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good day, i'm chris jansing live at buckingham palace in london. the grief of the nation remains palpable here as millions await a funeral that will be watched by the entire world. those december displays of grief are visible far outside of london as well. key members of the royal family have spread throughout the country to greet mourners, doing as the queen herself did so often, her duty. the prince and princess of wales
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visited the queen where unusually unguarded william told one mourner how difficult it was to walk behind his grandmother's coffin yesterday. and the queen's daughter-in-law shared an emotional moment with a nonverbal young man in manchester. his mother explained the significance of that encount per. >> growing up with the queen, i think it's a nice day and a nice memory for both of us to twail see some of the royal family at this sad time. >> we are learning new details abts the funeral plans. on monday more than 2,000 people are expected at the state funeral in westminster abbey. queen elizabeth ii will be buried in the king george vi memorial chapel near her parents. there she will be reunited in death with her late husband, whose coffin will be moved from the royal vault to windsor. this is the scene right now as
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queen elizabeth ii's body is lying in state at westminster hall. lines of mourners have waited through the night in chilly weather, slowly moving forward, patiently waiting up to nine hours to make it into westminster hall. we will have much more on all of this in a moment. but first, we're following that major news back in the united states. the white house says they have averted a catastrophe, a tentative deal has been reached to avoid a rail strike that would have been disastrous for the american people, unending travel, supply chains, the economy and the biden administration with the midterms looming. as the labor secretary put it, a strike would have had catastrophic impacts on families across the country. here's president biden just a few hours ago in the rose garden. >> this agreement allows us to continue to rebuild a better america with ab economy that truly works for working people and their families. today is the win, and i mean
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this sincerely, a win for america. i want to thank you for getting this done, both business and labor. thank you, thank you, thank you. >> another win in a string of victory for the biden administration, this one after 20 straight hours of talks that went on into the night biden leaning on his wealth of experience to get a deal done. whether this will offset concerns about inflation is not clear. there's a new associated press poll showing biden's approval rating is up substantially. it's still underwater, but the 45% of people who now support the president is quite a stark recovery from july's low of 36%. for more on all of this, we're joined by jeff bennett, pbs news hour chief washington correspondent and an msnbc political contributor. president biden spoke about tireless efforts of the negotiators. what more can you tell us about how this deal came about and
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what's in it? >> reporter: it had been nearly three years of negotiating between the railroads and the unions. they consistently could not reach a deal with the main sticking point being quality of life. these workers wanted paid sick leave and at the very least, unpaid sick leave or the possibility ta they wouldn't be fired for taking an unexpected doctors appointment pit asked secretary walsh, why one specific issue took 20 hours to negotiate. he said that really getting down to the brass tax of the specifics and back and forth was quite difficult. the companies have been holding out because they have done so many layoffs in recent years. 45,000 workers cut from the industry in ts last five years. there's been worksers on standby and they really schedule them at a moment's notice. so there are some changes need ed in the industry, according to to some ceos who appeared on cnbc today. this deal is just the first step.
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>> does news this was this agreement send a message or is the message that the white house want to send government can actually work. yes, we're divided, but this is the latest in a string of victories for this administration. how are they going to message this besides the president going into the rose garden. >> in talking to officials who were connected to these talks, the sense of relief is really palpable. to your point, in politics, messaging and momentum account for a lot. one of the ways that we know this white house wanted due credit for this victory was the fact that president biden extended an oval office visit that's a huge sign of respect and the fact that the white house carved out time on the schedule today for this rose garden event where the president came out and delivered those remarks that we heard in the segment. and so on the momentum part of this, the poll that you showed where the president's approval rating jumped from 36% to 45%,
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this was a week where the white house tried to make the case while the biden administration is focused on solving problems big and small, republicans are focused on relitigating cultural issues. the president had the event honoring the passage of the inflation reduction act. if these talks had gone another way, it would have been catastrophic for the economy. $2 billion a day loss in revenue. it would have been catastrophic for this white house. it would have undermined the central premise of a biden presidency. which is that president biden with 50 years of experience in public life, both in the senate as vice president and now as president, he knew how to empower certain parties to bring about a teal like this. so yeah, this is a day where the white house wanted credit for this victory. not just for a political reason, but also for the economy as well.
