tiger williams, thank you so much for making time with us, it is called model america, it premiers sunday night right here on msnbc. it is also streaming now on peacock. you can check it out if you have peacock. that is all in for this week, alex wagner tonight starts right now. good evening alex. al>> good evening, chris. it sounds really great. i have heard nothing but very positive reviews. >> awesome. >> have a great weekend. >> you too. >> thank you all for joining us this hour. negative seven degrees celsius. that is how cold it gets on the border of belarus and poland in the month of february. that is about 19 degrees fahrenheit below freezing. that is the low. the high is a bombing 30 degrees fahrenheit. negative one degrees celsius. still below the freezing point. that is why it looked like this on poland's bowler border with belarus in february, when a 24-year-old refugee arrived

there. he got stuck there on the border between the two countries and a frozen forest lined with barbed wire, because he tried to cross the border from belarus into poland. and neither country would take him. his experience is the same as tens of thousands of migrants in country is experiencing war and violence like sudan, iraq, syria, and yemen. that is because the leader of belarus, alexandra lukashenko, has been using tens of thousands of black and brown migrants as pawns since 2021. he has invited tens of thousands of migrants from the middle east to belarus only to then redirect them to the polish bolder, there by manufacturing a migrant crisis. thousands of these people were trump at the border. more than a dozen bodies have been found. likely frozen to death. lukashenko did this, he harmed all of these people, to make a political point. to stick it to the european union that bastion of elite

globalists. he had telegraphed it for years. he warned the eu. fox reports, quote, every time the eu criticize him, every time the west criticize him, he reiterated the same kind of argument. you do not appreciate me, i am defending you from the illegal migrants, i am defending you from the drug trafficking, i am guarding your eastern border and you are not grateful. so, when the eu sanctioned him for his fraudulent 2020 presidential election, lukashenko used migrants as pawns to make a statement. with no regard for the actual humanity of the people he was using in this twisted scheme. it is a similar playbook to the heart of turkey's president, erdogan, who has brought thousands of migrants to turkey's border with greece the thumb his nose at the eu. or hungary's victor who campaigned on forcing migrants back into serbia. the autocrats playbook is this, human beings, especially black and brown human beings can be very effectively, and explicitly used as pawns to

make a political point. to own the elites, to own the globalists. does that remind you of anything else? maybe something we are seeing here on the state level in the united states? on wednesday, florida governor ron desantis became the third governor to use taxpayer dollars to transport migrants and asylum seekers from republican states to liberal cities like new york, and d.c., and chicago, to really stick it to biden and the liberal elites and their cities that already enjoy large diverse immigrant populations. to make some kind of point, the sentence sent nearly 50 migrants on planes to martha's vineyard without informing any local authorities that planeloads of people who would need housing, food, and care, were on their way. he did alert fox news, though. and he hired a videographer. and by the way, these migrants were lured there from san antonio, texas. not florida. the plane made a pit stop in florida, though, on the way to martha's vineyard. the migrants were misled with false promises of expedited

work, and jobs, and housing, and other services. some were reportedly offered a 50-dollar gift card. some were lied to about where exactly they were even going, and what to expect when they actually arrived. one migrants that a woman named parlor actually paid him too phil the flight to martha's vineyard. at least one migrant told nbc she thought she was being flown to boston. as of today, migrants who wanted to go to the mainland for housing, which martha's vineyard does not have much of, they have arrived at a military base on cape cod thanks to the governor of massachusetts. in a statement today, florida's communication director tells us quote, florida's program 60 identify illegal immigrants at the southern border who have been processed by the feds and connect them voluntarily with opportunities to reach sanctuary destinations and high while the areas that supported biden's open border policies, welcome immigrants, and how significant resources to care for these individuals. now that the entire country is talking about this shameful political stunt, that is what

florida is saying publicly. doug this whole program is just a useful voluntary opportunity to move people to more welcoming places, nothing to see here. but here is what governor desantis said privately last week to a roomful of top republican donors. the washington post reports that in a 51 minute speech she told hundreds of donors, quote, i do have this money. i want to be helpful. maybe we will go to texas and help. maybe we will send to chicago, hollywood, martha's vineyard. who knows? the remarks were full of grievance, and harping on culture wars, and claims that the lives have been, quote, winning this fight, making republicans and people like desantis look like second class citizens. he went on to say, quote, we are not just arguing about tax rates. we are not just arguing about normal policies. you know, we are arguing about whether people that descend from leftist ideology should have any voice in our government, in society at all. of liberals, desantis said, they have been winning this fight for i would say the last five or ten years. all of the grievance, all of the vengeance, it sure sounds a

