and former member of general counsel robert mueller's investigation joins me, stick around. stick around

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expected to resume the blockbuster public hearings. today we get a new sneak peek about how the committee can bring to the table the end of the month. today benny thompson committee members aloft are revealed that the panel has got a hold of thousands of exhibits from the secret service including text messages from january 5th and six. yes, those messages. the ones that we thought were intimacy in irrevocably loss.

the part on him before january six 2021. that those messages had been erased. it vanished in a three-month system migration. they said it was not related maliciously and was planned well before the watchdog preserve data. big if true. there is a criminal investigation of how these got erased and it is worth noting that the washington post previously reported that the staff at the watchdog office had planned to use a forensic data specialist to retrieve a lost message. the top watchdog shut that down. if you missed that part of the story here, it is again. when the senior forensic analyst took steps together the phones, cuffari's office told investigators to stop what they were doing. we don't know why but apparently they did.

we also the texas just from january six that could offer important insight with what happened with the president vice president as well. we've got those text messages were lost forever and gone. now the committee has -- they explain the magnitude of this new hall. >> there, text radio trackers all kinds of information. they are teams meetings. we are going through wars that are coming in. as i say some of it is not relevant some of it is and it is a huge thing to go through what we are going to go through. members of the committee themselves, we hope you have a completed soon. >> nothing is common they are aware of so far is in conflict with the public testimony presented by the committee

today? >> i have some concerns about documents and comparing some testimony we have received. we want to deal with the discrepancies as you perceive in an orderly way. >> discrepancies in testimony, what could that be? who doesn't implicate a notice to task. joining us now is a former fbi counsel former senior member at nyu law. thanks as always for being here tonight. >> it's nice to be here. >> this sounds like a lot of information in this committee has. it's not just texas messages, it's radio traffic, teams meetings. given a supposition about where this material may have originated from her house being

backyard at the stage in time? >> yeah, i used to be when i started out as a prosecutor if you obstructed justice and you destroyed paper copies that was it. it was gone. but now the laptops and computers and iphones, it is really hard to get rid of something or if someone is intentionally trying to get rid of something. there is a cloud system, if you send that message to somebody else you can find it on their system. so, there are also it's of ways that they could recreate what happened on january 6th, january 7th. the response to what they thought holden for all of these

documents. >> they seem to be really valuable correspondence. these are some of the biggest questions but what we had in january six. what was the truck doing, the phone logs are missing. what kind of danger was pensive? what role did the secret service playing getting him off the property and taking him to a secure location. that's our intention? what kind of correspondents was there at the white house, the president the secret service. was trump actually reaching over the back seat of his vehicle to try to stay or be taking to cassidy hutchinson. these are kind of key moments from january six that in theory could be revealed by this new evidence that we have. where the most pressing questions that you have in terms of the information of the committee has access to? >> so i think you laid out a lot of them but i think the key is that you can get testimony for all of that. we have to then make a

credibility judgment if you have a conflict as to what people remember and what people are saying so you definitely can still get witnesses. the reason prosecutors love emails and text messages and challenge and messenger chats is -- it's recording what people are seeing in doing at the time. key thing for the prosecutors in january six committee as well is anything that directly ties to what the former president was doing and what he was saying. so, as he mentioned to the intent to really want to go up to the capitol. not just inside, it backs to be there on site. what was his reaction? what was he saying with mike pence in his role? i think that relates to the

former president is gonna be really key for prosecutors and the january six committee. >> congressman suggests there is some discrepancies between documents and testimony. do you have open questions? doesn't ring alarm bells in your mind? ? >> it doesn't because as a prosecutor you financial differences are different people remember things differently. you see document and it refreshes your recollection. it really depends about the discrepancy is. there are other times where it's very black and white and you think yourself, how is a possible for somebody to forgot that. so for instance just to take an example on one side of the equation there when cassidy hutchinson said it's really not

-- a means that when she was told this, they did not accurately recount what happened. conversely if they had been representing that something didn't happen but they are on contemporaneous operation, i think that's a lot of people suspicion when they heard that certain peoples records that disappeared. of course, your eyebrows go up. so, it will really depend on what the facts are. >> andrew weizmann, former fbi counsel for a senior member of the mueller probe. thanks as always for your expertise tonight and you. >> we have one more story to get to tonight. it's one that could have major repercussions all across this country. stay with us. >> >> that sets strict quality and purity standards. nature made.

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