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>> when jeff talks about this being catastrophic, is this less like dodging a bullet and kind of a dodging an oncoming freight train. how big a deal is this? how bad could it have been if this deal hadn't been reached? >> jason fehr man said this is as big and devastating a skrie sis as you could ask for in the economy if this were to have happened. the biden administration, there's a saying. you never get credit for the crises you avert, and they are trying to secret here. but they are also could still be risks. this is not a done deal. when you look at the chat boards for the workers who make up these unions who have voted down deals that their leadership have reached so far, they are not happy. they want to seat fine print. they are not sold just yet. and even though for now there's some tenants of this deal that would avoid a rail strike in the future, you still have negotiations with workers that are stalled.
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you have 15,000 nurses that have walked off the job. and the administration keeps talking bt how the job market is so hot, but moral is incredibly low. there's still nor work for the administration to do with these other unions still at their own bargaining tables. >> i want to bring in eugene robinson. i like that old saying that caleb brought up, which is you never get credit for the crises ewe avert. is she right about that and does this make a difference as we look ahead 53 days to the midterms? >> we're getting close. the administration is really trying hard to get credit for averting this crisis. and i think we will hear all day about how bad it would have been and now it won't be that bad. whether or not they get credit for it, they would have gotten
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blamed if there had been a strike, there had been this sort of $2 billion per day ongoing disaster happening to the economy, amtrak can semiing its trains and everything. it would have been a messy and entirely unwelcome situation for the white house going into the midterm elections. so first sight of relief. then let's try to get some credit for not having a disaster. >> also we don't talk about many cabinet members that often. maybe we talk about people because there's been a lot going on in transportation, but he also ran for president. but mardy walsh got a shoutout from the president. he's a former union member. i guess you could say with the unions, he talks their language. >> yeah, he talks their language
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and he a former may your, he has a way that's where the rubber hits the road in terms of getting stuff done. and pete buttigieg is a form may your. and that sort of experience is useful. directly with situations like this, where services have to be delivered and people are it's a disaster for people if those services are not delivered. and i think president biden would be right to give credit to both those cabinet members and to have relied on their experience at problem solving. that's what mayors do. >> i'm wondering as we look at these new ap numbers just months before the midterm elections in november. biden's approval rating up 9
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points from july's low. what are you hearing from folks at the white house? could it be a sign? i think that change is largely within democratic voters is there more optimism about turnout from democrats? >> that's certainly the case. it has to do with kitchen table economic issues. all of the many measures contained in the inflation reduction act. it's one of these things where success begets success. democrats on both sides of pennsylvania avenue are able to move forward with parts of the biden agenda and the white house is able to effectively message around that. they are able to make good on what was their central promise to the american people during the election. and you also have the fact that as president biden often says, elections are a matter of contrast. so what are republicans foektsed on right now at the moment? they are focused on what lindsey graham was trying to put
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forward, which was nationalizing abortion restrictions. this is a real resonant choice people have to make in the november elections. a lot of that is coming forward in the poll results. >> thank you to all of you. the next generation of royals viewing tributes to queen elizabeth ii as mourners pour in from around the world. with thousands more on the way for monday's funeral. i'll speak with a british diplomat who worked closely alongside the queen, next. and how millions are now turning to tv movies and art to try to learn more about the royal family. i'll speak with a celebrated photographer who created this iconic portrait, ahead. you're watching "chris jansing reports," live from london, only on msnbc. ( ♪♪ ) the most fun we have on the gator is just ripping around the property. it's a spring time tradition.