lot like the junko. this plan in the u.s. was planned up in 2019 by the most grievance-filled anti-immigrant politicians of them all. former white house immigration advisor, stephen miller, and his patron, president donald trump. quote, the trump administration led by immigration advisor stephen miller originally floated such a plan, but concerns within immigrations and customs enforcement led them to scuttle the idea which got considerable backlash at the time. so, to be clear, even the trump administration did not implement this cruel, and unusual plan. not for moral reasons, per se, but because it was risky. still, the administration that brought to you family separation of the border predicted this plan would be riddled with problems. but somehow, some way, governor ron desantis of florida did not. joining us now is susan church, she is an attorney in massachusetts who has on the

day today with some of the venezuelan migrants who have been victims of governor desantis's plan. this mrs. church, thank you so much for joining us tonight. >> thank you so much for having me. >> so, can you tell us what the current status of this migrants is? where they are, what resources are being allocated to them, and what their state of mind is? >> so, they have been moved from martha's vineyard to the otis air force base. they were a little scared to get on the bus today after what had already happened to them with governor desantis. but with the help of some immigration lawyers who are on the team, they were convinced to go. they were voluntarily. they were really confused, and they don't know why this has happened to them. i read reports, and have talked to many of these individuals, and they are just wondering why the world is doing this to them. really, why the governor of florida is doing this to them.

they are hoping that they can get their status straightened out, they're hoping that they could get their lives straightened out, they are all fleeing terror in their home countries. now, they are facing the same sort of terror here, and they're hoping it ends soon. >> what of their immigration status, i think a lot, if not all of these folks were in the process of having scheduled hearings. those hearings, i am assuming, are nowhere near boston? how is this affecting their immigration status in their court proceedings? >> so, everyone here is someone who has been -- everyone that i have seen so far was paroled, which is a lawful status that then allows you to seek asylum, or other forms of relief in immigration court. the courts are scattered everywhere. there are people with courts in utah, texas, california, i have seen them everywhere. people who were lied to, by the way, about where they were going. many people have asked for different locations, and thought that that is where they were going. it is very confusing to their

immigration status because it really takes a lawyer to move a case from utah to boston, which is now where their case has to be heard. there is another problem with trying to check in with ice. they all had scheduled ice chickens with different locations. we are trying to relocate those and get those set up so they are all located in massachusetts. it is really not something that you can handle without the help of an attorney. this has many people who have volunteered to do so. >> could they be considered victims of a crime appropriate to aided by governor desantis here? could this be kidnapping? it does not sound like it is human trafficking, but the misleading nature of all of this, could that enter and actually favorably affect their immigration application? >> i am very happy you asked that. because i do think a crime has been committed. let's start with, i won't go through all of them, kidnapping. kidnapping is not an allegation of force. it can be done with an allegation of fraud. clearly, they were fraudulently

put on to the plane, confined, dropped off at martha's vineyard, i think kidnapping has some strong investigatory aspects that need to be taken on that. rico, the racketeering and corruption act. that requires two predicate act involving certain crimes. this sounds like we have got some large-scale cooperation between desantis, and governor abbott, whoever bought the planes is involved, there is a rico charge. massachusetts has its own civil rights statute that also has significant ramifications for a place like this. so there is a lot to be looked at and a lot to be investigated here. >> and if they are victims of a crime, they could be eligible for something called the you visa, is that right? >> that is correct. even better than that. the eu visa is a document that local law enforcement agency, at any of our local massachusetts law enforcement agencies can investigate a crime, and then they sign a certification, and that is filed with immigration. it takes a long time to get a