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back live in london. today the next generation of royals spent time viewing the tributes to queen elizabeth ii that now occupy vast swaths of london and also continue to grie growth by the day and sprung up in places of significance to the crown across the country. william and kate, now the prince and princess of wales viewing tributes. that yesterday walking hundred dollar his grandmother's coffin was so difficult. it reminded him of his mother's funeral. and mourners come to wait in the long line ups stretching across london. now the wait is at least eight hours. just to spend a few seconds passing by the queen's coffin. as the forward yan described it, some waited two days for this moment enduring rain, sun, security and officially cue jumping by mps. in a hush, they desended the steps of the 11th century hall
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to pay their last respects to the queen. many still wearing the yellow wristbands that mark their place in the queue. like these women who were number 352 and 353 in line. >> tough pinch yourself that you have actually lost her. >> we do. and i think another reason for coming is helping to come to terms with that. >> you saw and you had to accept that you saw it was finality. >> i want to bring in the former press secretary to queen elizabeth ii, james rosco. it's kind of you to join us. i wonder knowing her as well as you did, what she would make of this today. >> i think she would think it was quite a lot of fuss. but i the she would also be moved by i think a few things. first of all, the incredible dignity of the crowds that we have seen and the quiet reflectiveness of those crowds.
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and i think she would be incredibly touched that her services being acknowledged by the crowds in this way. i think the other thing she would like is that while this is happening in london in westminster hall, as you said, there are tributes all over the country. this was a morning that started in scotland and is happening all over the united kingdom. i think that would be important for her too. >> and around the world really. the cover of the sun today says we share your pain. it has this emotional image here. of prince william. you can see that. and there's that report that they share how hard this has been for him. they also took time to comfort one particularly upset mourner. what do you see when you watch the queen's grandson and future king in these days? >> i see someone who is mourning
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their grandmother. i think you see that in the throughout yesterday. but it's important to remember that for members of the royal family, the queen is both their grandmother in the case of the prince, but also their queen. and that is very important that there are those two sides to her. when you see the royal family, they will bow because they are acknowledging that role as well. i think the prince of wales, the queen was an incredible guide to him, an incredible unseparation in terms of how he want wanted to one day be king. i think he will feel that he's lost one of his guiding stars. >> major events can have a unifying effect. people pound by a shared experience. we're seeing that here with these people who have been waiting in line. some of them for days, the
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people at the front of the line now they are saying the line is at least eight hours just to spend those few seconds, to see the queen. bound to each other, many of them talking, developing relationships, exchanging phone numbers. but i wonder do you think it also binds them more strongly to the monarchy? is this having a unifying moment that will be helpful to the new king? >> i think absolutely. this isn't just about the queen, as we have seen in the last few days. this is about mourning the queen, but welcoming and acknowledging the new king. so i think there's that pendulum that swings consistently throughout these days between this mourning and the king going to the different part ofts united kingdom and speaking in the parliament. what a proclamation we saw earlier in the week. there's that wonderful sense of community, as you talked about. that's important as well.
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the queen has always been someone who united all parts of the united kingdom. and i think listening to people in a that queue, you heard people all across the country who made their way to dillon. it has that great unifying power as well. it's also incredibly personal. i remember standing in line for mothers lying in state. there's a very important moment, as that woman said earlier whrks you stand in front of the coffin and there's an acknowledgment. that's important. >> if i can ask you in our final minute, is there one memory that you have that you have shared with people that, to you, sort of encapsulates the queen for you? >> i have a very strong memory after the queen had been to the
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70th normandy commemorations in france in 2014, i have a very strong memory of speaking to her a few weeks later and asking her what she made of the ceremony on the beach. it was this grand performance commemorating and marking the d-day landings. and bringing in a way she hadn't really seen the commemoration. she'd almost been transferred back to that period in 1945 or 1944 when the d-day landings happened. she had been thinking of her friends that had landed on the beach on that day. and whether they'd ever come back. and it was that reminder that she was this incredible link back to that time. that her life really encapsulated so much history. and that history was also
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personal to her. it was a very striking conversation. >> incredible. james rosco, former press secretary to queen elizabeth ii, now the deputy head of mission at the british embassy. so kind of you to take the time. thank you. these past few days, we have seen up close the rich tradition of the royal monarchy, like this moment. the changing of the guard. it happens every 20 minutes at westminster hall. footsteps beating like a drum as they approach the queen lying in state. also earlier today, new details on the queen's funeral on monday. i want to bring in senior international correspondent keir simmons, who is in front of the house of parliament for us. walk us through what we're learning about the queen's funeral on monday. >> reporter: just to let you know, behind me there you were talking about lines of people to pay respects to the queen. you can see just behind me they
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are on the last part of that small journey, if you like, to pay their last respect. they are almost there to meet her majesty for the last time. and we have four days of this. and early in the morning on monday morning, that pa january try will end and the pomp and ceremony of the funeral of a monarch will begin. and it will be a ceremony unlike any seen in london since the death of her father. churchill had a state funeral too, but this is a long time now, the last century since we have seen anything like that. we do know something about what it will look like. the queen's mother laid in state at the palace of westminster and she, too, was carried to westminster abbey for her funeral. as the queen's body is taken
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into parliament square there, that statue of churchill will look down itself, but there will be so many moments like that. westminster abbey is where the queen's coronation took place. now on monday it will be the place where we keep saying a final good-bye, but this really will be a final farewell of a country to queen elizabeth ii. and then there will be about 2,000 guests there, but there will be more as she's taken along constitution hill and then taken on to windsor where there will be another service for around 800 there. so many echoes of history. where meghan and harry were married, you can say in this respect, more importantly, the place where the husband of her former husband was laid to rest
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just over a year ago. prince phillip, so that will be incredibly moving because she will be laid to rest there alongside her father and her mother, but also her late husband, a man that she described as her strength. >> we touched on this earlier. we saw prince william connecting with mourners earlier today, even telling one woman about how personally difficult yesterday was walking behind his grandmother's coffin. with memories of oiz own mother's funeral. take a listen. >> the walk was hard. >> it is so much an unguarded moment for him, both he and kate, i feel, have been very controlled through all of this. but very human to say that it was difficult. >> it's very human.
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it's also the legacy of his mom, princess diana, we all know the story, went to huge pains to ensure that her boys had a natural understanding of all of us. everyday folk, you could call us. she was very keen he was able to relate with people. i think when you catch a moment like that where he's being human, where he's sharing his emotions, it's not traditionally british, but it is something that the british people and people around the world, particularly there across the pond, will really warm to. and it just goes back to this same point. that these ceremonies are real people doing their duty, but also at the same time, facing real emotions. >> keir simmons, good to see you. thank you for that. and here in london, probably you know there's a lot of talk about king charles climate activism.
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simultaneously, the january 6th committee is preparing next steps in their investigation of deadly insurrection at the capitol. the committee chairman says that the committee is getting thousands of exhibits from secret service agents after that subpoena they sent to the agency in july. here's congresswoman lofgren on the growing pile of new material which includes texts, e-mails and radio traffic. >> there's now a very steady flow of data coming in to the committee. it's a huge amount. it takes a little bit to go through it all. >> i want to bring in capitol hill correspondent ali vitali. also with me is former federal and state prosecutor in new york tali weinstein. so ali you just got new reporting about how closely they will work with the justice department. what do you have for us? >> reporter: this is something that the committee had some preliminary engagement with the
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doj on what information they would be sharing and how they would be cooperating. but what multiple sources are telling me and my colleague just the last few minutes is that it's not likely that they will cooperate. the 6th committee will cooperate with the doj in terms of of releasing findings and information until at least after the hearings are over. that's after they cooperate at all. what our sources tell us in terms of the reasoning behind that is that we have all seen these hearings on tv. most of their findings are out there publicly. the doj has cited them in the past. nothing here happens in a vacuum. at the same time, there is a world in which having these transcripts from the committee to the doj could help the department of justice going forward in their investigations and in their grand juries. but it seems like at least at this point in the short-term, that's not something that's going to happen between the january 6th committee and the department of justice until at least the hearings are over. >> we know because they have said it, doj investigators as
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well as the attorney general are watching these hearings. is it the right call to wait? could the information be beneficial shl in furthering the investigation now. it may well be that it could. and all of this is to my mind quite unprecedented. and certainly it is usually the strong preference of prosecutors to have the first bite of the apple and to go first sometimes when a matter is the subject of both a civil investigation in proceeding in a criminal one at the same time. the criminal investigation has usually worked out to go first. so all of this is entirely new. i think that it may well put up some challenges to the doj going forward. but look, we have two branches of government here who have entirely different responsibilities.