visa. but most of these individuals, from what i am seeing, would be eligible for a you visa as long as we got the certification. even better than that, in massachusetts we are one of the very limited jurisdictions where a pending you visa is essentially issued by the first circuit, a decision saying you cannot deport somebody while they have a uv that pending. even though you view that might take seven years, they cannot be removed from the country. whereas other people in similar jurisdictions would be removed while awaiting their uv sent to be processed. so, they have removed the individuals to one of the very few jurisdictions in the country where they will be protected by their criminal acts of desantis and governor abbott. >> amazing. the thoughtlessness, the thoughtlessness, the cruelty, it is backfiring in spectacular fashion. susan church, immigration attorney in massachusetts, thank you so much for your time and for everything you are doing. >> thank you. >> now i want to bring in nikki

freed, as florida's commission of consumer services, she is a member of governor desantis's cabinet and the only statewide elected democrat in the state of florida. she is calling on attorney general merrick garland to investigate florida's governor over this political stunt, and that is a euphemism. commissioner, thank you so much for joining us tonight. >> thank you for having me tonight, alex. >> how is this playing in florida? on one hand, the entire nation is aware of ron desantis and his plot, and what he has done, and how it isn't sometimes backfiring. but he is doing this for a very specific audience. he is in the middle of a reelection campaign. is it playing out the way he wants to among florida republicans? >> no. this is backfiring on him. i mean, look. in the state of florida, we have some of the most diverse population. individuals that have left venezuela, columbia, cuba, to come to florida and america for political freedom. they are leaving this oppressive regimes. and they have come to florida. now they are watching their

governor do something that is just so inhumane, taking venezuelans, and taking them to another state for political employees. this is backfiring on him. you are seeing individuals from both sides of the aisle, democrats, republicans that are just outraged at this political ploy that has been now unfolding in front of the nation's eyes. but unfortunately, in florida, we see these kinds of tactics from this governor every single day. it is unfortunate now that we have 50 individuals lives that are part of this ploy that the governor is playing out. >> yes. some of his socially hard-line policies have not heard him as much in conservative republican, and even some immigrant groups. but this is directly attacking immigrants. florida is home to i think 20% of florida ram residents are immigrants. a lot of them have not reacted to this well. i think at one point the lieutenant governor had to reassure the cuban community that this will not happen to

cuban immigrants, is that right? >> no, actually, it is not. about three weeks ago, the lieutenant governor who is of cuban descent actually went on, i think it was fox, one national network and basically said something very similar. that governor desantis was going to bus cuban exiles from florida up to delaware, biden's home state. this is a game that both the lieutenant governor, and this governor are playing out with the lives on the line. and there was outrage. both from the democratic's, but also from cuban americans, and cuban floridians who were seeing that this cruelty, individuals who are either first generation, they themselves may have been coming over from cuba over the years leaving a fidel castro communist regime of cuba, coming for a better way of life, for freedom here in the united states, and now to see that their lieutenant governor and their governor are using them as you said earlier today, as

pawns in this scheme that they are playing out. we know what this is all about. let's be realistic, here. rhonda sentences running for president in 2024. that is not, you know, everyone knows that that is what is happening here today. and now he is using not only these individuals, he is using florida taxpayer dollars, money that was put into the budget to do something like this. a political stunt. and he didn't did the same thing last year. he spent 1.6 billion dollars last year sending our national guard and law enforcement over to the border in texas. again, for the political, you know, picture. for that photo op. and this is what he is doing. so what this is doing here in the state of florida is outraging everybody. from the immigrant community, to those on the conservative right, democrats, independents, and i think that he has been playing with fire. he has been flying too close to the sun. and we all know the ending of that story.

he is going to get burned. this is another one of his tactics that is backfiring on him. >> just to be clear, it sounds like the lieutenant governor had to backtrack those comments that you referenced saying it was a general discussion about illegal immigration, not targeted at cuban migrants that are not fleeing a regime. the fact that they are in this position now where they have to clarify which immigrants they are seeking to punish in a political ploy seems like bad politics. you are calling on attorney general merrick garland to get involved. what would you like to see the doj do here? >> you know, i think that from the immigration lawyers previously, there is a lot of federal laws that are in place. whether it is human trafficking, whether it is rico, whether it is smuggling, or kidnapping, this is an opportunity for the department of justice to take a real heavy look. because no one is above the law. not ron desantis, not greg abbott, and certainly not donald trump. so for them to be using these tactics, using taxpayer dollars, moving individuals across state lines, not only interfering

with their own immigration status, and their own immigration hearings, but playing with individuals lives. this is an opportunity for the department of justice to be coming in, to unravel what exactly has happened here. there is a lot of conversation about how these individuals were located, what kind of conversations were happening with them to lure them onto these planes, what in formation was actually induced to get them into the plains. unfortunately, there is no trust here in the state of florida that if we were asking for an actual internal investigation here in the state, we would never get it here in the state of florida. i have asked for similar types of investigations when the governor just three weeks ago did something similar to 20 individuals that he came down to south florida, had 20 individuals arrested for illegally voting in the 2020 election, even though it was his secretary of state, his state department that authorized their eligibility to vote. so i have asked for an internal investigation into those

actions, and what happened there. i know that i am never going to get an answer to my call for a report in florida. so the department of justice has an obligation right now to take a look at these actions, make the connections between what is happening with not only florida, but texas. who was involved in these communications, who paid for what, who knew of what, and this is really something that we need the department of justice to act on, and act on quickly. >> the department of justice, once again being called to the state of florida. i will refrain from comment there. thank you so much for your time. >> thank you for having me. >> ahead, breaking news in the mar-a-lago documents case, the justice department appeals to the 11th circuit to stay part of a florida judge's order denying them access to classified documents. and comes amid new reports of lying, in trump world, about those boxes of classified documents which were of course straightaway at mar-a-lago. who lied, what they said, and with the justice department is doing about it, that is next. is next

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>> we have breaking news tonight. this just in, the justice department has officially asked an appeals court to stay, or to block part of trump appointed judge aileen cannon's ruling granting trump's request for a

special master to seize records from trump's club. in their motion, the justice department is specifically asking the 11th circuit court of appeals to hold the special master from reviewing the 100 classified documents, that is a small subset of the roughly 11,000 government records. because they are going to conduct -- they are conducting an ongoing criminal investigation and intelligence assessment. that is how the doj stay request begins. quote, the district court has entered an unprecedented order and joining the executive branch's use of its own highly classified records in a criminal investigation with direct implications for national security. the adept government continues, quote, trump has identified no cognizable harm from merely allowing criminal investigators to continue to review and use the same subset of the seized records. the justice department does not hold back in this filing, quote, trump's only possible injury is the government's investigation that that injury is not legally cognizable. trump's only possible injury,

injury and quotes there, is the government's investigation. mike drop. we have been expecting to justice department to go to the appeals court after judge canada night is for quest to carve out an exception to her ruling. that would be, again to exempt the roughly 100,000 classified documents seized from mar-a-lago from the special master's review. so that does not exactly come as a surprise. and it should be an easy case for the doj. the law on who owns presidential records and executive privilege is on the doj's side. nonetheless, the doj has an uphill battle here. there are 11 active judges on the 11th circuit court of appeals. trump appointed six of those judges. but at this point, who knows? anything could happen. for more on this breaking news i want to bring in by phone, neil katyal, former solicitor general during the obama administration. and that role, neil approved and took charge of all of the government's appeals. neil, thank you for joining on such short nor this. your reaction to this -- it is not a full appeal, it is

the request for a stay. what is a meaningful difference, there is there, when and where in the game are we? >> thank you, alex. some appeals can write themselves. this one does. because judge cannon's decision yesterday, i think it is probably the worst, single most atrocious decision i have ever read, that is saying a lot. the department i think had a choice of how much do they want to appeal, and how much do they want to go up on an emergency state, which is a temporary pause on the ruling? and what they did is they said, the most important part, they are going to go and seek emergency relief from the court of appeal. that is the 100 or so very sensitive national security documents. the department is pretty clear, the entire order by judge cannon is, in legal terms, -- they're not appealing the whole legal order, they are just appealing the really bad part of these documents. they say the criminal

investigation will be hampered, this judge is literally saying you cannot use these documents in the criminal prosecution. they are saying the national security reviewed is going to be hampered because you need criminal investigators to do that. you can't -- the cia does not operate on the united states soil, so you need fbi agents. most importantly, this is what you are saying a moment ago, this is highly sensitive national security documents. there is no claim whatsoever that donald trump owns these documents. zero. every day of the week. >> yeah. we repeated it twice, because it is very strong language in this. trump's only possible injury is the governments investigation. but that injury is not legally cognizable. that doesn't seem up for much dispute. what is your expectation here in terms of the 11th circuit agreeing with the department of justice on this? >> i can't imagine that the