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the justice department to deliver accountability for crimes a that may have been committed and for congress to really air out in front of the american people how the previous administration and others may have conducted themselves. so we're going to have to have to wait and see and in the order that congress has decided they are going to happen in. >> i also want to ask you about another story out there now. trump ally says fbi agents took his phone after he ordered from a hardee's drive-thru. he never had a government job, but he's entrenched in conservative politics. what does this tell you or does it tell us anything about the investigation? >> so we're talking about a person who has a pouzed theories
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about voter fraud in the last election. it tells us that the justice department is likely investigating whether there was some kind of obstruction that stemmed from those theories b it also tells us something else about the very challenging environment because i'm old enough to remember a time where if you where your premises were searched by the fbi or if they took your phone subject to a warrant by a judge, that means they convinced a judge they think that there is evidence of crime on that device, otherwise they wouldn't be able to open it up. the last thing you'd want to do is to have anybody know about it. both because it's embarrassing, but also because you would want your lawyers to be able to quietly negotiate with the
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government and maybe desuede the government from moving forward with whatever investigation it has. so this is just incredibly strange that people are self-reporting, that lindell himself wants us to know that this phone was taken. and this is a really treacherous way for them to proceed. it the creates disinformation that the justice department may have to combat, but for him as well, if you start to talk about the stuff publicly and lock yourself in to something that maybe incompatible with your best defense down the road, that could be a problem. certainly if i were his lawyer, i would tell him to cut it out. >> defense lawyers never crazy about that. thank you both. coming up, a new show of sol dare ty between vladimir putin and china's xi jinping as russia strikes back making it personal for ukraine's president. you're watching "chris jansing
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ukrainian president so lent skit's hometown is being pummelled by the russians. more missiles this struck after a barrage hit a key dam yesterday that flooded a city and forced people to evacuate. the latest attack comes days after a successful counteroffenive in the northeast. while this morning vladimir putin and xi jinping met in an effort to restrengthens. joining me is janis mackey fraiier. putin thanked xi for his balanced stance on the invasion of ukraine. what was he hoping to get out of this meeting? >> it's a crucial time for both sides, at odds with the west,
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both facing isolation. but vladimir putin had more at stake going into this meeting as he's looking to shore up chinese support. so when putin acknowledged that he was aware that china has questions and concerns about russia's war in ukraine, it was a rare admission that material support is unlikely to come from beijing and that beijing is unlikely to take a clearer position on the war. we know to this point that china has neither backed rusia's war nor has it condemned it. it doesn't mean that china/russia relations are any weaker, but they perhaps aren't any stronger. x jinping was speaking in generalizations. the read out of the meeting seemed somewhat detached. they talked about deepening trade ties and offering support for each other on core
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interests, which would include kraun cain and taiwan. but there wasn't the declaration of further support that vladimir putin may have been looking for. >> in the wake of the victory in sweden, "the new york times" has a headline that reads, quote, as europe tilts right, putin is heartened. how does putin benefit from that tilt? what could it mean potentially for future aid for ukraine from around the world. >> reporter: xi jinping and vladimir putin have struck this bond, this alliance because they have a common view. they see the west as a threat. they are against nato expansion. they have been full of criticism for the u.s. in what they say have been a u.s.-led campaign in ukraine. so putin would draw something from that, which was why he was looking for this strengthened
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support on the chinese side. already china has been buying more russian oil and gasp. it's been amplifying russian propaganda. russia has had diplomatic backing at the u.n. and there's been rhetorical support. but china has been very careful about straddling this divide, because it also does not want to lose access to western markets. it doesn't want to have anything it does to trigger secondary sanctions. x i jinping is also just weeks away from the communist party congress where he could secure an unprecedented third term in power. so in meeting putin, he wanted to shore up his foreign policy credentials and not take any risks. >> thank you so much. thousands continue to pour in until monday's funeral to say good-bye to the queen. for those who couldn't make it
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series. >> "the crown" 17.6 million hours viewed, launching the drama back up to number four on the platform's trending list in the u.s. for netflix. and the top ten in 26 other countries. the show's popularity even rising past the new season of "stranger things," imagining that the queen's life and love recapturing audiences once again. >> winston and churchill, who you are, you are the queen of england. >> beyond the royal's reign on streaming, movies inspired by her majesty are seeing viewership skyrocket too. >> you obviously know my job better than i do. >> well you are my tenth prime minister, mr. blair. my first of course was winston churchill. >> the oscar nominated film "the queen" breaking into i-tunes top 40 movie chart. music lovers are listening to songs about the queen as well.