11th circuit will disagree. i think the department is an incredibly strong footing. i don't think people can really even disagree much about the whole special master ruling by her. remember, it was bill barr, trump's attorney general who said that this special masters was a crock of s-word and that is why i am -- it was like a crock of a crock of something. it will be quickly decided, alex. expect the 11th circuit court of appeals to ask trump's lawyers to respond by monday. or possibly tuesday, to have a quick ruling thereafter. this should not take much time. donald trump could resurrect daniel red webster, the greatest supreme court advocate in the united states history, and it wouldn't matter. he has got no argument. no real argument for these hundred documents. yes barely an argument on the

special master thing as a whole. i do expect the 11th circuit to do the right thing here. i mean, after all, what judge cannon said yesterday, donald trump is different. he is special. because he is a former president. he gets privileges that literally no one else gets. and there has not been another case in the history of this country and which someone has gotten the kind of privilege that judge cannon gave to him, and gave to him because he is a former president. you know, in america we do not have two systems of justice, one for the president and one for everyone else. so, the 11th circuit, the case for it is very good. the justice department will find its way to cite an opinion, and the former chief judge of the 11th circuit says, you know, [inaudible] stopping in trying to prevent documents from being used in a criminal investigation. >> former u.s. acting solicitor general, thank you so much for your expertise joining us at

this last minute late night breaking news. much appreciated, neil. joining us now is david rohde, executive editor of the new yorker.com. david, thank you for being here. i want to follow on what neil was saying, that judge cannons ruling was the single most atrocious trail decision i have ever read. and the hope, of course, is that the 11th circuit court of appeals agrees with that. but the reality is that we are in a moment in american politics or we have to look at who appointed judges, as an indicator of what they might do. and there are six trump appointed judges sitting on the 11th circuit court of appeals. i find it distressing that the appointment, the presidential appointment matters so very much. but cannon has showed us a new side of the judiciary that should be distressing to anybody. and you have written about this. how are you looking at this moment? >> it is unprecedented. it is a deeply disappointing ruling, you know, that she came out with yesterday. i want to point out the

positive part here, which is that the judiciary was actually the branch of government that fought trump the most in 2020. more than 80 judges, 80 state and federal judges flat out rejected his claims of election fraud. this was the key period in november, and december. nearly half of them were republican appointed judges, and some of them were trump appointed judges. so, it was vital, it was a great moment for democracy, you know. one judiciary branch holding back an out of control president. what has happened with judge cannon has turned out all on his head. so i am hoping that these judges, that the appellate court, this trump appointee, will do the right thing as other trump appointees did as well. and again, the special master, he was appointed by ronald reagan. so it is possible. but this shows the kind of slow, corrosive effect of trump just pressuring judges. wanting everyone to be political, and everyone to be loyal to him. >> yes. and one would hope that the humiliation of, you know, acting solicitor generals, the

11th circuit court of appeals, everyone else would have a cooling effect on judges that one model themselves in judge cannon's image. but you have to wonder whether it will. there are other young judges that trump has appointed who have made other rulings that have been similarly beneficial for the trump administration, whether it is mask mandates, and alike. i sort of wonder if there is a panel of to what happened in the legislative branch. you have the single outliers, people who seem like fringe candidates and what we have seen, we see it right now heading into november, is that it is a virus. it affects, and infects a much larger swath of the conservative movement that i think any of us dared to think possible. >> yeah. it is sort of this alternate reality thing. this whole different world. what was so disturbing about judge cannon's ruling yesterday was that she was almost echoing trump's, sort of, worldview. she said you can't trust the doj. there has been these media leaks, i don't know exactly what she is referring to, and she said, as neil talked about,

that a former president deserves these special considerations under the law, which is just un-american, fundamentally un-american. i mean, throughout this appeal, they cite richard an extension. which is that no one is above the law in this country. the presidential records act, which is the government documents that belong to the people, and this very narrow appeal is for documents that are marked classified belong to the government. they don't belong to donald trump. >> and the idea that she casts doubt on the government's assertion that these are classified documents, after a season in which trump and his lawyers have lied, obviously skated, misinformed on every count imaginable for a year. the suggestion is that it is the department of justice that we might not trust, quote, even-handed procedure does not demand unquestioning trust in the determinations of the department of justice. we have photographs of these folders that have the words top secret and classified on them!