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streaming numbers for the beatles "her majesty", and sex pistols "god save the queen" are up between 260 and 650%. our thanks to kelly cobiella for that report. now, on top of tv, and movies, and music, and books by the way, people are also turning to art. and we're very fortunate to have our next guest, the artist behind an iconic portrait of the queen, this work is called likeness and being. it is an acclaimed piece, created from sitting by the queen, portraying her in her crown, with her eyes closed. highly celebrated artist joins me now. so good to see you. i look at that and i see so many different things, but first, tell us, how did this even come to be? >> a lot of people are looking at this one, and i had two sitting with the majesty and it
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was commissioned originally, it was 800 years since france looked at the crown and they wanted to mark that. so the portrait in the castle, it is a holographic image, and so i used a series of cameras that took the different views from left to right and created a three dimensional portrait of the queen. >> i look at it, and i see a queen at rest, i see a queen caught in an unguarded moment, i see so many things, what did you want to portray? >> well, i think because with the eyes closed, it takes the image into a spiritual dimension. i shot the work when i was doing meditation, there was meditating, no more wars, there would be more compassion, and quite evangelical about it, actually. but i was very much looking at her breathing cycle, so the
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camera passed left to right 200 frames and timing the majesty's breathing and the time passed between the out-breath and then the next image and then the next breath. it took a while to reset the camera. and then there was a lot of light on her majesty that might have been uncomfortable so i asked if her she wanted to rest between poses and she closed her eyes and we caught the moment. >> remarkable. >> she is one of the most photographed women in the world. what was she like? how did you find her to be? >> well, first, i think things were quite tense and i was given a second sitting, that was never planned, and i think on the first day, really, it wasn't a time to have her par trait taken, there was a lot going on, george bush was staying in the palace, a lot of things going on in the press, and although we captured the image, i thought if
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i had it in another way, and lay down on the floor, and i said i had done it, hallelujah, but i looked down on the ground and one of her aides came back in her room and says her majesty enjoyed that and would like another sitting. so the second sitting was very different. very relaxed. and she you know, that's when the magic happened. you can see then i had the power of hindsight. i could look at what i had achieved in the first sitting, and i made quite subtle adjustments but it made all of the difference. but the week before the shoot, i got a call from andrew kelly, the queen's p. a. and dresser, a lovely lady and she asked me what i would like the queen to wear and up until that point, the queen will wear what she wants to wear, she is the queen of england, who am i tell her to what wear during the sitting, and i thought it was the crown, and nothing too or nate, i wanted one line, instead of
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three, and then i asked for a selection of capes, because i knew that by changing the cape, we could change the look very quickly without changing the camera angles and the 3d and the geometry was very specific. and she put on the garment, and it was it, i knew it was it. i felt i just channelled it. it was like a magical lever. >> an extraordinary portrait, chris levine, thank you so much for being with us. and that's going to do it for us this hour in london. make sure to join us for chris jansing reports, katy tur reports starts next. ♪ we believe there's an innovator in all of us. ♪ that's why we build technology that makes it possible for every business... and every person...
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