>> i agree with you. what i guess is so disturbing, it is very disturbing as a federal judge, but this is again how divided we are. my worry is that he saw the judicial branch stood up to him. he complained throughout his pregnancy when there would be these judges that would rule against him on immigration, and he dismissed them as obama judges. so he wants the public to think, these are not neutral arbiters, they are just loyal to whatever president puts them together. and my fear, i do think he will run in 2024, and i think it is a victor, or a authoritarian leader, you kind of discredit the judiciary. you discredit arrivals source of power overtime, and if, let's say 2024 disputed election, and judges do the right thing and they rule against trump, he will have discredited them in the eyes of the country. >> by the way, it works both ways. a lot of people do at what judge can and say and can we really trust the courts anymore? the institutional atrophy is uniform.

david rohde, executive editor of the new yorker.com, thank you for being here tonight, david. >> thank you. >> still ahead, new hampshire's republican senate nominee has been one of the country's staunchest election deniers. but something caused him to have a change of heart this week. that story is straight ahead, stay with us. with us when you really need to sleep. you reach for the really good stuff. zzzquil ultra helps you sleep better and longer when you need it most. its non-habit forming and powered by the makers of nyquil. so we need something super disctintive. dad's work, meet daughter's playtime. wait 'till you hear this— thankfully, meta portal helps reduce background noise. zero lace model.

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other generals, and admiral saying that trump won the election and i stand by my [inaudible]. [applause] i am not switching horses, baby! this is it. >> that was general don bold look in a debate ensuring that he believed the 2020 election was stolen. trump won, biden lost, that is how we saw it, and he is not switching horses, baby. then this tuesday happened. general bullock won the republican primary and new hampshire to face off with democratic incumbent senator maggie hassan. on thursday, thursday, he made one of the sharpest returns in political history. here he is on fox just two days after winning that primary. >> one of the things that maggie hassan, the senate incumbent will say is that you are an election denier, that you deny that president biden won the 2020 election, and there is this from august 14th when you had the debate, watch

here. >> i signed a letter with 120 other generals and admirals saying that trump won the election, and i stand by it. >> do you stand by that today? >> so, you know, we live and learn, right? i have done a lot of research on this, and i have spent the past couple of weeks talking to granite state or's all over the state from every party, and i have come to the conclusion, i want to be definitive on this, the election was not stolen. elections have consequences, and unfortunately, president biden is the legitimate president of this country. >> so we live and learn, right? i mean, my lord, talk about switching horses midstream, baby. but as transparent of a ruse as this is, it is also strategic. new polling by emerson college

conducted the day after bullet when the primary shows that senator hassan leads bolded by 11 point statewide. bullock knows that what worked in the primary won't work in the general, so he is toning it down. he is at least pretending to switch horses on issues like respecting the results of the 2020 election, in an attempt to appear more moderate. and in a truly, amazing case of production, bullet and the conservative groups supporting him are accusing senator hassan of exactly the thing that bullet is doing. they are claiming that she is a radical liberal pretending to be a moderate. yes, really. they are trying to paint maggie hassan as a wolf in sheep's clothing, watch. >> maggie hassan claims she is independent. >> i am taking on members of my own party. >> she is trying to trick you, because has some votes with joe biden over 96% of the time. >> she is trying to trick you? as ridiculous as this is, there is also the danger that with enough advertising dollars, and

blanket denials, bold looks trick may work. he could convince enough voters to see him as a moderate, and that could be enough to sway the election, and if new hampshire seats switches parties, so does the control of the u.s. senate. senator hassan only won her last election by 1000 votes. so each and every one of them counts. joining us now, is senator maggie hassan herself of the great state of new hampshire. senator hassan, thank you for being with us. >> thank you so much for having me, alex. >> so, first of all, jen adorable looks as he has been talking to residents, people across the granite state, and he is determined the 2020 election wasn't stolen. who has even talking to? as we've been talking to you? is this strategy going to work? >> look, on issue after issue, don bullock is incredibly extreme, whether it is election denial, or whether it is his support for national abortion ban. he is trying to mislead it granite state or's, and really

hide his extreme record. the thing is, new hampshire voters are some of the most informed in the country and the fact that he can get away with this, that he is trying to do, it is not only really concerning, it is very disrespectful to my constituents. >> does that also call attention to, i mean, his desire to paint you as a turncoat, as a liar, as a wolf in sheep's clothing, i mean, i'm not going to comment on the actual essence of that. but does it not risk pointing the arrow back to himself as someone who is literally making a giant u-turn on a very, very big election issue that he campaigned on in the primary? >> he is clearly trying to mislead voters. and granite staters we'll see through this. his record is really clear. just in august, twice on the debate stage, he believed the election was stolen.

he has been traveling around the state for over a year, stoking the big lie. and he is also open to abolishing the fbi, said he would defund homeland security, and would eliminate social security. not to mention support a nationwide abortion ban. so i will be contrasting his extreme record with my record of delivering results, including the fact that i have been ranked the most bipartisan senator in the united states, because i follow the example of the people of granite state. we come together, and we get things done. we value our opinions and our disagreements, and our right to have them. but we also like to move forward and get things done. so there is a real contrast in this race. but one of the earlier point you made, don bottle is very, very extreme, as you have pointed out. but tonight, he is in sea island, georgia, with a bunch of big money donors for

republicans hanging out with doctor oz, and herschel walker. so the republicans are rallying around him. they are projected to be spending tens of millions of dollars in the next seven weeks in this election. this is going to be a really, really close race. we are, as we see up here, wicked independent in new hampshire. and voters expect us to make their case, our case every single time to earn their vote. so i just also would encourage your viewers, if you want to get involved, to go to mackie hasn't.com. >> the idea of herschel walker, mehmet oz, and don bolduc being in a room together is the beginning of, some kind of -- i know there is a joke somewhere that begins with that scenario. i would not comment further on that except to say that i do want to ask you about abortion. there is a back and forth in the republican party over leaning it to the states or a federal ban. what about the democrats, though? i know you have said that you would like to codify roe into law. if you are reelected to the u.s. senate, manchin and sinema have said that they will not support a filibuster? how do you codify roe without

breaking the filibuster? and effectively establishing a carve out we are and you can enshrines wrote to law and override the filibuster, if you would? >> i want to be really clear here. people all over new hampshire are horrified by the prospect of a nationwide abortion ban. don bolduc supports one. he said we should rejoice at the overturning of roe v. wade. i can assure you that the women of new hampshire are not rejoicing. we are horrified. but i think it is really important now, us moving forward, that people now understand that now that row has fallen, the republicans are pursuing their ultimate goal, which is a nationwide abortion ban. it is something that mcconnell has been after for decades. it's something that mccarthy supports. mike pence has called on people to continue to work on that and then we saw lindsey graham introduced legislation to

introduce enacted nationwide abortion ban. so, the focus needs to be, and people need to understand that what is at stake in november's and nationwide abortion ban. we should not let any republican candidate, including don bolduc, fool anybody about their ultimate position. don bolduc i said he would always vote for yes for any anti choice legislation and has said that new hampshire has recently enacted abortion ban does not go far enough. so, that is what it is on the table right now. i just spent time with a woman tonight -- in new hampshire -- are young mom, who said that she is never been involved in politics before but the overturning of roe v. wade roe v. wade and the fact that her young daughter will have fewer rights than she has had -- >> you think you can deliver for that young mom as far as enshrining roe into law? >> i think the focus now has to be on keeping the senate majority with the democrats that we do not see a nationwide

abortion ban. and then i hope we can expand our senate majority. and i would love to see some bipartisanship here to protect this fundamental freedom of women. one of the things that just kind of astonishes me is that we have people like don bolduc running for office, saying they want to represent the state of new hampshire in the united states senate when they would take away the rights of half of our population, pulling us back to being second-class citizens. >> maggie hassan, senator from the great state of new hampshire. thank you for your time tonight. >> thanks so much, alex, be safe. >> more to come tonight, stay with us. with us. welcome to my digestive system. it's pretty calm in here with align probiotic.

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